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Getting "past the bombast" Schieffer imagines he'd "be in a heap of trouble" for equivalent of Sotomayor's remarks

May 31, 2009 11:59 am ET

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    • Author by pete592 (May 31, 2009 12:22 pm ET)
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      Is Sotomayor not in a heap of trouble with the most obnoxious and venomous elements of the Republicans Party?

      I just don't buy this whole premise that she's somehow skating away scot-free from this ordeal. Sotomayor and every member of her family have to try and tune out a daily onslaught of attention and criticism that has, at times, become downright nasty and vicious. Regardless of her appointment, Sotomayor, like appointees before her, will be branded for life by the "liberal media."
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      • Author by mk3872 (May 31, 2009 1:12 pm ET)
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        Hey, senile Bob seems to forget that Congressmen like Tom Tancredo this week called her worse than the KKK and a racist. Too bad for Bob, the Internet has caught up to old, lying, manipulating fools like him.
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        • Author by fairliberal (May 31, 2009 4:12 pm ET)
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          Can you show where Tancredo called her "worse than the KKK and a racist". It does seem that you have quite a flair for manipulation of the facts.
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          • Author by John Paradox (May 31, 2009 4:35 pm ET)
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            http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200905280032

            Starts about 4 min in.

            Yeah, those facts are inconvenient things for neocons, (e.g. "fair"=biased, "liberal"=neocon like Clear Air Act for increasing pollution)
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            • Author by fairliberal (May 31, 2009 6:27 pm ET)
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              Thanks for proving me right, he did not say what the poster said he did. Perhaps you should listen again and then read the post I was responding to.

              It would seem that facts are inconvenient for dimocrats like you.
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              • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (May 31, 2009 6:40 pm ET)
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                You wouldn't know a fact if it sat on your lap and called you "Daddy."
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                • Author by fairliberal (May 31, 2009 8:30 pm ET)
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                  Well , refute what I said, put up or shut up.
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                  • Author by LuvLuLu (June 01, 2009 12:36 am ET)
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                    Can you show us where the previous poster put quotes around what he claimed Tancredo 'said'?

                    If not, then you have no point. The KKK has been decimated in the past 50 years. If La Raza, as an active organization, is equivalent to what the KKK used to be, given where our nation is now, then La Raza would be worse than the KKK. Our nation has moved beyond much of the racism that infected it so badly between our founding and the mid 1900's, when things really started to change.

                    If you can't acknowledge the differences between now and then, then you're our old, stupid FairLiberal - don't ever change for us. Keep on making yourself look as crappy as possible.
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                    • Author by fairliberal (June 01, 2009 1:25 am ET)
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                      You are really a fool, I am quoting him. His statemment was flat out false and of course you in your blind belief that a lib never says anything wrong comes running to his defense. How pathetic but quite consistent with the prevailing wisdom here. I made no critical comment what so ever about La Raza nor the klan. Nor Judge Sotomayor either.


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                  • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 01, 2009 8:10 am ET)
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                    put up or shut up
                    If only you followed your own advice; we'd never hear from you again.
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                    • Author by fairliberal (June 01, 2009 9:43 am ET)
                         
                      Well refute me. You say it is easy but all you do is insult and ridicule, so show how what I was saying is false, so far you have not. Because you cannot. You are a fraud.
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                      • Author by bip84124092 (June 01, 2009 10:33 am ET)
                           
                        You're clinging to anything and everything to prove your point. You seem relatively intelligent so why not wait until the hearings and listen to what Ms. Sotomayor has to say? I am more than sure the Republican's will give her every opportunity to explain every statement in question. Why not take a moment to review the judge's record. She's been on the bench 17 years. It may take away your talking points but since you're posting on this site I imagine you're interested in the truth or at the very least proving us "unfair liberals" wrong.
                        I saw Tancredo make those hateful comments. You can parse them anyway you want, the meaning was clear. Why even mention the KKK? Tancredo is proud of his intollerant record where Hispancs are concerened. He's never met one that isn't "secretly" illegal.
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          • Author by Brabantio (May 31, 2009 4:44 pm ET)
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            I'm not sure he said that she was worse than the KKK, but he did say that La Raza was the counterpart to the KKK and made great effort to emphasize that Sotomayor was a member of La Raza. Between that and his assertions that "she appears to be a racist" I think his message is quite clear.
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            • Author by Tbone Slickens (June 01, 2009 9:24 am ET)
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              As a former citizen of El Paso, TX I can assure you that La Raza is as racist an organization as any. This alone should disqualify Sotomayor.

              La Raza teaches racism in AZ schools

              As a memeber of NCLR, Sotomayor supports driver's licenses for illegal aliens, amnesty programs, and no immigration law enforcement by local and state police. Not to mention NCLR supports other chicano groups that advocate secession of southwestern states.

              This is par for the course for Barry and company. Anything that weakens the US. Mexico is such a glowing example of tolerance.
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              • Author by magnolialover (June 01, 2009 10:00 am ET)
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                You, are of course, wrong.
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              • Author by magnolialover (June 01, 2009 10:03 am ET)
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                Read this, it might prove enlightening for you, but I doubt it:

                http://www.nclr.org/content/viewpoints/detail/42500/
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          • Author by mk3872 (June 01, 2009 12:30 pm ET)
               
            Oh, FL ... You are once again living in that slim thin line world of yours where because my post did not verbatim nail exactly what Tancredo said then you give him a pass.

            So you listened to his rant with Sanchez on CNN, did you?

            And you took away from that Trancedo NOT calling Sotomayor a racist and like the KKK?? You are unable to draw the connection between what he called La Raza and her association with the group??

            Well then I guess there is nothing to debate. In your world, you are always right.
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    • Author by magnolialover (May 31, 2009 12:47 pm ET)
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      No you wouldn't Bob. Why? Because, if you were speaking about something that you had a lot of knowledge about, then you might make a better decision than someone else who doesn't have the same background and information.

      You, just like everyone else or lots of other people, has failed to actually read the context of her comments.
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      • Author by jonwisby (May 31, 2009 12:56 pm ET)
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        I read the speech, her wording and grammatical construction are perfect (indicative of her intellect). People who do not understand what she was saying are either disingenuous or haven't read the words. Hopefully she will sufficiently "dumb down" the meaning of her words in the senate hearings.
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    • Author by mk3872 (May 31, 2009 1:11 pm ET)
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      So then shouldn't Mr. Schieffer be in a heap of trouble for being a LAZY JOURNALIST by not reading her full quote, or pointing out that actually was saying that she is a better judge in cases related to women's issues because of her background???

      By simplying it down to Limbaugh's level of "I'm a better judge because I am hispanic" is A LIE and JUST AS BAD AS LIMBAUGH!
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      • Author by fairliberal (May 31, 2009 6:33 pm ET)
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        This is actually a better example of lazy journalism.....http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/09/17/olbermann-echoes-thinkprogress-lies-smear-palin .. but it could be just an example of a deliberate lie also, you be the judge.
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        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (May 31, 2009 6:42 pm ET)
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          Newsbusters has been debunked repeatedly. I am not surprised that you quote a discredited, lying site to make points you are unable to make without resorting to lies.
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          • Author by fairliberal (May 31, 2009 9:55 pm ET)
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            Well , smart guy, here is olbermann's statement. .http://www.olbermannwatch.com/archives/2008/09/countdown_w_olb_3.php...
            Now here is the budget from 2007--page 34...http://www.gov.state.ak.us/omb/08_OMB/budget/Enacted/SB_53_bill.pdf

            So Palin increased funding by $25000 not decreased it as olbermann said, he was lying. So refute that.
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            • Author by mk3872 (June 01, 2009 1:03 pm ET)
                 
              Dude, you are comparing KO and his evening opinionated show against Schieffer who is positioning himself as hard-hitting FACTUAL newsmakers.

              Did you perform the same level of homework comparing Sean Hannity's nonsense to actual news "facts" as well?

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        • Author by magnolialover (May 31, 2009 8:02 pm ET)
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          Ooh, news about Palin? That's so November 2008. And talk about someone blaming the media for their woes. Amazing that you quote an oft discredited source.

          An Olberman? Who cares about him? Not too many around here.
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          • Author by snoopy (May 31, 2009 10:24 pm ET)
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            Palin? you mean this shining paradigm of intelligence?

            [http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/4176/putinrearshisheadnz7.jpg]
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            • Author by mary59 (May 31, 2009 11:04 pm ET)
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              Methinks that fairliberal is on her Olbermann hate horse again...and poor Sarah got such a raw deal....from the McCain camp.
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    • Author by carlos (May 31, 2009 1:43 pm ET)
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      White men don't have to say it. They just get the jobs.
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      • Author by fairliberal (June 01, 2009 9:46 am ET)
           
        Obviously under Sotomayor they will not, she gives the jobs to less qualified minorities when she feels like it.
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        • Author by Brabantio (June 01, 2009 11:40 am ET)
             
          "In those 50 cases, the panel accepted the claim of race discrimination only three times. In all three cases, the panel was unanimous; in all three, it included a Republican appointee...In the 50 cases, the panel was unanimous in every one. There was a Republican appointee in 38, and these panels were all obviously unanimous as well. Thus, in the roughly 45 panel opinions rejecting claims of discrimination, Judge Sotomayor never dissented."
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        • Author by tman418 (June 01, 2009 5:30 pm ET)
             
          And weren't some of the potential firefighters in the New Haven case Hispanic, which is her race?

          I don't believe that judges "give jobs" to anyone, nor take them away.
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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (May 31, 2009 2:11 pm ET)
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      But Schieffer didn't. Had he done so, he might be in line to be a Supreme Court Justice rather than a Bush jester.
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    • Author by loislap (May 31, 2009 2:45 pm ET)
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      Many posters here make the point that Schieffer is somehow missing the real point and is senile etc.The facts are actually quite simple.Bob is not stupid,nor are most of his right wing like minded compatriots.They are simply deliberately misleading the public to score cheap political points.They know this lady will get through the confirmation process and are probably not all that worried about it,considering her rulings have come down more on the Right side of the ledger than the Left.Bob here is an enabler for a party teetering on the brink of utter collapse and is doing his best--by lying--to make sure that doesn't happen.
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      • Author by tjmccool2284 (May 31, 2009 2:53 pm ET)
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        Despite the vitriolic framing, seriously, what else have Republicans got to do these days, She made a statement that SHE should have to defend. Not in the context of whether she's a racist, but to explain what she meant.
        I like her and her record (she's like Obama, more centrist than some would prefer) but I would like to hear her explanation. It's a legitimate question but the framing by the right is not.
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        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (May 31, 2009 6:44 pm ET)
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          Why don't you just read what she said? It is very clear, very concise, and needs neither defense nor explanation, because there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.
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          • Author by fairliberal (May 31, 2009 10:25 pm ET)
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            I guess in your mind only conservatives need to explain themselves, libs get a free pass. Why am I not surprised.

            It is amazing how sensitive you libs get when you get a taste of your own medicine.
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            • Author by Brabantio (May 31, 2009 11:20 pm ET)
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              Her statement in context explains itself. The problem is the blindness of conservatives to what is quite obvious to the majority of Americans.
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              • Author by fairliberal (June 01, 2009 2:31 am ET)
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                Obama himself said , given the chance she would have restated than comment or something to that effect, so apparently he even feels the questions are warranted.

                As I stated, it is amazing how sensitive the libs are to any question at all about Sotomayor. The dems have a history of obstructing Supreme Court nominees but now, how dare anyone question one of theirs.

                In the end she will be confirmed with most Reps voting for her I would think, but for now they will examine her statements and history, is that wrong?

                My guess is that more reps will vote for her confirmation than dems that voted for Roberts for instance. Unlike the dems the reps understand that a president can nominate anyone he wants and unless the nominee is obviously unqualified the nominee should be confirmed.
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                • Author by Brabantio (June 01, 2009 7:31 am ET)
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                  I don't take Obama's reaction to a firestorm over my own reading. Every concern that's been brought up about that quote can be refuted by something that's in the context.

                  Nobody has a problem with legitimate questions. Going on and on about something which is quite clear in its full context does not qualify.

                  Were Clinton's nominees to lower courts given up-or-down votes, or were dozens of those nominations killed in committee?
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                • Author by magnolialover (June 01, 2009 8:24 am ET)
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                  Umm, Roberts was confirmed overwhelmingly by liberals and conservatives alike. There goes THAT talking point, burned down to the ground.

                  Now if you meant to say Alito, then you might have a point, as most democrats didn't vote for him, and yet, he still passed confirmation.

                  So you're complaining about the President NOT getting his choice is just flat out wrong, again, mostly because Bush did get his choice, well, not so much with Miers, and that was due mostly to republicans complaining about that choice. Did you defend the Miers choice? Because, as you say, the President gets to choose. But remember, he nomination was taken down by fellow conservatives, and not democrats. There is nothing in the Constitution that says a nominee for the court has to be qualified for anything. They just have to be the choice of the President.

                  Nobody here is saying that there is anything wrong with evaluation her record, and asking her questions, tough, or otherwise. The disingenousness that you portray about this issue is laughable though, because you, like conservative pundits are saying she's a racist, and that she needs to be asked these questions, whereas, if you again, look at her speech, it's evidently quite clear what she was saying, and what she was addressing. Nobody is saying don't question her, but don't be stupid and ignorant and ignore the context of what she was saying about the alleged controversial "Latina" comment.
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                  • Author by fairliberal (June 01, 2009 9:59 am ET)
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                    Actually you are wrong , almost 50% of dems voted against Roberts.

                    And I did not defend the Miers choice , she was deemed unqualified by most .

                    Why noy just compare the way the reps treated the Clinton nominees vs the way the dems treated the Bush nominees. It was the reps that gave almost unanimous support to Clinton's, a far cry from the dems votes on Bush's choices.

                    In the entire 20th century I don't believe that even one dem choice was rejected, one was kept from advancing to Chief Justice however. About 6 or so was rejected by dems.
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                    • Author by magnolialover (June 01, 2009 10:12 am ET)
                         
                      OK, the dem vote for Roberts was split, 50-50. 22 for. 22 against. According to the Congressional record. I stand somewhat corrected.

                      The way that the republicans treated the Clinton nominees was thusly. There were a lot of Clinton's nominees who were never allowed OUT of committee, in other words, they were never given the benefit of being voted on, they were not allowed on the floor to be confirmed, let alone be voted on. While, during George W. Bush's court appointees were alomst all voted on, and confirmed, as in, he had the biggest percentage of court appointees seated than any other President in history. There was a big difference there. The republicans might have voted for Clinton's appointees, but only the ones that were scrubbed thoroughly during committee. Never mind that his SCOTUS appointees were also vetted by the republicans before they were brought to the Senate.

                      You are incorrect that dem choices were not rejected, they were. And many of them were not allowed to even be voted on. Only about 8 of Bush's most controversial nominations were not let through. Remember all of the BS about nuclear options? That was it.
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                • Author by bip84124092 (June 01, 2009 10:52 am ET)
                     
                  You underestimate Obama at your own peril. You're being played.
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                • Author by pete592 (June 01, 2009 11:08 am ET)
                     
                  "As I stated, it is amazing how sensitive the libs are to any question at all about Sotomayor. The dems have a history of obstructing Supreme Court nominees but now, how dare anyone question one of theirs."

                  We're not being "sensitive" to questions. The problem is she's being called a racist, a bigot, a Marxist, etc. in lieu of actually being asked questions.
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            • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 01, 2009 8:15 am ET)
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              I guess in your mind only conservatives need to explain themselves, libs get a free pass.
              Congratulations, FL, you have given birth to yet another straw baby. I guess with all those straw mouths to feed, you don't have time to actually read your links to make sure they say what you think they do, nor do you have time to post arguments that actually address what someone has said, rather than your lies about what they have said.

              Being accurate takes time. You apparently are in a constant hurry.
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              • Author by fairliberal (June 01, 2009 10:01 am ET)
                   
                I am still waiting to see even a single fact from you. Obviously when you do not have any answers you just criticise and insult as usual.
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      • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (May 31, 2009 3:24 pm ET)
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        And someone like Schieffer, hanging his Con shingle above the CBS News logo, is even more helpful to the RepugnantCon noise machine than an O'Reilly or Hannity or Beck, because people who might mistrust Fox "News" might look at that CBS logo and give him more credibility. Not unlike Matt Lauer at NBC...
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        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (May 31, 2009 6:45 pm ET)
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          Schieffer's brother Tom is a high-ranking official in the Republican Party. Somehow that affiliation is never mentioned.
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          • Author by magnolialover (May 31, 2009 8:07 pm ET)
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            That doesn't matter really. Why? That's the classic guilt by association. For example, my brother is a hard core republican, I, am not. Does that make me any less liberal? No. Scieffer's brother's affiliations mean, well, nothing really.

            I mean, we harp all the time about guilt by association when someone has compared Obama with say, William Ayers. Isn't saying Bob's brother is a republican the same thing? The fact that his bro is a high ranking official means nothing towards Bob himself.
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            • Author by mary59 (May 31, 2009 11:09 pm ET)
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              I'd agree with that. I think Schieffer can be fair. But he's been in the beltway too long and just doesn't see the forest for the trees. He obsesses over trivia like all the rest of them, doesn't ask the crucial questions nor do follow-up; hasn't checked basic facts, and doesn't consider policy at any length; just politics.
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            • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 01, 2009 8:17 am ET)
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              I agree, magnolialover, but Shieffer specifically said he would be in trouble if he said something like what Sotomayor said. With his high-level connections to the GOP, he would never be in trouble for saying anything, unless it was the truth and the GOP didn't like it.
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    • Author by bip84124092 (June 01, 2009 10:49 am ET)
         
      News flash Bob!
      People would be shocked that you actually said this in the context you present it. They would not be shocked that you, an old elite establishment white guy, believed it to be true. So, please stop repeating this silly right wing talking point. Your sense of entitlement is showing.
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