Days after Pilgrim answered them, Dobbs claims Obama birth certificate "questions won't go away"
July 20, 2009 8:52 pm ET
From the July 20 edition of CNN's Lou Dobbs Tonight:
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I know a lot of people, including myself, who never accepted Bush's 2000 "victory" as legitimate. I don't recall people who believed, like I did, that Bush stole the election getting this kind of airtime nine months after the fact. And there is NOTHING to this Obama birth certificate nonsense- NOTHING.
These "birthers" will accept no evidence of Obama's US birth because they're ideologues -- the same kind of people who can praise Bush for warrantless wiretaps and detentions without charges, but then claim that OBAMA is acting like a dictator. Their media enablers will continue to abet this myth. All we can do is keep knocking it down so it doesn't gain any more traction than it already has.
And as Rush said, God doesn't have a birth certificate either. If that is the case, can we believe he is really God? (I'm using ConLogic again and it really hurts my head)
If Obama has one, then cough it up.
They each show: baby's name, date, time, and location of birth; name, birth date and birth location of mother; name, birth date and birth location of father; name of informant -- on mine it's my mother and father, on my daughters' it's their mother's and mine; name and signature of certifier -- in each case, the vital records supervisor in the town/city clerk's office where the birth took place; and finally, the name and signature of the city/town clerk where the birth took place.
What's NOT on any of these birth certificates? The name and signature of a doctor.
Now, let's suppose that Obama's DID have a doctor's signature on it. Do you doubt for a minute that the birthers will move on to say said doctor doesn't exist, had his signature forged, was bribed, or was coerced?
And after THAT argument is debunked, do you doubt for a minute that the birthers will raise a new one? And another? And another?
Think JFK assassination. You can show people through simple geometry that the shots came from the fifth floor of the book depository. You can tell them that the people on the fourth floor heard the action of Oswald's rifle as he worked the bolt, and the shell casings as they hit the floor. You can tell them that of all the employees at the depository, only Oswald left after the shooting. All of these things are obvious, and point to Oswald's blatant guilt.
The conspiracy theorists will tell you there was a gunman in the storm drain who ran away in the sewers. Knock that down and they'll tell you there was a guy behind the fence on the grassy knoll. Knock that down and they'll tell you there were multiple gunmen on every building around Dealey Plaza. Knock that down and they'll tell you about shooters on the freeway overpass, or on the train tracks, and on and on and on. To them, evidence that they're wrong is merely proof of a conspiracy so vast it can manufacture evidence.
So the fact that Obama's birth certificate doesn't have a doctor's signature means nothing. The talking point that he hasn't shown a "long form" (whatever THAT is) copy of his birth certificate is equally meaningless. Why? Because NOTHING will satisfy conservative ideologues who are committed to arguing against Obama regardless of facts and evidence.
There is still zero credible evidence to support any of their claims.
My favorite example is that "it is common knowledge in Kenya that Obama was born there". Hilarious. It was also common knowledge that Iraq had vast stockpiles of WMD's at one time. "Common knowledge" is no substitute for credible facts and evidence - which they do not have.
Sort of like bogeying up a death certificate and taking some other identity to avoid taxes or large debt (I am sure that has never been done in the United States)
I'd call that the dumbest argument I've ever heard, but it would be elevating it to call it an "argument."
I'm sure there is a lot of anger at a KKK rally too!
These people are in denial... they are looking for any out that could reverse the "horror" of the election.
I wish we could pull back the camera and see how many in the audience are white... my guess is all of them!
And Mr. Dobbs, you are a "birther"... how dare you say "you are reporting the accusation..." You have been making the accusation!! You didn't even mention that the birth certificate has been verified and validated almost a year ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V1nmn2zRMc&feature=player_embedded
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It was pretty much the crowd that I expected, although I did see some people who look embarrassed or exacerbated by that crazy lady...
After all, she had a birth certificate from the United States of America, so naturally she's better than President Obama.. also because she is white.
http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html
http://www.kitv.com/politics/17860890/detail.html
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
Even the radical extremist teabag website confirms it:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73214
You liberals have no standards at all - laws don't matter to you.
Obama admitted on his website that he was born a British citizen - I challenge one of you fools to find one credible definition anywhere that would apply natural born citizenship to a dual-nationality citizen.
Oh, and Obama is more Arab and white than black - so give up the stupid KKK thing - you are a bunch of phonies that have no intellectual abilities - no one here has ever gone to a critical reasoning class or was born with any common sense -
If Obama is so innocent, why does he hide his long form birth certificate - that could show a foreign birth under Hawaiian laws full of loop holes and would show he was adopted and became an Indonesian citizen, his passport records, his college financial records - that would show him as an Indonesian foreign exchange student, his health records, etc.
Obama is a crook, you will someday come to realize that - hopefully before he completely destroys the country by destroying our Defenses, taking us into double digit unemployment, having him become the "decider" of who will live and who will die under his "health" scam, giving away a trillion dollars to his political allies and not producing any jobs, trying to implement cap and trade which will cause a huge tax on the lower and middle classes and cause millions of jobs to be lost..
when are you people going to wake up?
Why should we talk about it? No one even brought anything like that up.
You liberals have no standards at all - laws don't matter to you.
A wildly inaccurate broad-brush attack; this doesn't bode well for whatever follows.
Obama admitted on his website that he was born a British citizen - I challenge one of you fools to find one credible definition anywhere that would apply natural born citizenship to a dual-nationality citizen.
Provide a link. If such an "admission" exists, Dobbs and the other birthers would surely have used it by now.
And if you're going to call us "fools," don't you think you have to prove yourself more intelligent and informed first? Good luck with that.
Oh, and Obama is more Arab and white than black - so give up the stupid KKK thing - you are a bunch of phonies that have no intellectual abilities - no one here has ever gone to a critical reasoning class or was born with any common sense -
This is getting sillier as it goes on. I'm going to stop here because you clearly are in over your head with this issue, and are beyond the reach of reason.
Right, because we know the KKK ONLY hates blacks, and is so open minded about Arabs and people of mixed ethnicity. Talk about no common sense.
Obama has provided a legal birth certificate, verified by the State of Hawaii. A long form birth certificate wouldn't satisfy you, because you would just claim it is forged, without any reason to suspect it, except your bigotry and hatred of the man driving your mistrust. And quit pulling stuff out of your rear end, or other conspiracy websites, you have no such documents of his alleged adoption. You, or someone else, made it up, quit crying.
- SHEEP21small
Sheeple, please list your qualifications to make this statement. I assume that you have a background in ethnology, anthropolgy, population studies, etc.
I don't know how else you would be able to make the claim that the son of a Caucasian woman from Kansas and a Kenyan African man is "more Arab" . . .
Speaking of LAWS.....
Oct 30 2008 Petition for a writ of certiorari before judgment filed. (Response due December 1, 2008)
Oct 31 2008 Application (08A391) for an injunction pending the disposition of the petition for a writ of certiorari, submitted to Justice Souter.
Nov 3 2008 Supplemental brief of applicant Philip J. Berg filed.
Nov 3 2008 Application (08A391) denied by Justice Souter.
Nov 18 2008 Waiver of right of respondents Federal Election Commission, et al. to respond filed.
Dec 1 2008 Motion for leave to file amicus brief filed by Bill Anderson.
Dec 8 2008 Application (08A505) for an injunction pending the disposition of the petition for a writ of certiorari, submitted to Justice Souter.
Dec 9 2008 Application (08A505) denied by Justice Souter.
Dec 15 2008 Application (08A505) refiled and submitted to Justice Kennedy.
Dec 17 2008 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of January 9, 2009.
Dec 17 2008 Application (08A505) denied by Justice Kennedy.
Dec 18 2008 Application (08A505) refiled and submitted to Justice Scalia.
Dec 23 2008 Application (08A505) referred to the Court.
Dec 23 2008 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of January 16, 2009.
Jan 12 2009 Motion for leave to file amicus brief filed by Bill Anderson GRANTED.
Jan 12 2009 Petition DENIED.
Jan 21 2009 Application (08A505) denied by the Court.
The definition of denied: 1. To declare untrue; contradict.
2. To refuse to believe; reject. 3. To refuse to recognize or acknowledge; disavow.
Obama admitted on his website that he was born a British citizen - I challenge one of you fools to find one credible definition anywhere that would apply natural born citizenship to a dual-nationality citizen.
PROOF? LINK? Of course NOT, you just enjoy pulling crap outta your butt!
when are you people going to wake up?
And YOU actually have the nerve to ask THAT question after the insanity YOU just posted? PLEASEEEEE SEEK HELP or CHANGE YOUR TIN FOIL!
Natural Born Citizen
Birth Certificate
The 14th Amendment "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
Title 8, Section 1401 of the U.S. Code defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"
* Anyone born inside the United States *
* Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
* Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
* Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
* Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
* A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
You're wrong, admit it.
I'm sorry but I had to laugh at your ignorance in your comment. The Constitution is the Supreme law, not any US code or law of Congress.
I quote Vattel, the historical authority on citizens,
"I say that, in order to be of the COUNTRY, it is necessary that a person be born of the FATHER who is a "citizen", for, if he is BORN of a FOREIGNER, it will only be the place of his BIRTH and not his COUNTRY".
Obama's COUNTRY is Kenya not America and his citizenship is British because of his father, not US.
Obama: British born, NOT NATURAL BORN
I'm RIGHT and I admit it.
So why not quote the Constitution, guy? Because it doesn't support your desperate claim.
I quote Vattel, the historical authority on citizens,
Since Vattel died in 1767, I reject his authority on U.S. citizens.
"I say that, in order to be of the COUNTRY, it is necessary that a person be born of the FATHER who is a "citizen", for, if he is BORN of a FOREIGNER, it will only be the place of his BIRTH and not his COUNTRY".
Stunningly irrelevant to U.S. law.
Obama's COUNTRY is Kenya not America and his citizenship is British because of his father, not US.
Obama: British born, NOT NATURAL BORN
Obama was born in the U.S., is just as much an American citizen as you are, and all your huffing and puffing won't change that. We managed to get by after eight years of an arguably illegitimate presidency; surely you can endure a legitimate one, can't you?
I'm RIGHT and I admit it.
That's "right" as the short version of "right-wing conspiratorially-minded nutcase with no legitimate gripe against the man who won the presidency with a plurality of over eight million votes, but I'll continue my ridiculous and often-disproved tirade about his citizenship because it makes me feel like an adult." It's not "right" as in "correct," not by a long shot.
Reason this out, guy. If there was a genuine case to be made about Obama's citizenship, why are there no actual politicians or judges--you know, the ones that can actually do anything about it--bringing it up? Why is it only mentioned by the blowhards in the media and their weak-minded sycophants? Why didn't McCain mention it even once? Why didn't Palin? If his presidency isn't legit, why did Chief Justice Roberts administer the oath of office? Can you just admit that you dislike Obama and let it go at that? Be honest and admit that you simply don't accept the proof of Obama's citizenship because of your own petty reasons, but don't chastise us for not playing along.
FIXED
When it comes to the Constitution of the United States, written 20 years after he died, Vattel ain't sh!t.
The citizenship of the parents only matters if you were born outside of the United States... which I guess is what all these Birthers are trying to claim.
Maybe you should claim that President Obama was born in the FEMA camps, by the grassy knoll, also known as Area 51 and in Hanger 13.
They all must be drinking the crazy juice again
It's a lose-lose situation for them once they made the Kenya argument, I think. If it really is so simple as "both of his parents must be citizens", then why so much talk about the birth certificate? Even in the best-case scenario, people are bringing Kenya up for no good reason. That comes off as racist, which discredits the movement whether they have a legitimate case or not.
For the YOU to have the slightest chance of NOT being INSANE, YOU need to buy a new brain!
Seriously, YOU are the perfect example of why NORMAL folks think you jacka**es are insane!
The New York Times demanded an investigation into McCain's citizenship because of his birth certificate. McCain also released his authentic birth certificate which was not computer generated by a website.
The cowards in the senate complied with Sen Res #511, April 2008, finding McCain a "Natural born" citizen. Wrongly, I believe.
The cowards did not investigate the Son of a goat herder from Kenya and a British citizen. Why was that not done?
I guess that being the Son of a goat herder is more important than the son and grandson of US Naval officers.
The election of 2008 is nothing but a cruel joke on the American people.
Depends on whether or not Obama was trying to get into Annapolis.
"The election of 2008 is nothing but a cruel joke on the American people."
Naw, just a joke on the unhinged wingnuts like you . . .
And please, what-if-a-Republican did it is too 2nd Grade for people around here. But I'll play...George Bush cannot prove he wasn't AWOL from his post in Alabama..He should have to prove he was there. The Republicans decried any suggestion that he wasn't AWOL with out proof. The original birth certificate has been attested to by the Governor of Hawaii, a McCain supporter. According to ConLogic, if Obama wasn't born in Hawaii, Bush was AWOL. Now wasn't that fun. Two ridiculous claims..which has been proven and which hasn't????? NEXT
He didn't.
Not saying this because I'm supportive of Cheney or Bush . . . just being protective of my home state. Many Texans wish these carpetbaggers had just stayed the heck out of our state.
Texas is a great state and no income taxes. Wow.
You either did not take the time to do even rudimentary research before making this statement, or else you did and are therefore being willfully dishonest. Personally, I can't decide which it is; then again, I have the same problem regarding things Sean Hannity says.
Quit listening to the idiots who are try to get you to believe otherwise, even though they don't believe it, it makes you look foolish.
Just how does that work?
Obama: British born, NOT NATURAL BORN!!
The logic isn't that difficult to follow... maybe it is for you "guy"
Just say that you believe the birth certificate that he has produced is a fake and move on... this other argument about his parents is irrelevant.
If that were true, the president of China whose has a COLB from Hawaii would be eligible to be president. NOT!!
Obama: British Born, NOT NATURAL BORN!!
If that were true, the president of China whose has a COLB from Hawaii would be eligible to be president. NOT!!"
- NaturalBornIdiot
There's just one problem with that -- the current president of China, Hu Jintao, wasn't born in Hawaii.
NEXT!!
Here is the relevant portion of the United State Constitution - Article II - which primarily deals with the duties of the president and vice-president, as well as the prerequisites to holding those offices. Pay close attention to the fifth clause of Section 1, which states that "[n]o person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States ... shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States." That's it. That's all it says. These are the only requirements to eligibility.
While we're at it, here's the Fourteenth Amendment, ratified in 1868. This is an important one, as it marks the first instance of Constitutional law directly addressing the rights and requirements of U.S. citizenship. You'll want to read the first clause of Section One (also known as the "Citizenship Clause") in particular, which states that "[a]ll persons born ... in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside." Hmmm. Nope, no mention of parental nationality there. Nope, nothing on dual citizenship either. In fact, I can't find any mention of either of those issues anywhere in the Constitution. I dunno, maybe I'm missing something. Tell ya what: why don't you just go ahead and parse the thing yourself? You can let me know know if ya find anything. (Also, here's a definition for the verb "to parse", as I know it's not one you hear often on Fox & Friends.)
And while we're it it, why don't we break out a second encore of that beloved old chestnut, Title 8, Section 1401 of the U.S. Code? I know it's a lot to read, but as a concerned citizen of this great nation, I also know that you'll want to be as well-informed as possible. It's probably gonna take a while, (especially if you read everything as thoroughly as I'm certain you will,) but I'm sure everyone on this thread is willing to wait while you catch up with the rest of the class.
You are ignoring the law.
Here we go again with the 'true' American bull sh*t!
IF you're such a true American then YOU should respect the laws of this nation which says:
If you are the accuser "the necessity of proof always lies with the person who lays charges."
So it's up to you to either PUT UP or SHUT UP!! Because honestly, by the time you folks are done with this latest insanity, Republicans will be polling at about 1% approval, which is really just fine with me.
Too late, Pat Buchanan's already been doing it.
If we're talking about birth certificates here, then the theory is that Obama spent some small amount of time out of the country when he was born. Even if this were true, and was technically disqualifying as to "natural-born citizen", Obama might not even know it's the case. He might fully believe that he was born in Hawaii. In that case, there would be no attempt to deceive.
I do recognize the difference between a prosecution and a qualification, but this aspect is part of what makes the whole thing seem so ridiculous. There's no tangible difference in whether he spent the first few days of his life in Wales, Warsaw or Walla Walla. If he was actually born out of the country, he may not even know it, which makes taking away his office, exposing him to ridicule, probably destroying any future political hopes, etc. to be much more difficult to justify. The ramifications of disqualifying him at this point are historically tremendous.
This is the problem I have with the entire debate, no matter who we're talking about. If Bush was in the same situation I would blow it off as well, because there's no sense of judgment involved here whatsoever. Any fair and sensible consideration of the pros and cons of impeachment leads to the conclusion that the idea is beyond ludicrous.
I think it's interesting that they never invoke Chief Justice John Roberts' willing collusion with the hypothetical fraud.
Don't ask them to use Occam's Razor, they'll head down to WalMart to look for it on the shelf.
All things being equal, the simplest explanation is probably the correct one.
Translation: Obama has had all his records SEALED and has hired Perkins Coie law firm from D.C. to fight any release of original bc, school records, selective service, etc.. because there is something on those documents that he doesn't want anyone to see.
These people really believe this conspiracy started from his birth?? lunatics! and Dobbs should NEVER even hint at support of these types of displays from Americans acting SO unamerican.
He gives a crowd of Obama haters taxpayer airtime. He must be losing his mind.
Journalism, it seems to me, should require that if there is a genuine need to keep running these false claims, that the networks should then run the sound/video bites from the Governor of Hawaii and others who have attested to the legal proof of our President's legal status.
Have all of the cable "news" shows gone the way of Fox by calling one side reporting "fair and balanced?"
Title 8, Section 1401 of the U.S. Code defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"
* Anyone born inside the United States *
* Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
* Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
* Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
* Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
* A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
Obama is a citizen because of the first of these conditions. Even if he was born in Kenya--a common birther claim--he would still be a citizen because of the seventh condition. Your condition, that he is not a citizen because both his parents weren't natural-born citizens, does not exist in the legal code and would be laughed out of any court in which you tried to make it an issue.
Obama "admits" that his father was born in Kenya because it's true. It's also irrelevant to questions about Obama's citizenship.
If you really learned about the constitution in your school days, and can come up with inaccurate drivel like this, then your questions about people being so dumb, your swipes at "No Child Left Behind," and your calls about people waking up all bounce back to you.
Obama may or may not be a US Citizen by way of the first 3 conditions, but that has nothing to do with being a Natural Born Citizen as required to be POTUS.
A wildly inaccurate broad-brush attack; this doesn't bode well for whatever follows.
Agreed - but that goes both ways. Let's discuss it like adults without name calling. I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong - I'm saying there are issues that need to be addressed regarding Obama's eligibility. I very well could be overlooking some information and not aware of some pertinent information that would change my mind or prove my theory irrelevant. But if we continue to call each other names and make wildly inaccurate broad attacks - we will never accomplish anything.
Obama admitted on his website that he was born a British citizen - I challenge one of you fools to find one credible definition anywhere that would apply natural born citizenship to a dual-nationality citizen. Provide a link.
You're right - he didn't state he was born a British Citizen - he stated "When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.
Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982."
I find it very interesting that his website: Fight the smears original website has been removed - along with this statement; however, there is still access via Google cache or here is the backup link that some wise soul created: http://www.fightthesmears.com.php5-9.websitetestlink.com/articles/5/birthcertificate
Yes, there are still issues with this confession, both for and against Obama. BTW - the donation links and sign up links still work perfectly, even from the google cache link! ;)
Here are my questions:
1. While nothing says Obama must be born in a hospital, I'm concerned that there have been some recent problems with just which Hawaiian Hospital is going to step forward and take credit for his birth. FactCheck has recently changed the hospital name from Queens to match that of a letter that supposedly Obama wrote to Kapiolani, saying he was born there. That is a problem area for me - so what hospital was Obama actually born at? Changing the names of hospitals like I change socks makes me go - hummmmmmm.
2. The Kenyan government says that if Obama does not denounce his US Citizenship, he relinquishes his Kenyan birthright. Ok, but what if he doesn't denounce either his Kenyan or his US citizenship. Well after his 21st birthday, Obama travelled to Kenya (on US taxpayer dollar) to campaign for a paternal relative who happenes to believes in Sharia Law. Now - does such an act constitute:
1) continued paternal loyalty
2) belief in Sharia Law
3) non-verbal affirmation of his Kenyan citizenship?
3. Obama has appointed Harold Koh as a legal advisor. Koh not only believes in Sharia Law but also Transnationalism. Going back to quesiton #2 - does this show a pattern that perhaps Obama too, believes in Sharia Law? Where does Obama stand on Transnationalism? And if he believes in neither, why would he campaign for a paternal relative who does, or appoint a legal advisor who does? Perhaps he has continued dual-loyalties?
Most important question:
4. During the election, then Senator Obama published a statement at his website which said that his birth status was “governed” by the British Nationality Act of 1948. Can you please tell me how a natural born citizen of the United States can be governed – at birth – by British law?
I'm not saying he is not eligible - I'm saying as an American citizen do I not have the right to ask these questions and expect an answer or at least some sort of explaination from my President? I am willing to keep an open mind - but when I get called names or lumped into a group of tin-foiled hat wearing people, I stop reading. People who believe he is totally legit and legal certainly have that right and I would never call them names or think they were stupid for having a belief and standing up for it - I just would like the same consideration.
The only other type of citizenship is naturalized citizen which is what I think you are trying to distinguish.
A nice sentiment, Sally, but I have to wonder why it's here. I was responding to germak, and I didn't do any name-calling, except to point out that his name-calling reflected more on himself. If you're saying that I was wrong about something, please do so clearly and we can take it from there. Thanks.
There is a difference between conferred citizenship and being a natural born citizen. Just because Obama's father was supposedly a subject of the British Crown does not make it so for Obama as he was born on American soil. In this country, Jews are conferred Israeli citizenship, it did not disqualify Lieberman to my knowledge - nor should it.
From what I have seen on this, it derives from a discrepancy between a statement by Obama's sister and Obama. Since Obama would have to rely on someone else (I doubt if he remembers being born in any hospital) as well as his sister - who was born more than a decade later in another country, I am not sure how the discrepancy matters much if at all to the debate.
Snopes calls that a hoax. Odinga's relationship to Obama is dubious. Obama only met Odinga once and spoke with him on the phone for five minutes. It is an utter joke to claim Obama would lose his US citizenship because of that. There is nothing that indicates Obama believes in Sharia Law - and even if he did, it is a moot point. There is no religious qualification for the presidency as you seem to suggest.
I don't care if Harold Koh believes in the Easter Bunny AND Santa Claus. Your argument is based on a faulty premise, which I demonstrated above. You are vastly overstating the relationship between Obama and Odinga.
Again. You corrected yourself on this already. Obama's FATHER's citizenship was supposedly governed by the British Nationality Act. And AGAIN...conferred citizenship is not the same thing as natural born citizenship. Are you saying that people born in the jurisdiction of the American government are not accountable or subject to US and/or Hawaiian law? If Obama's father had killed a Hawaiian, would you be rallying in the streets to have him extradited to London for justice?
You have the right to ask any question you want. I have not called you any names and I would like to see how you respond to my posts. I hope you are truly open-minded about this.
That's treason, you know. And during wartime.
The requirement for both parents to be natural born citizens only matters if the child is born outside the United States.
Pay attention in school next time or maybe try to do some research instead of listening to these Birthers who are passing along a lot of bad information... just like you tried to do just now.
That's funny -- 'cause at first, it was . . .
The birther wingnuts said "he wasn't born in HI" -- so, Obama produces a birth certificate that proves he was.
Then, they said "it's fake!" -- so, FactCheck.org proves it is.
NOW, it's "he didn't have two natural born citizen parents!" -- Funny, neither did Willard Mitt Romney -- but, I don't recall any questions surrounding his eligibility for the presidency . . .
1. to be president you have to be a born citizen and even you are born abroad, your parents have to be natural citizens. *you can claim naturalized citizenship in order to being president if you have lived in the US for atleast fourteen years.*
There was a loophole for this and it was that you neednt be a citizen of the US if you became one when the constitution was adopted, but since that was so long ago that is really no long in effect lol.
2. you need to be at least the age of 35.
these are the two most important stipulations of becoming president to the find the others i am sure you can google it and whatnot. as long as Obama has fulfilled the requirements then he has, by all means, every right to being the president. If he has not then let me be the first to say that he needs to be impeached. because if not then what message, i beg you to consider, does that send to other countries that might mean to do us harm?
*the reason for this star is that the site i got this from(http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/thepresidentandcabinet/a/presrequire.htm) said that the constitution vaguely talks about that part of the requirements so there is not a definate between being a citizen those 14yrs consecutively or not. thats kinda scarey isnt it? in other words you could live here for short number of yrs throughout the 14 that you claim as time spent as a citizen of this country and it might take you 30yrs to complete that and instill the ideals of other countries into your agenda in works of throwing out our own ideals. me personally i think that should be changed because why is there a reason to have that? to me that looks like a weak point in our own security.
He proved it you just don't want to believe it. He won the election and he is the 1st Afro-American President of the USA, and I'am proud of him and the USA!
Obama minions have posted a jpeg which looks like a short form hawaii certification of live birth.
this is not a long form vault certificate and will not enable you to get a driver's license or join the military or anything else for that matter. And it certainly is not acceptable in a court of law.
Let's see the long form certificate. It does exist but Obama has hired Perkins Coie to prevent any release of any records...anywhere.
Why?
After your diatribe of name calling (which is against any rule of debate) I find NO facts to support any of your statements. Obama will be considered legitimate when he reveals all the documents (which he has sealed and gone to great expense to contine to seal) including his Certificate of Live Birth. A "Certification of Live Birth" (limited information) is not the same as a long form Certificate of Live birth which shows among other information the signature of the doctor. Hawaii says they have his original but does not tell us who the doctor was and if this was a certificate generated as a result of notification from the hospital or was it one based on just a family member coming in and stating this birth has taken place and a certificate being issued (this possibility was a law in 1961). Have you ever been required to produce your Birth Certificate? Did you? Why do you require any less of Obama? Maybe you should scan an image of your Birth Certificate into a laptop computer and take it and try to get a Driver's License, or Passport, or some other official document. When they quit laughing at you, come back and let us know what they said. By your statement that there is "NOTHING to this Obama birth certificate nonsense- NOTHING" I suppose you have seen his Birth Certificate? Is that the facts that you base your statement on? If not, please produce your FACTS. I really hope you do refer to the proven bogus certificate posted on line, but before you do maybe you better look at the reports by noted Forensic Document Analysis and their conclusions.
Concerning Bush, again, please produce some facts. Any number of recounts, by media and others all came to the same conclusion: Bush won! As I recall, there was quite a bit of "airtime" given to that for a number of years.
Other posters make comments like "obsessing over pettiness," I would just like to remind them that the Constitution is not a petty document.
To "political_left-religious_right " The link you asked for concerning Obama's statement and "such an 'admission'" is his book "Dreams of My Father." Get it and read it or at least Google that quote and you will find an exerpt.
And the Arab statement by "sheep21small" was a bit over the top but you do have to admit that Obama is as much white as he is black - white mother, black father. The color of his skin has nothing to do with this whole matter and it should be left out of the equation. So, let's quit all the name calling and degrading one another and look at the facts. I have read both sides and made up my own mind. Everyone should do the same, then if you want, discuss it without all the insults.
Again, I hope to read some facts concerning Obama's citizenship, and if it is just an opinion that is OK too, but be honest about it (and civil).
paka
TRANSLATION: I'm going to keep asking the same questions over and over again, despite the fact they've already been answered, because, as is typical for birther wingnuts such as myself, I'm going to keep disregarding the answer until I get one I agree with . . .