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Scarborough to Brzezinski: "New York's America too. ... And so is the Northeast ... Washington D.C., and Nantucket"

July 07, 2009 2:06 pm ET

From the July 7 edition of MSNBC's Morning Joe:

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- by congero6189599 (July 07, 2009 2:44 pm ET)
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  That is pure BS. From what I've seen is that people are more center left not right! Look at the issues! Healthcare more people want single payer,it's the politicans and the MSM that excluded that from the converstion and instead offered us the "public option" and the majority of voters would accept that but even that is being taken away by the politicans and the MSM. People support EFCA, they were for the stimulus(that was watered down by whom?), the Republicans face a shrinking party and offer nothing but the same people are not turning to them! The polls they site do not back up their claims, they seem to be basing their opinions on the people they met on Joe's book tour who were not representative of the public ,but people who probably supported Joe and his half-baked ideas anyway. What a dishonest way to peddle your BS,and what I find most disgusting is the almost copmplete blackout from the airwaves of the "Left" point of view while these hacks are given unlimited access! A few weeks ago on this site was article that questioned what it would take to get Pat Buchanan off the airwaves, he's back on this week spouting this same BS. Where is Amy Goodman? Where is Bill Moyer? Phil Donuhue? Howard Zinn? Where all all those who cuationed us about invading Iraq and fortold all the problems we would face, theywere right, but who do we see on the airwaves only those who got it wrong and continue to get it wrong! Now their telling us the country is center right without giving voice to the aspirations and needs of the people!
  
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  - by bintx (July 07, 2009 2:57 pm ET)
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    They only cited a portion of the Gallup poll. If it is looked at in its entirety, you see that the people who claimed to be "more conservative" were folks who already identified themselves as "conservative." I think the percentage of conservatives who said they were more conservative was something like 75%. The numbers for independents and liberals were stable.
    
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    - by Victor Colorado (July 07, 2009 3:12 pm ET)
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      Yet Joe spins it to say that all the polls show Americans are more conservative than liberal by a margin of 2 to 1. The man baths in stupid.
      
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      - by loonz (July 07, 2009 3:40 pm ET)
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        Polls that show where Americans stand on individual issues are a better guage of where the center is. The fact of the matter is right-wing views on most issues are way out of the mainstream.
        
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    - by jeter2 (July 07, 2009 3:30 pm ET)
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      They only cited a portion of the Gallup poll.
      
      This is why I don't pay much attention when anyone points to polling results because the poll itself is often skewed or how it's reported is.
      
      I find most folks I come in contact with, be they my family, friends or co-workers, are generally pretty centrist & lean left or right on particular issues.
      
      I call myself a Con, my wife calls herself a Lib, yet we agree more often than not on most issues. Go figure ;-)
      
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      - by political_left-religious_right (July 07, 2009 4:19 pm ET)
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        Hey, Jeter, it's good to see you again. My hope is that this new rash of half-witted right-wingers that have recently invaded will see some of your writings and understand how a real conservative thinks and expresses himself.
        
        I can identify with you, by the way; I'm a liberal, my wife's a conservative, and we almost vote identically on issues. We just feel that different people should be the ones to carry them out. The fact that my wife is also stable enough to recognize abject failure (e.g., GWB) makes things much easier in the home than they otherwise might be.
        
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        by jeter2 (July 07, 2009 5:17 pm ET)
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        Hey PLRR,
        
        Thanks for the kind words. I haven't posted in awhile but I've kept up reading the forum. And the tone here seemed to be nastier than I can ever recall. Hope that will change.
        
        Yeah things around my house were a lot calmer because I readily admitted Bush was a mistake/failure. I may never live down the fact that I voted twice for the guy...my only defense being I was voting against Gore & Kerry & not for Bush. Hell I should have just sat it out!! My wife had to hold her nose when she voted for Kerry, I probably should have done the same ;-)
        
        I can identify with you, by the way; I'm a liberal, my wife's a conservative, and we almost vote identically on issues. We just feel that different people should be the ones to carry them out.
        
        Sounds pretty much like me & my wife. Hey these "mixed" marriages can work ;-)
        
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        by solon (July 07, 2009 6:14 pm ET)
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        It may be nastier. I hope I havent contributed to that since my return. It IS good to see you back. I am hoping we will see a more issue focused dialogue in general and if that happens we should see it here. Of course if we keep getting trolls who can only parrot Rush and Rushlike screechmonkeys then it will just continue since they are still hearing various variations of Liberals are stupid, liberals are haters, liberals hate America FROM them
        
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        by jeter2 (July 07, 2009 9:43 pm ET)
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        Hey Solon,
        
        Your return hasn't contributed to the nastiness here at all, & I for one was glad to see you back after your long absence. Even though we don't always agree on the issues, you've always been a bud & I respect your opinions & you've always returned that respect. I know you don't suffer fools gladly so when you go after someone here, as far as I'm concerned, they deserve it. I wish some of the other posters from the old days, like Lynn for example, would return. I do think it was more civil here a few years back, but the trolls [from the Right & Left] do make it difficult to discuss/debate issues or even have some fun here. Yeah the Right-wing trolls do parrot Rush, Hannity etc. & can be annoying as hell with name-calling etc... But there are a handful of Left-wing trolls here too, that don't add anything to the disscussions & only throw out insults & name-call just because a Con has a different opinion & even if they are being reasonable. Ah well....maybe what we need is a lot more humor & goodwill here ;-)
        
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      - by oscar the grouch (July 07, 2009 7:48 pm ET)
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        Hey, J2, if she disagrees, just take her shoes away, 'cause there's nothin' better than us Cons like to see that to see our wives barefoot (and pregnant.) ;>)
        
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        by jeter2 (July 07, 2009 9:45 pm ET)
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        Ha! That's it Oscar give them another Con stereotype to jump on :-O
        
        Hey I'll take her shoes away...but no more babies...she & I are both too old ;-)
        
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        by oscar the grouch (July 08, 2009 1:06 am ET)
        
        Too old here too, so I just take her shoes and teeth. We're not real Cons if we can make fun of ourselves, Real Cons, and those of the opposite spectrum (just can't bring myself to call them Pros) take life much too seriously.
        
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  - by aocasio463507 (July 08, 2009 10:35 am ET)
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    This show is a mishmash of BS. In order to sell his book of political BS he has to take Mika, and the only people who would buy this sh__T are the dumb bells there to see Mika the twit, who has to kiss Jo's ass to keep her job. This woman Has no class or Character, she is a corporate twinkie.
    
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- by The_Cat (July 07, 2009 3:13 pm ET)
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  More concerned? I'm growing more concerned at the propensity of 'news' anchors to say things like "Americans are more conservative by a 2-to-1 margin" without having a single shred of evidence to support their claim. What's making the President's health care agenda difficult to pass is the $1.4 million per -day- being spent by insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies to deny a public option. It's actually the public option that -most- Americans truly want.
  
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  - by nerzog (July 07, 2009 3:45 pm ET)
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    You're right... and douchebags like Joe and Mika are among the reasons we won't get it.
    
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- by seroquel (July 07, 2009 3:46 pm ET)
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  This is pure BS. 60% of people are either liberal, or haven't changed.
  39% are more conservative. How is that 2 to 1?
  That's a little more than 1/3 of people. Saying they are more conservative. That's not 2 to 1, that's approximately 1 to 2 people.
  And this poll said Voters. That still means 60% haven't changed their minds from before.
  
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  - by nerzog (July 07, 2009 4:05 pm ET)
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    It's a clever little shell game the Republicans like to play with these poll results. It's only natural that people who are already conservative are going to be unhappy with the Obama administration, and therefore report that they are becoming "more conservative".
    
    Those of us who voted for Obama are in various stages of "wait and see", and would report that we're unchanged, with a few Liberals leaning more to the Left, as they tend to do.
    
    It's about a 60-40 split, which is not surprising, given the results of the last election.
    
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- by John Paradox (July 07, 2009 5:30 pm ET)
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  Though I only took one semester of Statistics/Polling, the claims made in the clip are totally outrageous. As others have pointed out, the totals (and you can Google 'gallup poll' and find the real figures) show that the largest group is 'unchanged', and breaking it down by political inclinations shows even more how inaccurate the 'talking points' are.
  
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- by wolf kotenberg (July 07, 2009 5:51 pm ET)
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  The explanation is as convoluted as the original claim.
  
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- by Luis81 (July 07, 2009 6:14 pm ET)
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  Really?
  More conservative?
  Are these the same people who are polled for the Presidents popularity?
  He's still very popular,and we're getting more conservative...
  wow.
  
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- by zamfir273114 (July 07, 2009 7:06 pm ET)
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  As things continue to dwindle down, as more jobs are lost, more taxing and spending by congress, as government grows and as more instability in the Middle-East and Asia surface, people will probably become more conservative. I myself used to be very liberal until I had to work at a firm in Los Angeles for 18 months. I was able to see with my own eyes the direction the entire country was headed for: poverty, mass illegal immigrants, crime, etc.
  
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  - by congero6189599 (July 07, 2009 8:28 pm ET)
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    "...I myself used to be very liberal until I had to work at a firm in Los Angeles for 18 months..." So in those 18 months you saw how 8 yrs. of Bush growing the government(D of Hl. Sec.),robbing the surplus created on the backs of the middle class and giving it directly to the top 2%,stagnation of wages,blowing a trillion dollars in an illegal war in Iraq while Katrinans drowned,scapegoated the undocumented to thwart any meaningful immigration reform, and the criminalization of poverty was destroying our country. You saw all this in 18 months at some firm and you ran right to the people who were creating the mess. OK, I understand now!?!?
    
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- by pxgabriel152 (July 07, 2009 9:00 pm ET)
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  Mika is just trying to make the point that "Real Americans" u know the ones that are Sarah Palin followers, are in the majority, which I do not believe. This is to defend her dissing Real Americans yesterday, and working mothers today.
  
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  - by wolf kotenberg (July 07, 2009 11:36 pm ET)
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    If one other than Mika has to explain what she means, I would guess she herself didn't know what she was saying.Kinda like Palin.
    
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- by kfraz43 (July 08, 2009 12:44 am ET)
  
  Dumb and Dumber III - Let's act like important media people!
  
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- by franky (July 08, 2009 1:00 am ET)
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  To whatever extent 'conservative' has gained as a self identifying label, it is has been at the expense of the demonization of 'liberal' as it's antonym by the noise machine.
  
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