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Beck: It is "intellectually dishonest" to blame Olbermann for murder of soldier

June 02, 2009 2:07 pm ET

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From the June 2 edition of Premiere Radio Network's The Glenn Beck Program:

BECK: You know, what was it, yesterday or over the weekend? Bill O'Reilly was accused of practically taking the shell casings and packing bullets, loading the gun, driving the guy to church, and killing the abortion doctor in -- what was it -- Kansas. Bill O'Reilly was -- he might as well have been the triggerman according to the left, the blogs, the media. I don't know how many -- I don't know how many stories I read that said Bill O'Reilly and me, a guy who -- I don't think I mentioned this doctor, maybe a couple of times as it related to Sebelius -- I don't even think I mentioned him by name. Somehow or another I was also responsible for his death, and the media reported that.

Well, let me ask you this. I had to really search the news long and hard to find out about the two recruiters -- the two soldiers that had been killed by the Muslim convert, that were gunned down in Arkansas. I had to really look hard for that. Is anybody asking is Keith Olbermann responsible for the death of those two soldiers? Keith Olbermann has railed against recruiters. Keith Olbermann has railed against the baby killers that our U.S. soldiers are. He's railed against this war. MSNBC was right all over the story about how our troops are torturing and killing innocents. Has anybody asked if he's responsible?

By the way, the answer is no, he's not. Has anyone asked if he's responsible? No. Why? Because it's an intellectually dishonest question. It was dishonest when they did it about Bill O'Reilly, and it's dishonest if anybody does it with Keith Olbermann. The only ones that were responsible for the guy who is killing the abortion doctor in Kansas is the guy who killed the abortion doctor in Kansas. The only one that was responsible for killing the two soldiers in Arkansas is the Muslim convert crazy nutjob that killed the two soldiers in Arkansas.

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    • Author by nerzog (June 02, 2009 2:11 pm ET)
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      Has Kieth Olbermann ever called our soldiers "baby killers"? Can somebody produce that quote?

      Did Glenn forget to fact-check again?
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      • Author by TheThief672 (June 02, 2009 2:19 pm ET)
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        Does Beck "ever" fact check?
        I don't even think that "Kill Bill" O'Reilly fact checks.
        He just castigates people that follow the law.
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      • Author by shaggles (June 02, 2009 2:21 pm ET)
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        He doesn't need to 'fact check' because he 'heart checks.' Or is that Stephen Colbert? It's so easy to get those 2 confused.
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        • Author by phredicles (June 02, 2009 3:13 pm ET)
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          Naw, Stephen checks his gut.
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        • Author by snoopy (June 02, 2009 4:00 pm ET)
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          Beck has no heart.
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          • Author by pjcarter (June 02, 2009 4:05 pm ET)
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            And no brain!
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            • Author by goshzilla (June 02, 2009 4:23 pm ET)
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              and no gut.
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              • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 02, 2009 5:02 pm ET)
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                Beck could have gone to the Wizard of Oz all by himself with Dorothy, and he really would have needed the heart, the brain, and the courage. No way he would have already had them.
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                • Author by magnolialover (June 02, 2009 5:07 pm ET)
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                  True enough. He could have been all 3 at once.
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                • Author by Brabantio (June 03, 2009 12:57 am ET)
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                  That's not only a straw man argument, but you're lion on top of it. I woods mantin that your case cannot be taken seriously in toto.
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      • Author by robyn20094113 (June 03, 2009 5:44 am ET)
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        I bet they can not produce an example of Kieth Olbermann distorting a story or lying to prove his point either. When he does bring Glenn, Rush, Sean or Billo up it is to point out their outrageous mean behavior and deliberate lies to mislead their seemingly dimwitted followers.
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    • Author by magnolialover (June 02, 2009 2:13 pm ET)
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      Olberman has railed against the US military? Really Beck? Where? Did Olberman call for the US miltiary to be stopped by any means? If so, where?

      Show is the proof that Olberman's rhetoric is as heated as yours, and we might believe you, but I don't think that you can do that.

      The guy who gunned down the 2 recruiters was a religious fanatic, and in that fact, he had a lot more in common with the guy that gunned down the Doctor than he did with any liberal, or Olberman.
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      • Author by TheThief672 (June 02, 2009 2:24 pm ET)
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        "The World is divided into armed camps ready to commit genocide just because we can't agree on whose fairy tales to believe. In the end, Religion will kill us all." -- Ed Krebs
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        • Author by magnolialover (June 02, 2009 3:01 pm ET)
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          True enough. Which is why I've decided that atheism is the way for me.
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          • Author by Brabantio (June 03, 2009 11:12 am ET)
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            You can be religious without subscribing to organized religion, though. I don't think faith in itself is dangerous as much as letting someone use it to direct your behavior.
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    • Author by budrykzp9226 (June 02, 2009 2:16 pm ET)
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      Hey, remember when Olbermann had his producer harass people military recruiters? That sure was unconscionable. Oh! And remember when Olbermann openly called for people to take the law into their own hands if they lived near a military recruiter? What a monster.
      Seriously, Beck, don't talk about things you don't understand. Specifically, intellect or honesty.
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      • Author by wzwriter (June 02, 2009 5:02 pm ET)
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        Seriously, Beck, don't talk about things you don't understand. Specifically, intellect or honesty.

        I hope he takes your advice. Then we'd never hear from that worthless scumbag again.
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    • Author by Victor Colorado (June 02, 2009 2:18 pm ET)
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      "Keith Olbermann has railed against the baby killers that our U.S. soldiers are."

      WHAT???????
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      • Author by phredicles (June 02, 2009 3:18 pm ET)
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        Hey, look: "that our soldiers are": GLENN BECK JUST CALLED OUR SOLDIERS BABY KILLERS!!!!!!!!!! How DARE he? *sniff* I'm just tearing up here because I love our men & women in uniform so much, and Glenn Beck thinks they're baby killers. *sob*
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    • Author by harley (June 02, 2009 2:20 pm ET)
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      Has anybody asked if he's responsible?


      Actually, yes, your fellow terrorist teabagging terrorists are blaming NBC and Soros.

      Ingraham and O’Reilly: MSNBC and progressive blogs are responsible for attack on Army recruiting center.
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      • Author by magnolialover (June 02, 2009 3:02 pm ET)
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        Which is wrong, because why would a religious fundamentalist radical look at liberal blogs and go off what liberals are saying?

        Again, this guy is a lot closer in nature to the guy who shot the doctor than any liberal that I know.
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    • Author by harley (June 02, 2009 2:21 pm ET)
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      Keith Olbermann has railed against recruiters.


      Wrong.

      Keith Olbermann has railed against the baby killers that our U.S. soldiers are.


      Wrong.

      He's railed against this war.


      The majority of the Country does not support this war.


      MSNBC was right all over the story about how our troops are torturing and killing innocents.


      Wrong.
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    • Author by nerzog (June 02, 2009 2:22 pm ET)
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      Well, we know one Troglodyte who will make the WPITW list tonight, or maybe even the WTF? segment.
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      • Author by dmhack (June 02, 2009 2:43 pm ET)
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        Yeah, you're probably right although I wish he wouldn't. I'm getting kind of tired of all the face time Olbermann gives Daisy Beck.
        I think if I were in Olbermann's shoes, I'd be talking to a lawyer. Daisy Beck can't prove his assertion because it's a lie---a lie designed to deflect attention from Bill's numerous and well-documented attacks on Dr. Hiller.
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    • Author by Daniel Barber (June 02, 2009 2:23 pm ET)
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      More lies from a serial liar. Keith Olbermann has never called our troops baby killers. Keith Olbermann has reported honestly and fairly about the war and about the torture claims made against our soldiers.

      Bill O'Lielly and Glenn Beck, on the other hand (and he can try and deny his involvment all he wants, but there is VIDEO of it right here on this site) were both culpable in creating a climate of hatred that lent credence to the psycho nutcase who shot Dr. Tiller in believing his actions were justified.

      They did this by demonizing Dr. Tiller to the Nth degree, calling him "Tiller, the Baby Killer" at every opportunity. By, in O'Lielly's case (even as he wiggled his way out of doing so illegally by immediately saying he's not REALLY advocating vigilantism), saying he wishes he could hurt the Doctor. By lying through their teeth over and over again saying that Dr. Tiller was performing ILLEGAL abortions even up to hours prior to the fetus being born (this is so heinously untrue and they know it, since NO abortions are allowed after 27 weeks in Kansas). I'm guessing they believe all their viewers are too friggin stupid to realize that hours before a birth (9 months), is nearly 40 weeks. They constantly spouted rhetoric that Dr. Tiller was a mass murderer, ran a "death" mill, executed babies on demand, etc.

      No, neither Bill or Beck are culpable in any way for this nutjob thinking what he was doing was justifiable. No, they're as innocent as can be. They're as pure as the driven snow.

      Like hell they are. They've got blood on their hands. While not legally culpable, they are as morally guilty as if they WERE the ones who'd pulled the trigger. And while I'm an agnostic, I have to say that if there is a God, if there is a heaven and a hell, they'll be burning in a special horrid place in the latter for their heinous sins.
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    • Author by wookie (June 02, 2009 2:27 pm ET)
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      So many lies, so little time.

      >>Bill O'Reilly was accused of practically taking the shell casings and packing bullets, loading the gun, driving the guy to church, and killing the abortion doctor in -- what was it -- Kansas.

      Um, no. He was accused of being an opportunistic jerk who appealled to the lowest common denominator for ratings.

      >>By the way, the answer is no, he's not. Has anyone asked if he's responsible? No. Why? Because it's an intellectually dishonest question.

      Especially since the shooter wasn't part of any peace or liberal/ Democratic group.



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    • Author by goesto11 (June 02, 2009 2:27 pm ET)
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      It ought to be against the law for Glenn Beck to use any form of the word "intellectual."

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      • Author by wzwriter (June 02, 2009 5:32 pm ET)
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        It ought to be against the law for Glenn Beck to exist.
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    • Author by christopher howard (June 02, 2009 2:32 pm ET)
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      So by Beck's standard, all those screaming Mullahs who rail on about the Satanic US are now morally off the hook for any terrorist attacks. As long as you're not the "triggerman," Beck says you're in the clear.
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    • Author by Sam Wesley (June 02, 2009 2:32 pm ET)
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      Keith Olbermann is a Phony...
      How many times did he rail and rant against Bill o reilly and rush Limbaugh? If keith cuts out his hate ranting against bill and rush, no one would watch his show...and he knows that...now god forbid if some leftwing nutjob kills either bill or rush..will olbermann take responsibility for that...this guy who rants against Conservatives just for ratings has the guts to say that bill who is saying what he believes has encouraged murder?
      Keith Olbermann is a Joke....now you watch and see his ratings collapse now that he wont rant about oreilly anymore...
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      • Author by magnolialover (June 02, 2009 3:27 pm ET)
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        You won't find that many fans of Olberman on this website I almost guarantee you that.

        That being said. Keith rants against O'Reilly and Limbaugh, but he tends to make fun of them, and rants against them. When has he said he'd like to get his hands around their necks? Because, it's not the same. Keith hasn't proclaimed that Limbaugh and O'Reilly have blood on their hands and all. He hasn't called them killers and murderers as O'Reilly called the doc.

        Your comparison is false because Olberman is not preaching or screeching about hate and getting his hands around their necks, or "taking action".

        It's not so much what O'Reilly believes, it's how he STATES it, which is the point that you're missing. Using such incendiary language against someone who is not a public person is putting said person into the crosshairs of the more radical elements of the right wing. You don't think O'Reilly calling this guy a murderer and killer didn't bring MORE people out there to protest?
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        • Author by dmhack (June 03, 2009 5:31 am ET)
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          Sorry, Magnolialover, but I don't mind Olbermann.
          He doesn't scream at his guests or shut off their mics. Sure, sometimes he may get a little caught up in his purple prose, but at least he puts some effort into what he says. His latest addition--the bouncing Rush--makes me chuckle and I guess that's the chief difference. Keith has a sense of humor where Bill has none. Keith doesn't beat down people who disagree with him or, for that matter, send someone out to ambush them.
          Yes, he does make fun of Fox and all its bobbleheads, but so do I and most of the people who post here.
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        • Author by epkklk851 (June 04, 2009 12:25 pm ET)
             
          Speak for yourself. Big Olbermann fan here.
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      • Author by captfoster2 (June 02, 2009 3:48 pm ET)
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        "now you watch and see his ratings collapse now that he wont rant about O'Reilly anymore..."

        Actually... I see his ratings skyrocketing if in fact he sticks to his promise of not bothering with BillO anymore in humorous ways...

        I'll miss those days of course, but I agree with Keith that he should not waste time on a piece of crap like Bill O'Reilly!
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      • Author by jbrantow (June 02, 2009 4:18 pm ET)
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        Sam Wesley sounds a little jealous that the liberals have a spokesman that actually is intelligent, has a personality and isn't ranting bigot.
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      • Author by worrierking (June 02, 2009 4:25 pm ET)
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        Where do you guys come from?

        Do you get paid by the post or by the hour?
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      • Author by nerzog (June 02, 2009 4:44 pm ET)
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        I like Olbermann just fine... he's twice as intelligent as any of the cretins on the right, and he doesn't have to lie to get his point across.

        He doesn't really need O'Reilly since he's got the Rush/Hannity/Beck comedy tour to make fun of.

        Limbaugh and Beck alone will provide enough material for the rest of the season; don't worry about Olbermann's ratings.
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        • Author by magnolialover (June 02, 2009 5:10 pm ET)
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          I've only watched his show a handful of times, but from what I have seen, he normally might, maybe, spend a minute or 2 dissing Bill O and FoxNews, but most of the rest of the show he spends on news stories, and some silly stories as well. In the times in the past when I've seen his show, his "ranting" that he's accused of all of the time by our right wing friends is normally limited to his closing statement, or the WPITW segment, which lasts a couple of minutes.

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          • Author by nerzog (June 02, 2009 5:32 pm ET)
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            That's pretty much it. Now, I won't deny that he leans left; and I don't think he would deny it either. However, I would put his "truthiness" up against the morons at FOX any time.
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          • Author by snoopy (June 02, 2009 6:00 pm ET)
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            I've always thought of him more like a left leaning Paul Harvey.
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      • Author by mjh (June 02, 2009 6:27 pm ET)
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        Keith Olbermann is a Phony...
        How many times did he rail and rant against Bill o reilly and rush Limbaugh?        - Sam Wesley


        Ranting and railing against Bull OhReally and Rush Limpballs hasn't gotten anyone murdered . . . plus, there's this little thing called the First Amendment {as much as you wingnuts don't like it, it applies to lefties, too} . . .
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    • Author by Wasilla Hillbilly (June 02, 2009 2:34 pm ET)
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      yeah, i think mr beck is reaching.....again.
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    • Author by worrierking (June 02, 2009 4:24 pm ET)
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      Doesn't one have to know the definition of the word "intellectually" before using it in a sentence?

      I do know that Beck understands the word "dishonest" though.
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    • Author by open_mind (June 02, 2009 4:27 pm ET)
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      "Well, let me ask you this. I had to really search the news long and hard to find out about the two recruiters -- the two soldiers that had been killed by the Muslim convert, that were gunned down in Arkansas. I had to really look hard for that."

      Well don't look now Glenn, but it is on the front page of usatoday.com, cnn.com, msnbc.com and abcnews.go.com - and those were the first four websites I even checked. The "liberal" media are doing a downright awful job keeping this a secret. What is up with those guys?

      Seriously, you would have to be a complete moron not to find these stories on the homepage of every news organization I have checked.

      links:
      http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2009-06-01-army-recruiter-killed_N.htm
      http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/02/arkansas.recruiter.shooting/index.html
      http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31068479/
      http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=7732467&page=1
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      • Author by magnolialover (June 02, 2009 5:12 pm ET)
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        These guys ALWAYS do this. Say that something isn't even being reported on, their minions believe them without checking for themselves, and lo and behold, said story they are usually preaching about it not being covered, is, like you point out, on the front page of whatever source they normally cite isn't talking about it (normally the DREADED NY Times).

        These guys are idiots, and they rely on people less intellectually curious than say, George W. Bush, to make their ratings go up, and worship them.
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        • Author by open_mind (June 02, 2009 6:07 pm ET)
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          Good point. I forgot about the old devil. Just went to the nytimes.com website. What do you know? On the homepage there as well: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/03/us/03recruit.html?_r=1&hp

          Beck spends almost the entire length of his show talking about things he does not understand at all and just making up stuff while using cartoony voices to keep the intellectuality index high.

          This morning Beck was also ranting about we are supposedly living in the "Weimar Republic" due to Treasury printing money. The funny thing is that the Weimar Republic preceded Hitler. Beck frequently makes mind-numbingly stupid analogies between Obama and Hitler/Nazi's, but if we are in the Weimar Republic, how can Obama be Hitler? Wouldn't Hitler be the next guy we elect to pick up all of the supposed pieces after Obama in Beck's troubled little mind?
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    • Author by open_mind (June 02, 2009 4:40 pm ET)
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      Going strictly off of the article's title, I would have to say WITH? It IS completely "intellectually dishonest" to blame Olbermann for murder of a soldier using Beck's strawman argument.
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    • Author by Conchobhar (June 02, 2009 5:29 pm ET)
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      This is a preemptive strike, IMHO. Beck's hoping to keep the spotlight in KO, so we won't remember that, a few weeks ago, he basically exonerated right-wing murderers because they were so "frustrated" at not being listened too. The logic being that democracy tilts (or should tilt) right, and that the idea that "elections have consequences" is only acceptable if his side comes out on top.
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      • Author by Conchobhar (June 02, 2009 5:32 pm ET)
           
        Whoops! "...listened to. Double trouble. Ended sentence with a preposition, and used the wrong dumn one.
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        • Author by eweston8542983 (June 02, 2009 7:10 pm ET)
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          Postemptive wrist slap duly authorised. One for self as well for spelling it dooly recently...Ow!
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    • Author by squire4954 (June 02, 2009 6:18 pm ET)
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      Beck calls himself a good "Mormon"

      A basic tenet of the Mormon faith is:

      "We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men . . ."

      Being one of the most most "dishonest" commentators in the business (e.g. his responses on the "View" and comments like these)sure set a GREAT EXAMPLE for persons who share his faith!
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      • Author by magnolialover (June 03, 2009 10:22 am ET)
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        Mormonism is ridiculous, just basing that on how the "religion" came about.

        That being said, most Mormons I have known have been very nice people. I like the people, and think the religion is stupid.
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        • Author by Conchobhar (June 03, 2009 10:28 am ET)
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          You mean their first prophet was talking to a piece of flaming foliage?
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    • Author by CommonSense (June 02, 2009 6:27 pm ET)
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      It's too bad MediaMatters can't put up the entire audio, it would be a good story if you had it in context, but then again I guess if you're into censorship and you know your readers don't check their facts you'll be all right.
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      • Author by magnolialover (June 03, 2009 10:23 am ET)
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        Umm, they did, but that's OK. Keep saying it, maybe some day, it might be true.

        And it's not censorship. You guys have a weird defintion of such things.
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      • Author by open_mind (June 03, 2009 11:34 pm ET)
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        What do you think MMFA is leaving out? I heard most of this show on my drive to work. There is no larger context that improves how stupid Beck looks here.

        Beck's show is usually him using silly voices and having imaginary, non-sensical, contradictory and/or misleading or false "facts" strewn around in his one man conversations.

        You can tell Beck has no idea what he is talking about as must be the case of the people who regularly listen to him as well.
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    • Author by paul8616 (June 02, 2009 7:15 pm ET)
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      This from the guy who faked an immolation of another human being on TV?
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    • Author by epkklk851 (June 03, 2009 11:48 am ET)
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      What Glenn doesn't understand is that you can be opposed to the war without being against soldiers or ever having called them baby-killers. I am opposed to the war, but I realize that the service members who are deployed fighting the war are following legally constituted orders and they may have to kill to protect themselves from very real threats. I would like to have them home to serve their country in a peacetime military. I am occasionally empassioned in my opposition to the Bush Administration, I think their policy was wrong and occasionally illegal, but I never advocated for their deaths, nor did I call them baby-killers. Beck and O'Reilly have demonized the late doctor and the people from ACORN, and when the doctor was killed, they gave non-apology apologies that still condemned the doctor's work. I think that Glenn is the only one who is being dishonest here, intellectually as well as factually.
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    • Author by papabear45 (June 03, 2009 9:30 pm ET)
         
      Beck kinda reminds me of the man who stands in front of wendy's every sunday yelling about how monsters are stealing his thought and whales will become the new rats (true story)
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