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Hannity claims White House refuses "to support Iranian democracy" because "we don't want to make Adolf Jr. mad"

June 16, 2009 12:44 pm ET

From the June 15 edition of ABC Radio Networks' The Sean Hannity Show:

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    • Author by magnolialover (June 16, 2009 12:51 pm ET)
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      Huh? What is Hannity talking about? This guy is truly a wonderful idiot.
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 16, 2009 12:53 pm ET)
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        Adolf, Jr? What does Rush Limbaugh have to do with this?
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        • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (June 16, 2009 1:05 pm ET)
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          I think what Mark Levin Jr. is saying is that he doesn't understand a Vice President and President who want to get all the facts before commenting in detail on an event with global importance.

          That must be confusing to somebody who's basically rewarded for having Right Wing Tourette's Syndrome.
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          • Author by magnolialover (June 16, 2009 1:11 pm ET)
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            It's sort of like some folks who were on here yesterday harping about why Obama hadn't said anything yet about the Iranian elections. And then when he did say something, it just wasn't soon enough.

            Like you said Col, god forbid that they get their facts in a row, and see what's going on before making a statement.
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            • Author by Bronwyn (June 16, 2009 4:42 pm ET)
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              If they got facts in a row, there would be no statement to fit their hype. Facts can not find a place in their world.
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            • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (June 16, 2009 5:00 pm ET)
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              These RIGHT ING NUT JOBS ,there is nothing that a DEMOCRATIC leader or congressman or senator can do to please them. Ideological purity is their top concern.
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    • Author by latanza (June 16, 2009 1:04 pm ET)
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      Hannity reminds me of a child who did everything for his dad's approval. He doesn't even have his own agenda. he is consumed with pushing the status quo for acceptance. He is a draft 1 kick around. AND IT SHOWS! Things always leave his control or he is left in the dark about quite a bit.
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    • Author by nerzog (June 16, 2009 1:05 pm ET)
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      I notice that a lot of pundits are starting to chirp about how Bush has been "vindicated" on his Iraq strategy, because things are changing in the Middle East.

      The main thing Bush proved is that we have neither the money nor the resources to spread Democracy by force. Conquering and OCCUPYING Iraq stretched us to the limit, and there is no way we could have embarked on a second such effort, let alone a third.

      Spreading Democracy over there, if it can be done, will depend on a combination of Military, Diplomatic and Economic efforts. The Troglodyte Bully-Boy tactics that Sean apparently favors simply will not work.
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      • Author by magnolialover (June 16, 2009 1:15 pm ET)
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        Yeah, not so much. It was Petraeus who turned things around in Iraq with his resolve, and plan for working the counter insurgency tactics. It was the same type of tactics that Bush and co fought against using.

        I don't know what else they're talking about because Lebannon has had open and free elections for many years on end. And they have certain percentages that must be adhered to (a certain percentage of christians are elected, a certain percentage of muslims are elected, and so on). Iran has had elections for years as well, free and open? I don't really know about that.

        Our biggest and best ally in the region, Saudi Arabia, is one of the only countries that doesn't have elections, and have a pretty strict set of rules governing how their people live, and yet, we seem to not have too many issues with that.

        We cannot spread democracy by force, it's hard to do, as we saw in Iraq, and in Afghanistan. We shouldn't be in the business of nation building.
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        • Author by Conchobhar (June 16, 2009 2:34 pm ET)
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          Petraeus, Odierno (who did a complete 180 as far as tactics go), Sean MacFarland (recently promoted to general rank), and Col. (now General, I believe), were responsible for turning things around, from the American perspective. They deserve great credit. It is one of the very few times in the history of warfare that an army regained the initiative after losing it.

          However, we've moved from near the tiger's jaws to riding it's back, or hanging on to its tail. We're paying the Sunni "Sons of Iraq", whom we used to call "Anti-Iraqi Forces," not to attack us, or the Shiites. We acquiesced to ethnic cleansing in Baghdad, which quieted down when it became a target-poor environment, and Moqtada al Sadre declared his cease-fire. But our Sunni "allies" fully mean to take on the Shiite government when we leave, and they would be killing our troops if we weren't paying them. As I've seen quoted in a number of places, including Thomas Ricks' Gamble (which I highly recommend, when an American officer asked his Sunni "partner", "Do you still want to kill me?" The answer was, "Yes, but not today."

          The Sunnis still believe they have the right to rule Iraq, and are, if Ricks is right, totally opposed to democracy. "Democracy in Iraq? Never!!" He quotes one of them as saying.

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          • Author by Conchobhar (June 16, 2009 2:44 pm ET)
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            BTW, Flowers, let's give the devil his due, much as we might despise him. The "surge" was the brainchild of retired General Keane, Frederick Kagan of the AEI, and a couple of others. It was opposed by the Joint Chiefs and the "generals on the ground," especially Casey. Keane, working out of Cheney's office, went around Casey to consult with Petraeus. Bush (hiding behind Petraeus, did support the "surge."

            None of this, even the "success of the surge," means that the attack on Iraq wasn't a war crime and the most disastrous foreign policy move in the history of this country, one whose damage will be felt here for a century, if not more. As for Iraq, the mind boggles.
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            • Author by magnolialover (June 16, 2009 2:57 pm ET)
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              See, though, the surge was only so successful at one point of its intended purpose, and that was to quell violence. It was also meant to give Iraq time to bring up to snuff its own troops and police, and also to get its government functioning well.

              The Iraqi troops are doing better, but are still not quite where they need to be. The government is functioning, but for how long after we leave, I don't know.

              As far as stifling violence, we have been good at that. No doubt. And part of it, or a large part of it, as you said, is that we paid off the guys who were shooting at us before, and Sadr called off his militia from shooting at our guys, and planting bombs.
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              • Author by Conchobhar (June 16, 2009 3:21 pm ET)
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                According to Ricks, Petraeus had a question in the beginning: "Tell me how this ends." He won't go near that now, because nobody can see and end. Ricks sees us being there for 50 years.
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      • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (June 16, 2009 5:03 pm ET)
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        nerzog you are so right about trying to spread DEMOCRACY. It is a lot more difficult than the NEO CONS think it is.
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    • Author by o rly (June 16, 2009 1:14 pm ET)
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      Whenever you see Hannity, just pretend he's a spoiled child who always has to get his way, instead of viewing him as a grown man. His behavior will make much more sense.
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    • Author by harley (June 16, 2009 2:08 pm ET)
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      If Drugbaugh could mate with himself, Hannity would be the offspring.
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    • Author by NiceguyEddie (June 16, 2009 4:29 pm ET)
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      Comparing that bearded monkey in a suit to Adolph Hitler is beyond an insult to Jews, it's an insult to Hitler. For better or worse, Adolph Hitler commanded the most power military force in the world, concquered half of Europe (in a time when it was populated, not empty like when Rome did) and almost succedded in wiping an entire race of people for the map. To compare that Iranian screech-monkey to THAT LEVEL OF ACCOMPLISHMENT (AND EVIL) belittles that awesome (and terrifying) achievemnt. Show some respect dude: It's HITLER.

      (Although... does calling Ahmadeenajad, "Adolf Jr." at least acknowledge that he's a right-winger? Prob not. These same idiots think HITLER was a lefty.)

      Comparing Amadeenajad to Hitler, is like comparing Saddam Hussein to Stalin or Kim-Jong Il to Mao Tsedong. All madmen are NOT created equal. And G.W.Bush's imagined cartoon villains are absolute minor-leaguers comapred to the likes of what Roosevelt and Truman faced down. Not even close. Like company softballers as compared to the 1927 Yankees.

      And so Obama will do what he always does. Remain cool, and follow the path of wisdom. Undoubtedly, Hannity and co. will foam at the mouth because they can't see the utter folly of neocon "wisdom." But there's no one I'd rather have at the helm right now, with all that's going on, than MY president, Barack Hussein Obama.
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      • Author by Bronwyn (June 16, 2009 4:58 pm ET)
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        SALUTE... Ed, you are wise beyond anyone's years.
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      • Author by budrykzp9226 (June 16, 2009 9:58 pm ET)
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        Close. Calling him "Adolf Jr" prevents them from having to pronounce all them fancy Eye-Rainey syllables. They made us pronounce Sotomayor correctly, but this one won't be so easy! WE SURROUND THEM!!!!1
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    • Author by pcisbs832 (June 17, 2009 5:16 am ET)
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      He didn't say that. Obama used the word meddling to describe what the US has done before, and Hannity thinks that if the united states won't stand up for democracy, who will? Obama loves th united Nations so much, why doesn't he make a formal request for Iran to allow united nations vote counters to monitor the upcoming partial recount just announced by the Ayatollah.
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