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Matthews asks: Obama worried that if Dems lose NJ, VA gov. races, "he will be seen as a lame duck almost"? 

July 16, 2009 6:29 pm ET

From the July 16 edition of MSNBC's Hardball:

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    • Author by shaggles (July 16, 2009 6:39 pm ET)
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      Are you freakin' kidding me?
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    • Author by platanoman3029 (July 16, 2009 6:47 pm ET)
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      In 1994, Democrats lost tons of seats including governorship in NJ, VA, and New York. Clinton still won. Another dumb argument by Matthews
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    • Author by IncompleteProcess (July 16, 2009 6:49 pm ET)
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      Chris Matthews loses his marbles from time to time just as he did early in this program when whined about Sonia Sotomayor not being dramatic enough.

      Obama seems to love chanllenges so we will wait any see
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    • Author by mk3872 (July 16, 2009 7:21 pm ET)
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      Brilliant analysis, simply brilliant. Every Dem in the country = Barack Obama. With just 3.5 years left in office, he will be a lame duck. Good grief.
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      • Author by mjh (July 16, 2009 7:56 pm ET)
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        Hell, there were several wingnuts who called for Obama's impeachment -- weeks BEFORE his inauguration.

        Calling him a "lame duck" with 75% of his term left makes about as much sense.
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    • Author by congero6189599 (July 16, 2009 7:26 pm ET)
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      Chris Matthews was still upset by the beat down he and Pat Buchanan had suffered by the representative from the NAACP in an earlier segment about the RICCI case. It's still amazing to me how people can still consider this man a "liberal"? The lines have becomed really skewered.
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      • Author by Jurgan (July 17, 2009 3:20 am ET)
           
        I don't really think his liberal or conservative. I see him as just an all-purpose buffoon.
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    • Author by mjh (July 16, 2009 7:53 pm ET)
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      Matthews asks: Obama worried that if Dems lose NJ, VA gov. races, "he will be seen as a lame duck almost"?

      Tell you what, Tweety . . .

      I'll consider Obama a "lame duck" IF, and only IF,
      the following occurs:

      Instead of the Dems losing the governorships {which are STATE, not NATIONAL, offices, BTW} in two states Obama handily WON in 2008;

      - EVERY incumbent Dem up for reelection in the '10 midterms loses

      - EVERY GOP challenger in the '10 midterms wins

      - and, Obama refers to the '10 midterms as a "thumpin'"

      Deal?
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    • Author by LIBERTY OR DEATH (July 16, 2009 9:45 pm ET)
         
      It would not be good but lame duck, I don,t think so
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    • Author by Luis81 (July 16, 2009 10:05 pm ET)
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      Lame duck?
      Really?
      Does any one know his approval rating?
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    • Author by savage_rider (July 16, 2009 10:58 pm ET)
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      The same thing happened less than a year into George W. Bush's presidency, only with the parties reversed. Democrats picked up the NJ and VA governorships in the fall of 2001, which had previously been won by republicans in 1993 and 1997. We should search the archives to see if Chris Matthews and Chuck Todd fretted that this would make Pres. Bush a lame duck, but my guess is that they didn't do this at the time, and therefore it wouldn't apply now.
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      • Author by mjh (July 18, 2009 4:48 am ET)
           
        "The same thing happened less than a year into George W. Bush's presidency, only with the parties reversed. Democrats picked up the NJ and VA governorships in the fall of 2001, which had previously been won by republicans in 1993 and 1997. We should search the archives to see if Chris Matthews and Chuck Todd fretted that this would make Pres. Bush a lame duck . . . "

        Tweety call Bush a "lame duck"/

        Hardly . . . by 2004 Matthews was comparing Bush to Churchill and saying his face belonged on Mt. Rushmore . . .
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    • Author by jcalton (July 17, 2009 1:09 am ET)
         
      This is just dumb.
      Chris Matthews needs to script more and free-form less. Take some breaths. Think before speaking. Consult notes (have notes).

      I think he's probably smarter when the red light on the camera isn't on. I could be wrong.

      He's getting awfully close to joining the network of old angry white men yelling into microphones/cameras for a living. But he hasn't made the leap yet.
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    • Author by ufleirx (July 17, 2009 8:32 am ET)
         
      Matthews might as well said, "If the sun comes up will Obama be a lame duck." As a Virginian, I will say it is about time to change parties in the governorship -- not that I want the GOP in the position, but historically at least over the last ten elections we flip parties about every 2.5 elections for governor.

      Given the economy (no matter whose fault), a general perception of Kaine (not my favorite governor), and without a real dynamo running for the Democrats overcoming these two things -- I think McDonnell has a better than 50/50 shot at winning.
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