Juan Williams invokes Civil Rights Movement in defending O'Reilly in Tiller controversy
June 15, 2009 10:22 pm ET
From the June 15th edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor:
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That's how bad it is.
I have C&P my question & their response below:
Subject: Juan Williams - Your hidden little secret. It's a disgrace!
Body: This bothers me: NPR bosses informed Juan Williams in February 2009, that he was not allowed to be identified as an NPR contributor when making his O'Reilly appearances. Besides the fact that I think Juan Williams, during his appearances on the O'Reilly factor has misinformed the public quite deliberately on many occasions. I think you know that. I think you don't want your station to be associated with someone so capable of deceiving the public so readily.
I consider your stance on this to be entirely unethical. If NPR's management doesn't want Juan Williams to be associated with NPR then they have a simple and transparent solution: Stop paying him to do commentary for their stations. By continuing to employ him and then censoring how he refers to himself on other outlets, all you are doing is attempting to hide information about one of your 'senior correspondents' from the larger public. They get to disassociate themselves from the more negative elements of their employee's rhetoric while continuing to embrace that employee's commentary on other matters.
This is NOT about Race(I feel that unfortunately, I must say this more and more in this society, I am a black woman. this is about a man that is helping fan the flames of lies told by Bill O'Reilly, not really worthy of working for your establishment.
NPR's RESPONSE:
Thank you for contacting the NPR Office of the Ombudsman. We appreciate your feedback on NPR's Juan Williams.
NPR staff is held to a strict code of ethics and practices. These standards are in place to protect and support the integrity, impartiality and conduct of our journalists. We encourage you to review the code, which is posted online.
Because of their roles for multiple media outlets, several listeners have contacted us to learn more about Juan's professional involvement at NPR and elsewhere.
NPR News Analyst Juan Williams is also a contributing political analyst for the FOX News Channel and a regular panelist on FOX News Sunday.
It is not uncommon for NPR reporters to appear on other networks, such as CNN and PBS. The integrity of both Williams and Liasson have been carefully vetted by NPR staff, and their extensive knowledge in journalism has qualified each of them to fulfill their given roles. I encourage you to view their biographies on NPR.org.
Juan Williams
On the NPR website you can also find the column by NPR's Ombudsman in which she addresses these issues.
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Dcmurphy1515: Well now make up your own mind...
Tiller did 60,000 abortions? A 1,000 a day for 60 years?
Anyone remember that the State of Kansas had determined that Tiller's medical procedures were all proper?
One would think that with the cold blooded murder of Dr. Tiller, you'd refrain from your pathetic, tasteless, lying.
Eric Rudolph, Scott Roeder, Michael Griffin, Paul Jennings Hill, John Salvi, and James Kopp are cold blooded murders who killed innocent people for simply doing their job!
He can't refrain from his pathetic, tastless lying because he's pathetic and tasteless.
To these so-called Christians, even the secretaries killed by Salvi and Major James Barrett (Britton's escort) that was murdered by Hill were just as guilty of "infanticide."
I keep waiting for these nuts to shoot a woman for having a miscarriage.
No, actually with fairliberal, one would expect it.
Abortion is legal, you hick. Don't let facts and reality stand in the way of your defense of a murderer-enabler like O'Racist.
Baseline claim as usual. No surprise coming from a terrorist teabagger.
Provide proof.
We're waiting...
I swear O'Reilly himself must have been posting here last night as one of the trolls. O'Reilly used the term "mullahs" and one of the trolls repeated that very inaccurate usage when they should have used "ayatollahs".
Putting aside your obviously lack of objectivity (big surprise, coming from you) that would amont to 3650 per year is he worked EVERY SIGLE DAY OF THE YEAR. (Have YOU ever found ANY doctor that does?) It would still take 16 years to achieve that. OK... so assume he took a few days off (like weekends) (because anyone who hadn't taken a day of in 16 years really WOULD be a killer; but the kind that would be in a clock tower in their underwear with a machine gun) and you're down to about 2000 a year - 30 years to reach 60,000. And he was 61 when he was killed. So at least it's possible, which for you is doing pretty well, but you are still assuming he did NOTHING else, and we know this to be false. As to the whole "modern medical center" thing (that makes the 10 a day possible?) That actually undermines your claims (which is fairly common for you - actually providing evidence in your post that refutes your claims) because they way these center achinve this level of service is to have multiple physicians. If he was doing 10 a day, it's ludicrous to assume that he's doing everything himself.
What's more, even his most strident critics - the very ones who brought the legal suit - only accused him of violating the law a mere 19 times. A lot, but only 0.000003% of the number that gets bandied about - 60K. And the court found that he in fact HAD NOT VIOLATED the law.
So again... You're still left defending vigilantes who couldn't CHANGE the law, so the took it into their own hands and killed a man FOR NO REASON AT ALL. (It's one thing to kill a criminal, but this man commiteed no crime!) You may not like what Dr. Tiller did, but for all your hyperbolic ranting, it [abortion] can't bring down society. Violent lynch mobs, killing anyone they disagree with, in violation of the law, just because they don't like the law, or the system that makes it ahrd for them to change it, on the oethr hand, is EXACTLY what brings down societies. You are advocating for anarchy and chaos. I hope you own a helmet.
Look... You LOST the election. So just STFU, huh?
In 1997, the Guttmacher Institute estimated the number of abortions in the U.S. past 24 weeks to be 0.08%, or approximately 1,032 per year.
Although Dr. Tiller was one of a few doctors who performed late term abortions, he wasn't the only doctor who provided this service.
BTW I think we should go with anti-abortion instead of pro-life, since the anti-abortion foes are only concerned that the fetus is not aborted, they do not care about, or provide care for, the children who are not aborted. I may not like abortion but; I do believe in a womans right to choose. If we want to limit abortions, work on educating people so that they don't get pregnant, unless they want to.
And, before some wingnut pops off here, fetuses do not obtain civil rights until they become persons, which happens at birth. So STFU with your ignorance before you display it and make fools of yourselves.
What some people won't do for money.
Now, why don't you explain why O'Reilly hasn't criticized any of the women who have, of their own legal choice, had abortions? Tiller was doing his job, but those women actually had to travel to his office and have the procedure. And yet he's not calling them baby killers. Now why would that be?
What on Earth is he on about now???
And for crying out loud, O'Reilly is arguing with the guy who lamely tries to defend him.
Oh wait, that's just a dream concocted by the Fokkk News organization.
Will work for crap.
to be honest, they make me sick and Juan Williams does as well. He allows himself to be the token liberal black man at Fox where they pretend his opinion is valued and all he has to do in return is be a good little listener and disagree when they tell him to. He should be ashamed of himself.
I never did understand how someone could be "pro-life" as well as pro-war and pro-death penalty. I am pro-choice, anti-war, and anti-death penalty, yet because I support a woman in one of the most painful decisions she will probably ever make in her life, wingnuts say I have blood on my hands.
O'Reilly tried to make Joan Walsh out to be a poor Catholic because of her beliefs. The Pope came out against the Iraq War, but I'll bet those with selective guilt like O'Reilly have no problem with supporting the killing of random civilians through the demonic practice of "Shock and Awe."
Right-wingers make me sick to my stomach.
And, as always, you're free to not have an abortion.
Just remember, nothing's going to change. The "party of life" was in control of all 3 branches of government for 6 years. And NOTHING happened. The window has shut. The sane and rational people have prevailed.
It's settled law. Get used to it.
They use unborn fetuses as props to get people to donate to their cause, and the GOP doesn't care one whit about that cause. If they truly made abortion illegal, their cofferes wouldn't be as full, and the only thing the GOP Greedy Oligarch Party) cares about is money.
They don't care about how they get it, either, including lying to the "pro-life" movement which thinks the GOP is on their side, instead of just stealing their money.
Well then YOU and YOUR uterus DON'T have to have one!!
It just doesn't accomplish anything to say that you can get an abortion for this reason but not for that one. All you'll get are more back-alley abortions, more women claiming rape, and more children born to women who know that they're not in a position to care for them.
I don't know anyone who thinks that just any pregnancy should be aborted in the ninth month either. That's clearly something that relies on the health of the mother.
I would have a problem with the killing of "un-born babies" if such a thing had ever happened. It hasn't. The medical procedures performed by Dr Tiller were nothing like what you have described, but then again, you believe that appeal to emotion is a valid debating tactic.
I also do not "shed tears" for the criminals you list. Why do you think a straw man makes your argument logical or valid? You are the ones who shout loudly that every life is sacred, then you kill. You kill criminals, and you kill civilians indiscriminately during a terrorist action called "shock and awe" by a congenital liar who never even bothered to get a declaration of war.
I want abortions to be rare and safe. It is not my business to interfere in a doctor-patient decision. Kansas law made sure that late term abortions were medically necessary. Dr Tiller was cleared of charges that he did not follow Kansas law.
And the only reason people like you want the Government out of your lives is so there will be enough Government to interfere in the lives of those with whom you disagree.
Your claim of "pro-life" is hypocritical at best, and is nothing but a lie. You are "pro-birth," and you care nothing about what happens after the unborn fetus becomes a living baby.
Juan has become a disgrace to all people of color. It is really sad to watch a man with so much talent be bought by the Fox haters of Obama and the left.
Whopper lie of the day. Liberals are NOTHING like conservatives. They don't use the same tactics.
Make a note of it.
The two sides are not equivalent.
How about finding the right-wing equivalent of MMFA? This site wouldn't exist if it weren't for all the wingnut liars out there.
You just keep on stayin' in the middle and decidin' those issues and elections. We'll keep striving for truth and honesty.
No.
Politicians are NOT all the same.
So what if Pelosi was briefed about torture. It was CLASSIFIED! She couldn't disclose any details. Leaking classified intel as well as torture are a fully owned and operated subsidiary of the right-wing wackos, especially after the memos sanctioning torture and calling the Geneva Conventions "quaint" in order to get "intel" connecting 9-11 to Saddam.
Notice also that the frequent use of "lol" is an inept form of ridicule that is attempted at many logic-free wingnut sites like FreeRepublic. I am not saying that because he posts like this he must be a member of FR, that would be the same fallacy he tried to use above. What I am saying is the form is the same, the lack of logical ability is the same, and if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, make your own conclusion.
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But serioulsy... It's no wonder that conservtives think so poorly of minorties in general: All the token minorites they DO hire always turn out to be no-talent, @$$-clowns. (Williams, Steele, Keyes, Malkin, Sowell, Thomas...) And then you've got Colin Powell who is on the outs with them!
It's the same with women. They were so conviced that women would "vote for anyone in a skirt" that they grabbed Sarah Palin off the scrap pile, thinking she would somehow make a difference with them. She might have, with 1% of women maybe, but their overall thinking in this was insulting ALL women: To conservative women by assuming they would vote for Hillary, despite political differences; and to Liberal Women for assuming they would vote for Palin, despite political differences. I mean... God forbid we acknowlege that women have actual thoughts and strong political opinions.
They have no clue when it comes to Women or Minorties, and their minorites have NO IDEA what the CRM was ALL ABOUT!
I think that Williams was going to support the false notion of "fetal rights", but never got the chance. It is a false notion because the fetus is attached to and utterly dependent on its host, and therefore the woman has rights and her rights cover any extensions of her. She makes all decisions regarding her medical condition (yes, pregnancy is a medical condition.
O'Reilly trivializes women (no surprise there) and implies that they do not carefully consider the decision to terminate a pregnancy. His opinion is that women don't think and they act on emotional impulse.