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Carville criticizes Liz Cheney's defense of birthers:  "She refuses to say this is ludicrous"

July 22, 2009 9:02 am ET

From the July 21 edition of CNN's Larry King Live:

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Hat-tip to Salon.com's Joan Walsh.

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    • Author by IRONY 101 (July 22, 2009 9:07 am ET)
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      Liz Cheney doesn't have a birth certificate. She was cloned from her evil dad. Without the long hair she would be Dick Cheney's Mini Me.
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      • Author by IRONY 101 (July 22, 2009 9:13 am ET)
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        BTW, Liz, the actual reason your racist, nut case crowd is "fundamentally uncomfortable" with Obama is because he is black. What Carville says is true...you cannot denounce the nuts because they are your base and can't afford to alienate them.
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        • Author by open_mind (July 22, 2009 12:32 pm ET)
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          I actually thought for a split second that Cheney was going to actually admit the real reason (because Obama is black) it seems Republicans do not accept Obama. Then she dashed my hopes out the window when she reverted back to the idiotic code speak we often hear.
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        • Author by robyn20094113 (July 22, 2009 5:16 pm ET)
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          She makes my skin crawl and bile rise in my throat, just like her sneaky, beady eyed, smug, smirking father does. One would think she would worship President Obama, for not pushing to prosecute her lying, warmongering father, for the many crimes he has committed.
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      • Author by blk-in-alabam (July 22, 2009 9:15 am ET)
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        She' really not Dick Cheney's she was adopted after they locked up her real daddy Hannibal Lecter
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        • Author by christopher howard (July 22, 2009 9:19 am ET)
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          Oh, she's really Dick's daughter. Look at the picture above; she even has his crooked smirk.
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          • Author by nerzog (July 22, 2009 10:00 am ET)
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            I bet she practices that in front of a mirror. It is, after all, Dick's most endearing feature.
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          • Author by Pinhead (July 22, 2009 12:23 pm ET)
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            Worse: she even has plans to run for office. It's like a sequel to a horror movie where it's the offspring's turn to drink the blood of the living (of course, that smirk is what you'd see at the end of the first movie to indicate that it's only the beginning).
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        • Author by IRONY 101 (July 22, 2009 9:20 am ET)
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          Uhhhh, perhaps Dick Cheney is actually Nammibal Lecter. Have you ever seen a photograph of the two together?
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          • Author by christopher howard (July 22, 2009 9:31 am ET)
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            Say what you want about Lecter, but he at least believed in civility. Dick "eff-you" Cheney lacks that impulse, no matter how many people he's eaten.
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            • Author by wookie (July 22, 2009 11:15 am ET)
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              Besides, fava beans and Chianti are for effete limosine liberals...
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            • Author by thejbomb65 (July 22, 2009 12:24 pm ET)
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              lector had class, and only killed the rude and incompetent. hmmm....sounds like dick should be on the menu
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              • Author by juliajayne1 (July 22, 2009 2:39 pm ET)
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                Maybe that's why he wants 6 more months of Secret Service protection. ;-)
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          • Author by open_mind (July 22, 2009 12:34 pm ET)
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            I think any comparison between Cheney and Lechter is disgusting. Lechter had charm.
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    • Author by rwmacdonald2091 (July 22, 2009 9:09 am ET)
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      Typical right wing crackpot stuff, they won't even call out one of their own, even when it's obvious to everyone, they are crackpots.
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      • Author by overmars jr. (July 22, 2009 9:12 am ET)
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        Rule #1 for right wingers: admit nothing. Ever.
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        • Author by Leftym0m79 (July 22, 2009 11:10 am ET)
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          Rule #2: It must be true because (insert right-wing talking head here) said it.
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          • Author by John Paradox (July 22, 2009 12:31 pm ET)
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            Rules 1 through 20 @ http://members.cox.net/ditto-busters/derules.html

            Also: "James, don't interrupt me"

            Then, within five seconds, she interrupts him.

            Rule 21: speak over your opponent so he/she cannot make their point.
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    • Author by mk3872 (July 22, 2009 9:14 am ET)
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      Just ask these loons how many U.S. presidents submit an original copy of their birth certificate before running for prez.

      The only reason BO is being singled out is because he is black.
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      • Author by ShrinkGov (July 22, 2009 9:25 am ET)
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        Oh yes, everybody is a racist. Typical mud slinging from the left.

        This must be getting some traction if they're calling out Carville to defend the president.

        What's ludicrous is obama not releasing the long form certificate and spending tons of moeny to keep it from being released.

        Release it and the conspiracies go away. Release it and then I'll call the birtheres ludicrous. They released that baloney birth cerificate, why not the real deal?
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        • Author by mk3872 (July 22, 2009 10:45 am ET)
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          Riiiight ... Calling a guy who is black, whose father is from Kenya not an America citizen is NOT mudslinging, I suppose? LOL!

          BTW, loon, the state of HI already posted his birth certificate online, released the newspaper clipping of the birth announcement and certified his birth there.

          Now if only he could change his race to caucasian, mayeb you & your fellow loons would be satisifed?
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          • Author by ShrinkGov (July 22, 2009 12:25 pm ET)
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            Loon here. They did not post a copy with the hospital and doctors signature. Again, release the copy of the long form certificate and I'll join you guys calling the "birthers" names. Not racist of course, but other appropriate names.

            I have no problem with his color. It's his policies I have a problem with. Hey, I didn't like the first bailouts with Bush. Tarp is a scam. Didn't like Bush's medicare part d. With obama the country is taking a sharp turn left. If you didn't like the power the executive branch had with the last administration you have to hate all the power this guy is grabbing. Freedon and liberty started slipping away with the last adminisrtaion and now it has excellerated to warp speed. obama is yelling "more power Scotty" and Scotty returns, "can't do it barry, the countries gonna break apart!"

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            • Author by Scotty Johnson Sr. (July 22, 2009 12:40 pm ET)
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              They did not post a copy with the hospital and doctors signature
              So what? It doesn't matter.
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            • Author by blueline99 (July 22, 2009 12:43 pm ET)
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              Why is the "long form" relevant...it's not the required document by the federal government... the one that President Obama released is the legal Birth Certificate! I don't have my Long Form Birth Certificate but I still got a Passport.. hmmm how is that possible?
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            • Author by Ruby (July 22, 2009 1:54 pm ET)
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              Why on Earth should the President of the United States of America be FORCED to cater to the whims of some fringy conspiracy theorists and release his long form birth certificate, when the copy that has been released is completely legal and meets every standard for proving citizenship? Not to mention the birth announcements in the newspaper and the verification by Hawaii officials, including the Republican Governor who supported John McCain in the election.

              These claims that Obama is not a natural born citizen rely on the existence of an incredibly vast conspiracy, involving Obama's parents, state officials, the news media, the secret service, think tanks, and a whole host of others who have connived since Obama's birth to build a false record so that he could eventually run for president 47 years later.
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        • Author by Handsome Pete (July 22, 2009 10:47 am ET)
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          The conspiracies will not go away, because the birthers will claim he took so long to release because they were forging it. And what exactly is baloney about the birth certificate that was verified by the state of Hawaii? And yes, many of them probably are racist, but that's only one reason for their irrational mistrust and belief in conspiracy theories. Mostly they're just sore losers.
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          • Author by Pinhead (July 22, 2009 12:16 pm ET)
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            No it won't go away. Anyone who doesn't agree with them is either "naive" or "in on it". It's similar to paranoid schizophrenia.
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        • Author by nerzog (July 22, 2009 10:54 am ET)
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          Propaganda often "gets traction"... it's designed to do precisely that. It does not make it true, however.
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        • Author by shaggles (July 22, 2009 11:00 am ET)
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          "What's ludicrous is obama not releasing the long form certificate and spending tons of moeny to keep it from being released."

          Do you have evidence of this?
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          • Author by blk-in-alabam (July 22, 2009 11:36 am ET)
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            What is even more ludicrous and real is the tons of money world nut daily,conservative(republican) talk radio,and fox are making off this.Even more so the people who send them their money
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        • Author by vysotsky (July 22, 2009 11:04 am ET)
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          "What's ludicrous is obama not releasing the long form certificate and spending tons of moeny to keep it from being released. Release it and the conspiracies go away. Release it and then I'll call the birtheres ludicrous."

          No. This kind of conspiracy theory counterintuitively feeds on documentary evidence to the contrary.

          Let's be clear about this. "Birthers" now believe it is more likely that Barack Obama has the resources and influence to erase all official traces of his foreign birth than it is likely that his status as an American citizen is authentic. Why would a long form birth certificate be any more convincing? If he has the ability to rewrite his past so completely, why couldn't he just fake a long form birth certificate? Perhaps the reason for this long delay in releasing the document is simply because it requires him time to produce an undetectable forgery with fake supporting evidence, right?
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        • Author by historygeek001 (July 22, 2009 12:21 pm ET)
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          ShrinkGov:

          You, like all the other birthers, are either delusional or dishonest. Obama has provided his birth certificate and all claims to the contrary are ridiculous. If you don't like Obama, fine. Don't like him. Disagree with his policies, dislike him because he's black -- which is disgusting and racist -- but at least be honest about why you don't like him. Sticking to this birther nonsense reveals your own lack of honesty and integrity; it says nothing about Obama himself.
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        • Author by thejbomb65 (July 22, 2009 12:25 pm ET)
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          answer me this question.....why is it that ONLY president obama has EVER been asked to provide any documentation regarding his birth?

          if you can answer me that question i will think twice before i believe you to be entirely racist
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        • Author by Scotty Johnson Sr. (July 22, 2009 12:39 pm ET)
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          Oh yes, everybody is a racist
          No. Just you and the others who believe in the birther nonsense.
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      • Author by jeter2 (July 22, 2009 10:11 am ET)
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        The only reason BO is being singled out is because he is black.

        Gotta agree 100 %

        Bottom lie:

        If Obama were White, & his birth certificate said he was born in Hawaii, & his Father had been born in any European nation...the Birthers wouldn't even exist.

        Shame on the media for continuing to give this drivel life.
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        • Author by magnolialover (July 22, 2009 11:01 am ET)
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          Good points, all of them Jeter.

          On another note, I see the Yanks have gone up 1 game again my Sox. I hate it when that happens.
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    • Author by dmhack (July 22, 2009 9:16 am ET)
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      Liz Cheney can't call the birthers ludicrous because these ranting racists are the new Republican base.
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    • Author by felix2174 (July 22, 2009 9:23 am ET)
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      All the GOP seems to have left is the nut wing of the party, so they'll have to play to them if they want a couple of votes in 2010.
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    • Author by worrierking (July 22, 2009 9:23 am ET)
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      Stick to your guns Liz.

      Don't let the whacko left force you to distance yourself from those who believe in the government's plot to pump us full of dead baby juice and monkey kidneys.

      I just pray that we eventually round up everyone who doesn't have the official US Gubmint birf certificate and deport their sorry asses.
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      • Author by IRONY 101 (July 22, 2009 9:29 am ET)
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        Hold it...! People need to show their ORIGINAL birth certificate...not some official certificate re-issued by the state with a seal and all that. No original, no citizenship. Send'em all back to Russia...or Kenya!
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        • Author by worrierking (July 22, 2009 9:44 am ET)
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          A seal?

          Now I know you're part of the looney left. I'm not aware of any state that gives away marine mammals with their official birth certificates.
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          • Author by IRONY 101 (July 22, 2009 9:55 am ET)
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            How about a marmot instead?
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          • Author by snoopy (July 22, 2009 9:57 am ET)
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            You haven't been to alaska then. Sarah says they taste like chicken...
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            • Author by IRONY 101 (July 22, 2009 10:02 am ET)
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              Sarah thinks the fun part is clubbing their babies to death...it's a family activity that the kids love. ;>)
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              • Author by jeter2 (July 22, 2009 10:13 am ET)
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                In Massachusetts we kill mosquitoes for sport ;-)
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                • Author by juliajayne1 (July 22, 2009 12:07 pm ET)
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                  Mosquitoes eh, we used to call them punkies where I grew up. And that is a very benign sport, my dear. But what else would I expect from Moonbat Central. ;-)

                  I have to say your citizenry is very well behaved as witnessed by one JJ on July 4th. Very nice, well behaved crowd on the banks of the Charles River.
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                • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (July 22, 2009 1:35 pm ET)
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                  That's because in Massachusetts, the mosquitoes shoot back!
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        • Author by bintx (July 22, 2009 10:12 am ET)
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          Actually, NO ONE has their "original" birth certificate. That is held by the state. What you get is a certified copy. That's what has been produced by Mr. Obama.
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          • Author by robyn20094113 (July 22, 2009 5:10 pm ET)
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            Amen! My birth certificate, does not list the hospital nor does it have the Doctors signature, but then, I was born on a reservation, so I am sure Right Wingers would not consider me a real citizen either.
            My birth certificate, as well as my children's, lists state and county but not hospital. Are they talking about that little certificate, that the hospital gives you, withe the baby's footprint on it? Those are worthless, even with the doctors signature. You can not use them in place of a certified birth certificate. I have tried. Besides one would not have one if born at home.
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        • Author by John Paradox (July 22, 2009 1:52 pm ET)
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          Of course, the birth certificate does not have a raised seal

          [http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_1.jpg]

          oops
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      • Author by jonesjax2374 (July 22, 2009 11:15 am ET)
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        That would include my governor, Ahnode. I believe while weightlifting he did use dead baby juice and monkey kidney smoothies.
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    • Author by congero6189599 (July 22, 2009 9:26 am ET)
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      See how she tries to play the victim,"please don't interrupt me" she says to Carville then she proceeds to interrupt him and "bogard" the conservation,all the while trying to act like she has something and the birthers have something credible to say. Slick tactics and convincing to those without a brain.
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      • Author by MickD (July 22, 2009 9:35 am ET)
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        She definitely went to Heritage Foundation and Rove Ranger school.
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      • Author by Victor Colorado (July 22, 2009 9:40 am ET)
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        That's basically what I was gonna post. Her 'discussion' tactics are nauseating. I listened again and she says (with wave of the hand) "Don't interrupt me!", certainly no "please", and then later, as you pointed out, interrupts Carville with completely unrelated nonsense that's not even on the topic they're discussing.
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      • Author by bintx (July 22, 2009 10:13 am ET)
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        She never lets anyone speak. She talks over them.
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    • Author by lewislaw7153 (July 22, 2009 11:08 am ET)
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      Interesting Ms. Cheney comments that Mr. Obama will not defend our country overseas and interesting to note that Larry King failed to ask her what the hell she was talking about . .

      Is Ms. Cheney aware that her own father refused to defend our country overseas, having received FIVE deferments from the military; none of which were for medical reasons!!

      When will this LIBERAL media debate facts?
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (July 22, 2009 1:37 pm ET)
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        Is Ms. Cheney aware that her own father refused to defend our country overseas, having received FIVE deferments from the military; none of which were for medical reasons!!
        One of those deferments was precisely because Lynne was pregnant with Liz!
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    • Author by terrapin53 (July 22, 2009 11:36 am ET)
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      Blame Sean Casey and Tom Maar of WCBM Baltimore for spreading this all over the MD and Delaware region. They continually practice scare tactics to their elderly listeners on everything, including citzenship, that Obama will lead us to communism.
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    • Author by mary59 (July 22, 2009 11:44 am ET)
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      How many birthers have all the documentation they want to require of President Obama?
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      • Author by juliajayne1 (July 22, 2009 12:08 pm ET)
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        Ha! very good and salient question, GF.
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      • Author by wookie (July 22, 2009 12:20 pm ET)
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        Its much like Kerry's medals. The wingnuts simply invent a reason not to trust the documents and then demand evidence that they will never accept.
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      • Author by nerzog (July 22, 2009 12:29 pm ET)
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        I'm out. All I have is a copy from the State where I live. I don't know if the original even exists. I'd say most people are in the same boat.
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        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (July 22, 2009 1:39 pm ET)
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          Then those people should ride that boat back to where they came from, and they'd better not try to run for President. The Birthers are ever-vigilant!

          Oh, wait, the Birthers will be on that boat, too...
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      • Author by nerzog (July 22, 2009 12:30 pm ET)
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        But then, you have to remember: all the Birthers are white; they don't need no stinkin' documentation.
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      • Author by blueline99 (July 22, 2009 12:58 pm ET)
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        I'm not white, I don't have my original birth certificate, but I did get a certified copy that was good enough to get my passport....am I suspect?

        These birthers are hilarious, I don't want them to go away... I want them tearing the GOP apart. The one crazy lady at the Mike Castle town hall listening meeting said some awesome things.

        I have a birth certificate here [holds up paper protected in Ziploc baggie and tiny American flag], from the United States of America saying I am an American citizen

        I have a birth certificate from the County of Orange in California... I didn't realize there was a nation Birth Certificate.

        He is not an American citizen! He is a citizen of Kenya! I am here with my father's [inaudible] fought in World War II, when the greatest generation in Pacific Theater! In the country! And I don't want this flag to change! I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK! [cheers and applause]

        Who is wants the flag changed? Is there some Flag Changing proposal that I'm unaware of.... this woman is GREAT!!! I bet she's related to that McCain supporter who kept saying that he's a Muslim. I want to expose and profile all these people... and for those who don't think this isn't a racist issue, take a look at the video on youtube and point out those that aren't white or you can find me an African-American birther.
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        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (July 22, 2009 1:41 pm ET)
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          I'm not white, I don't have my original birth certificate, but I did get a certified copy that was good enough to get my passport....am I suspect?
          Of course you are. But not for the birth certificate thing. It's because of your first three words.
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    • Author by Ribelin2000 (July 22, 2009 12:30 pm ET)
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      So what Liz Cheney is basically saying is that it's OK to spread lies and false rumors about the President if you don't agree with his policies. What a prostitute.

      And these people have the nerve to go after Michael Moore and Dan Rather. Go figure.
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    • Author by open_mind (July 22, 2009 12:42 pm ET)
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      I do not think Cheney should be held accountable for the comments of individual Republicans, but this has become a movement and Cheney should address the movement specifically and tell us how she feels about it. She seems to want it both ways. She does not want to alienate these morons by refuting the argument and she does not want to lose credibility (what little she has) by endorsing the birthers. I do not believe she should be allowed to get away with that positioning.
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