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CNN's Dobbs rants about "national liberal media" debunking birther theories: "they are not applying critical judgment"

July 22, 2009 12:34 pm ET

From the July 21 edition of United Stations Radio Networks' The Lou Dobbs Show:

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Previously:

Dobbs still on birther bandwagon, says "no one" knows "the reality" of Obama's birth certificate

CNN's Pilgrim refutes Dobbs on Dobbs over birth certificate

LA Times: FactCheck.org says "CNN should be ashamed" of Dobbs' birther remarks; CNN employee distances net from Dobbs

Days after Pilgrim answered them, Dobbs claims Obama birth certificate "questions won't go away"

Dobbs repeatedly makes Obama birth certificate claims his CNN colleagues call "total bull"

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    • Author by nerzog (July 22, 2009 12:35 pm ET)
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      WTF?

      I always thought this guy was certifiable... now I know it.
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    • Author by newzhound (July 22, 2009 12:40 pm ET)
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      It would be easy to laugh this off. However, it's not like America doesn't have any serious problems right now.

      Remember when the right wingnutz wanted the MSM to honor our heroes rather than give airtime to Michael Jackson?

      How much airtime is being burned up on this completely meaningless exercise?
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      • Author by Kiccoro (July 22, 2009 12:45 pm ET)
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        I say not enough, WE need to find out the TRUTH that has already been released by Hawaii, Obama's website, factcheck.org.
        Sadly, it does make a good distraction from the real problems like giving affordable health insurance to people or solving the economic problems that we are still facing from the recession. The more time this s**t is on the airwaves, less time to inform the public about real issues.
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    • Author by NiceguyEddie (July 22, 2009 12:41 pm ET)
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      This guy has so much projection, he could show movies.
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    • Author by shaggles (July 22, 2009 12:42 pm ET)
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      Let's see. The state of Hawaii verifies that the birth certificate provided by the President is valid yet Dobbs refuses to believe it. Seems like he has a funny idea of what constitutes critical thinking.
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    • Author by o rly (July 22, 2009 12:47 pm ET)
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      These people *don't care* about evidence. They want to hate Obama and think he's a foreigner, and that's that. Evidence doesn't matter.
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      • Author by marco21 (July 22, 2009 1:00 pm ET)
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        They'll never get used to this simple fact: Their boss is black.
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      • Author by historygeek001 (July 22, 2009 1:43 pm ET)
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        You nailed it. All the birther claims are beyond ridiculous; they're either openly lying or delusional. Anybody who grants their claims any legitimacy is part of the problem, not part of the solution. They hate Obama and aren't honest enough to give their real reasons; instead they justify themselves with flagrant lies.
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    • Author by magnolialover (July 22, 2009 12:51 pm ET)
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      Lou. National liberal media? First of all, there is no SUCH THING.

      Second, it's not liberals saying these theories are crazy, it's just sane rational people. So if you don't want to lump yourself in there with sane people, that's fine by me. We don't need your crazy over here.

      The man was born in frickin' HAWAII! A US STATE!

      Get. It. Through. Your. Thick. Skull, and then STFU about this!
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    • Author by proudconservative (July 22, 2009 12:52 pm ET)
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      Move on Dobbs, this issue will not do anything for our interest in keeping Obama and his administration from turning this country even further left.

      Besides, other nut jobs have tried to take this tact before and it really backfired on them.
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      • Author by magnolialover (July 22, 2009 12:56 pm ET)
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        Even further left?

        Isn't it you guys who keep claiming that the country is still conservative?

        And you're trying to compare Dan Rather doing a story about how Bush was AWOL (which he got fired for by the way) with people claiming our President isn't a citizen of this country?

        They're not even remotely the same.

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      • Author by nerzog (July 22, 2009 12:56 pm ET)
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        What a coincidence. Your post came up just as I was typing mine. The difference is that, as the headline says, DAN RATHER WAS RIGHT, and look what he got for his trouble.

        Do you think Lou Dobbs will be fired for this, as Rather was?

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        • Author by magnolialover (July 22, 2009 12:58 pm ET)
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          Will Beck get fired for this? Cheney? Limbaugh? Dobbs? Hannity? And so on and so forth?

          I think not.
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          • Author by Victor Colorado (July 22, 2009 1:02 pm ET)
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            I'm gonna place a $1 bet that Dobbs gets fired by CNN over this. I give him 30 days. I'm feeling lucky.
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            • Author by magnolialover (July 22, 2009 1:02 pm ET)
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              That's a might hearty bet there VC.
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              • Author by Victor Colorado (July 22, 2009 1:04 pm ET)
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                Ok, make it $1 trillion.
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                • Author by Kiccoro (July 22, 2009 1:05 pm ET)
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                  I hope you win your bet.
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                  • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (July 22, 2009 1:53 pm ET)
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                    Even if he loses, he is now officially too big to fail. Being $1 trillion in debt makes you a mover and a shaker in this country.
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            • Author by mikehuck1976 (July 22, 2009 1:33 pm ET)
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              He won't get fired. He never got fired for the leprosy from illegal aliens craziness he was pushing for months.
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      • Author by RABBITLUVR (July 22, 2009 1:56 pm ET)
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        LOL! What's this I see... PC basically calling it quits? Awww... the birfers are conceding!

        Yeah, you're damn right - the 'issue' isn't working for ya, just like all the other dummy 'issues' you morons devised, such as Mustardgate.

        Yeah, move on already. How about to Antarctica? You all can then scream about how GW is a lie until the ice breaks from under your feet.
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    • Author by nerzog (July 22, 2009 12:53 pm ET)
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      It just occurred to me that maybe this is their idea of payback for the clamor over W's national guard records.

      The difference, of course, is that the National Guard story actually had some credibility, but was largely ignored by the MSM (with the notable exception of Dan Rather; and look what happened to him).
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      • Author by magnolialover (July 22, 2009 12:56 pm ET)
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        See above Proudconservative's post reference, yes, Dan Rather.
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      • Author by snoopy (July 22, 2009 1:28 pm ET)
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        Revenge is such a christian trait...
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      • Author by wookie (July 22, 2009 1:43 pm ET)
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        It also provides a useful diversion from the torture investigations and Cheney's death squad.
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    • Author by marco21 (July 22, 2009 12:53 pm ET)
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      The national liberal media? Wow, Lou. You admit this issue is nonsense but ride it like a streetcar named delusion. Also, please don't say you speak for Americans. I'm an American, not a crackpot birther like you, Dobbs.

      A-hole.
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      • Author by magnolialover (July 22, 2009 12:57 pm ET)
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        The thing is, these are the same types of folks who will yell and scream about the liberal media, and at the same time, hold up their ratings and book sales saying we do better than liberal outlets, never bothering to recognize the ironic part of that, and or totally negating their own arguments in one sentence.
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    • Author by Victor Colorado (July 22, 2009 12:58 pm ET)
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      Sure, Dobbs, the so-called liberal media forced Rep. John Campbell to admit the FACT that President Obama is a US citizen. What. Ever. Dude.
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    • Author by jinglejam (July 22, 2009 1:03 pm ET)
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      This white nativist misanthrope is the spitting image of a 1950s segregationist. Stuff him into a DeLorean and send him back where he belongs.
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      • Author by magnolialover (July 22, 2009 1:08 pm ET)
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        Make sure there is no way he can get back, smash the flux capacitor upon arrival in the 50's.
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        • Author by puppienrainbows (July 22, 2009 1:32 pm ET)
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          What if Dobbs were successful, back in the '50's where you send him, with those same segregational ideas. He could change history! Strom Thurmond might well become president for his 4th term and Obama will be riding the back of the bus on his way to the Sear's tower working night shift as a janitor. Be careful what you wish for! :)
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          • Author by magnolialover (July 22, 2009 1:58 pm ET)
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            True enough, maybe send him back to 1650, where more than likely he'll not live very long, and have no impact on, well, anyone.
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          • Author by Scotty Johnson Sr. (July 22, 2009 1:58 pm ET)
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            What if Dobbs were successful, back in the '50's where you send him, with those same segregational ideas. He could change history! Strom Thurmond might well become president for his 4th term and Obama will be riding the back of the bus on his way to the Sear's tower working night shift as a janitor.
            In that case, I'm sure you'd be happy as a clam.
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            • Author by puppienrainbows (July 22, 2009 2:27 pm ET)
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              You have no clue what you're talking about. You have the same M.O. as 'Harley'. Is that you, Harley? Why the disguise, complete with recent photo?
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              • Author by harley (July 22, 2009 2:31 pm ET)
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                Princess is still obsessed with me. Spooky.
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                • Author by puppienrainbows (July 22, 2009 3:12 pm ET)
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                  I was way off base on that one, huh, 'cuz there's no way the same person can have two screen names. What's spooky, cupcake, is that you have to rely on subterfuge to post. Man up, be who you really are. Don't hide from your true persona.
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                  • Author by Scotty Johnson Sr. (July 22, 2009 6:23 pm ET)
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                    Are you AnotherAmerican, ProudConservative, dave, fairliberal and others? Cons all sound the same.
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          • Author by RABBITLUVR (July 22, 2009 2:07 pm ET)
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            Concern troll much?
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            • Author by puppienrainbows (July 22, 2009 2:33 pm ET)
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              Are you concerned that I can see both sides of an issue at times? I'm not all bad.
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              • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (July 22, 2009 4:21 pm ET)
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                No, I'm concerned that you think issues only have two sides.
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    • Author by blueline99 (July 22, 2009 1:13 pm ET)
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      The statement "I believe that Barrack Obama is a Citizen of the United States" followed by "But I do have a few questions, don't you" is nonsensical regarding this issue.

      The only question is whether President Obama is a US Citizen and eligible to be President. It's like saying, "I believe you're a doctor but why don't you show me your diploma."

      Then he goes into the whole medical records thing... as far as I can recall he did show his medical records... the problem was that there wasn't much there because he's healthy... it was just a stark contrast compared to the volumes of medical records that John McCain produced.

      Did President Bush address the FEMA Concentration camps? Area 51? Fake moon landing?
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      • Author by nerzog (July 22, 2009 1:17 pm ET)
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        And don't forget the codes on highway signs to direct the U.N. troops...
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        • Author by magnolialover (July 22, 2009 1:24 pm ET)
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          Don't forget also the North American Union (they even had their own currency designed), or the "free" highway running from Mexico to Canada.
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        • Author by open_mind (July 22, 2009 1:45 pm ET)
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          Don't be silly Nerzog. The codes are on the back of the signs!

          ; )
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          • Author by magnolialover (July 22, 2009 3:10 pm ET)
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            No. They're being implanted in our minds courtesy of Obama's various speeches and broadcasts. This is why Fox won't play them. They're ON to him!
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          • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (July 22, 2009 4:24 pm ET)
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            The codes are on the back of the signs!


            "Did you steal the code and the plans?"
            "Sure! We stole the code and two pair of plans!"

            </Marx Brothers>
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    • Author by The_Cat (July 22, 2009 1:14 pm ET)
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      Hey Lou? My doctor's name isn't on my birth certificate, nor is the name of the hospital. And, it's a -copy-, not the original, because the state has that and will always have that. It also says Certificate of Live Birth.

      It's not the liberal media who are knocking this down. It's the state of Hawaii, by providing the very documentation you're talking about.

      About dismissing the wishes of the people, Lou, why aren't you hanging around Congress, yelling about a single payer option? It's clear that's what the people really wanted, and we're not getting it. That at least is a real issue.
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (July 22, 2009 4:25 pm ET)
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        There's another subtext here. The state of Hawaii certified Obama's birth certificate, but to Dobbs et. al., the general population of Hawaii isn't white, either. So to them, the certification is suspect, too.
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    • Author by dmhack (July 22, 2009 1:15 pm ET)
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      What the hell does Loony Lou want? Does he want to hold the birth certificate in his hands? Should the birth certificate tour the country and let every drooling birther touch it? What will that prove to Loony Lou and his fellow idiots? Nothing, of course. There is no way in the world to change their minds (and here I'm being generous in assuming that they do have minds). Talk about critical thinking... the freaking birth announcement is in the newspaper of the day. Think about that you loon. That's quite a trick all on its own. You want the long form why? To talk to the doctor? Chances are the doc is dead. Grill the nurses if they're still kicking? Hell, if they discovered anyone associated with the birth was dead they'd probably cry murder and not old age.
      On one level, this is all about distraction from the real issues. On another level this is about a soldier too cowardly to serve his country.




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      • Author by magnolialover (July 22, 2009 1:18 pm ET)
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        Factcheck.org has already done this (held the actual certificate in their hands), and reported back that it was indeed, real.

        I think that there would be no level of "proof" that Obama could provide that would satiate the birthers. No matter what was produced, they'd try to chase something else down, or bring up some other point (Hawaii faked it, the doctor fakes signing it, and so on).

        If given actual credence in the real world, this issue would grow to be a monster, and we'd end up spending millions of dollars on it to come the conclusion that sane people already know.

        Obama was born in Hawaii.
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    • Author by harley (July 22, 2009 1:42 pm ET)
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      John McCain DID NOT "turn over" his medical documents. He gave a limited number of journalists access to them in a closed room for 8 hours and the journalists were not allowed to make copies or photographs of such documents. F YOU, Dobbs, you lying scumbag.
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    • Author by blueline99 (July 22, 2009 1:58 pm ET)
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      But these Birthers are providing critical thinking?
      The one crazy lady at the Mike Castle town hall listening meeting said some awesome things.

      I have a birth certificate here [holds up paper protected in Ziploc baggie and tiny American flag], from the United States of America saying I am an American citizen

      I have a birth certificate from the County of Orange in California... I didn't realize there was a nationL Birth Certificate.

      He is not an American citizen! He is a citizen of Kenya! I am here with my father's [inaudible] fought in World War II, when the greatest generation in Pacific Theater! In the country! And I don't want this flag to change! I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK! [cheers and applause]

      Who wants the flag changed? Is there some Flag Changing proposal that I'm unaware of.... this woman is GREAT!!! I bet she's related to that McCain supporter who kept saying that he's a Muslim. I want to expose and profile all these people... and for those who don't think this isn't a racist issue, take a look at the video on youtube and point out those that aren't white or you can find me an African-American birther.
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      • Author by magnolialover (July 22, 2009 3:13 pm ET)
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        Well, the racist end of things may, or may not be true, but you have to look at it this way. How many republicans are black or other minority? Not too many, so chances are good, most, or ALL of the birthers are going to be white.

        This lady is talking all sorts of crazy. Nobody is changing the country. Nobody is changing the flag. Nobody took her country away from her. She still has all of the same rights and priveledges she did when Bush was President, and maybe more now.

        These people are whacked. No 2 ways about it.
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      • Author by open_mind (July 22, 2009 5:15 pm ET)
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        Whenever one of these birthers stands up to make a declarative statement like "[Obama] was born in Kenya", the natural "critical thinking" response should be "Prove it!" There is no credible positive evidence that Obama was born in Kenya. Zero. Zilch. Nada!

        It seems to me the birthers are basing their entire argument around the idea that there exists the tiniest amount of uncertainty regarding Obama's birth that inherently exists in nearly any proposition. There are very few things in the entire universe you can prove beyond all doubt and that seems to be the bar here.

        I wish this scurrilous tactic were only limited to Obama's birth certificate, but conservatives have used it to fight tobacco legislation, global warming science and many other health and safety regulations over the years.
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    • Author by LIBERTY OR DEATH (July 22, 2009 3:11 pm ET)
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      All he is saying show the original birth certificate and end the non sense. Not a copy of the original or certificate generated by
      the state.
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (July 22, 2009 4:27 pm ET)
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        And there is no need for him to do that, nor should he do that.

        Your brain fought valiantly for liberty, but death won again.
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      • Author by bintx (July 22, 2009 4:30 pm ET)
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        The "original birth certificate" is the property of the State of Hawaii. There is no reason for them to produce it and, in fact, it would be foolish. What was produced is what ANYBODY requesting their birth certificate would get from the State of Hawaii.
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      • Author by blueline99 (July 22, 2009 5:33 pm ET)
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        He has produced his birth certificate, just because you don't believe it to be valid doesn't make it so. This is all he is required to produce.

        I don't have my original birth certificate and I would have been upset if I couldn't get a Passport to take my vacation to the Bahamas... but you know what... the certified copy that I purchased from my County was good enough... but, I guess if I was running for President I'd be in the same boat President Obama is in now.
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      • Author by RABBITLUVR (July 22, 2009 5:51 pm ET)
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        Hey moron, it's already been done, you refuse to accept it cuz you are racist. Admit it. Admit that you cannot stand the fact that a black man is running the show now.
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