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Tamron Hall tells Buchanan: "Doors have been closed on me because I'm a black woman"

June 03, 2009 4:47 pm ET

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    • Author by TheThief672 (June 03, 2009 5:00 pm ET)
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      Why does MSNBC continue to seek the advice of this idiot?
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      • Author by SteveRiverson162410 (June 03, 2009 11:15 pm ET)
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        Because he lays the smack down on people, and he's right on some issues. I think people are confusing with what Pat is saying. He is simply saying, whites are ALSO being discriminated against, while MSNBC's anchors are saying not true. Pat is saying no discrimination is right, but people see it as him saying he is for colored-discrimination but against white-discrimination.

        Pat is basically saying: WAKE UP - Whites are get discriminated too! And he is right. No discrimination is right!
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    • Author by pointofview (June 03, 2009 5:04 pm ET)
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      And the story here is what?? Tamron praises Pat, and says she worked her butt off to get where she is. So what is the miss info here??
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    • Author by seeryer (June 03, 2009 5:12 pm ET)
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      Tamron,
      Give yourself more credit. You are 39 years old and on a Cable News Network every day. Shuster is 3 years older and is your co-host. Many doors have been closed to every single person in the U.S. who was not born into wealth. It seems you have done a pretty good job Tamron.
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      • Author by Preston (June 03, 2009 5:17 pm ET)
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        Sure, doors have been closed on everyone, but there weren't laws in the books to purposely segregated and disenfranchised those others who weren't born into wealth as it were for people of color.

        Tamron did give herself credit, she mentioned she worked her butt off to get where she's at. She was answering Pat's question, and I felt she did a great job at making him "somewhat" see another person's point of view on this from a minority perspective.
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        • Author by seeryer (June 03, 2009 7:06 pm ET)
             
          Pat is not paid to see anyone else's point of view. He is there to be the right wing lightning rod on MSNBC. And Tamron loves the guy as she says. I am not sure Tamron Hall should have held herself up as a symbol of doors being closed for African Americans. I am sure there have been many doors closed on African American women in America who wish they were hosting a show on cable TV for two hours a day. I guess that is all I was trying to say.
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          • Author by Preston (June 03, 2009 7:37 pm ET)
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            But Pat directly asked her a question about her personal experience just so he can make a similar argument as to what happened to the fireman. No, it's not her job to change his mind about anything, but it is her job to challenge his misinformation, and since she is black and has intimate experience with the subject at hand, I felt she did her job by informing and refereeing. Pat asked her a question, and she was honest about it. I don't see it as holding herself as a symbol more than just answering Pat that racism/sexism does exist, and people are denied opportunities because of it, despite living in a presumably post-racial/post-whatever America.

            Anyway, I think we basically agree with each other here, I don't want you to think that I'm pickin' on you or anything. I've heard others say that Pat is actually a lovable guy if you don't discuss politics with him. I can see that. It's one of the reasons why I call him Uncle Pat, because he's like an old Uncle that is endearing but a relic of the past, and because of that, embarrassing at times. I actually like it when he debates Rachel Maddow because she often dismantles his arguments, and it's very entertaining and informative.
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            • Author by seeryer (June 04, 2009 11:23 am ET)
                 
              "I've heard others say that Pat is actually a lovable guy if you don't discuss politics with him. I can see that. It's one of the reasons why I call him Uncle Pat"

              He just seems harmless to me. I don't expect people to agree with me or think the way I do but of all the right wingers on TV and radio Pat is the least repulsive to me.
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    • Author by Preston (June 03, 2009 5:12 pm ET)
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      Hush up, Tamron, and stop that whinnin'! You're playing the victim! Racism is a thing of the past and it's all in your mind! Stop listening to your leaders Sharpton and Jackson, pull ya'self up by your bootstraps, put that chin up and push forward. We don't need to hear about your stinkin' stories about your struggles! Everyone struggle! We have a black president now, we're beyond race, so no more stories about doors being "closed" on you!
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      • Author by snoopy (June 03, 2009 5:21 pm ET)
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        neo-racism -- anyone who believes we have not achieved racial equality despite years of efforts and work to level the playing field, can be considered a racist.

        I'm really liking that term!
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        • Author by Preston (June 03, 2009 5:31 pm ET)
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          I'm lovin' it! Definitely going to use it in the future!
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      • Author by VirginiaTagz (June 03, 2009 5:21 pm ET)
           
        Just be quiet please. this is the most ignorant thing I've heard all day and I've seen all of todays Limbaugh clips. disappear into cyberspace for me.
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      • Author by overmars jr. (June 03, 2009 6:41 pm ET)
           
        America is beyond race?

        Hmmm. And what color is the sky in this alternate universe?
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    • Author by VirginiaTagz (June 03, 2009 5:22 pm ET)
         
      Tamron is my future wife.
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    • Author by foghornleghorn (June 03, 2009 5:35 pm ET)
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      Doors may have been closed on Tamron, but they were quickly re-opened when it was realized that she's quite H-O-T!
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      • Author by Preston (June 03, 2009 5:40 pm ET)
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        Yes, yes, yes! She could turn a gay man (i.e. me) straight!
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      • Author by Luis81 (June 03, 2009 6:13 pm ET)
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        That's actually an interesting topic.Would Tamron be where she's at if she was un-attractive?Would Sotomayor's nomination be easier to swallow for Rush,Buchanan if she were J-Lo hot?It must be extremely difficult for any un-attractive woman to achieve thier dreams.
        Remember people this may not be a white man's world anymore but it is still a man's world.
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        • Author by budrykzp9226 (June 03, 2009 6:29 pm ET)
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          But if THAT were true, there would be some record of right-wingers making hateful remarks about, say, Hillary Clinton's appearance! What an outlandish idea!
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          • Author by Luis81 (June 03, 2009 6:51 pm ET)
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            I see your point on the topic of Hillary,however it is not an outlandish idea to think that attractive women have an easier time in their professional goals than an un-attractive woman.
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        • Author by Preston (June 03, 2009 6:43 pm ET)
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          That's true, but we also have to remember that the most charished and celebrated woman in American TV History is a black woman in her mid 50s who was born in Mississippi; a woman who first made a name for himself by playing a stout, ragged, take-no-bullsh** black woman Mrs. Sophia in "The Color Purple". Now, I happen to think Oprah Winfrey is beautiful in a motherly/spiritually sort of way, but she's not Tamron Hall hot, though!
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          • Author by Luis81 (June 03, 2009 6:58 pm ET)
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            There will always be exceptional people over-coming the odds,but that doesn't change the fact that the odds are there in the first place.
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            • Author by Preston (June 03, 2009 7:26 pm ET)
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              Oh, I agree with you there. I guess I was playing Devil's Advocate there for a bit.
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              • Author by Luis81 (June 03, 2009 7:36 pm ET)
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                I liked your example however.I think Oprah is a wonderful role-model for young women,white,black,red,yellow or brown.
                Hard-working and determined.
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          • Author by MickD (June 04, 2009 7:47 am ET)
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            I always like to bring up this example about Oprah. Could you imagine any entertainment board room in the 1950's, and they bring baby Oprah in and say "gentleman, this baby will be the most powerful person in show business when she's an adult." After the tears of laughter would die down, they would symbolically throw out the baby with the bathwater.
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      • Author by Dem02020 (June 03, 2009 6:41 pm ET)
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        I was going to type out a bunch of words here, but then I saw your comment expressing essentially what it is I'd have said... and sure, the shortest sentence is a sentence of just one word, and the third shortest word is the three letter word : she's HOT!

        Also, it's amusing when someone so obviously blessed with good looks and with eyes and facial expressions (particularly the expressions of the mouth, whether simply smiling or especially when speaking), blessed in such a physical way as to say they were not only photogenic and "telegenic", but probably in the top one percentile of all people in this regard, even in the top one percentile of all show business people!

        ...it's amusing that she would say doors were closed to her because of anything to do with her appearance.

        Actually, I'm suddenly not amused, I'm suddenly sort of angry, that she'd reach into the bottom of the racial barrel like that, for no good or real reason.

        Suddenly now I'd want to laugh right in her beautiful face for saying that, and even ridicule her for bringing race into it...

        Never mind that... yep, she sure is hot!

        We need to keep an eye open on this phenomena... the other cable channels and all of television too, are likely to pick up on this, and make a trend out of putting fabulously good looking women (and men too) on television!
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    • Author by fantagor (June 03, 2009 7:07 pm ET)
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      In 2009, we are at a cultural crossroad. Obama's ascension is both a moment of triumph in American history and an opportunity for people to falsely declare racism/sexism/discrimination of any ilk a thing of the past, which oddly enough leads some to play the "reverse" racism card (there is no such thing; racism is racism, period). The idea of equality is at best an abstraction applied as equality under the law. No one would argue we are all equal in intelligence and abilities. I'm 5'5", so I get that basketball isn't my thing. But most people don't have the patience and discipline to earn a black belt or the imagination to write three books.

      All I’m saying is that all of us, being vastly different, are all subject to discrimination of one kind or another. Some of it is deserved and appropriate (e.g., I don't make the basketball team), some of it is prejudicial and inappropriate (e.g., denying a loan based on skin color, creed, etc.). The hard part is discriminating which type of discrimination you are dealing with. Pat makes a good point that young minorities have only history to draw on when it comes to truly vile discrimination. I mean, a sneer from a Korean cashier isn’t racism. It’s a sneer. You can still shop there, and nobody is asking you to get to the back of the store. On the other hand, to imply that racism has simply disappeared is insincere. It has just mutated to a less obvious and less outspoken creature lurking in the workplace, the admissions office. So I’m in the class of people that sees merits on both sides of the story. But statistics don’t lie. Women still make less than men, and minorities are still underrepresented in certain professions, and one black man as president isn’t a trend. It’s a wild exception to a long standing rule.

      Randy
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    • Author by paul8616 (June 04, 2009 1:52 am ET)
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      Here's what Pat Buchanan knows:

      He knows you can't let anyone talk sense if your agenda is to create a narrative out of whole cloth. Thus, he interrupts everybody, especially Ian at the end.

      He's a terrible person.
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