Matthews grills birther bill co-sponsor: "Do you believe that Barack Obama is a legitimate, native-born American or not?"
July 21, 2009 6:32 pm ET
From the July 21 edition of MSNBC's Hardball with Chris Matthews:
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Were this guy and Boehner separated at birth, or is there also a C Street Tanning Salon for the powerful?
If not Boehner, I'm thinking Brian Williams:
"Al Qaeda!"
And his mention of the others who have run for president that would have made this an issue is total BS. If McCain had been elected, and people raised the issue of his natural born status or whatever, the GOP and the conservatives would have raised holy hell.
I think the eligibility requirement should be changed to require, say, 35 years of residency and citizenship.
And the Republican is scrambling like a quarterback out of the pocket.
Sacked!
He's a dance, dance, dance, dance, dancing machine
Watch 'im get down, watch 'im get down
As he do, do, do his thing
Right on the screen
Yes, of course you want to pass a redundant law requiring presidential candidates to prove they're eligible in order to stop all this nonsense asking for redundant proof of eligibility.
The GOP is drowning quickly enough under their own failures, now they want to latch onto a big lead weight like the birfers to keep afloat?
I would really like to know who the person filing for POTUS shows the document to. If it isn't clear, maybe we are right to have a law, or at least a procedure, making it clear so we don't have to go through the BS.
Can somebody give me the straight poop? Thanks.
Can you post the results of some of your research here, especially the requirements of the FEC that you've looked into??. That's interesting that they only ask how much money a candidate has collected. One would think that some government agency would check the citizenship of candidates.
Any relevant info from your research that you could post here would be very helpful. If you have any information indicating that Obama has never provided a birth certificate to the proper authorities throughout the process of campaigning, being nominated, or being elected president, that would be pretty damning to him.
Thanks in advance.
For example, to get my most recent job, I had to go back 15 years and list every place I've lived, every living relative, every person I've lived with, and so on and so forth.
I'm pretty sure they do a pretty good background check on the Prez.
When I added intel background checks to my searching, I was just as frustrated. It isn't a clear path of information and the checks may or may not be done by either CIA or FBI.
And anyway, a background check by the "spooks" is not a good enough answer. Whatever they turn up is probably classified. The FEC really needs to get the documents because they would then be public record and certified by the Feds and the FEC could answer all the subsequent questions. It probably wouldn't stop the "birthers," but could put them back on the fringe where they belong.
HR 1503 is the legislative mechanism to close the book on this stupid 220 year oversight on eligibility. I know the timing of the bill is suspect and some of the sponsors are very inarticulate on TV, but I find it hard to believe we as a nation wouldn't want to correct an oversight that has always had the potential to cause the shenanigans we are now experiencing.
I sent an email to Rachel Maddow asking her to cover this part of the story. I'll be happy to send it to anyone else who might want to get at this completely absent part of the story.
I'm not sure I follow you here, Borealis. What is the "oversight"? The fact that background checks done on elected officials aren't made completely public? That sounds pretty sensible to me.
The background checks comments were in reference to magnolialover. The checks won't get us where I would like us to be. I'm not suggesting background checks be made public. I'm suggesting that HR 1503 would give FEC the responsibility for citizenship documents of candidates and that information would be public record.
I have hope that the public nature of this process would quiet some of the shenanigans in the future.
Dang, between the C street party house, the hip hop that Michael Steele keeps going on about AND all of this dancing, I wanna be a gop slopper too.
Must be the new strategy to attract some new blood under 80 ;-)
The future of the GOP.
Just cause I like you Colonel
And I'm sweet on Miz Julia :-)
Hey man I can't blame ya, she is a very special lady :-)
When I say "Con" it's short for Conservative. So cool down :-)
But now that the Yanks are in first place...I'm back !!!
What about Obama's financial aid as a foreign student. Do we just forget about that too? Show the real birth certificate with a Official State Seal, I have yet to see one with that on it. Just like the US government knowing about the attack on Pearl Harbor a week and a half before it happened and the knowledge of that coming out fifty years later. The attack on the USS Liberty in June of 1967 by the Isreal was finally released thirty years after the event when the Sailors onboard were no longer threaten with death if they told what happened. Of course by the US government. Patriots are letting the Americans know what is really happening without such a long wait. Let's see how long it takes the truth to be recognized by the American citizens about Obama.
That's good that you're proud of where you were born. Hopefully someday you'll have something that's within your control to be proud of. Like not being totally batshlt crazy.
The certificate of live birth, as everyone keeps on telling you, has been certified by Hawaii as being real, and they have also confirmed the real birth certificate which is kept on file, and never released. When you go in to get a "birth certificate" as far as I know, you never get a copy of the real one, you get a certificate of live birth, which is what I have in my personal documents folder at home, as do probably everyone else here who has a copy of his/her birth certificate. If you got a copy of the official birth certificate, the raised seal that is on there wouldn't be there, because, it would be a copy. They're not going to release the real one, because, that's not what is done. It's called keeping your records straight.
About the Obama financial aid, as normal, you're wrong about that as well. Snopes does a nice job of dismantling the stoopid in their article noted below.
Snopes and financial aid
There is no evidence to suggest that FDR knew about the attack on Pearl Harbor a week before it happened. That's just another loony conspiracy theory.
The USS Liberty attack was not covered up either. The men on board the ship were allowed to talk to whoever they wanted to talk about it with. It was a friedly fire incident, unfortunate and tragic, but not unheard of.
Am I to believe that folks like yourself are so patriotic that you're trying to bring down the President of the United States with false claims about his citizenship, and where he was born? That's being patriotic alright. Nice work!
I wish that the truth would be recognized, so kooks like yourself could just go away and stop bothering the adults in the room.
I would add to PA that "Barry" was a nickname that Obama went under during his youth. It was never his official name, and appears that way on no official documents. PA could never produce the one he says exists.
As an aside, it seems to me that everyone with "Proud" in his moniker is a Hannity model--extreme right-wing, impossible to reason with, and thinks he has about ninety IQ points more than he really has. Why is that?
I guess it's an insecurity / compensation thing. I also notice that some of the brightest and strongest posters have nicks that are goofy, funny or self-deprecating.
Hey, it's Prod AmeriKKKan! I missed you over at newshounds {not really.}
What happened, got tired of getting smacked down over there? Now that their comments are moderated, it just ain't as easy to spread scat -- and I know you just HATE that.
Anyway, please provide a LINK that shows a birth certificate with the name "Barry" -- as has been pointed out, that was never his legal name.
Next, explain to us why Obama would need financial aid as a "foreign student", when, at the time he entered Occidental College, he had been back living in the US for eight years . . .
If our media were actually our media... this kind of garbage would not be allowed to be mentioned except as a side note to letting us know that the fringe among us are just one more step closer to the white padded room!
Of course we want it to be mentioned in the news! Congress shouldn't be wasting everyone's time and effort by making stupid laws like this, simply to appease a ridiculous constituency who has no grasp on reality. This is exactly the kind of situation for which the Fourth Estate is supposed to exist!
"If you wanna go back, people thought that Barry Goldwater was not qualified, because he was born in the Arizona Territory,
"And that Mitt Romney's father, George Romney, was not eligible to be president, because he was born in Mexico . . ."
The guy would have a point -- IF Obama were born in a US overseas military zone like the CZ [McCain], a territory [Goldwater], or a foreign nation [Romney Sr.]
Thing is, he wasn't -- he was born in HAWAII, A U.S. STATE.
AND THEREIN LIES THE DIFFERENCE, YOU IGNORANT A$$!
Barry Goldwater would have eligible, because in the Constitution there is a grandfather clause in there for folks born in territories, or colonies before we became the United States of America. As in, there were plenty of US Presidents at the start of our run as a country who were technically NOT BORN in the US, since we weren't even a country.
Mitt Romney's father also would have been OK, because his parents were both American citizens.
And Obama was born in Hawaii.
The whole "debate" (another one of those debates that isn't really a debate, because the facts are clear) is silly, and Rep. Campbell should be ashamed of himself and laughed out of Congress.
1- Nice try but Constitution requires President ot be NATURAL Born Citizen NOT Native Born Citizen.
2- That printout that he has is NOT a Birth Certicate, it is a copy of a JPG of that is ONLINE that is NOT valid as a Birth Certificate because there is NO SIGNATURE of the Records Official and no EMBOSSED STAMP. Not only that it is a Certification of Live Birth which was given to FOREIGN born children as well.
3- Mathews the Pundit has alot to learn from Lou Dobbs who happens to be a journalist and is ethically tryin gto get to the bottom of an issued that is being raised by many americans. he is following the story and trying to find the truth. Mathews is Helping to hide the truth as an accomplice for the Obama Bedmate Media.
Obama was born in Hawaii. A State of the United States of America. He is therefore a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.
Get over it, you guys lost.
"...NOOOO SIIIIIGNATUUUURE! of the Records Official and no EMBOOOOOOSSED STAAAAAAAAAAAMP!!!!!"
Makes me giggle. Use bold.
But really, ObaManure, head on over to FactCheck, one of the many sites who verified his BC.
Lou Dobbs... ethical. Haha, that's a good one.
And please, please, please explain to me what the difference is, in your mind, between native and natural born. Because in the eyes of the Constitution, they are the same. As others have stated, there is only natural born and naturalized. Obama is clearly the former. Every shred of evidence points to that conclusion. He is the president, duly elected by a majority of the people, thru their electors.
Chris holds folks accountable & lets them fall on their face.
But lets not beat around the bush, if McCain had won no body would be claiming he isn't a citizen like the congressman said. AS disgusting as it is, racism is alive and well in the united states and people think that because he is black must mean he wasn't born in the United States, and it is repulsive.
You're letting paranoid, partisan whack-jobs cause you worry where there's no reason to be worried.
Now as far as who would hire someone as stupid and useless as this clown is a whole 'nother issue...
At least he's got a shred of intelligence, however, not agreeing with the "Birthers" and all. That's more than I can say for many republican politicians.