Stephen A. Smith: Conservatives need to "disassociate and distance themselves" from Beck's comments
July 29, 2009 8:20 pm ET
From the July 29 edition of MSNBC's The Ed Show:
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Come on...There are bad eggs from all parts of the political spectrum. Have you read the history of the progressive movement? Do you really understand what it means to be a progressive? Do you really agree with the beliefs of this movement?
Oh yeah, its because I believe in God, isn't it? Are you an atheist? Or, is it the actual "bible-thumping" that you do not approve of?
Wait, I forgot the gun part. Yes, I own a gun. And, WOW, its actually a right documented in the Constitution of this great country. Holy Cow!!
And we're back to racism. A baseless claim...
Go watch your Glenn Beck DVDs...I'm going to bed.
people like you really need to distance yourselves from repeating slogans all the time and making labels for everyone whom you disagree with. i mean, where the hell did communism come from in talking about liberals? its typical wingnut talk. just because liberals dont follow your strict ideologies on gun laws and abortion doesnt make you any better than them. you conservatives are the ones that want to go to wars and kill hundreds and thousands of our brave troops while you sit in your cushy little home hearing about it on television and then proclaiming all of them patriots and patting yourself on the back because you feel good about remembering them the same, cliche way all your other buddies do. how are you pro life when you support the death of our troops just to fight wars that we shouldnt be in? and holding up signs and claiming you support the troops doesnt help that cause... its just a typical fad to try and seem like you care, but you just like repeating the same stupid talking points.
If this "conservative" movement had an ounce of honesty (or Christianity) left in it someone with clout would have stood up long ago and quelled the birther stories by saying we all know Obama is a natural born citizen and we respect the choice of the people and respect our commander-in-chief. They also would have quelled the Gates controversy long ago by saying a man has a right to be loud and indignant in his OWN HOME. That is a basic individual freedom that America must always recognize. The state does not get to arrest a man because he may or may not have cracked a "Yo Mama" joke. The State must respect the rights of the individual property owner, the owner does not have to respect the right of the representative of the State not to have his sensitive feelings hurt.
These things are above politics and above party. Unfortunately, for the Republicans they are now run by this so-called "conservative" movement that lacks the courage of their convictions. They believe in party over convictions. Hell, they believe in party over country. It has done great damage to our political discourse and frankly, to our country as a whole. Now that they are out of power they are not trying to re-shape their message or ideas, they now prey on the simple-minded and use any tactics available to turn them against their own country. Truly shameless.
Oh, and you are aware that the 2nd Amendment, contrary to the new law recently introduced by the phony "conservative" bloc in the S.Ct., refers to MILITIAS. You can't stop the sentence at the comma.
GROW UP! Your type of "conservatism" makes REAL conservatism look bad.
Thank you. A few years back I found a copy of Conscience of a Conservative by Barry (Mister Conservative) Goldwater. It moved me more centrist, maybe even to the right from a quasi-naive view that would probably be around Michael Moore fanboy territory. I'd fallen for the old cliche about Conservatives being 'war-mongering, racist, hating the poor, etc.'
Of course, Goldwater in his later years was disowned by the Neocons because he maintained his views instead of becoming a bitter hater, or the cliche above, which pretty well describes the Neocons, who have hijacked the Republicans and the term "conservative".
Seriously, that's his ideology in a nutshell and jstephens believes it, supports it, and doesn't even have the temerity to at least give credit to Beck. He would rather pretend that he has done this research on progressivism and has formed this opinion on his own.
Anyway, I'm glad people like jstephens have aligned themselves with Beck. It only proves that the Republicans are constantly breaking apart from a consolidated platform. they are eating their own. On one hand you have an ever growing number of people who have voluntarily succombed to these wild eyed psychotic ideologies spouted by Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, Coultier, etc etc, and on the other you have the traditional Republicans who are quickly becoming extinct. Sonner or later, being conservative is going to be equated with being a nut job who believes in all these vast conspiracies. There is no middle road for these people. That is why they will lose independents in vast numbers in the coming years. As a rational independent minded person, would you want to be equated with an ideology that concentrates on conspiracies and is led by a former coke head comedian who wears lederhosen on his televison show and can cry at the drop of a hat?
Reflect on this. If Joseph Goebbels were alive today, would he feel more of a kinship in ideology and action with Ed Shultz or Glenn Beck? Keith Olbermann or Bill O'Reilly? Rachel Maddow or Ann Coultier? Chris Matthews or Rush Limbaugh? Barack Obama or G. Gordon Liddy?
Propositioning men for sex in a public bathroom, sex with a prostitute, sex with an intern, sex with minor boys....the list goes on.
Family values = do as I say, not as I do.
Except when it comes to women making private and personal medical decisions. That's when your "individual rights" mantra flies out the window.
God is used before and after, you've been caught propositioning men in a public bathroom for sex, sex with a prostitute, sex with an intern, sex with minor boys, sex with some other guys wife .
Except in the case of the death penalty....then you say fry'im
You betcha!
Iraq war = TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS
Conservatives are Republicans and Republicans are conservatives, no difference.
You vote for them, you support them and when they screw up the country, screw every man or woman around, you whine you're a conservative.
Someone needs to get Mr. Smith his own show.
Glenn Beck has the courage to state something that no one else has in the mainstream media: The emperor has no clothes. During his radio show on July 29th, Glenn Beck provided 25 minutes of sound clips direct from Obama that make his point. They clearly show a bias toward race.
Racism is not limited to white people. Blacks can be equally racist. And its not "reverse racism"...its flat-out RACISM.
As Beck clearly stated, racism is defined as "discrimination or prejudice based on race"...Discrimination is treatment based on category rather than individual merit.
Obama favors policy based on race rather than individual merit. Obama was recorded talking about rich white people living in the suburbs who don't want to pay taxes for poor urban children. WTF?
During a press conference specifically to address healthcare, Obama said the police acted "stupidly", without knowing any facts, and went straight into a race example. He discussed racial profiling and a bill he worked on. He firmly believed that the officer in question acted "stupidly" because he was racist.
Also, this interview between Steve and Ed completly dismissed the fact that the left accused Bush of being a racist...and he didn't say anything like this! It was all complete crap drummed up by idiots like Spike Lee! Instead, this interview focused on how it was different, because people died from a hurricane. What?
I'm tired of this race baiting crap. I'm tired of people not calling people out as racist because they are not white. And I'm damn tired of the radical left not addressing this honestly.
I would challenge each person, before responding with crap arguments, to actually read the transcripts or listen to the audio from Beck's show and judge for themselves. I have the courage to listen and read (and post) on sites like this...try it.
I honestly didn't read the rest of your post because I couldn't stop laughing when I reached this point. Beck is a racist loon who is making a fortune playing to the racist leanings of people like you. Barack Obama might say to you, "Let's talk and understand each other." I'm not that magnanimous, so I say crawl back into that hole with the rest of the lunatic fringe. Sorry, but giving yourselves a proper name, like "conservatives", doesn't change the fact that you're a bunch of freaks.
It is a prevailing tactic of the mentally challenged to avoid the actual discussion and attempt dismissive humor or putdowns.
Without fact, you have judged me. Without fact, you have judged over half of the country that say they hold conservative values.
But at least you avoided the discussion. Smart move on your part, because even with ever other poster on this hate filled site supporting your radical beliefs, you would not win.
And we hope you do keep posting here. Unlike reich leaning sites, we won't prevent you from posting your opinion no matter how couched in white priveledge it is.
I see a pattern forming here. No one actually addresses the comments I made. Only dismissive comments, claiming I am a racist. Yet, not one of you actually know me. You have no sound clips of me...unlike Obama.
You are cowards.
And again...the progressive tactic of trying to change the subject. You want the thread to go down evolution vs creationism because you have nothing of value to state on this topic.
I did include quotes of Obama that I myself witnessed during his town hall. Unlike some, I actually read and pay attention to both sides of the argument to better understand. I recommend it.
And you call me divisive. Now that's IRONY.
We see a pattern too. A racist lets Beck re-define racism so he can feel better about his inner racism as he whines about liberals not wanting to debate his racist lack of facts. Boo hoo. I'm dialing Whine One One so we can dispatch the Whaaambulance for you.
Affirmitve Action does not, repeat NOT, base decisions on merit. Otherwise, it would not exist. In fact, if FORCES decisions to be made on race, sometimes at the expense of merit.
For example, if the AA law says a percentage of business must be given to a company owned by a non-white individual, it does not matter who has a better product or price, only color.
For example, if there are more qualified minority businesses bidding on a project they should not be knocked out of the running because a poor performing company is willing to undercut the bid up front only to inflate charges later to make up for the initial loss.
If it doesn't level the playing field, then I'm not sure what you think is happening. Was the playing field already level? Are you saying that minorities are at a societal advantage? Are 30% of CEOs black now or something? And what is your basis for the suggestsion that the "intent" is just to discriminate for the hell of it?
You have NO clue what you are talking about . . . your "conservatism" is Rush Limbaugh conservatism: hate, slander, hate, denigrate, hate, anger.
Good grief.
He was asked about the Gates case. He didn't bring it up all on his own, as you imply.
He was asked about race relations. It was part of the question. And how do you justify the assertion that this shows bias towards race? Wouldn't the more obvious explanation be that it's hard to see what a legitimate charge could be for arresting him "in their own home" and perhaps also that he "may be a little biased here" because "Skip Gates is a friend"? Are you familiar with the press conference at all, or are you relying on the rantings of someone else?
Unbelievably absurd lie. He specified that he didn't know if race played any role or not. He said the discussion about race was "separate and apart" from the Gates case. Furthermore, he said they acted stupidly "in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home". That is pretty stupid whether race is involved or not. There's nothing to assert that judgment relies on the race of the arresting officer. Prove me wrong, by all means.
Didn't say anything like what? Bush never criticized the actions of a single minority person, ever? The point about "people died from a hurricane" would be that Bush didn't really seem to care a whole lot.
Beck can't have it both ways. To "hate" something without "disliking" it? That's a cowardly comment from Beck. He's trying to rile up his followers while protecting himself from criticism.
No, Glenn Beck knew that his blind followers WANT to believe what he said . . . why? Because Beck KNOWS that his blind followers are just as racist as he is and they want to hear someone they believe has authority affirm their ridiculous beliefs.
BTW, you are aware that Glenn Beck is a high school dropout who likes to brag that he is a "self-educated" man. I'm thinking that his teacher needs to be fired.
WTF? Ever heard of the teabaggers?