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Fox News is just asking about Sotomayor's "wise Latina" remarks: "New Racism?"

June 01, 2009 8:00 am ET

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Conservatives react to historic Supreme Court nominee by smearing Sotomayor as "racist," "bigot"

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    • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 01, 2009 8:21 am ET)
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      New Racism?
      Nope, just the same old racism, and FNC is the racist.
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    • Author by magnolialover (June 01, 2009 8:33 am ET)
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      Ah, the good old, "We're just asking a question what's wrong with that?" approach to news and commentary. FoxNews is the MASTER of this, so that when and if they are called on it, they can claim that mantle of, "What? Aren't we allowed to ask a question?"

      This is the direction that our friend Fairliberal takes in approach to this, saying that democrats don't want questions asked of Sotomayor, when the truth is, we don't care about people asking her hard, and tough questions, and they should. But nobody is doing that. They're just smearing her with no end in sight. That's the problem that we have.
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      • Author by Tbone Slickens (June 01, 2009 9:36 am ET)
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        Why isn't the left concerned with Sotomayor's membership in the racist NCLR?

        Why isn't the media covering her membership in NCLR?

        Why is Barry supporting a judge who is a member in NCLR and why hasn't he asked her to renounce her support of Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan?
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        • Author by magnolialover (June 01, 2009 9:59 am ET)
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          Because, as others have pointed out, the NCLR isn't a racist organization.
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          • Author by Tbone Slickens (June 01, 2009 12:27 pm ET)
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            Not racist huh? As I posted on another thread I lived in El Paso for five years. La Raza and their supporters were unrepentant racists as evidenced by their rallies and letters to the editor.

            They support southwest secession and chicano biased education.

            NCLR teaching racist views

            Just because you and "others" have pointed out (with no backing facts) that NCLR is NOT racists doesn't make it so.
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            • Author by friedbergboy1422 (June 01, 2009 12:47 pm ET)
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              Rick Perry supports and even has advocated Texas secession, is he an enemy of the United States?
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              • Author by Tbone Slickens (June 01, 2009 12:58 pm ET)
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                Yes. I would not support him as an associate justice on the SC and would find his view disqualifying.

                Since he's the Gov, then it's up to the good people of the great state of Texas to handle it how they see fit. Time will tell.
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                • Author by friedbergboy1422 (June 01, 2009 1:54 pm ET)
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                  You didn't answer my question. Is he an enemy of the United States? I am guessing you didn't support Alito either, right?
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                  • Author by Tbone Slickens (June 02, 2009 9:02 am ET)
                       
                    NO. I would not classify Perry as an enemy of the state for advocating secession. He, like all of us are entitled to an opinion no matter how misinformed.
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              • Author by markbfoot199 (June 01, 2009 1:19 pm ET)
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                Fried, Succession because we in Texas feel that the U.S. Government has over stepped their rights. FYI, if Texas was to succeed, they would welcome all to join, not just whites. Unlike La Raze (The Race) would only accept Hispanics. I would be happy to succeed from this current government; I would have fewer taxes and be able to live a more independent life. We in Texas have all the resources we need, remember Texas is the only state that has the right to Succeed. Trust me, unlike California and New York we do not have the same problems as those two states, oh wait, it may be because we do not over tax our citizens and we are a more republican state. Why is it that the two biggest Democrat states in the Union have the biggest problems? Just proves they are wrong, and this current government would like to do the same to the U.S.
                Plus the two do not even compare.
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                • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 01, 2009 1:43 pm ET)
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                  Succession because we in Texas feel that the U.S. Government has over stepped their rights
                  First off, the word is "secession," not "succession."

                  If you don't know what the words used in a discussion are and what they mean, you really should shut up and let those who understand what they are talking about carry on the conversation.
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                  • Author by markbfoot199 (June 01, 2009 1:56 pm ET)
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                    Easy, that is your only statement, did you not see all the times I used Succeed? very sorry that my quick typing hurt your English feelings, but like always avoid the answer attack something none related to the subject. So, no I will not shut up, I do understand my subject matter and I will continue to prove you are wrong and have no tolerance for other opinions.
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                  • Author by wolf kotenberg (June 01, 2009 5:35 pm ET)
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                    one little letter can derail the entire train of thought.
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                • Author by friedbergboy1422 (June 01, 2009 2:41 pm ET)
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                  Everyone has the right to succeed, but no state has the right to secede. By advocating leaving the country, is Perry not attempting to create a revolution against the United States?

                  Show me where Texas has the right to secede. If Perry is against receiving federal money he should refuse it, shouldn't he?

                  California's problems can be traced to Proposition 13 which was passed when they had a five billion dollar budget surplus (Gov. Brown was in power).

                  They don't compare? One wants to leave the country completely!

                  I guess you are telling me you think of Alito as a racist/sexist too because of his affiliations, correct?
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                  • Author by markbfoot199 (June 01, 2009 2:58 pm ET)
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                    Fried,
                    1. Yes Texas does, http://www.texassecede.com/faq.htm

                    2. California's problem is they spend more they the make, pretty simple.

                    3. You provided no proof for us to research your information about Alito.
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                    • Author by friedbergboy1422 (June 01, 2009 6:02 pm ET)
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                      Mark,

                      1. No, Texas does not have the right to secede, quoting a pro-secessionist website does not make it so.

                      "The fact is, the treaty under which Texas joined the U.S. provides that it could be divided into five separate states. But it is not empowered to leave the union, a question that the Civil War seems to have settled once and for all. "

                      http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/politics/state/stories/041809dntexsecession.3f59869.html

                      U.S. News disagrees too:

                      http://www.usnews.com/blogs/robert-schlesinger/2009/04/17/texas-secession-perry-one-third-of-texans-are-wrong-texas-cant-secede.html

                      2. Read up on Proposition 13

                      3. Alito was a member, or at least claimed to be, of a group called "Concerned Alumni of Princeton."

                      "As Princeton admitted a growing number of minority students, Concerned Alumni charged repeatedly that the administration was lowering admission standards, undermining the university's distinctive traditions and admitting too few children of alumni. "Currently alumni children comprise 14 percent of each entering class, compared with an 11 percent quota for blacks and Hispanics," the group wrote in a 1985 fund-raising letter sent to all Princeton graduates."

                      "The group had been founded in 1972, the year that Judge Alito graduated, by alumni upset that Princeton had recently begun admitting women."

                      http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/27/politics/politicsspecial1/27alito.html?ei=5090&en=a5d71dc3b4213d05&ex=1290747600&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=printarticle

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            • Author by snoopy (June 01, 2009 12:51 pm ET)
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              What does a link to Obama's cocain confession have to do with La Raza? But besides the point, let me help you. The National Council of La Raza (NCLR) is a non-profit and non-partisan advocacy group in the United States. It is not to be confused with La Raza Unida (which is exactly what you are doing, either intentionally or ignorantly).
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            • Author by Tbone Slickens (June 01, 2009 1:02 pm ET)
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              Wrong link...

              This is the good one:

              NCLR teacing racist views
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              • Author by snoopy (June 01, 2009 1:43 pm ET)
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                As pointed out above, this is la raza unida, not NCLR. The blogger purposely mistitled the post, but if you click through several links you eventually get to the truth.
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                • Author by Tbone Slickens (June 02, 2009 9:07 am ET)
                     
                  NCLR gave Gutierrez its Chican Hero Award. I know you don't want to see the connection, but it doesn't get any clearer than that.
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                  • Author by friedbergboy1422 (June 02, 2009 9:52 am ET)
                       
                    And the Concerned Alumni of Princeton were against female and minority enrollment at the school. Alito was a member of that group, or at least claimed to be on his resume. Therefore, by your logic, Alito is a racist and sexist, is he not? Did you support him?

                    For the record, I don't think Alito has shown himself to be either of those things, but, by your logic Tbone, he is a racist and a sexist and it doesn't get "any clearer than that."
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            • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 01, 2009 1:41 pm ET)
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              As I posted on another thread I lived in El Paso for five years. La Raza and their supporters were unrepentant racists as evidenced by their rallies and letters to the editor.
              Do you honestly believe that the plural of "anecdote" is "data?"
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          • Author by markbfoot199 (June 01, 2009 1:13 pm ET)
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            Mag, the name La Raza stands for the Race. They only care about their race, they have said that the southern states belong to Mexico. Yes they are, just like the KKK was for only the white race. They are one in the same.
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            • Author by friedbergboy1422 (June 01, 2009 2:43 pm ET)
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              Have they lynched and killed those who disagree with them? Have they burned down homes of those who disagree with them? Show me acts of violence similar to the KKK before you make that comparison, please.
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              • Author by Tbone Slickens (June 02, 2009 10:06 am ET)
                   
                Do some research into the Latino/Black violence in Los Angeles. Latino's were recently charged with trying to "ethnic cleanse" neighborhoods.
                NPR story on Latino violence

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                • Author by friedbergboy1422 (June 02, 2009 1:18 pm ET)
                     
                  Can't get the audio at work, but are you saying that those who perpetrated the violence were involved in the NCLR?
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        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 01, 2009 10:01 am ET)
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          Why isn't the left concerned with Sotomayor's membership in the racist NCLR?
          Because we're more concerned with ignoramuses who have no idea what La Raza actually is, except for the lies spoon-fed to them by the likes of Limbaugh and O'Reilly.

          Why don't you wingnuts learn to feed yourselves, and find out just what empty calories the pabulum is that is vomited by the right-wing know-nothing (and proud of it) radio hosts?
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          • Author by princeofwheels (June 01, 2009 11:14 am ET)
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            Easy, I personally witnessed some Dittoheads, after drinking some tea and listening to the vomit points of the RightWing nutz scrambling around the kitchen for the biggest fork and spoon.. Seems that only the biggest chunks are re-vomitable so they go after them first.
            Sort of like a dog licking his behind then wanting to lick its owners face. (Only the dog knows what it is really doing).
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          • Author by markbfoot199 (June 01, 2009 1:35 pm ET)
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            Easy, your are the only one showing how ignorant you are, you need to do your research on La Raza, really you have no idea what so ever.
            "La Raza" (The Race) is a broad term which refers to those whose ancestry is indigenous to the area of Mexico (or "Aztlan"). MEChA members refer to themselves as "La Raza" or "Raza," but the term itself is used to indicate camaraderie among those in different organizations with the same objectives. There are a number of organizations who consider themselves to be La Raza.
            http://www.mayorno.com/WhoIsMecha.html. (This ties into the below information)

            NCLR strives "to encourage immigration policies that are fair and nondiscriminatory, to encourage family reunification, and to enact necessary reforms to the current immigration system." In short, it favors amnesty for illegals already residing in the U.S., and open borders henceforth.

            Thus La Raza supports continued mass Mexican immigration to the United States, and hopes to achieve, by the sheer weight of numbers, the re-partition of the American Southwest as a new state called Aztlan -- to be controlled by its alleged rightful owners, the people and government of Mexico.
            http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=153

            NCLR's major policy positions also include the following: (just some)
            It supports access to driver's licenses for illegal immigrants.
            It supports voting rights for illegal aliens.
            It opposes the REAL ID Act,

            Schools they sponser:
            La Academia Semillas del Pueblo is a Los Angeles public school that teaches children "Aztec math" and the Mexican indigenous language of "Nahuatl." The principal, Marcos Aguilar, is an ethnic separatist who told a UCLA interviewer: "We don't want to drink from a White water fountain, we have our own wells and our natural reservoirs and our way of collecting rain in our aqueducts. We don't need a White water fountain. … We are not interested in what they have because we have so much more and because the world is so much larger. And ultimately the White way, the American way, the neo liberal, capitalist way of life will eventually lead to our own destruction."

            This is just a small amount of info about La Raza, so again you’re the only person that is showing how ignorant you are about La Raza.
            This is why it is also why it is important that she not get on the bench.
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            • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 01, 2009 1:47 pm ET)
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              This is just a small amount of info about La Raza
              And all of it is bull manure. You really have no idea what you are posting about. You don't even know the difference between LRU and NCLR. The people you copy and paste from don't, either.

              But, if you ever had an original thought in your head, it would die of loneliness.
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              • Author by markbfoot199 (June 01, 2009 2:14 pm ET)
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                Easy, I was able to prove all of the above, and again just prove the truth hurts. Original thoughts, you did not for my ideas, but what I gave you is examples of why a Sotomayors nomination is a mistake. She is a member of an organization that is associated with other organizations that believe in the many racist and non-American policies. You would not accept the same from the Right, so why should we accept it from the left. So unless you have proof that none of the above is true and can prove it, then maybe you need to quit showing how uneducated you are about La Raza.
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                • Author by Brabantio (June 01, 2009 2:50 pm ET)
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                  "MEChA members refer to themselves as "La Raza" or "Raza," but the term itself is used to indicate camaraderie among those in different organizations with the same objectives. There are a number of organizations who consider themselves to be La Raza."

                  How is the organization she belongs to "associated" with any others because they call themselves "La Raza"? If you belonged to the Rotary Club and the KKK started calling themselves "Rotarians", would that make you associated with them?
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                  • Author by markbfoot199 (June 01, 2009 3:10 pm ET)
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                    Perfect example of you not reading everything and the link research I provided. I knew someone like you would only look at the first link and say, look they are not the same group. Then as you read more into the information I provided, you will see that NCLR supports a school that is tied back into MEChA and its philosophies. Just so sad that you all do not read or do your research. Just spend time at NCLR website, read all the information they have, read about the other organizations they support, the other schools they support, what they see as injustice in our laws. You all are so blind you will accept anything the left puts out without doing the research yourself. I only come here to understand the way you all think, to understand how uneducated you are and only listen to the news media or this website. I am sure if MMFA tells you that Obama is not hiring lobbyist and points to current news media, you would believe it without researching the individuals the Administrations is hiring. Just like when Obama says Sotomayor is a great pick for the SC, you believe him. He needs to give up on her and move on to the next person. Accept he made a mistake. Look, she has had multi cases brought in front of the Supreme Court (rare) in the past, and they were overturned. In a nutshell, her rulings were unconstitutional, is this really the best person to put on the bench? Unless you want the constitution to change or be reinterpret.
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                    • Author by snoopy (June 01, 2009 3:40 pm ET)
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                      NCLR Responds: A Point-by-Point Analysis

                      The following are common misconceptions voiced about NCLR and our work. Please click on the links below for more information on NCLR’s response to each accusation.

                      1.The Translation of Our Name: National Council of La Raza
                      2.Support of Separatist Organizations
                      3.Reconquista and Segregation
                      4.Solely Hispanic-serving Programs
                      5.Border Security and Immigration
                      6.Full Disclosure of Our Lobbying Funds
                      7.Earmarking of Federal Funds
                      8.Other Issues

                      Conclusion

                      NCLR has published this extensive analysis because we trust readers to come to their own conclusions about the merits, or lack thereof, of our critics’ charges. View below what some other observers have concluded.

                      Letter from Rep. Gutierrez in support of NCLR against Rep. Norwood's claims

                      Janet Murguía's response to Michelle Malkin: "She's Wrong About My Group"

                      Mary Sanchez: "Dear Michelle Malkin: Study Spanish"

                      The Denver Post: “Hispanic Council Fighting Negative Perceptions of Purpose

                      Southern Poverty Law Center: “What’s in a Name? The Defamation of the National Council of La Raza

                      Media Matters for America: “Fear & Loathing in Prime Time: Immigration Myths and Cable News
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                      • Author by markbfoot199 (June 01, 2009 5:55 pm ET)
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                        Conclusion, Kettle, why do they call their group La Raza? What does it mean, you cannot change the name to fit your cause. Still means The Race. Again you did not look past then the headlines on their pages, did dig deep into their website, look at the organizations they support and who they associate with as well. The school provided the information, does not matter who passed onto the public. Look up the school's info.
                        You know Obama says one thing and does another, but sure you believe everything he puts out as well. My Favorites, I will not hire Lobbyist, opps, mean I will after a few months, I will shut down Gitmo, Opps, not sure how. I will give 95% of the public a tax cut, Opps, well not really. I do not believe what La Raza says, I look at what they have done and supported.
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                        • Author by snoopy (June 01, 2009 6:33 pm ET)
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                          Well pot, as they themselves said on their website, your interpretation of their name isn't how it's interpreted. My wife is from Mexico, she says you have no clue. And your other blatherings? Basically more hyperbole that you pass like a bad kidney stone.

                          Obama and the most ethical administration of the 21st century is going full steam ahead fulfilling his campaign promises in spite of the crybabies on the right.

                          And you don't look at what la raza does and supports, you look at what others tell you they have done and supported. Good puppies...
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                          • Author by Tbone Slickens (June 02, 2009 9:13 am ET)
                               
                            Obama and the most ethical administration of the 21st century


                            HA! Classic!

                            How many TAX CHEATS are we up to now?????

                            Six by my last count.
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                    • Author by Brabantio (June 01, 2009 3:42 pm ET)
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                      I'm going by what you wrote. I also notice that the claim about the schools rests on the reporting of Michelle Malkin, who doesn't have a particularly strong track record on accuracy. Her continuous use of "the race" seems like a tool to conflate different organizations, much like has been done on this thread. If that's not the case, fine, but a more objective and trustworthy source would be appreciated.

                      So nobody else on the Supreme Court had more than one case overturned? She had three out of four hundred. Is that significantly beyond the norm?
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            • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (June 01, 2009 7:00 pm ET)
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              "La Raza" (The Race) is a broad term which refers to those whose ancestry is indigenous to the area of Mexico (or "Aztlan").

              Would you PLEASE STOP regurgitating right wing crazy talk!!!!!

              Academia Semillas del Pueblo Xinaxcalmecac (Spanish: Seeds of the People Academy) is a public charter school of the Los Angeles Unified School District (LAUSD).

              [b]Students are taught Spanish, Mandarin Chinese, and the Aztec/Mexica Nahuatl language, as well as English. The curriculum emphasizes Pre-Columbian cultural traditions.

              Like all California charter schools, administrators have autonomy determining the curriculum, though Academia is required to adhere to statewide standards.

              And, I'm SURE it was just a simple mistake that you left off the QUESTION that the interviewer asked Marcos Aguilar.


              TCLA: Finally, what do you see as the legacy of the Brown decision?

              MA: If Brown was just about letting Black people into a White school, well we don’t care about that anymore. We don’t necessarily want to go to White schools. What we want to do is teach ourselves, teach our children the way we have of teaching. We don’t want to drink from a White water fountain, we have our own wells and our natural reservoirs and our way of collecting rain in our aqueducts. We don’t need a White water fountain. So the whole issue of segregation and the whole issue of the Civil Rights Movement is all within the box of White culture and White supremacy. We should not still be fighting for what they have. We are not interested in what they have because we have so much more and because the world is so much larger. And ultimately the White way, the American way, the neo liberal, capitalist way of life will eventually lead to our own destruction. And so it isn’t about an argument of joining neo liberalism, it’s about us being able, as human beings, to surpass the barrier.

              And if I were you, I wouldn't be so quick with throwing around the "ignorant" tag. You should check your own mirror!
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        • Author by kromecom48 (June 01, 2009 11:23 am ET)
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          You've got my dander up based on the sheer stupidity of your post. I've noticed the dialogue here at MMFA to fairly thoughtful and courteous, as opposed the dialogue and posts at right wing sites where you'd probably be more comfortable.

          The expectation here is that you bring your best argument. You got nada? Your lack critical thinking skills and parroting of right wing B.S. without an original thought or ideas is so apparent, at least based on this post.

          If you are relying on the college drop-outs populating the a.m. radio band and Fox News for your information and current events you are indeed an idiot.

          Do your own research. Read/watch alternative media that don't validate your right to be stupid and maybe, MAYBE, you'll become part of the enlightenment.

          I say we simply call the kettle black on call you "27 percenters" exactly what you are: Toe-headed, slack-jawed, idiots.
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          • Author by Tbone Slickens (June 01, 2009 12:45 pm ET)
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            Wow. Five paragraphs (OK sentences) of saying nothing to the point. I'll help you out.

            While your dander is up, why don't you do a little research in to La Raza. They are the nice face that is palatable to your average left wing dunderhead but doesn't scratch the surface of the more radical groups they support with their influence and money.
            Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan, or Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan (MEChA)is one of these groups. Since I assume your dander is really starting to itch now, let's take a look at one of their leaders quotes:
            As Miguel Perez of Cal State-Northridge's MEChA chapter has been quoted as saying: "The ultimate ideology is the liberation of Aztlan. Communism would be closest [to it]. Once Aztlan is established, ethnic cleansing would commence: Non-Chicanos would have to be expelled -- opposition groups would be quashed because you have to keep power."


            Ethnic cleansing? Haven't heard that one thrown around since Bosnia. Yet you support this.

            I have to ask. Why isn't the "alternative media" carrying this story. This alone should disqualify Sotomayor. That it is not even being discussed is telling and that Barry O'Gump supports it is even more telling.
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          • Author by craig98607271 (June 01, 2009 2:12 pm ET)
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            you show em, start with thoughfull and courteous and end up with name calling. most polls put libs at 20% and concev's at 25-30%. i don't like either but stereotyping millions of people is a bit imature.
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        • Author by snoopy (June 01, 2009 12:22 pm ET)
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          Why aren't you calling Alito a racist? Why aren't you calling Thomas a racist? Could it be because you support republicans regardless of criminal or racist backgrounds? Does that make you a hipocrite as well as a closet racist? Should we trash you with the same utter contempt you reserve only for democrats?
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          • Author by magnolialover (June 01, 2009 12:27 pm ET)
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            I personally don't think Alito is a racist/sexist, but he should have explained his membership in that little club he was in.

            Thomas, definitely not a racist, but possibly a criminal/sexual harrasser.

            You'll have to excust T-Bone, I'm pretty sure, like most republicans/conservatives, that he's ignorant as to what the NCLR actually does. REmember, these are the same people who trash ACORN because they don't know what they do, same people who think the NAACP is ridiculous as well (I mean, we have a BLACK President after all! RACISM IS DEAD!), and whose worldview is influenced by talk radio, and talk radio only.
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            • Author by snoopy (June 01, 2009 12:48 pm ET)
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              I know that, I just want to see T-bone dance like a marionette as he tries to explain how two republicans who said the same thing or worse aren't also racists based on his faux opinion.
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          • Author by Tbone Slickens (June 01, 2009 12:51 pm ET)
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            Alito:


            "And so it's my job to apply the law. It's not my job to change the law or to bend the law to achieve any result."

            What Alito was saying is that it's his job to adjudicate fairly regardless of his background. Sotomayor, on the other hand, has a proven record of using the bench to create policy based on her own beliefs.

            Feel free to trash any and all that don't agree with you in the echo chamber. You'll get a few more "thumbs up" you can post in your basement and stroke your ego.
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            • Author by Brabantio (June 01, 2009 1:02 pm ET)
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              "In those 50 cases, the panel accepted the claim of race discrimination only three times. In all three cases, the panel was unanimous; in all three, it included a Republican appointee...In the 50 cases, the panel was unanimous in every one. There was a Republican appointee in 38, and these panels were all obviously unanimous as well. Thus, in the roughly 45 panel opinions rejecting claims of discrimination, Judge Sotomayor never dissented."

              And;

              "I am reminded each day that I render decisions that affect people concretely and that I owe them constant and complete vigilance in checking my assumptions, presumptions and perspectives and ensuring that to the extent that my limited abilities and capabilities permit me, that I reevaluate them and change as circumstances and cases before me requires. I can and do aspire to be greater than the sum total of my experiences but I accept my limitations. I willingly accept that we who judge must not deny the differences resulting from experience and heritage but attempt, as the Supreme Court suggests, continuously to judge when those opinions, sympathies and prejudices are appropriate."

              That's some "other hand" you have going there.
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            • Author by snoopy (June 01, 2009 1:41 pm ET)
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              Gee, another comment from Alito that is almost identical to one Sotomayor said during her last confirmation hearing. And just so you know, I don't trash any and all who don't agree with me. I only reserve that for people who are shown facts and decide to repeat the same lies ad nauseum anyways because they are so in hate with anyone who won't agree with them.
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          • Author by markbfoot199 (June 01, 2009 1:37 pm ET)
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            Snoopy, you would need to give examples of why would one. That is typical of you; make things up, no proof.
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            • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 01, 2009 1:51 pm ET)
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              That is typical of you; make things up, no proof.
              Mr Pot, meet Mr Kettle.
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              • Author by markbfoot199 (June 01, 2009 2:27 pm ET)
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                I was under the impression that you and Snoopy knew each other, but in the future I will only refer to you as Mr. Pot. I have a feeling that the name fits your lifestyle as well.
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            • Author by snoopy (June 01, 2009 1:55 pm ET)
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              You're projecting again about making things up. Just read Thomas' book "my grandfather's son" and you will find all sorts of comments like where Thomas asserts that law-firm recruiters simply dismissed his achievements and assumed he'd been given breaks on account of his race. And the Alito comment has already been posted.

              So there it is, now it's your turn to lump them into your charges of racism.
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          • Author by markbfoot199 (June 01, 2009 2:39 pm ET)
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            Again no proof, just noise from Mr. Kettle (formally AKA Snoopy). . That would be like me saying Obama is a Racist, or a Socialist and then say “did you not read the book?” It is all just noise until I can point to a page or a quote. SO, Mr. Kettle can you give us a quote or the page in the book you are using for your basis of a claim that SCJ Thomas is a racist, same for SCJ Alito.
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            • Author by snoopy (June 01, 2009 3:12 pm ET)
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              That was from his book, but I see instead of refuting it you chose to take the "show me the exact page it's written on and I will still refuse to believe you" route. No matter that in the book he describes Sen. Howell Heflin, D-Ala., as a "slave owner sitting on the porch of a plantation house." and has extensive chapters devoted to his distrust of "white power".

              So there you go, say it with me - by mark's definition, Alito (who said the exact same thing as Sotomayor) and Thomas are also racists. Which brings us to the next question - why are republicans being hipocrites by appointing known racists to the bench?
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    • Author by nativeofsf (June 01, 2009 8:45 am ET)
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      Somebody should tell these annoying buffoons they can't have their cake and eat it. They've demonstrated their piggish greed by the vomitus now enveloping America. And still they continue to lie.
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      • Author by MissDee (June 01, 2009 9:49 am ET)
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        Obviously this is another example of this forum's desire to stifle any dissenting opinion. Of COURSE no one can aska question that might even remotely challenge a liberal as havign any shortcomings at all.
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        • Author by princeofwheels (June 01, 2009 11:17 am ET)
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          But Miss Dee, how many times does a simple question have to be answered for a simple-mind to understand it?
          Answer: Until the childlike simpleton gets his/her way...TOO BAD!!! The question has been answered and your post is THE EXAMPLE of being a victim. If you want to make yourself a victim, you will stay a victim.
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        • Author by NiceguyEddie (June 01, 2009 12:09 pm ET)
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          This nonsense does not come close to "remotely challeng[ing] a liberal as havign any shortcomings at all." It's BS. And your lot just keeps spitting it out, long after it's been trampled to DEATH by reason and actual facts.

          If you have something legit, we'd all like to hear it. The problem is YOU DON'T. If anything, most of us have more problems with the many CONSERVTAIVE POSITIONS she's held over the years, and lament that Obama would pick such a MODERATE.

          If you morons weren't so busy trying to oppose ANY AND ALL Obama apointess for ANY (or NO) reason whatsoever, you might realize that this is as good as it gets for you. She's light years away from a bad pick, even from your POV, and if you had two brain cells to knock together (collectively) you'd be encoraging MORE picks like this one, so that Obama doesn't ever get tempted to appoint a REAL liberal the the bench, seeing as how you're going to smear them and fight tooth and nail, crying like infants anyway.
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          • Author by magnolialover (June 01, 2009 12:16 pm ET)
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            This is the point for certain. I've said it a bunch of times on here, and in other places.

            Question Sotomayor extensively, and at length during the confirmation hearings. If you want to come out against her, fine, but you had better have some backing information as to "why" you're going to do that, because if you don't your opinion just looks ignorant (I'm looking at you MissDee).

            Repeating the same far fetched and debunked talking points as "proof" of something is highly and audibly laughable.
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        • Author by snoopy (June 01, 2009 12:24 pm ET)
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          You are so right, Dee. We should be more open to dissenting opinions like liberty college, that outstanding paridigm of right wing christianity, and ban all college democratic organizations from campus in an effort to maintain freedom of speech.

          You rightwingers are soooooo predictable...
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          • Author by NiceguyEddie (June 01, 2009 12:55 pm ET)
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            My brother-in-law lives in LU's backyard, down in Lynchburg. We had a great view of the main building from our hotel room - LIBERTY UNIVERISTY in huge white letters. It was like a gleaming temple of ignorace.
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        • Author by magnolialover (June 01, 2009 12:29 pm ET)
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          What power of stifling does MMFA hold? As far as I know, they don't make laws on what can, and cannot be sain. Once again, you miss the mark as in being critical of someone's position is not saying that they don't have the right to have a position.

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      • Author by princeofwheels (June 01, 2009 11:19 am ET)
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        That may be 'Rushess Righterious Vomititus' which is sweeping the Righties.
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    • Author by raine315 (June 01, 2009 9:36 am ET)
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      New Racism? Is that similar to "terrorist fist bumping"? Oh Geez when is the FCC gonna pull the plug on those people over at Fixed News
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    • Author by dmhack (June 01, 2009 9:36 am ET)
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      New racism? Sure, why not? Beats the hell out of the old racism---denying people the right to vote, separate and unequal schools, water hoses, attack dogs, night rides, murder, beatings, slavery, backs of buses, limited job opportunities, and on and on.

      New racism is much more nuanced than the old version. Today the racists pose as TV bobbleheads and radio gasbags who happily point to outward instead of inward.

      The only thing that remains the same is that both the old and the new are still peddled by white people afraid of change.
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    • Author by raine315 (June 01, 2009 10:15 am ET)
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      by Tbone Slickens (27 minutes ago) 2
      Why isn't the left concerned with Sotomayor's membership in the racist NCLR?

      Why isn't the media covering her membership in NCLR?

      Why is Barry supporting a judge who is a member in NCLR and why hasn't he asked her to renounce her support of Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan?


      Funny that you mention NCLR...conservatives said the group is like a racist Latino KKK. KKK???? You do realize the killing of Dr. Tiller mirrors the awful killings the KKK used to do in churches. So yes, gunning down a abortion clinic doctor in his church(by a registered REPUPLICAN)mirrors the hate crimes of the KKK- something that NCLR HAS NEVER been involved in
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      • Author by markbfoot199 (June 01, 2009 2:52 pm ET)
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        Wilkinson was not aware that the gunman was screaming he is a Republican and that was why he gunned down the doctor. If I remember from what I read, he gunned down the doctor because he felt the doctor was committing murder when he was performing Abortions. He was also an individual that was not being supported by a local or national organization. Unlike La Raza who is an organization that supports many, many organizations or affiliated with many organizations that promote and carry out hate crimes against American daily. I guess you are ok with the acts of La Raza? The gunman should be punished and held to the law of the land, the gunman does not get to pick and chose which laws he gets to follow. He does not get to say killing a doctor is ok, and robbing a bank is not O.K. Unlike La Raza who is picking and choosing which laws it should follow.

        All of you should spend time on http://www.nclr.org, look into their affiliates and whom they support as well. Look into the schools they support and which laws they do and do not agree with and then you will understand more about this organization.
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        • Author by NiceguyEddie (June 01, 2009 3:24 pm ET)
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          Unlike La Raza who is an organization that supports many, many organizations or affiliated with many organizations that promote and carry out hate crimes against American daily.

          Proove this. (Or try to. You can't.) It's a gross exagerattion at best. You must be one of those people who still think Acorn committed Voter Fraud.
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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (June 01, 2009 11:21 am ET)
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      The more negar=tivity i hear from these windbags, the more I am strengthened in my belief this lady is a brilliant choice for Supreme Court justice. And believe me, I also thought judge Roberts was an excellent pick, after Bush 43 giot his bell rung with Harriet Myers..
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      • Author by wolf kotenberg (June 01, 2009 11:39 am ET)
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        and by the way, I.d like to hear from republican senators, who are up for reelection, how they feel about judge Sotomayor and if they haven't heard from her yet. They all seem to say in concert they have to wait for hearings before making up their minds. Excuse me but i expect more from you then political gibberish speak. You are not a freshman in college who hasn't figured out yet it is to your advantage to go to class with a gret knowledge of the subject matter.
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      • Author by magnolialover (June 01, 2009 12:20 pm ET)
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        I'll second that. Roberts was a good pick, mostly because his bona fides really could not be challenged at all. He has distinguished himself throughout his career, and I believe that he continues. Do I agree with all of the rulings that he takes a majority stake in? Probably not. Do I think he's a great legal mind? Absolutely.

        I even think that about Alito. Again, he had that little "bump" in the road during his Princeton years, but alas, I'd like to think that this was an immature mistake on his behalf, and that he's "matured" since then. Again, first rate legal mind.

        Sotomayor, is no different than Alito and Roberts. She deserves to be on the bench. She's worked hard her entire life to get there, and she will be seated. She is too well qualified to be denied by the republicans en masse. Will there be votes against her? Of course there will be, but she'll pass with flying colors.
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        • Author by wolf kotenberg (June 01, 2009 2:19 pm ET)
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          I was watching Red Eye last night for the heck of it and there was a Patti Ann Browne on who insisted judge Sotomayor was chosen as a reward, not because of her credentials. Patti, you are crazy. Have you forgotten why harriet Myers was nominated and turned out to be such a disaster ?
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