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Bennett on Gates' arrest on quickly dropped charges: "You often arrest to cool down the situation"

July 26, 2009 12:44 pm ET

From the July 26 edition of CNN's State of the Union:

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    • Author by ReasonAndResolve (July 26, 2009 12:56 pm ET)
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      Yeah, that makes sense, Bennett.

      here is another option: The cop says, "I'm sorry to have upset you, sir, have a nice day," and walks away. Hmmm, that might have worked.
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      • Author by bintx (July 27, 2009 7:50 am ET)
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        Exactly. That's what a good cop would have done. This cop got his ego stepped on by an old black man who lives in better circumstances than the cop. He had to do something to save his ego.
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      • Author by jpeagle21 (July 27, 2009 11:46 am ET)
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        Or, maybe Gates could have said: "Thanks for checking on my home and helping to keep our neighborhood safe. Here is my identification and if there is anything else I can do to help out, please let me know." Nah, instead when the officer asked him to step outside and speak to him, he chose to say: "I'll speak to your mamma outside!" (according to the police report). I guess he sat through Obama's "inappropriate use of words" class.
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        • Author by RABBITLUVR (July 27, 2009 12:02 pm ET)
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          So, in other words, the black man wasn't playing his role of being subservient correctly. Gotcha.
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        • Author by magnolialover (July 27, 2009 12:41 pm ET)
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          Except that nothing Gates did was illegal.

          You guys love the whole freedom of speech thing, as long as it protects right wing talk show hosts.
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        • Author by fairliberal (July 27, 2009 9:06 pm ET)
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          Exactly right, the whole situation could have been avoided if Gates had acted like the intelligent person he is reported to be. Instead he dusted off the chip on his shoulder and created a controversy that easily could have been avoided. I guess in Gates' mind it is unreasonable for the police to ask any questions at all in responding to buglary in progress 911 calls. Imagine Gates' outrage if there had been burglars present and the cops did not respond. Then they would have been incompetants instead of racists. Either way they loose.

          Obama was right about one thing however, cooler heads should have prevailed, and it should have started with Gates.
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          • Author by Brabantio (July 28, 2009 12:27 am ET)
               
            Yet again, conservatives pretend that there's no difference between a civilian and a cop. If a civilian were to smash the headlight of a police car, the officer could just grab a tire iron and do the same to the civilian's car. Right?

            It makes absolutely no difference at all whether Gates was over-reacting or not. Crowley made it clear that he believed Gates lived in the house. He never said anything about suspecting a burglar hiding in the house or a hostage situation (which would be absurd anyway, since Crowley saw Gates in his foyer, apparently on the phone). So once it's clear that there's no crime, he can and should leave, instead of sticking around to argue while calling in more cops. If you can't handle someone talking back to you in their own house, you shouldn't be in a position of authority.

            And of course, nobody has suggested that the police shouldn't have been there at all. Gates clearly took issue with the way he was approached, as he was asked to exit the house as if he was a suspect of something.
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            • Author by fairliberal (July 28, 2009 3:40 pm ET)
                 
              Your comparison of the headlight situation is simply not valid, and there is no evidence that Crowley heaped the same abuse on Gates that Gates had inflicted on Crowley.

              And I did hear Crowley state that one reason he asked Gates to come out of the house was because even though Gates probably was the owner there could have been people in the house unknown to him.

              The police were at his location to protect his property and perhaps his well being. Instead of being grateful for that , he choose to play the victim and accuse the cops of racism. He could have chosen to show his fellow black people that the cops are not their enemies and been co-operative. He did not. As a prominent black man of achievement he should be a better example to his people. Instead he demonstrated that he believes that confrontation is the way to deal with the police. That just perpetuates the problem.
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              • Author by Brabantio (July 28, 2009 8:53 pm ET)
                   
                Your comparison of the headlight situation is simply not valid, and there is no evidence that Crowley heaped the same abuse on Gates that Gates had inflicted on Crowley.

                It takes two people to argue. That's the point. Crowley could have just left if he felt so abused. None of you apologists have provided any argument as to what compelled him to stay on the premises after the identification was shown.
                And I did hear Crowley state that one reason he asked Gates to come out of the house was because even though Gates probably was the owner there could have been people in the house unknown to him.

                If it didn't take long between the call and the arrival, then it's not very likely that someone broke in and the owner then came home without noticing something wrong in the meantime. Wouldn't the first question be "We got a report of two people breaking into your house, do you know anything about that?" If the answer is "no", then ask him to come out so the premises can be secured.

                Again, it is utterly irrelevant how Gates behaved unless he threatened or hit Crowley. Police are supposed to be professionals who can handle this sort of situation. I haven't seen anyone tell me why that isn't true, either. I'm sure you'll be the first.
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                • Author by fairliberal (July 28, 2009 10:21 pm ET)
                     
                  Crowley did things by the book and Gates was confrontational right from the start and at first refused to identify himself and threatened the officer saying he didn't know who he was dealing with. There is not one witness that takes Gates side of this dispute. Apparently Gates has a history of bigotry in his family, which doesn't make him a bigot , but does show his upbringing. As more details are emerging it is apparent that the only racist in this incident was Gates. And Obama has demonstrated his racist side in supporting Gates without even knowing the facts, by his own admission. Can anyone show any action by Crowley that warranted Gates' behavior.

                  Read the police report...http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0723092gates1.html
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                  • Author by Brabantio (July 28, 2009 10:42 pm ET)
                       
                    Dodge, dodge, dodge. I've read the report. It doesn't matter if every single word is true, because it still doesn't justify an arrest.

                    Crowley could have left after getting identification. Nothing compels him to stay a moment longer.

                    There was no reason to call Harvard University Police.

                    Police are supposed to be able to handle situations, not get wrapped up in unnecessary arguments.

                    Gates was owed Crowley's badge number, one way or another, but Crowley made exiting the house a condition of further discussion. Gates request was lawful.

                    Even if Gates did continue arguing outside, the charges are still weak.

                    You can say "by the book" all day long, and that doesn't magically make it true. It would be more effective to make some attempt at refuting those points.
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    • Author by ReasonAndResolve (July 26, 2009 12:57 pm ET)
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      Oh, did I forget to add: you are an idiot, Bennett.
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    • Author by juliajayne (July 26, 2009 1:08 pm ET)
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      The right response in life, as in police work - do the LEAST eggregious thing that is effective. I highly doubt it was necessary to have Gates arrested, booked, finger printed and mug shots taken.

      Can you say overkill?!
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      • Author by fairliberal (July 28, 2009 2:57 pm ET)
           
        It is too bad that Gates did not live by that creed, the whole situation could have been avoided.
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        • Author by Brabantio (July 28, 2009 8:55 pm ET)
             
          Or, Crowley could have just left, instead of calling in Harvard University Police. Why did he call in more cops, by the way?
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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (July 26, 2009 1:12 pm ET)
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      Bennet and Limbaugh on the same diet ?
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    • Author by TheKidFromKountyMeath (July 26, 2009 1:15 pm ET)
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      Why is Bennett pronouncing "People who think a gun and a badge make them an inerrant god" as "you"? That's a pretty major error in pronunciation. Maybe the host should correct him or something.
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    • Author by pags2 (July 26, 2009 1:26 pm ET)
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      The cop wanted to show who was in charge when he should have said, Sorry, I have to do my job. Thank you and good-bye." I am not sure about Massachusetts law, but in Illinois, disorderly conduct has to be in public. The cop could not have charged Gates since it was in his house. This demonstrates that "disorderly conduct" as a criminal charge is too broad and ambiguous. These statutes should be struck down just like loitering laws.
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      • Author by Brabantio (July 26, 2009 5:32 pm ET)
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        He was outside, but there's no basis for charging him with it since a)he was lured out there, and b)the law doesn't apply to speech according to the Massachusetts Supreme Court.
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        • Author by pags2 (July 27, 2009 2:08 pm ET)
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          The so called disorderly conduct started after Gates showed his id's to the cop and asked for the cop's name and badge number. That is when the cop told him to step outside. Gates made a sarcastic retort. There was no basis for the cop filing charges and he knew it. This is pure harassment and I hope the city gets sued. The city needs to check these officers egos. This would have happened even if Gates was white. It is a clear violation of Gates civil rights to file and then dismiss a bogus charge. When this incident costs the city money, then maybe the cops will get the idea.
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    • Author by pete592 (July 26, 2009 1:29 pm ET)
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      I always thought you arrest due to suspicion of a crime being committed. The right-wing professional liars love rewriting the book on everything.
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      • Author by pags2 (July 26, 2009 3:32 pm ET)
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        You cannot arrest on a charge of suspicion of a crime. The arrest has to be for the crime, otherwise it is an interrogation which you are free to leave. If it is an arrest then Miranda rights attach. However, cops usually try to interrogate people before they are arrested. If it is an interrogation, you just refuse to answer any questions and leave. If they will not allow you to leave, then it constitutes an arrest. But police like to leave the right to leave ambiguous. You just demand to be arrested or you leave. You have no obligation to submit to an interrogation and you can end it by telling them you want your attorney. If they say you are not entitled to an attorney at that point then you say nothing and you can leave.
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        • Author by pete592 (July 26, 2009 3:56 pm ET)
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          I said "due to" not "charged with" suspicion of a crime. Maybe I should have said accused, alleged, purported, whatever floats your boat. It all revolves around being innocent until proven guilty.
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        • Author by franky (July 26, 2009 10:08 pm ET)
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          Good post. Seems simple enough the way you put it. I was confused about that.
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    • Author by dmhack (July 26, 2009 1:39 pm ET)
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      I'd be interested to know if the white middle-aged guys in this clip have ever been arrested without cause. I'd bet they haven't.

      Arrest somebody to cool down the situation? What tripe. Even if you buy the idea that Gates needed cooling down--arresting him was a dumb move.
      Was the public in danger? Nope. Gates and the cane he needs to walk hardly makes him a menace to society. We're they in any danger? Nope. Three guns, three batons and likely a laser or two beats an old guy with a cane.
      They simply got their panties in a knot because they felt he didn't show them respect. Tough. If you don't like getting yelled at then being a cop probably isn't a good job choice.

      Formally arrested someone--putting then in cuffs, reading them their rights, taking them to the police station and taking a mugshot of them--is hardly a smart way of cooling someone off or gaining their respect.




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      • Author by juliajayne (July 26, 2009 1:49 pm ET)
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        Formally arresting someone--putting then in cuffs, reading them their rights, taking them to the police station and taking a mugshot of them--is hardly a smart way of cooling someone off or gaining their respect.

        Your point and my point above can't be repeated enough. I think it needs to seep into people's consciousness that Gates did go through something extremely humiliating.

        And the charges being dropped was a fait accompli from the beginning. So no arrest should have been made.
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        • Author by pags2 (July 26, 2009 3:59 pm ET)
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          This is why cities get sued for civil rights violations because of cops. The cop lets his ego get in the way and makes an arrest on a BS charge and then drops it. However, this time he made a serious mistake and now it will cost the city thousands of dollars.
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          • Author by MickD (July 26, 2009 9:33 pm ET)
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            I have tried to stay neutral in this argument, due to the situation being tabloid-blown-out-of-proportion, but I have been saying to persons vehemently taking the side of the cops that the "authority" figure blew his opportunity by not insisting that the charges stick. And show up in a court of law to tell his side and let the professor tell his side. That sideshow would have something. But "they" dropped the charges.
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            • Author by magnolialover (July 27, 2009 12:46 pm ET)
                 
              This is what I don't understand either. The cop's side of the story, and everyone behind the cop (disclaimer, he appears to be a good public servant, who made a mistake) keep saying he did nothing wrong.

              If that is the case, why did they drop the charges? If he did nothing wrong, they should have kept the charges in place, and gone to court, like you said above.

              That is, if they really think he did nothing wrong.

              On another note, cops sometimes seem to have a distinct lack of knowledge about certain laws. For example, I am a cyclist, have been for many years. I can't tell you how many times a cop has stopped, or called for me and or me and a friend of mine to pull over while we were out riding. Why? Because we were riding 2 abreast on the side of the road, and that's illegal. Which, in North Carolina, it isn't. I've had many an argument about that one.

              Just because someone is a police officer, doesn't mean they know the laws in and out.
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    • Author by Romario (July 26, 2009 1:47 pm ET)
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      I saw the discussion and just shook my head when Bennett made that statement. He was basically saying that folks can be arrested for excercising their free speech rights? Didn't he also say in order to reduce crime, black babies should be aborted?

      Why does CNN allow this guy to be an "analyst"?
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      • Author by Brabantio (July 26, 2009 5:37 pm ET)
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        Didn't he also say in order to reduce crime, black babies should be aborted?

        Not exactly (bold mine):
        Addressing a caller's suggestion that the "lost revenue from the people who have been aborted in the last 30 years" would be enough to preserve Social Security's solvency, radio host and former Reagan administration Secretary of Education Bill Bennett dismissed such "far-reaching, extensive extrapolations" by declaring that if "you wanted to reduce crime ... if that were your sole purpose, you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down." Bennett conceded that aborting all African-American babies "would be an impossible, ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do," then added again, "but the crime rate would go down."
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        • Author by NiceguyEddie (July 27, 2009 10:17 am ET)
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          OK... He's absolutely NOT advocating for eugencis. BUT... he's still suggesting that fewer blacks would mean less crime. Not exactly eschewing racial stereotypes there.
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          • Author by Brabantio (July 27, 2009 10:30 am ET)
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            It sort of depends on how you read it. Black people are disproportionately poor, which is a factor in crime. If he meant that black people are inherently more violent and lawless, then obviously that's racist. Talking about poor people would have made things clearer, if that's how he really meant it.

            That being said, I wasn't impressed with his defense of this incident at all. I thought I understood it as I explained above, but in the end he did make himself look like a bigot.
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            • Author by NiceguyEddie (July 27, 2009 10:42 am ET)
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              True, but that's the problem with relying on stereotypes to make one's point. The final denotation of the statement may be correct (as you pointed out: black means disproportinatley poor, and poor means disproportinatley criminal) but to make the point using a streotype, suggests that you believe the stereotype, to the point that you believe others share that same belief. So yeah... it makes him a biggot all right.
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    • Author by Don Quixote (July 26, 2009 1:54 pm ET)
         
      Utter nonsense! Arresting for anything other than what appears to be a criminal act is false arrest, which is itself unconstitutional and can subject you and/or your department to lawsuits and possible criminal charges. By making that stupendously magnanimously stupid decision to pull out that handcuffs instead of saying "whatever" and walking away, look what happened.

      Gates could easily sue for false arrest. He probably shouldn't but he have pretty much an open and shut case.
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    • Author by phredicles (July 26, 2009 1:54 pm ET)
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      Now I'm curious: What is the source of Bennett's professed expertise on police procedures? I'm not aware of his ever having been a police officer or having undergone training to bvecome one. Of course, it's not like I've studied his biography in detail. So has Bennett done anything with his time besides talk out his capacious backside and park same in front of various slot machines?
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      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (July 26, 2009 2:10 pm ET)
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        I think Bennett was just censoring himself a little to be more "PC". What he meant to say was "Sometimes you just shoot the person who looks least like you to calm down your fat old terrified white guy paranoia."
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    • Author by skiploader1111 (July 26, 2009 2:13 pm ET)
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      Bennett looked angry to me. He should be arrested.
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      • Author by Victor Colorado (July 26, 2009 2:44 pm ET)
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        Ah, you noticed that too. The pre-crime unit needs to act on this thug quickly before he punches a small child.
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        • Author by MickD (July 26, 2009 9:36 pm ET)
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          I bet BushieCo had a "pre-crime" unit contingency plan locked in Cheney's man-size safe.
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    • Author by snoopy (July 26, 2009 2:46 pm ET)
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      Gee, now we get another 24 hours out of the non-story by di-secting what could or could not have been done. The poor white victims of the right just won't be happy until someone comes out and says the n-word on air and gets away with it.
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      • Author by fairliberal (July 28, 2009 6:59 pm ET)
           
        Who was playing the poor victim? Was it the white cop?
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    • Author by canaanxing9025 (July 26, 2009 2:48 pm ET)
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      Bennet has the attitude of white men of a certain age (60+), from relatively prosperous backrounds, who think they are morally,and socially superior and righteous. They think they have the right to dictate how everyone should behave, and when those around them don't behave in the manner they dictate, it becomes about law and order - control.

      'cuff 'em Dano.

      I hope that index finger of his falls off.

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    • Author by fantagor (July 26, 2009 3:45 pm ET)
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      Yep, nothing cools off a situation like being cuffed, forced into a squad car, fingerprinted, mug shot and put in a jail cell. Works for me every time.

      Randy
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    • Author by bilbo_dies (July 26, 2009 4:01 pm ET)
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      Bennett:
      "You often arrest to cool down the situation"


      Translated from bigot talk:
      "You often arrest anytime someone gets uppity with you"
      "You often arrest anytime someone trys to assert their rights"
      "You often arrest anytime you are having a bad day and feel the need to take it out on someone else"

      I could go on but; you get the gist.
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    • Author by rtwmd1230 (July 26, 2009 4:45 pm ET)
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      Did anyone arrest Bennett "to cool down the situation" when he was $200,000 in the hole at the black jack table?
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    • Author by blk-in-alabam (July 26, 2009 7:13 pm ET)
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      You arrest to cool a situation down.When dealing with a disorderly group of people,for purpose of seperating to cool down.With an individual in case with low potential of violence,slightly different aproach.Some people like to quote excerpts from THE BOOK that do not apply to subject being dealt with
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    • Author by open_mind (July 26, 2009 9:20 pm ET)
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      Arresting people to "cool them down"? Sounds like the policy of Bull Conner, Birmingham, AL circa 1960. Attack dogs and high-pressure hoses work pretty good, too from what I hear.
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      • Author by blk-in-alabam (July 26, 2009 11:09 pm ET)
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        It is often the young inexperience police that ues these tactics.A combination of,not knowing what to do,scared,and their own view of how they think the world is,until they see more of it.A sargent with specialized training diffusing such situations,should have done his job.Let the professor call whoever he wanted to the next day.He insted bought heat on a long chain of people that had nothing to do with this.
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    • Author by kager (July 27, 2009 3:53 am ET)
         
      The Gates incident is just showing the "Old Mentality" that has ruled this country since the start and the GOP seems to be the last vestiges of it. Whites have slaughtered, raped,enslaved and commited every crime imaginable to blacks and other minorities. But yet when the whites did all that they were not looked at as causing a racial division in this country. Only when blacks and other minorities insult or threaten whites is that considered to cause racial problems in this country.Gates insulting the officer, even by calling him racist, did not allow the officer to arrest Gates,"just to cool down a situation", once it had been determined Gates was in his own home. By that logic that means Obama or Sotomayor, who are high ranking officers, should have a right to arrest Rush Limbaugh in his own home, when he insults them and calls them racist, in order to "just cool down a situation". There was no situation once it was determined Gates was in his own home. The only situation here the GOP sees is that some minority citizen had the nerve to stand up to a white authority figure and tell him he was wrong.
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    • Author by vysotsky (July 27, 2009 6:46 am ET)
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      Bennett is totally right on this one. Sometimes when a situation gets out of hand, like for instance if a black man owns a really nice house that you don't expect him to own and he starts acting like he's got rights, you need to arrest him and cool that situation down.
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    • Author by shaggles (July 27, 2009 11:20 am ET)
         
      Really? That just sounds like you're begging for a lawsuit.
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