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Maddow mocks Tancredo's comparison of NCLR to KKK

May 29, 2009 10:36 am ET

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    • Author by twseattle (May 29, 2009 10:45 am ET)
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      Wasn't that Rick Sanchez he was making that comment to?
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    • Author by wzwriter (May 29, 2009 10:45 am ET)
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      Using Tancredo's "logic", NCLR has one-third more initials than KKK - therefore, it must be one-third more evil.

      :-)
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      • Author by budrykzp9226 (May 29, 2009 11:15 am ET)
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        Well, given Tom's likely feelings on the KKK, one-third times nothing is nothing.
        Who wants to take bets on when Tancredo tries to tell some befuddled host the Klan was only set up to "protect the women"?
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        • Author by magnolialover (May 29, 2009 12:58 pm ET)
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          Tancredo has some ties back to Klan members.
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          • Author by fairliberal (May 29, 2009 5:05 pm ET)
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            I know that there are democrats with klan ties but am not aware of Tancredo's ties to them, can you support that statement?
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            • Author by jibal (May 30, 2009 9:19 pm ET)
                 
              You're not fooling anyone with that "fairliberal" act; a real liberal wouldn't bother with the redundant characterization.

              It's irrelevant whether Tancredo has ties to the Klan; he himself is a racist thug, unlike, say, Robert Byrd.
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    • Author by Lazlo P. Hollyfeld (May 29, 2009 10:54 am ET)
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      Well, Tancredo just lost his Klan support (I doubt they appreciate the comparison). Also, "Por La Raza todo, Fuera de La Raza nada" is the motto of MEchA.
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      • Author by budrykzp9226 (May 29, 2009 11:06 am ET)
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        I guess when you're the type of person who thinks all Hispanics are Mexican, you also start thinking all Hispanic organizations are NCLR.
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        • Author by jibal (May 30, 2009 9:28 pm ET)
             
          From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Council_of_La_Raza


          NCLR responded to Norwood's conditions apology in a point-by-point press release defending its policies, which it claims have never been racially or ethnically exclusionary, never supported and does not endorse the notion of a “Reconquista” or “Aztlán,” has never used, and unequivocally rejects, the motto “Por La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada" ...
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    • Author by budrykzp9226 (May 29, 2009 10:55 am ET)
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      It's Tancredo. He could probably get away with saying he meant it as a compliment.
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      • Author by snoopy (May 29, 2009 10:58 am ET)
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        Sorry, but I'll just stick with Tancredo is a racist. It's less nuanced...
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    • Author by wzwriter (May 29, 2009 11:15 am ET)
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      If Tancredo really wanted a fact-filled pers[-ective on this issue, he should have asked the undocumented Mexican workers he had refurbishing his basement a few years ago...
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    • Author by nerzog (May 29, 2009 11:29 am ET)
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      I was wondering where he came up with "All for the Race, none for the rest" as their "logo".

      I think it may be at this link:

      www.tancredosbutt.com
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    • Author by latanza (May 29, 2009 12:15 pm ET)
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      Rachel was good last night in her broadcast and exceptional in her "Geek" segment preview. Very informative and journalistic with a new aspect of informational news. I enjoyed her investigative excerpts when comparing speeches of Republicans to the adversity surrounding the empathy thing. GO RACHEL! Awesome night to watch her. Did she ever back that thang up! WHOOOSH WHOOOSH, DOWN BOYS! Just to add a little bit for your argument though Rache, If mitigating circumstances isn't empathy, what is it?
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    • Author by vxgtr8682 (May 29, 2009 12:47 pm ET)
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      So, If there was a group that was for "Strengthening America by promoting the advancement of European-American families"; Maddow would be OK with that, right? Maddow and all the other libs on MSNBC would be up in arms with a group like that. La Raza, it's called "THE RACE". Why doesn't Maddow call it what it translates to in english, not "NCLR". Lets say Obama nominates a "White Male Judge" to the Surpreme Court and this White Male Judge said,"Being a White Male makes me a BETTER judge than a Latina Judge". Would the Maddow be OK with that statement? America elected a President that called his own Grandmother a "Typical White Person". Could you imagine if "W" refered to a Afician-American as a "Typical Black Person"? Would Maddow be OK with "W" making a statement like that? There is such a HUGE double standard in America today, and all you Libs know it.
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      • Author by nerzog (May 29, 2009 12:57 pm ET)
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        Wow! Now that you put it that way... I mean, I really hadn't considered that analogy... EXCEPT FOR THE FIFTY-SEVEN TIMES THE TROGLODYTES HAVE USED THE EXACT SAME TALKING POINT THIS WEEK.

        Here's a nickel... go buy a clue.
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      • Author by magnolialover (May 29, 2009 1:04 pm ET)
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        Except that the quote you attribute to Sotomayor is only part of it. You know it. We know it. The hyperventilating tribe of conservative media knows it, and yet, you still ignore the context in which she spoke that sentence in (out of an 8 page speech).

        If a white male judge had said something along the lines of, "Being a white male makes me a better judge than a Latina woman when it comes to ruling on cases of corporate malfeasance..." then I would probably go along with that, since most large corporation's power structures are still inherently male, and white.

        Thing is chief, there are organizations in America that try to promote the european american families, and they're called Neo Nazis, the KKK, and white supremacists. Thing is, La Raza, or The Race, is a group that fights for minority rights, and don't prop themselves up as being superior to anyone else. They just want what they're legally guaranteed.

        Also, stop playing the part of the poor persecuted majority. That's a tired talking point, and it was not valid 10 years ago, not valid 20 years ago, and it's not valid now. I feel lucky to have been born a white male in America, mostly because I get all sorts of advantages being such that if I were almost anything else in the US, I wouldn't get (like being a woman, being a minority, and so on...).

        There is no double standard, you just wish that there were.
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      • Author by Lazlo P. Hollyfeld (May 29, 2009 1:15 pm ET)
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        La Raza, which Sotomayor has been affiliated with, is actually a pretty benign organization. The "all for the race" motto is from a different organization entirely, which Sototmayor has No affiliation with. This is like saying Al Gore is a member of NAMBLA, whose motto is "sex after 8 is too late". In fact, Al Gore is member of NAMA, but close enough, right?
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      • Author by wzwriter (May 29, 2009 1:26 pm ET)
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        Another stupid comment by someone with a string of numbers after their user name. I wonder if "vxgtr8682" is the latest reincarnation of Columbus1492.....
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        • Author by vxgtr8682 (May 29, 2009 2:19 pm ET)
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          That's what I thought I would get from you libs; personal attacks and there is nothing good about white males. I must be a "typical white person" then. Sotomayor said the word "BETTER" not the word equal but, better. You libs are so into ripping America down you don't see the double standard that you libs love to play. Let me ask you libs this, If you were in a burning building and a white fireman came to get you out, would say,"No, I'll wait for a minority fireperson to come". My point is don't you want the more qualified person for a firefighter than someone you libs think should have the job? And you know exactly what I'm talking about. magnolialover, You made my point for me. Example; What would I be called if I wore a shirt that said "White Pride"? But, a Latino can wear a shirt that says "Brown Pride" with no problem. There's your "double standard" that you don't see. So you are a socailist, you hate corporations, and think America should replace "typical white male" CEO's with someone else because the color of their skin?
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          • Author by mikehuck1976 (May 29, 2009 3:21 pm ET)
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            "I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life."

            "Let us not forget that wise men like Oliver Wendell Holmes and Justice [Benjamin] Cardozo voted on cases which upheld both sex and race discrimination in our society."

            "we should not be so myopic as to believe that others of different experiences or backgrounds are incapable of understanding the values and needs of people from a different group."

            "Each day on the bench I learn something new about the judicial process and about being a professional Latina woman in a world that sometimes looks at me with suspicion. I am reminded each day that I render decisions that affect people concretely and that I owe them constant and complete vigilance in checking my assumptions, presumptions and perspectives and ensuring that to the extent that my limited abilities and capabilities permit me, that I re-evaluate them and change as circumstances and cases before me requires. I can and do aspire to be greater than the sum total of my experiences, but I accept my limitations. I willingly accept that we who judge must not deny the differences resulting from experience and heritage but attempt, as the Supreme Court suggests, continuously to judge when those opinions, sympathies and prejudices are appropriate."



            Read the speech before you make such a fool of yourself. I am no lib, but you (and your ilk) are precisely the reason that I am no longer a Republican. Your ignorance is glaring, but it's not reprehensible - everyone is ignorant on one subject or another. The pride that you seem to take in your ignorance is shameless and reprehensible. You either actually believe that everyone has a fair shot at the top jobs in this country regardless of their background or family contacts or else you don't care. Show me the day when a black man is able to run for governor and then president based on who his family is and then your argument may have the slightest bit of merit. Either way, you are the problem.
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            • Author by vxgtr8682 (May 29, 2009 4:06 pm ET)
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              Robert Byrd was a Liberal Dem tah was in the Klan. Al Gore's father voted against the civil rights act in the 50's. You bring up a few judges? There are knuckle heads on both sides, what's your point? I don't remeber you libs making a big deal about Clarence Thomas when he was being tore apart.
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              • Author by jibal (May 30, 2009 9:37 pm ET)
                   
                We all know about Robert Byrd's membership in the Klan, moron. The difference between us and you is that we know that he rejected the Klan and spent the rest of his life opposing it and what it stood for.

                As for Clarence Thomas, we did make a big deal about his sexual abuse of Anita Hill. Your comment is particularly ironic (and stupid and ignorant) here at Media Matters: google "David Brock".
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          • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (May 29, 2009 3:29 pm ET)
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            You libs are so into ripping America down...You libs are so into ripping America down

            blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah!!

            And it's not a personal attack, just a reaction to YOUR silly comments!!!
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          • Author by magnolialover (May 29, 2009 3:34 pm ET)
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            I responded to your silliness, but you seemed to ignore that.

            If you wore a shirt that said white pride, regardles of how you actually felt, you'd be labeled a racist.

            Thing is, white people are not oppressed in the US. There is NO double standard. Sticking up for yourself is just fine and dandy, but don't pretend like things are even and balanced, because they're not.

            I don't think white CEOS should be replaced because they're white, I think they should be replaced because they stink at their jobs. I don't hate corporations, you'd be interested to know, that's who I work for. They pay my bills.

            We're not ripping into America, we're ripping into folks like you who seem to think being white and male in the US is some sort of tragedy. It's not. I'm glad that I am that's for sure.

            The firefighter thing is BS, because she ruled on precedent, as did the other memebers of the judge panel.

            The quote is BS as well, becuase you have failed to read the entire thing.

            I think everyone should have pride in who they are, it's just that the folks who have pride in the whiteness, most of the time, are the ones yelling and screaming about how whites are SUPERIOR to everyone else. Minorities tend not to do this. That you don't see the difference doesn't surprise me really. Speaking up for your race because you want to equal is not the same as saying you're for white pride, because again, white people in this country, especially white males, have had all the advantages throughout their lives. Minorities have not. What these groups are trying to work for, and which you ignore, is EQUAL rights. They don't claim to be better than anyone else, they just want what is guaranteed to them through the Constitution of the US.
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            • Author by vxgtr8682 (May 29, 2009 4:00 pm ET)
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              You libs aren't use to someone with a differant opion on this site, are you? You libs that are taking what I'm saying and turning it into an equal rights thing. Did or didn't she say the word "BETTER". She did, I didn't. Did or didn't Obama call his own Grandmother a "Typical White Person". You seem to ignore these questions. magnolialover, you said,"Thing is, white people are not oppressed in the US. There is NO double standard. Sticking up for yourself is just fine and dandy, but don't pretend like things are even and balanced, because they're not." So, should I tell my kids not to try as hard as they can so someone with a differant color of skin can take there place in line? And you made my point again, you even say I'd be lable a racist if I wore a "white pride" shirt. When I was a young man I had on a shirt with a picture of a shark on it and had the words "Great White". An Aficain-Americain came up to me and said, "What's that shirt suppose to mean?" I bought the shirt because I liked sharks, I didn't even "think" it would be taked as a racist statement. There's you double standard you don't believe in.
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              • Author by Lazlo P. Hollyfeld (May 29, 2009 5:07 pm ET)
                   
                I think the topic here was, "does she belong to a racist organization?" and the answer was "no, she belongs to a race based organization" - just like The Sons of St. Patrick or the Korean American Alliance.
                I'm not going to convince any conservative that her "better conclusion" comment isn't racist, but can we agree on the obvious fact that all ethinic organizations in America aren't dedicated to the eradication of white men?
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              • Author by jibal (May 30, 2009 9:33 pm ET)
                   
                Actually, we "libs" are quite used to stupid, illiterate racists like you.
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          • Author by nerzog (May 29, 2009 3:49 pm ET)
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            "Sotomayor said the word "BETTER" not the word equal but, better."


            Try again, Vercingetorix... she said "better conclusion" not "better judge" as you and the rest of the Troglodytes are claiming.

            If you guys are going to spew propaganda, aren't you clever enough not to use things that can be debunked with so little effort?
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            • Author by vxgtr8682 (May 29, 2009 7:03 pm ET)
                 
              What is with you libs and personal attacks(Vercingetorix)? The site gave me that name. OK, you got me she said "Better Conclusion", my bad as the kids say. The point is she said the word BETTER. So then, why didn't she say "Equal Conclusion". Because she didn't mean "Equal", she meant what she said, "Better".
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          • Author by Preston (May 29, 2009 10:06 pm ET)
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            Yawn. I'm waiting for you to use the tired line I often here from dupes like you: "BET is racist! If there was a WHITE ENTERTAINMENT TELEVISION, it would be considered racist! But it's okay to have a BLACK ENTERTAINMENT TELEVISION!!!11!1! That's the double standard and it's racist!!!111"

            No wonder the rest of the world looks at us as being stupid. When dupes like you are so delusional and historically ignorant of your own history then it's no surprise that we're the laughingstock across the world. The fact you think you even have an argument with that laundry list of right-wing, we-white-conservative-men-are-so-oppressed talking points, it makes me wonder what our school systems are teaching our children.

            A mind is definitely a terrible thing to waste.
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            • Author by vxgtr8682 (May 30, 2009 12:07 am ET)
                 
              I see that media matters DIDN'T post my last comment. So, I guess I'm done here
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    • Author by tedbohne (May 31, 2009 8:51 am ET)
         
      All of these people with the exception of Ms Maddow, and Keith Olbermann, are extreme right wing garbage. They are trapped in mindless ideology that cannot be cured. Pat and Bay Buchanan are trapped in rabid Catholicism. Either the American people will recognize these rodents for the trash they are and expectorate, or there will continue to be a LARGE boil on the ass of the US. Well, that and the republican ilk where ever they hide and spawn.

      tedbohne
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