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Beck "lose[s]" his "mind;" screams at caller: "Get off my phone you little pinhead!"

July 15, 2009 11:44 am ET

From the July 15 edition of Premiere Radio Networks' Glenn Beck Program:

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    • Author by marco21 (July 15, 2009 11:50 am ET)
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      This must be the tape Glenn is submitting to the Wingnut Oscar committee.

      The award for most embarrassing person alive goes to...
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    • Author by IRONY 101 (July 15, 2009 11:55 am ET)
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      LOL... This really is funny. I'll repeat what I've said before...I'll bet Glenn Beck was a lot saner when he was a drunken pot head. Somebody send this poor guy a bottle of Jack Daniels and a bag of weed before his head explodes. ;>)
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      • Author by neon desert (July 15, 2009 12:38 pm ET)
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        Give him a chance - let's read his newest book before pass judgement. If only there was a way we could jump forward in time to read it now. I hear it's his best yet.

        Wait a minute - maybe we can! We might be able to use the time machine I just built. It's my most bestest one yet!
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        • Author by IRONY 101 (July 15, 2009 12:42 pm ET)
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          Does this mean no weed...? ;>)
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          • Author by neon desert (July 15, 2009 12:56 pm ET)
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            Oh, heavens no!

            In fact, like Becks newest book, my time machine is even better after a bowl or two.
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        • Author by newzhound (July 15, 2009 1:45 pm ET)
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          neon desert: Sorry, I'm not ready for this next pamphlet - ops! - book. I haven't finished the last one. That is, coloring it...
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          • Author by neon desert (July 15, 2009 2:04 pm ET)
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            That's too bad. I just found another old paint bucket, so now the time machine seats three comfortably.
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      • Author by williamsn517 (July 15, 2009 1:53 pm ET)
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        I believe we have just witnessed Beck's head exploding...and what a sight it was :)
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        • Author by SDL (July 17, 2009 9:31 am ET)
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          Already happened..back when Beck had a mustache

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY-03vYYAjA
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      • Author by AprilReign (July 15, 2009 9:23 pm ET)
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        hi Irony -- that's really amusing.. but it has me curious...where is the bio on Glenn Beck's past? I'd love to see it! his shrill screaming frightens the hell out me. Basically I am shocked that any network could hear that and not decide that they have a psychopath on the air and pull him for good.
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    • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (July 15, 2009 11:57 am ET)
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      A mind is a terrible thing to lose. Beck didn't have much of one to begin with, so the tragedy is more pronounced.
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      • Author by Conchobhar (July 15, 2009 12:03 pm ET)
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        Out shooting quayle again, I see.
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        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (July 15, 2009 12:09 pm ET)
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          A potatoe is a terrible thing to waste...
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          • Author by Conchobhar (July 15, 2009 12:13 pm ET)
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            Eye, lad, so it is.
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            • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (July 15, 2009 12:15 pm ET)
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              That reminds me of Lewis Grizzard's book, Don't Bend Over in the Garden, Granny, You Know Them Taters Got Eyes!
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              • Author by Conchobhar (July 15, 2009 1:06 pm ET)
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                Ha! That's almost as good as the nuns' old advice to girls about avoiding patent leather shoes because they reflected underwear for the lascivious pleasure of us lads. The nuns get the nod on the funnymeter, barely, because they weren't trying to be funny.
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      • Author by congero6189599 (July 15, 2009 12:03 pm ET)
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        The proliferation of shows like this along with this me, me, me mentality makes me wonder if the human species will survive!
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        • Author by ShrinkGov (July 15, 2009 12:20 pm ET)
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          Isn't Glenn great, telling it like it is. We can't afford gov sponsored health care. It's not the gov's job to provide health care. I don't want gov controlled health care.

          The polititians should cut corporate tax to 10%. Create an environment where large and small companies can thrive and create jobs. If my employer doesn't have a health care plan I'll take care of it myself. All I want from gov is to stay out of my life!
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          • Author by enaud (July 15, 2009 10:14 pm ET)
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            My thoughts exactly!!
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            • Author by jbrantow (July 16, 2009 9:52 pm ET)
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              Proof.....small minds think alike.......isn't that true...ShrinkGov and enaud. Drink some more outdated fox koolaid.
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            • Author by solon (July 17, 2009 6:46 pm ET)
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              Of course they are your thoughs exactly Rush told BOTH of you to believe that idiocy
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          • Author by jmille426471 (July 16, 2009 5:43 am ET)
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            "All I want from gov is to stay out of my life!"

            Which I'm sure is why you were horrified that the NSA was (is?) illegally spying on us. Right?

            Typical backwards thinking from republican freedom fighters. Big Brother is just fine, but democratically supported government services are absolutely unconstitutional. This is exactly the way the big money boys want us rubes to think. And you just eat it right up.

            Btw, if you want government out of your life, why accept a government run sewege system. There's no reason we can't do like the real men of the eigteenth century and just dump it in the front yard. What do you say to that? I know you'll take care of it.
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          • Author by Brabantio (July 16, 2009 7:49 am ET)
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            If you really want "an environment where large and small companies can thrive and create jobs", why not have a public health care option? That would take the burden off of some companies' profit margins. It makes a hell of a lot more sense than assuming that a huge increase in corporate profits is going to cover everyone in any particular company, much less society in general. It also doesn't take into account the fact that many people get fired for having a health condition that costs a company extra money to cover.
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          • Author by Blue Dog (July 16, 2009 7:16 pm ET)
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            No one wants you to be unhappy, or to feel like our country doesn't provide a society in which you're comfortable.

            So why don't you consider going somewhere else?
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          • Author by MoCrash (July 17, 2009 7:54 am ET)
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            So which proposal before Congress constitutes "gov. sponsored health care?" What the Obama Administration proposes is a public health insurance option, which is significantly different. Nobody would be required to sign on to the public insurance option; those satisfied with their current private plans may keep them (and probably at lower cost, since they would have to compete with a less-expensive, more-inclusive alternative -- and one potentially large enough to force lower costs for health care services).

            The biggest problem with the health care debate is that what is being proposed is so often mischaracterized as something it's not. Glenn Beck's head explodes because he simply cannot distinguish the actual proposal from his paranoid fantasy, especially since it's in his financial interest not to do so. When Beck quits ranting, his show gets dropped.
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          • Author by solon (July 17, 2009 6:45 pm ET)
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            Glenn Beck telling it like it is?? HA you are hilarious. So every industrial country in the world EXCEPT the US has a national healthcare system but WE, the richest country in the WORLD cant afford it? More tax cuts for those how already have so much is your answer to everything. Got the flu? A tax cut will take care of that. You people are so clueless its a free clown show every day with you dittobots.
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        • Author by RABBITLUVR (July 15, 2009 12:34 pm ET)
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          We will do fine as long as MFers such as Beck are kept in the minority. Way deep in the minority.
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          • Author by congero6189599 (July 15, 2009 12:41 pm ET)
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            I prey your right RL!
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            • Author by congero6189599 (July 15, 2009 1:13 pm ET)
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              Check this article out on salon.com : http://www.salon.com/env/feature/2009/07/13/science_illiteracy/?source=newsletter
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            • Author by congero6189599 (July 15, 2009 1:14 pm ET)
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              Check this article out on salon.com : http://www.salon.com/env/feature/2009/07/13/science_illiteracy/?source=newsletter
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          • Author by tman418 (July 15, 2009 1:18 pm ET)
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            Serving Ice Tea to Harlem blacks.
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          • Author by r4ng3rjohn (July 16, 2009 12:13 am ET)
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            With your progressive Eugenics ?
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            • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (July 16, 2009 7:47 pm ET)
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              Yes, Eugene Robinson is a progressive. Why do you ask?
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            • Author by solon (July 17, 2009 6:49 pm ET)
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              Wow. Progressive Eugenics? That was galactic level stupid. Which screechmonkey programmed you with THAT idiotic propaganda?
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    • Author by epkklk851 (July 15, 2009 12:02 pm ET)
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      Thank you for putting this on. I would quibble about the title of this post, since I happen to believe that he lost his mind some time ago, he may not have noticed, but he did. What he lost today was his temper and any shred of dignity. I think this is the most revolting thing I have heard spew out of his mouth, and since he regularly makes me want to vomit, that is saying a lot. I always knew he was mean spirited, despite all the smiling and laughing, but his maliciousness was stripped away left hanging for all to see today. I'd love to see him do this on the air. I wonder how many times he will have to go apoplectic before he permanently alienates his audience and/or gets fired. However long it is, it is too, too long!
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      • Author by cpinva (July 15, 2009 2:05 pm ET)
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        i don't think the inmates in the catatonic ward, his audience, will really notice this, or much of anything else really. i'm just guessing here, but i'm beginning to suspect the long-term affects of mr. beck's alcoholism are starting to become more pronounced. it's difficult to sustain reason, with a swiss cheesed brain.
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      • Author by MoCrash (July 17, 2009 7:57 am ET)
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        Wow, I never thought I'd see someone use the word "dignity" in relation to Glenn Beck. There are many things Beck may be, but dignified has never been among them.
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      • Author by Valhalla (July 17, 2009 12:07 pm ET)
           
        I agree, all the hate, yelling and nonsense is no way to get a point across. Even when he has a valid point sometimes, it's lost threw his antics. Beck and Oberman are probably the two most unhappy people I ever see on tv. Both sides are too blame for all this non-sense nowadays. There is a reason congress and Broadcasters are even lower in polls than even Bush was.
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    • Author by IRONY 101 (July 15, 2009 12:02 pm ET)
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      I wonder if Beck's use of the appellation, pinhead, was an homage to the King of Fox, Bill O'Reilly. Beck, you crazy little suck up. ;>)
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    • Author by Leftym0m79 (July 15, 2009 12:03 pm ET)
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      Too late...Already lost it a long time ago. I have to admit that scared me a little bit. And no that story about France, I've had friends lucky enough to travel in Europe and everyone of them have said that.
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    • Author by Victor Colorado (July 15, 2009 12:04 pm ET)
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      F-I-N-A-L-L-Y, some civil discourse on the urgent need for health care reform. One thing I'll say about the current system, Beck's ongoing mental therapy sessions on commercial airwaves does not appear to be working.
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      • Author by Pinhead (July 15, 2009 1:22 pm ET)
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        Well, it was civil on one side.
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        • Author by Victor Colorado (July 15, 2009 1:38 pm ET)
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          Yes, well, that's not really fair since one side was able to rest and clear their thoughts over the past two weeks vacationing in preparation for this very cogent and topical debate on domestic policy.
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    • Author by mikelartist (July 15, 2009 12:06 pm ET)
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      The GOP way: treat all people (medical personnel are bound by their hypocratic oath to do no harm... so they must treat everyone) in the most expensive rooms in the hospital - the ER and the ICU. Sounds like all the plans they have ever had for anything - FUBAR. So do nothing and keep the failing system in place. Right GOP? It sounds absolutely Soviet.

      The daily implosion of the right wing is a beautiful thing. Just keep the seething idiots away from their assault weapons.

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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (July 15, 2009 12:11 pm ET)
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        That's "hippocratic" oath. The GOP takes a "hypocritic" oath.
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        • Author by IRONY 101 (July 15, 2009 12:12 pm ET)
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          ...which is First get the money..up front.
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        • Author by covered (July 15, 2009 5:07 pm ET)
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          Big Insurance has always paid their "defense lawyers" $500/ hour+ to deny legitimate claims plus whatever they pay Congress for loopholes and exclusions. Now it looks like they are paying multiple millions to Wingnutistan Radio and TV to hammer home the no single payer message. Maybe we're getting closer than we think!
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    • Author by princeofwheels (July 15, 2009 12:11 pm ET)
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      Mr. Beck,
      They come here because we have the best doctors.
      But if you live HERE and can't afford it you are S.O.L.
      Hmmmm, lose your mind today?? Liar.

      What does having the best care got to do with affording health care? And the idiot sidekick changes the subject to illegal immigration. But a a dignitary from another country comes here because they got the scratch to pay..they are welcomed with open arms. Greed anyone.

      While we are at it I believe that Health Insurance Reform should be voted on by the people.
      Aren't there states that vote on banning gay marriage because the people DON'T want it? This seems to discriminate against a certain group. Using the same path, why don't people have a vote on ESTABLISHING lower health insurance costs and how it is to be paid for? Should we vote to have the rich pay more in taxes, it only affects a small group of people so a little discrimination shouldn't hurt many people that is ConLogic 101.
      Marriage is a concept of religion. Healthcare is real. We can touch it and we can see the effects daily of the reality of it.
      The corresponding result of marriage is divorce.
      The corresponding result of no healthcare is death.
      Of the two, which do we chose?
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      • Author by robyn20094113 (July 15, 2009 4:52 pm ET)
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        Hannity & the rest of them always use that argument, that people from other countries come here for health care. We keep screaming back, we never said we do not have great doctors and facilities, we are saying that too many people here can not afford it or get it. Then they use the emergency room care, anyone can go there and get help. Even that is a lie, but even if you do get help for the emergency, you can not get regular follow up care. I guess they are paid to play stupid.

        Also it infuriates me how they blame illegal immigrants for the hospitals going out of business because of the free care they get. When the truth is THE INSURANCE COMPANIES HAVE PUT HOSPITALS OUT OF BUSINESS!
        Hospitals were built to treat patients and Insurance companies started refusing to pay for hospital care. Nearly everything has to be out-patient care or they will not cover it, sending patients home hours after major surgery.
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        • Author by billroak (July 16, 2009 6:56 pm ET)
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          The other stretch in this argument about people coming to the US for treatment is that it's always for high-end or non-routine procedures. Joe Biden was right when he said that our healthcare system is upside down with too much emphasis on diagnosis and treatment instead of routine attention to prevention and wellness FOR EVERYONE. Our poorer infant mortality and life expectancy statistics compared to other countries bear this out.

          How convenient also to overlook the stories of Americans going to India or Thailand for medical procedures that cost one-third of what they do in the US.
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        • Author by Valhalla (July 17, 2009 12:15 pm ET)
             
          There is more than enough blame to go around. There are many many things that need fixed, Insurance companies are definatetly one, Medi-Care fraud is def another. Disability needs fixed for sure, etc. etc. etc. My own opinion is that in order for anything to work, you need to patch the leaks before filling the glass with water.
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    • Author by middling wanderer (July 15, 2009 12:17 pm ET)
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      The 'raving' part is the shtick. It seems to help him be very effective in attracting and retaining an audience. Can't fault him for that.

      Also, this article is really just a trigger for ad hominems and insults. It, too, is very effective.
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    • Author by o rly (July 15, 2009 12:20 pm ET)
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      LMAO, Glenn Beck is a ranting psychopath!
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    • Author by goesto11 (July 15, 2009 12:22 pm ET)
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      Hey, Beck, if you're going to host a current affairs program and discuss healthcare, there's something you really should know -- the current debate is about insurance, not actual medical care.

      No one's arguing that places like Iran have more effective hospitals and doctors than the US.

      This guy is completely, utterly, and in all other ways insane.

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    • Author by blueline99 (July 15, 2009 12:25 pm ET)
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      This was damn funny

      Thank you for posting this

      I love how he shills for his new book...which is the most telling aspect of Glenn Beck.

      This is a gig for him... the more outrageous he gets the more his ratings go up and more books he sells.

      I really wish one of his books would just flop, but unfortunately he has an audience that is looking for affirmation of their selfish and twisted ideology.
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    • Author by crimson2 (July 15, 2009 12:27 pm ET)
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      If you want ot make a lot of money, make this into a ringtone. You're welcome.

      "Get off my phone!!!!"

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      • Author by lookoutoftheyard2251 (July 15, 2009 3:01 pm ET)
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        Get off my phone... who does he think he is, Harrison Ford in 'Air Force One'?
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    • Author by skiploader1111 (July 15, 2009 12:32 pm ET)
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      I'm going to talk like a Republican mentality using that logic from 2005 for this one post:


      Why is the right so angry and shrill? Is it just sour grapes because they lost the election last November? I don't know about Beck, but I love America.
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      • Author by tman418 (July 15, 2009 1:17 pm ET)
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        I knew they would be 10x worse when they get out of power. Now they're the G "no" P, angry and shrill, screaming at everything Obama does.
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    • Author by pros2pros2940 (July 15, 2009 12:33 pm ET)
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      Beck is part of the "cult of LCD" lowest common denominator whereby they cannot stand those that disagree with their statements.

      If the media were to fact check these morons more they'd be out of business
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    • Author by RABBITLUVR (July 15, 2009 12:33 pm ET)
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      The reichwinkers luv to talk about how Obama's plan will result in the rationing of health care. Actually, that's not such a bad idea. Raving insane psychos such as Beck are unworthy of treatment. He should just be left to suffer with his insanity as there are many many people who deserve care much more than that p***k.

      Beck can go to and burn in Hell. I'll sleep like a baby while he chars.
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      • Author by roundhouse (July 15, 2009 4:25 pm ET)
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        Meanwhile, rabbitluvr, as they criticize Obama, they have no competing plan, other than doubling down on the stupid tax cut speak.

        Dorks.
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        • Author by RABBITLUVR (July 15, 2009 4:37 pm ET)
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          Did you see the flowchart the pukers posted? Looks like they are trying to repeat their stunt from 1994 which, in fact, did succeed in derailing Clinton's HCR efforts. This time... not so much. We weren't in a Depression in '94... things are way different.
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          • Author by roundhouse (July 15, 2009 9:13 pm ET)
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            No, I missed that gem of corporo-fascist propaganda. Dangit!
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      • Author by phredicles (July 16, 2009 1:33 am ET)
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        We have rationing of health care now. But since the rationing is carried out by corporate bean counters, that makes it okay. I mean, if big business is running your life it means you're free from awful, evil, marxist nazi big government, right?
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    • Author by IRONY 101 (July 15, 2009 12:37 pm ET)
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      F--- IT! WE'LL DO IT LIVE! ;>)
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      • Author by RABBITLUVR (July 15, 2009 12:38 pm ET)
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        Yeah, he's really trying to be like O'Reilly. Pinhead? Come on Glen... if yer gonna wig out at least try to be original, you miserable schmuck.
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    • Author by alonglens (July 15, 2009 12:52 pm ET)
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      I think what drove him over the edge was the line "you don't care about all the trillions of dollars to bail out the banks and all of the credit card companies"
      Glenn Beck has spent the last year saying we shouldn't bail them out. Screaming "Get off my phone" is something he's done for years. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul9YGlapNiA
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    • Author by vysotsky (July 15, 2009 12:56 pm ET)
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      Psst, Glenn: that ain't your phone, sweetheart. That phone belongs to the people who employ you. You don't actually pay the phone bills. Kind of like how you didn't pay for most of the medical costs you incurred when your hemorrhoid situation required surgical intervention.

      And by the way, how is it that you forgot all about your grievance with HMOs and the best that the American medical system has to offer so quickly? Why, here you are, a man with health coverage and great doctors, and you end of posting a video on Youtube about how your treatment was "like something out of the movie 'Saw'". You even claimed that your treatment was so bad that if you had been given a gun, you would have used it to end your life during recovery. And yet now, you have nothing but praise for American healthcare. I wonder what happened to change your mind?
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      • Author by Conchobhar (July 15, 2009 2:33 pm ET)
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        "I wonder what happened to change your mind?" His troubles are now behind him.
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    • Author by Crankyprof (July 15, 2009 1:01 pm ET)
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      I'm a Canadian and I am fascinated by the dialogue that revolves around Health care in the U.S. For the sake of the truth, which Glenn Beck seems to have abandoned along with his sanity, we DO NOT hold a lottery to see a doctor. Where he got that one from, I would love to know ...
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      • Author by mjh (July 16, 2009 7:23 pm ET)
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        "we DO NOT hold a lottery to see a doctor. Where he got that one from, I would love to know ..." - Crankyprof

        Same place Beck gets most of his "facts": his posterior.
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    • Author by Pinhead (July 15, 2009 1:20 pm ET)
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      KO's Worst Person?

      BTW, now who sounds like Hitler?
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    • Author by tman418 (July 15, 2009 1:21 pm ET)
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      You know, isn't "rationing" something that is already happening with our current system? Don't 18,000 people die in this country because they can't get health care? How about medical costs being the number 1 cause of bankruptcy in this country?

      Why is it so terrible to just provide a public OPTION? Keep your health insurance if you want. If you can't afford it, use the public option. Is health care as a right for everyone so bad? Is it good that those who can't afford health care stay sick or die or go bankrupt?
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      • Author by nerzog (July 15, 2009 1:40 pm ET)
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        Exactly. A substantial portion of our population cannot access the healthcare system, other than the emergency room. When they go to the emergency room, they have to wait for hours just to see a doctor. How is this not "rationing"?

        The Republicans often object to the "Public Option" because they fear that their employers will choose it over their current plan because it's cheaper.

        Unwittingly, this argument reveals one of the major problems with our system... most people cannot afford health insurance unless their employer provides all or part of it. Furthermore, many people would lose their insurance if they lost their jobs. Others, like me, cannot buy insurance individually at any price. They have to be part of a group just to be allowed the "privilege" of buying the product.
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        • Author by roundhouse (July 15, 2009 4:20 pm ET)
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          True. Healthcare is rationed today by for profit bureaucrats who dictate to doctors what they can and cannot treat by denying patient claims. Claims that have, by the way, supposedly been paid for in monthly premiums by the customer. Haha, insurance buyng sucker. Joke is on you!

          Also, the argument in favor of blocking the public option reveals another fallacy in the market fundie dogma; that competition is the driver of lower cost. Go ahead wingnuts, put your faith in the market to the test. Accept a little competition. What do you have to fear? Government can't do anything right anyway. Right?

          Sissies.
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      • Author by blueline99 (July 15, 2009 1:52 pm ET)
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        I heard a radio interview with the CEO of WellPoint on NPR.
        He cited as example of how Private Healthcare is better at controlling costs (rationing) by stating that 30% of all MRIs are unnecessary.

        In the Medicare system, MRI tests have gone up 15% - 20% in the last two years while with WellPoint they have managed to negate any growth.

        Which to me sounds like they are rationing MRI exams... which is exactly what the GOP is trying to scare everyone by saying the government is going to do.
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    • Author by Pinhead (July 15, 2009 1:21 pm ET)
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      KO's Worst Person?

      BTW, now who sounds like Hitler?
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    • Author by cugagcmu805031 (July 15, 2009 1:33 pm ET)
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      It must be nice to be able to insulate one's self from the suffering of others with big bucks earned by pushing lies and then react with false outrage when confronted with the facts. Stay classy, Glenn.
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    • Author by dmhack (July 15, 2009 2:14 pm ET)
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      There are no lotteries in Canada to access health care or to see a doctor.
      Hospitals do hold fundraising lotteries with prizes like homes, vacations and cars.
      Big difference.
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      • Author by Prophet Soul (July 15, 2009 3:59 pm ET)
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        Apparently there were some cases of doctors using a lottery to determine their patient load, either to decide what new patients to take on or which old patients to drop. This, of course, has nothing to do with any government lottery that decides who gets health care at all, and everything to do with shortages of family doctors in specific (less-populated) areas, which is always going to be a problem for Canada, I think. Not to mention the fact that these doctors made a private decision about their own practice, with no government interference, and therefore no government SYSTEM interference.

        In other words, it has nothing to do with the health care system, only with the number of actual doctors there are in the country.

        And one more thing: there was (may still be) a lottery in Oregon that in fact does provide the winner with paid health care. So there you go.
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    • Author by rwmacdonald2091 (July 15, 2009 2:19 pm ET)
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      Argument with Idiots ??? I wonder who won the argument, Glenn or Glenn ?
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    • Author by TheDayV (July 15, 2009 2:19 pm ET)
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      What's this about a lottery in Canadian Health Care?
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      • Author by Darren (July 15, 2009 2:56 pm ET)
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        We don't have a lottery system...at least where I am at being a moderately large city. The hospitals and stuff have lotteries with prizes and stuff to act as fund raising and what not but never did I have to leave a visit up to chance. The "family doctor" clinics and stuff aren't too bad to get into just need an appointment and if it's an emergency they'll always make room for you. Emergency rooms in the big hospitals can have a long wait but generally it isn't for more than an hour or two you just have to hope you don't get bumped back because of people needing more urgent treatment than you. I don't get the huge fuss over a public option in the US, here (in Ontario) give them your government issued health care and you're good to go.
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      • Author by Prophet Soul (July 15, 2009 3:59 pm ET)
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        See my reply above... Crazy world we live in!
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      • Author by roundhouse (July 15, 2009 4:10 pm ET)
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        It's known as a half truth, a distortion. Or in con speak, 'gospel'
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    • Author by DAWUSS (July 15, 2009 2:27 pm ET)
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      Nobody screams at a caller like Michael Savage
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (July 15, 2009 4:17 pm ET)
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        If I had a caller like Michael Savage, I'd scream at him...
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    • Author by voxampguy (July 15, 2009 2:34 pm ET)
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      Yes, it's always the so called "reformed" drunks/addicts that are the least tolerant of others, isn't it?
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    • Author by litlgrey (July 15, 2009 2:39 pm ET)
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      What an evil, self-absorbed, bleating psychopath. If his "book" is going to be anything like his show (and it will), then much like any screed by Michael Weiner, Bernard Goldberg, (D)Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, or any of the other sociopathic degenerates, it will be full of cynicism, deflections, distortions, outright lies, triangulations, panic and fear-mongering, and racism. All in the service of an unprincipled machine known as Big Pharma and the Insurance industry. And this is the America these malevolent swine bring to the table.

      It's also the America we'll get if the wishy washy damn Democrats don't stand firm... which they won't.
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      • Author by mjh (July 16, 2009 7:25 pm ET)
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        "If his "book" is going to be anything like his show (and it will), then much like any screed by Michael Weiner, Bernard Goldberg, (D)Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, or any of the other sociopathic degenerates, it will be full of cynicism, deflections, distortions, outright lies, triangulations, panic and fear-mongering, and racism."


        And, it'll be a bestseller {thanks to conservative book-club bulk buying.}
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    • Author by christopher howard (July 15, 2009 2:43 pm ET)
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      Wow, looks like Beck's raised the crazy bar for Hannity again.
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      • Author by noway (July 15, 2009 4:55 pm ET)
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        No, it was out of proportion / He just blasted the bar (I thought he was only able to cry).

        I was shocked, you could hear the adrenalin rushing and exploding in his throat to scream out his humbled words. I assume that every one of us knows Bill's outburst (earlier mentioned), but this is far different, much more agressive and insulting. Imaging if you would have seen him / no comparison to old O' who directed his anger to people in his staff and not to the public. I know that O' shouted and insulted on other occasions, but this Beck freak out thing was frightening.
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        • Author by NdlovukaziThor (July 16, 2009 12:55 am ET)
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          Alonglens previously posted a link to Glenn screaming this to another caller a few years ago... he shrieked just the same and called it "comedy" (along with saying he'd love to "vaporize" the caller).

          This clip was frightening, definitely. It seems to me to be more unhinged than just angry, like BillO. Bill's got a penchant for yelling/screaming, pointing his finger, and hurling insults at his guests... he's just a bully.

          You've definitely got to be pathological to get where most of these wack-a-doo talking heads are... you know, making entirely too much money to lie and be crazy. And pathological to eat it up.
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    • Author by pam95650 (July 15, 2009 2:56 pm ET)
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      He's out rated O'Reilly's F-bomb outburst! Someone get a straight jacket and take him away, ha ha, he he, ho, ho.
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    • Author by soros (July 15, 2009 3:55 pm ET)
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      There aren't too many good things to say about Beck so.. I'll refrain for now.
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    • Author by roundhouse (July 15, 2009 4:07 pm ET)
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      Wow! What a freak show.

      Don't know if Beck gives a crap, he obviously doesn't value the health and welfare of his fellow citizens, but every state is experiencing a budget shortfall in this recession. When states can't afford to keep operating on their budget, they have to cut essential public services, like healthcare in Massachusetts. Which by the way is just a stupid, stupid more costly cut in the long run (more on that later.) These shortfalls have their roots in the conservative tax cuts panacea rhetoric and implementation. They have their roots in the growing income inequality, which in turn can be attributed, in large part, to the union busting campaigns that expanded under Reagan. They have their roots in the radical, "drown government in the bathtub," wing of the republican party. They have their roots in a rigid ideology that accepts, on blind faith alone, that government can do nothing good.

      But what about MA? All those good folks who get cut off from their public healthcare, where does Beck think they all go? Instead of getting illnesses treated early in a thirty dollar visit to their doctor, they have to put off treatment until their ailing health becomes a full blown 3,000 dollar medical disaster in the ER. And who winds up paying the tab? That's right, Medicare, aka, all of us.

      But by all means Glenn, keep fighting the good fight. Keep insurance company profits soaring while mom and pop businesses take a nose dive in this economy; and by all means keep executive salaries and bonuses extravagant while the rest of us struggle to make ends meet as our wages flatline.

      Idiot conservative jerk.

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    • Author by paul8616 (July 15, 2009 5:18 pm ET)
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      Pay attention to the way he starts to deal with this. He immediately cuts her off in mid-sentence and tries to address half of the point being made, as in 'no one eeeeeever goes to an emergency room here...'

      To someone like a random caller, this is upsetting, and you can hear the caller get more and more angry. Finally, she's left sputtering about how Beck doesn't care about the spending, because that's all she can do.

      And that, my friends, is how you bully someone.
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      • Author by RABBITLUVR (July 15, 2009 5:36 pm ET)
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        Are you sure? I think the one who was 'sputtering' was Becky... he got owned here and it showed when he had his little wig-out. Kathy - the caller - sounded cool and confident to me. Just my opinion.
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    • Author by PurpleState (July 15, 2009 5:41 pm ET)
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      It's all a game to Beck and his staff. I swear I heard the tiniest little bit of laughing after he went ballistic at 3:33.

      Yes, we can't afford health care in Massachusetts. We're required to pay for health insurance or face a tax penalty.

      Thank you, Mitt Romney (R).

      Please come to Massachusetts, Glenn. We dare you.

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    • Author by ChasingSatanAway (July 15, 2009 6:26 pm ET)
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      "Get off my phone you little pinhead!" He is a complete nut! It's never about finding true solutions to problems; it's always about "I win you lose" with him.

      Why won't Glenn Beck accept the notion that our health care system needs to be reformed? This does not mean shutting down every insurance company and switching to a strictly government run program--it would obviously have to be a combination of the two so that Joe Shmo who makes just above the poverty level and doesn't qualify for state medicaid can get government managed health care and Joe Schmo who makes enough to pay a high insurance premium can get whatever care he needs whenever he needs it. Any health care reform will not translate into one system over the other like this nut will have you believe...it will be a mixture of the two.
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    • Author by june101 (July 15, 2009 6:34 pm ET)
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      This was a joke, wasn't it? He's embarrasing.
      She made him look like a fool and he lost his sanity. Can anybody get on the radio over there in the us of a?
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    • Author by Truth Crusader (July 15, 2009 6:42 pm ET)
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      This whole losing every single battle that's being fought is getting to these guys.

      You know, the funny thing is, as ridiculous as his ranting is, I find the condescension just as pathetic.
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    • Author by jonesjax2374 (July 15, 2009 7:10 pm ET)
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      Wow. That was a sneak peek on what kind of drunk Beck was.
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    • Author by jstephens005 (July 15, 2009 7:47 pm ET)
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      You know...Glenn Beck is a very successful author, radio talk show host, and TV host. No other liberal, progressive, or in most of the people blogging here, communist, is even close. Don't you think that there is something to this?

      Question for all the bloggers here: Are you pure communist, or a more mild socialist? Come clean, and embrace your radical ideals.

      Taking money from the wealthy to pay for healthcare will not work. Do the math! The plans OWN projections say it will cost $1 TRILLION over ten years. They plan to tax the wealth %5.4 to cover ONLY HALF of the cost...The remaining portion is supposed to be made up in how effectively the government runs the system. SERIOUSLY? Have you seen Social Security? How about Medicaid? Medicare? They are ALL FAILING!!

      What is the answer? Take everyones money until we have univeral healthcare? Then what? Why should I work when all my money is taken and given to people who do not work? Then what? Who will you tax?
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      • Author by roundhouse (July 15, 2009 9:09 pm ET)
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        "Why should I work when all my money is taken and given to people who do not work?"

        Yeah, I'll bet you quit your job because welfare is so much more lucrative than being employed. LOL. I think 1980 just called, they want their bullpuckey Reagan rhetoric back. Your nonsense is tired.

        "You know...Glenn Beck is a very successful author, radio talk show host, and TV host...Don't you think that there is something to this?"

        Definitely! It's called mutilating the debate because you have no valid ideas, only half hearted criticism and feigned outrage.

        "Are you pure communist, or a more mild socialist?"

        No more so than you when you drive to work on socialized roads, call the socialized police force when you're in danger, borrow a book from a socialist library, or take a stroll in a socialist park. Dang! You're a damn dirty socialist yourself and a stinkin' hypocrite to boot.

        And are you really going to gripe about a 2 or 3 percent tax increase on America's wealthiest citizens? Wealth is a responsibility, not merely a reward. It is a responsibility because it is our socialized infrastructure; military, legal system, education, highway system etc. that enabled, empowered and protected the ability of the rich to prosper. Personally, I find it a privilege to pay my taxes when I see them invested in improving the lives of my fellow country men and women. Don't know what your problem is.
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        • Author by jstephens005 (July 15, 2009 9:40 pm ET)
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          It is a proven fact throughout history that we people are not rewarded for their efforts, then they stop trying. Do you agree? Simple yes/no.

          If a person is taxed 60-70%, what do you think the result it? Would you continue to do the same thing if you lost 70% of your income to support others? It failed in communist Russia. In fact, it fails every time its tried. Why?

          Just because you do not listen to the argument does not make his point of view less valid...Do not use MM as a reference point. And I can assure you it is not feigned outrage. I am myself very outraged at what is going on in our country. I believe in personal responsibility, freedom...not this nanny state crap.

          According to gallup, the 2008 poll shows that 70% of Americans say their healthcare coverage is good or excellent. 83% say the care is good or excellent. And, only 39% are dissatisfied with the cost. Why are we nationalizing?

          I've heard this argument about police and roads a thousand times. The road system is state based. Only the Interstate system is federal, which was put into place for national security. The police are local to the municipality, or state. Feds are again in place for national security. If you review the Constitution, you will see that the federal gov is responsible for protecting its citizens. Not educating them. The military is part of the protecting...interstates, same...all others started at the state level, and should remain there. That is how the founding fathers intended it...and how it worked best.

          It is great to hear that you like to help your fellow citizen. I'm sure you have large contributions to your local churches and united way. THAT is how you should help. Keep the money local, help people. Volunteer. Sending money to the federal government to squander is not efficient, does not help citizens, and is NOT the way to help.

          The wealthy are not getting taxed 2-3%. It is 5.4%. Huge difference. And why does it matter? Because, small business are included in that. Small business that will not hire more workers! That's why! Besides...what moral authority does the government have for taxing people who have succeeded more to help those that do not help themselves? NONE!! I'm so tired of the classism that communists exhibit. If everyone worked, and had PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, then the number of those requiring help would be minimal. End welfare state mentality.
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          • Author by roundhouse (July 15, 2009 11:10 pm ET)
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            Oh screw that. I'm so sick of you conservative dimwits arguing against proposals that haven't even been made, show us who the hell in our government is trying to tax income at 70%. You can't because you're being a typical conjob idiot making crap up and not letting reality get in the way of your ideology.

            And I'm sick of you idiots making assertions as fact without any facts at all. Take for example your simple yes or no question; it's ridiculous unless you think one person is worth 500 times more than the lowest paid employee in a company. This country is literally strewn with hard working people, who work 2 and 3 three jobs, just to maintain the most humble of existences because they won't compromise their values and morals to become a Calvinistic capitalist who endeavors to get something for nothing. They won't work a person to death for minimum wage, suck the fruits of their labor for their self aggrandizement only to offer no benefits, paid vacations or family leave. And they won't give that corporate mentality their blessing by striving to be another vapid soul working for the acquisition of empty material gain. So shove your, "won't do for themselves" tripe where you keep your brain.

            "I'm sure you have large contributions to your local churches and united way. THAT is how you should help."

            Who are you to force your politics on the rest of us? In case you forgot, Obama was overwhelmingly elected last fall to institute a very progressive agenda of activist government, so live with it and get out of the way. Your rigid conservative ideology of income inequality, ineffective government; and unregulated, consequence free corporate malfeasance was soundly rejected by the American public.

            You can bloviate all you want about infrastructure being local or federal, it's all public. It's all a part of the commonwealth that enables us all to be successful and it's all funded by tax payers, so screw your hair splitting nonsense, too.

            You can stop with the personal responsibility garbage too. Everybody knows what a farce it is every time a Republican utters the phrase. When you're not using it to be a sententious prig, you're using it to blame individuals for a systemic inequality in which the wealthy are given all the breaks while everybody else has to pick up their slack.

            One last thing. Don't tell us about the inefficiencies of government, not when corporations are fighting tooth and nail to block a lean, efficient public option because they fear they are too inefficient to compete.
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            • Author by jstephens005 (July 16, 2009 12:02 am ET)
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              Tax answer:
              Current top federal tax bracket is 35%
              One barackobama.com, the administration proposed raising rates to their previous highs, approx 39%.
              The "health-surtax" would add 5.4%, rounding to 45% from federal tax only.
              State taxes, such as NY where majority of wealth reside, exceed 12% currently.

              That reaches 57%. Now...the current proposed healthcare plan adds an additional 5.8% in 2 years if the "expected savings" are not realized. Again, refer to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.

              So, now the tax rate is 64%.

              But, let's not forget the "democrat way"...Remember FDR? He proposed taxing 100% for anyone making over 250,000. The congress said no, only taxing 94%. Or, how about when the federal income tax was introduced, saying it applied to only the top 1% of incomes. Within 4 years, it was the top 50%. Now, its everyone, with some up to 64% of their total income.

              Those are all factual numbers from real news sources.

              I'm not forcing my politics on you. I'm saying that if you want to help people, do it. Don't force ME to do it. It is YOU who are forcing others to do what progressives want done, not the other way around. Our country was founded on the rights of the individual. Period. Its all over the constitution and declaration of independence.

              And, don't make me laugh about the govt being effecient. Your are delusional if you think that the federal government can compete with private business. Business is not scared for that reason, its scared because you cannot compete against the federal government. They will change the rules, make laws, etc...to win POWER. The federal government has no motivation to lower prices...competing businesses do.
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              • Author by roundhouse (July 16, 2009 1:16 am ET)
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                You wouldn't be eliding corporate tax rates with income tax rates would you? And if those are factual numbers without subterfuge to make them fit you argument, you'll be happy to post their sources, right?

                The constitution also makes provisions for maintaining the common good, our country was founded on the liberal principles of equality.

                Also, you lost. You are the minority opinion. Elections have consequences. Just like we suffered the consequences of being the minority for three decades, so get over it or get a better message.

                And if you want to talk about delusional, why hasn't the free market been able to make healthcare more affordable, let alone affordable at all? It's because of the profit motive. Right now the insurance industry is so fat with profit margins, bonuses and unnecessary costs that it can't do anything efficiently. Medicare operates at about 4% overhead, while insurance companies operate around 16%. The situation screams for intervention. And save your medicare shortfall nonsense, what do you expect from 30 years of tax cuts (tax cuts that have succeeded in creating greater income inequality and failed to spread broad prosperity) and a costly occupation that has done nothing to discourage terrorism.

                I mean what's the Republican solution anyway? You don't really have one do you? That's why people like Beck are left to shout criticisms instead of ideas. Y'all got nothing to offer, y'all stand for nothing. So shut the hell up or come up with an alternative other than taxes are bad.
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              • Author by roundhouse (July 17, 2009 3:38 am ET)
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                Nothing to say?

                That's what I thought.

                Sissy.
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          • Author by Übermensch (July 15, 2009 11:57 pm ET)
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            I'll take a crack at this one. Its gonna be long so I apologize

            *ahem*

            It is a proven fact throughout history that we people are not rewarded for their efforts, then they stop trying. Do you agree? Simple yes/no.

            your first statement has shades of gray in it. When people use the term "case by case basis" it literally means that every instance is unique and cannot be look at the same way twice. So the answer to you question is maybe YOU might give up and stop trying, but I will not.



            If a person is taxed 60-70%, what do you think the result it? Would you continue to do the same thing if you lost 70% of your income to support others? It failed in communist Russia. In fact, it fails every time its tried. Why?

            Who is getting taxed at 60-70% now or in the past 10 years? It sounds like you want to say that my taxes will go up that much but in reality it seem like a stupid scare tactic.



            Just because you do not listen to the argument does not make his point of view less valid...Do not use MM as a reference point. And I can assure you it is not feigned outrage. I am myself very outraged at what is going on in our country. I believe in personal responsibility, freedom...not this nanny state crap.


            And you are allowed to believe in personal responsibility, and freedom. No one said you will lose these in the future. I don't foresee a nanny state in the form of a public option any more than I see it in smoking bans in public areas or the governments War on Drugs.



            According to gallup, the 2008 poll shows that 70% of Americans say their healthcare coverage is good or excellent. 83% say the care is good or excellent. And, only 39% are dissatisfied with the cost. Why are we nationalizing?


            According to my gallop poll, your gallup poll is flawed. It equals 192% I do not know how many people were sampled for the study, or the exact question. Were the pollsters asking about if people were satisfied with the coverage that they were paying for? Most people are willing to pay big money (if they have it) for more coverage so they won't be denied doctor care. Second, was it the care that their money bought that made them dissatisfied with the insurance premiums? Or were people mad because they could only afford a next-to-nothing monthly premiums which means next-to-nothing-coverage and more out-of-pocket doctor pay? I mean when people say our heal care system is broken, it refers to the process in which we receive care by going through an insurance firm and not like Mr. Beck thinks of the care that the doctor provides. Also known as Doctor Care.

            I've heard this argument about police and roads a thousand times. The road system is state based. Only the Interstate system is federal, which was put into place for national security. The police are local to the municipality, or state. Feds are again in place for national security. If you review the Constitution, you will see that the federal gov is responsible for protecting its citizens. Not educating them. The military is part of the protecting...interstates, same...all others started at the state level, and should remain there. That is how the founding fathers intended it...and how it worked best.

            And even after that long paragraph you still know that your state and municipality taxes pay for your local police, roads, firefighters ect. I know its hard to imagine that there are some people not paying taxes in your state, but still somehow manage to use those roads and police that your taxes are paying for.(and police and firefighters who use roads to help these non-tax paying citizens of your state) The government is not educating the citizens of your home state...your local state and municipality taxes are. They can apply for Federal Grants which more often than not, is a one time loan.



            It is great to hear that you like to help your fellow citizen. I'm sure you have large contributions to your local churches and united way. THAT is how you should help. Keep the money local, help people. Volunteer. Sending money to the federal government to squander is not efficient, does not help citizens, and is NOT the way to help.

            All of your examples of how to help out fellow citizens are indeed a good examples. However the majority of citizens in the United States would like to see their tax money that does go to our federal government now (like say for that portion that gives us military protection) not be squandered on unnecessary wars and have those fine soldiers here protecting the good 'ol USA



            The wealthy are not getting taxed 2-3%. It is 5.4%. Huge difference. And why does it matter? Because, small business are included in that. Small business that will not hire more workers! That's why! Besides...what moral authority does the government have for taxing people who have succeeded more to help those that do not help themselves? NONE!! I'm so tired of the classism that communists exhibit. If everyone worked, and had PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, then the number of those requiring help would be minimal. End welfare state mentality.

            So, an increase if 1.4% is gonna kill off business because they can't pay or afford the tax hike? What do you think people are complaining about when their health insurance premiums go up every year and they can't afford it (and I'll give you a hint, its A LOT higher than 1.4%). Their personal responsibility makes them choose what they can and cannot spend their money on and fills out from there.

            The system has a lot of flaws in it but can be fixed. How? That's up to every citizen to decide who they want in charge to correct those flaws, and the majority have spoken.

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            • Author by jstephens005 (July 16, 2009 8:16 am ET)
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              Good point. It was a generalization of "people", but the fact remains, that without reward, there is no motivation. You cannot tell me that society AS A WHOLE would succeed without proper motivation. Yes, some may see this as a sacrafice for the greater good...but most will view it as unequal, because you get the same outcome whether or not you work.

              In the past 10 years, no one has been taxed that high. We've been under Republican control :) Seriously, in a post just above this I outlined how 65% will be a reality under the new plan. Its all real numbers from the irs.gov, house.gov, and barackobama.com sites. Nothing crazy there...just simple addition. Now...I also point out that under FDR, tax rates did exceed 90%, and FDR himself proposed a 100% rate for those making 250,000 or more. So, its not out of the question.

              For the gallup point...obviously they were different polls goofball. Just go to gallup.com, and look under the healthcare section. Its all right there.

              For the state and local piece, the answer is a resounding YES!! State and local taxes SHOULD pay for those things. That is my point. NOT FEDERAL. The constitution was written such that the states, and the people closest to the decision makers, have that authority. If someone didn't like it, they could move to a different state. The FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WAS INTENDED TO BE VERY LIMITED!!!

              You have a good point with the military spending. Most Americans do feel that way. I cannot argue. I will say, however, that our current administration is doing the same thing as the previous, but in Afghanistan, not Iraq. But, that is neither here nor there.

              Not sure where you got 1.4%. I was correcting a previous poster with his incorrect 2-3%...so you cannot subtract. The actual number, documented in the proposed healthcare plan, is 5.4%. With most businesses in the US classified as "small biz", this is a HUGE impact, and does eliminate jobs. Period.

              I agree that the system is broken. It's the solution I fear.
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              • Author by Übermensch (July 16, 2009 9:27 am ET)
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                You cannot tell me that society AS A WHOLE would succeed without proper motivation.
                I can and I will, not everyone is a slacker.


                For the state and local piece,
                You still missed my point and I'll try to make it again.
                You mentioned that your tax money should be used for local amenities like police, roads etc. which they are. You also mentioned that "If you review the Constitution, you will see that the federal gov is responsible for protecting its citizens." I would argue that a public option offered by the federal government would fall under that protections you scream the constitution grants the citizens



                I will say, however, that our current administration is doing the same thing as the previous, but in Afghanistan, not Iraq
                Which, by the way if the military is supposed to defend the citizens of the United States with federal money, is where the military should have gone to fight this war on terror in the first place. Iraq wasted all of the tax-payers money.



                The actual number, documented in the proposed healthcare plan, is 5.4%. With most businesses in the US classified as "small biz", this is a HUGE impact, and does eliminate jobs. Period.
                I'll have to ask my employer about this one and I'll get back to you
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                • Author by jstephens005 (July 16, 2009 10:47 am ET)
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                  Read history. What happened in communist Russia when all motivation was removed? Did it succeed? No. What about communist Cuba? How is that society doing? You are fooling yourself, and intellectually dishonest if you think people around the world will collectively work for others.

                  My tax money should NOT go to fund other states budgets. Only my state. And I have heard the crazy argument that federal healthcare is protecting its citizens...that is an absolute STRETCH. Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution describe exactly HOW the federal government is allowed to protect its citizens. Healthcare is NOT ONE OF THEM. READ. On top of that, the constitution explicitly states that any power not explicitly defined is granted to the state, NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!

                  You argument on Iraq vs Afghan is baseless. According to the intel AT THE TIME, Iraq posed a greater threat. Congress on both sides of the aisle agreed overwhelmingly. Read the transcripts. Were there differing opinions? Yes. But the majority believed Iraq was dangerous.
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                  • Author by Übermensch (July 16, 2009 5:18 pm ET)
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                    1. We are not is Soviet Russia or Cuba...But the United States of America. You are fooling yourself into thinking we as great country will end up like them, which I am not psychic, which is highly unlikely

                    2. I'll give you the State tax argument but mine still stands "I know its hard to imagine that there are some people not paying taxes in your state, but still somehow manage to use those roads and police that your taxes are paying for.(and police and firefighters who use roads to help these non-tax paying citizens of your state)".

                    3. If you believe that it is a crazy argument that federal healthcare is protecting its citizens is an absolute STRETCH. I suggest that when you have children, don't ensure them with health coverage. Only protect them from evil-dorers and drugs. Health-related instances you can pay for out of pocket.

                    4. How is my argument baseless? Who cares if congress voted in a majority to go to Iraq, they were not the ones who attacked us in September 11, 2001.
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                  • Author by solon (July 17, 2009 7:35 pm ET)
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                    YOU dont KNOW history. You are brainwashed and only know the DELUSIONAL version you have made up in your head. Who says that all motivation was removed in the USSR? Did you know Gorbachev was an electrician before he went into politics and became the head of the Soviet Union? When was the last time a blue collar laborer became President of the United States? Oh thats right. It has never happened. I see no reason to even READ the rest of your list of delusions that you mistake for reality.
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                  • Author by solon (July 17, 2009 9:01 pm ET)
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                    Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution describe exactly HOW the federal government is allowed to protect its citizens. Healthcare is NOT ONE OF THEM. READ.

                    You are absolutly wrong and this is the stupidest of the arguments about healthcare reform that it is unconstitutional. It says they can tax to prpvide for the commen defense and the general wellfare.

                    YOU may think that doesnt include healthcare. I think it does it is a democratic decision but if you are trying to say it isnt constitutional that is purely ludicrous
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              • Author by solon (July 17, 2009 7:31 pm ET)
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                The Inca were the most organized society in the world in their day. They did huge engineering projects. NO ONE in thier empire went hungry, in a part of the world where right now thousands are starving, theft was UNKNOWN according to the Spaniards. By ANY way to judge a society they were successful. There was no such thing as money. There was no such thing as a profit motive. Just because money is the ONLY THING YOU CARE ABOUT doesnt mean a society can be successful in no other way than to pander to YOUR primative MINE, MINE, selfish, Ebenezer Scrooge worshipping, black little heart.
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          • Author by solon (July 17, 2009 7:18 pm ET)
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            That is a REALLY dumb post. Do you REALLY think that the ONLY reward is money? Are you that superficial and shallow? Do you think people become teachers after getting a degree for the money? I guess as selfish as you are you MAY think this way but its pretty sad.

            As for 60 and 70% when someone is actually calling for that get back to us. Even when the tax WAS that high on the top rate that level was ONLY for the amount of money made ABOVE the lower level of taxation. So no one EVER paid 70% of their entire income when they were paying 70% tax rate.

            Why are we nationalizing? First off we ARENT. I wish we were. However offering a public OPTION is a far cry from nationalizing anything. Second the problem was NEVER that our healthcare ITSELF is bad but its COST and its AVAILABILITY are bad.

            Your next bit of fluff psychology is pure drivel. How much money sent to local charaties would have brought us rural electrification? The Highway system? The satellite technology our telecommunication system is built on? You are very brainwashed and your knee jerk hatred of government is VERY convienient for the richest most powerful people and corporations. You really hate the idea that the poor can benifit at all from the rich and are all about setting it up so the OLD ways apply that is the rich predating on the poor.

            I am tired of the STUPIDITY that you cons exhibit. A whole lot of our economy is public cost turned into private profit. The government has EVERY RIGHT by the constitution to raise taxes where it chooses to promote the general wellfare. You selfish Ebenezer Scrooge worshippers dont like it feel free to get the heck out of my good country go set up your libertarian paradise on an Island and let us watch you re-enact the Lord of the Flies.
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          • Author by princeofwheels (July 15, 2009 11:19 pm ET)
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            Well then, if people are to successful on thier own, why not eliminate all employee paid health care? This will work wonders for the economy.
            First of all, companies can lower prices of thier goods which will then be more affordable which will increase demand which will require employers to hire more people which will lower unemployment which will increase the tax base because more people are working. The companies can then give employees more money with which they can pay for thier own health insurance.
            I think we have found the answer to all of our problems...Everyone pays for everything on thier own...no gifts of healthcare from employers. This also includes all government employees of any level.
            Then, the cost of health care will go down to a very low amount because insurance companies will fight for customers.
            NO MORE BENEFITS EITHER. No IRA's, no retirement plans, nothing.
            You make your own money and pay for everything. jstephens we think alike and agree.
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            • Author by jstephens005 (July 15, 2009 11:39 pm ET)
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              Well...It's an option...but I don't think that businesses should be forced to stop coverage. If they want to provide it as a benefit...they can. It happens today, with contractors being payed slightly more than others to offset the costs of retirement and insurance.

              The basis of this should be that business and workers should get to choose...not the federal government. Period.

              As for other benefits...again, up to the company. If a company chooses not to provide, then yes, their costs are lower, but they may not attract as many employees. Its all part of capitalism.
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              • Author by roundhouse (July 16, 2009 1:20 am ET)
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                You do get to choose. It's not called the public option for no reason. Keep your insurance plan if you like it. Nobody will stop you and anyone who tries to tell you otherwise is a damn liar.
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      • Author by LIBERTY OR DEATH (July 16, 2009 12:50 am ET)
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        SERIOUSLY? Have you seen Social Security? How about Medicaid? Medicare? They are ALL FAILING!!
        SERIOUSLY? Have you seen Social Security? How about Medicaid? Medicare? They are ALL FAILING!!
        It needed to be repeated. why do people think the goverment has the solution to every thing.
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        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (July 16, 2009 7:55 pm ET)
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          There goes your brain, choosing death once more.
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        • Author by roundhouse (July 17, 2009 11:52 am ET)
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          Seriously? Thirty years of tax cuts and you have to wonder why our public institutions are in trouble?
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      • Author by mjh (July 16, 2009 2:28 am ET)
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        "Glenn Beck is a very successful author, radio talk show host, and TV host. No other liberal, progressive, or in most of the people blogging here, communist, is even close." - jstephens005

        You're right . . . no one here is even CLOSE to being as nutty as Glenn Beck is.

        Though I don't begrudge your attempt . .
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      • Author by solon (July 17, 2009 7:07 pm ET)
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        Question for YOU. Are you a COMPLETE MORON? Or just a halfwit CRETIN?
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        • Author by solon (July 17, 2009 7:38 pm ET)
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          That was for Stephenson who asked if we were communists or half socialists. A false dichotomy for a false dichtomy and one rude mischaracerization for another
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    • Author by bcamod (July 15, 2009 8:40 pm ET)
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      You have to admit, Beck did give a valid answer to the caller's question

      Caller: I'm asking you. What would you do to change this health care system for the better? ...

      Beck: GET OFF MY PHONE! GET OFF MY PHONE YOU LITTLE PINHEAD! ...
      (shrill)GET-OFF-MY-PHONE(/shrill)

      Oh, wait, no he didn't. He just screamed his head off in lieu of giving a legitimate response (since he did not have one). Glenn's upcoming book which he shamelessly plugged will surely be filled with nothing but conservative platitudes, but, having listened to this clip, if Beck were to narrate it I would certainly give the audiobook a shot if just for fun.
      (Glenn shrill): "ACORN" IS THE DEVIL, RONALD REAGAN IS GOD.(/Glenn shrill)
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    • Author by NICKDABUILDER11634 (July 15, 2009 9:50 pm ET)
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      THIS WAS ONE OF BECKS BEST YET. IT WAS CLEAR THE CALLER HAS NEVER LISTENED TO HIS SHOW BEFORE. BECK HAS STOOD UP FOR WHATS WRITE TIME AND TIME AGAIN. MAYBE THAT'S WHY HIS NEW BOOK IS STILL AT THE TOP OF THE BEST SELLERS LIST FOR THE FOURTH STRAIGHT WEEK. AMERICANS DON'T LIKE TO READ LIBERAL BOOKS ON THE DESTRUCTION OF AMERICA.
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      • Author by roundhouse (July 15, 2009 11:37 pm ET)
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        You do realize those books are bought in bulk by various groups to artificially inflate their popularity?
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (July 16, 2009 7:51 am ET)
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        Why should I believe someone too stupid to turn off CapsLock?
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        • Author by RABBITLUVR (July 16, 2009 10:09 am ET)
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          And confuses 'write' with 'right'.
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          • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (July 16, 2009 7:57 pm ET)
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            With all the bad books they put out, maybe they should be called "write-wing"...
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    • Author by katydidnt (July 15, 2009 9:57 pm ET)
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      What kind of unhinged person can accept no absolutely criticism? The shrieking may have just been an act to detract from the fact that he had no actual answers to the caller's question about Becks proposal to fix healthcare.
      I'm unaware of these legions of foreign dignitaries who are flocking to the US to get healthcare.
      And didn't Beck say his doctor screwed up a few years when he tried to fix Beck's butt? So either Beck had a really screwed up butt, or a really bad doctor, or both. Was that a shining example of our great American healthcare system? And he has $50 million to buy his healthcare. What about the rest of us poor people? If our butts become infected, we're going to be in big trouble.
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      • Author by wulverine3923 (July 15, 2009 11:45 pm ET)
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        Yes, the favorite argument among those that dont' want a universal style, or socialist health care system, is that we have the best healthcare in the world (according to my mother, who works for THA, that would be an incorrect statement) that others come here...they fail to mention one line...that others come here...THAT CAN AFFORD IT.
        There are going to be some trade offs to get the healthcare we all deserve, lets just make sure its one we can swallow..We need it now,
        HR676 and S706!
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      • Author by robyn20094113 (July 16, 2009 4:38 am ET)
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        so either Beck had a really screwed up butt, or a really bad doctor
        It was the first brain surgery in that part of the anatomy.
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    • Author by wulverine3923 (July 15, 2009 11:42 pm ET)
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      This guy is such a jerk. The irrational fear that he and Limbaugh, Hannity, among others peddle, are exactly what holds our country back. I find it funny, the term of choice for democrats/liberals/progressives according to conservative/republican's is wacko, crazy, etc. yet...we have idiots like this, influencing other misinformed, undereducated, backwarda55 country bumpkins, that will give their very last dollar to the people that want to do the least for them. It boggles the mind.
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    • Author by r4ng3rjohn (July 16, 2009 12:10 am ET)
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      never mind what hes saying, lets just attack the delivery
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (July 16, 2009 7:58 pm ET)
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        His delivery and his words are a screeching failure.
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      • Author by roundhouse (July 17, 2009 11:44 am ET)
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        Why don't you paraphrase what he said for us? You cant' do it because he didn't make a point.
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    • Author by papabear45 (July 16, 2009 12:11 am ET)
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      I love how at about 3:30 in his voice breaks and he almost cries. i would have given anything to be in the room.
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    • Author by mjh (July 16, 2009 2:25 am ET)
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      Beck: "None . . . nobody in my family has ever, had an illness . . "

      I guess "mental" doesn't count . . .

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    • Author by teabaggers ♥ [wing]NUTS (July 16, 2009 3:58 am ET)
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      lmao... "GET OFF MY PHONE!" *SQUEAL*

      have fun at the mental institution, glenny. they'll probably make you wear a diaper so you dont wet yourself squealing like a pig again.

      [http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_sn8rHLP3qU8/Sd40_xzq2PI/AAAAAAAABWM/Efe27s_3dFI/s320/beck+crying.jpg]
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    • Author by WhatImlost (July 16, 2009 5:02 am ET)
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      wait a minute, I thought the contry everyone went to when they couldnt get the operations and med's they need was Cuba?

      Seriously I never hear about non-american politicians coming here for medical treatment, well execpt the Shaw, I always hear they go to Cuba...

      Also when Beck got angry I honestly had to fight the urge to laugh, he sounded completely non-threating and I honestly though "AWWW He sounds so cute when he's mad".....:)
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      • Author by mikelets456 (July 16, 2009 2:09 pm ET)
           
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MaJLbJDuAc&feature=fvsr

        Love double standards.
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (July 16, 2009 7:59 pm ET)
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        The "Shaw?"

        George Bernard, perhaps?

        Please.
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    • Author by markbfoot199 (July 16, 2009 4:47 pm ET)
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      I agree, the caller was a pinhead, she was full of lies, had no ideas about what she was talking about around the world. Why do other world leaders come here for health care? Why did Castro fly in a doctor from another country to help him? So, Glenn was right, the caller was wrong.
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      • Author by roundhouse (July 17, 2009 11:41 am ET)
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        Typical Republicant, arguing against an argument that hasn't even been made. We all know it ain't our doctors that are broken, it's our system of providing care to hard working Americans who can't afford a doctor that's broken.

        Idiot.
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    • Author by jonesjax2374 (July 16, 2009 4:48 pm ET)
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      What IS the alternate solution from those opposing universal health care? WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? "Are there no prisons? Are there no poor houses?" See you in the emergency room.
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      • Author by markbfoot199 (July 16, 2009 4:57 pm ET)
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        Jones, to start I do not agree that I should pay for individuals health care. I agree there are those whom need help and are not able to work or provide a living for themselves, and should receive some type of help. I do not beleive I should have money taken out of my check to help someone who does not even want to help themselves. I do not think I should pay for someones else's way that is able body to pay their own. Why should help pay for a individuals healthcare whom will not even take care of themselves? So you think a person that does drugs and damages their body should get free healthcare? The person that over eats and puts themselves for other risk should get free healthcare, how about the person that smokes and gets cancer, they should get free healthcare. Too many people take advantage of the government assistance now, why do you not think they will do the same with a government run health care. So in return let me ask you this, show many any government run healthcare we have not that works? Medicade is broke, medicare is broke, the veterans health care does not work, so why would I want a government run healthcare? They have shown not proof of success, so why trust them with my healthcare?
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        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (July 16, 2009 8:01 pm ET)
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          "I've got mine, screw those who need help."

          That's very Christian of you.
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        • Author by roundhouse (July 17, 2009 11:33 am ET)
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          Blah, blah, blah.

          Working people's wages have stagnated as the wealthiest among us have experienced huge increases income over the last twenty years and you want to blame someone who can't afford the outrageous cost of health insurance?

          Why don't you cons ever fight for equality? Why don't you ever fight to expand rights for your fellow citizens? Throughout our history it has been the conservative who has fought progress every step of the way. How very proud you must be

          Screw you.
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        • Author by roundhouse (July 17, 2009 11:37 am ET)
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          And again, you punks have no answer when asked directly what your alternative is.

          You suck.
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    • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (July 16, 2009 5:16 pm ET)
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      GLENN BECK is a waste of human flesh, (that is if he is really human.)
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    • Author by 2foodie (July 16, 2009 5:28 pm ET)
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      I love how Glenn was able to calm down long enough to plug his upcoming book! LOL, I am sure his 12 or 13 fans are already sitting outside their local Barnes and Nobel, waiting in line to buy his best book ever! HA
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    • Author by mustardman (July 16, 2009 7:55 pm ET)
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      We are almost there people. We have almost made Becks head explode. Yes we can!
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    • Author by Rokkie08 (July 16, 2009 8:48 pm ET)
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      I notice in all the posts that he is being personally attacked.
      No comments on the issues or points that he brings up. Attacking
      a person's personality is the first step toward cennsorship
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      • Author by RABBITLUVR (July 16, 2009 11:26 pm ET)
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        Uh-huh. And Becky sure was at the top of his game when he answered Kathy's points in a calm and reasoned manner... I think NOT! And censorship? Please... you're playing a very ineffective card there, I must say.

        Nice try there 'rokkie'... more like 'rookie' to me...
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    • Author by danielt (July 16, 2009 10:57 pm ET)
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      I really believe that people like Beck are fascists. It is scary to know people like this have millions of fans. What is even worse is that they are telling the very same lies about health care as they did in 1993-94 when Clinton tried to fix it.

      How about Beck's sidekick who just sits there "That's right Glenn?"
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    • Author by danajang (July 16, 2009 11:49 pm ET)
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      Why doesn't Beck and his sidekick talk about how many people go to mexico to get medical care because they can't afford it here. I have a friend whos parents go to Mexico for most of there medical and dental care.

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    • Author by hypnometal (July 17, 2009 1:57 am ET)
         
      Funny thing is Michael Moore's meltdowns didn't include all the screaming that Glenn Beck's meltdowns do. ;-)
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    • Author by acancer (July 17, 2009 2:46 am ET)
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      Glenn, I love you. I have stage 4 Cancer. My insurance company
      has been awesome with my family and me. If I had to go on Nationwide Health Care, I would be dead and long gone. I have the same passion as you do. Our Country is going to hell. I come from
      parents who were immigrants and taught us the American way of life.
      To work hard for what you want not to sponge off this Country.
      I am sick and tired of our hard earned money going to free loaders. Give me a chance to go off on PINHEADS LIKE THAT ONE.
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    • Author by werescrewed (July 17, 2009 7:48 am ET)
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      You people are retarded. He's hysterical and correct, and she's a looney liberal puppet.
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (July 17, 2009 9:25 am ET)
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        And your argument was well-researched, supported buy facts and reason, and very logical in it's tone...

        Wait, it was none of those things. You really be careful calling anyone else "retarded" until the results are back from your own IQ tests.

        Hey! They're back!

        Q.What did "werescrewed" get on his IQ test?
        A. Drool
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (July 17, 2009 9:25 am ET)
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        And your argument was well-researched, supported buy facts and reason, and very logical in it's tone...

        Wait, it was none of those things. You really be careful calling anyone else "retarded" until the results are back from your own IQ tests.

        Hey! They're back!

        Q.What did "werescrewed" get on his IQ test?
        A. Drool
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        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (July 17, 2009 9:28 am ET)
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          "Buy" should be "by" above, and I've finally been hit woith the multiple post anomaly.

          Very often, in the past week or so, MMfA has timed out with a "Bad Gateway" error. I also notice that a lot of page content is coming from a server called "cloudfront.mediamatters.org" I think this server has some sort of configuration or communication problem, because the site has not been acting the way it should. Clicking on "reply" doesn't always open a comment window, the thumbs buttons don't always respond, and clicking once on the "save" button sometimes causes multiple copies of the same post to appear.
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    • Author by jojothedoggirl (July 17, 2009 8:11 am ET)
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      I have never heard anything as funny as this was. Boy, how nice would if have been to have video of this rant.Ole' muggin beck sure out did himself.
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    • Author by canaanxing9025 (July 17, 2009 11:43 am ET)
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      I have come to the conclusion Fox News and the right wing radio shows resemble a circus.

      Like every circus there is the Ringmaster,(Rush Limbaugh) the Barkers, (Hannity, Levin) the highwire act, (Shepard Smith, Greta Van Sustern)the freak shows (Glenn Beck, Fox and Friends, Brian and the Judge, Savage,etc). In order to distract from the illusion, some of the shows feature an overly made up, provocatively dressed woman as an assistant.

      Behind all of this is Roger Ailes,(P. T. Barnum)profiting,and the RNC maintaining the base.
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