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Discussing NBC poll, Chuck Todd pronounces GOP the winner of message war

July 30, 2009 11:35 am ET

From the July 30 edition of MSNBC's Morning Joe:

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NYT accentuates the negative in health care polling article

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    • Author by shaggles (July 30, 2009 11:39 am ET)
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      What? What message war? What is he talking about?
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      • Author by mybrotherskeeper (July 30, 2009 11:47 am ET)
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        What GOP?
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        • Author by wolf kotenberg (July 30, 2009 2:20 pm ET)
             
          Maybe it is time for the electorate to pin the republicans to the wall and ask them exactly what their message is. McConnell, Boehner and the like need to face the electorate.
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      • Author by mjh (July 30, 2009 12:06 pm ET)
           
        "What message war?" - shaggles


        C'mon shag -- you know, the Message War, the one that was declared after the cease-fire on the War On Christmas . . .
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      • Author by rtwmd1230 (July 30, 2009 12:57 pm ET)
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        And Chuck has his hopes pinned on getting a Distinguished Service Cross.
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    • Author by mybrotherskeeper (July 30, 2009 11:47 am ET)
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      Chuck Todd says Obama's 40% disapproval rating is "all coming from Republicans?" Is that true? I thought I had read Obama's support was slipping among Independents? Haven't Republicans dispproved all along? We are just now putting on red and blue jerseys?
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      • Author by mybrotherskeeper (July 30, 2009 12:01 pm ET)
           
        Ahem. Here is what the latest tracker from the highly respected Kaiser Foundation found about public support softening and criticisms registering: "While the data make clear that Republicans are driving the concern (67 percent worry that Congress will pass a plan that will negatively impact their family), there is also a substantial amount of concern among Democrats (45 percent) and Independents (54 percent). ["http://www.pollster.com/blogs/healthcare_losing_the_message.php]
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    • Author by worrierking (July 30, 2009 11:47 am ET)
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      If the GOP won the message war it was with their secret weapon, the lack of a message.
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      • Author by mr. l (July 30, 2009 11:59 am ET)
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        I am eagerly awaiting Colbert's 'The Word' to jump all over this...
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      • Author by mybrotherskeeper (July 30, 2009 12:08 pm ET)
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        If the Republicans have won the message war, it was predominantly fellow Republicans they have won. When you boil it down, that is all Todd is saying. The Republicans have finally won the support of ... the Republicans.
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        • Author by jshoema (July 30, 2009 12:58 pm ET)
             
          not the support of this republican.
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        • Author by mjh (July 30, 2009 1:46 pm ET)
             
          "The Republicans have finally won the support of ... the Republicans."

          Well, I guess that's a step up from winning the support of the birther/teabaggers.

          Maybe not much of a step, but a step nonetheless . . .
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      • Author by jshoema (July 30, 2009 12:58 pm ET)
           
        it was just saying no and delay delay delay
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      • Author by John Paradox (July 30, 2009 4:51 pm ET)
           
        Wow! Winning a war with blanks!
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    • Author by ayele17foli4121 (July 30, 2009 11:59 am ET)
         
      Pundits like Chuck Todds just say whatever they think. People trust Republicans... Give me a break. Good Lord only knows who is being polled.
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    • Author by ReasonAndResolve (July 30, 2009 12:23 pm ET)
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      Sorry to have to say this, but I think Todd is right about the message war - at least as related to health care reform. The GOP has stayed with their talking points, and the average American seems to be listening. In addition, the media seems to be colluding with the GOP by not challenging their lies, allowing these things to go unchallenged, in general.

      The White House needs to start by re-branding the whole effort. It has been successfully named "Obamacare" by the loyal opposition, which carries the wrong message. The Dems should begin by calling it something that enlists all Americans - Americare, Healthy America, Health Care Consumer Protection, or something like that. And then they need to push back on all the lies.

      The Dems need to monitor the media and, whenever possible, request time to respond to the lies. And they should start calling a spade a spade.

      American media consumers thrive on controversy - and the GOP has owned that aspect of the story. It is time to start a little pushback. The Dems need to stop being so damned polite. They need to start shouting down the "lying liars", they need to show some outrage. they need to name names, and stop being so frigging polite about it. That way, the Dems will headline the news, instead of the GOP.

      It is time to unleash Rahm on the press and get the fire lit.
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      • Author by manofmystique (July 30, 2009 12:50 pm ET)
           
        Republicans are controling the media who is putting out Republicans's message of fear-mongering, missinformation, lies and deceptions.
        How smart are these people who suppose to be experts?
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        • Author by jshoema (July 30, 2009 12:59 pm ET)
             
          smart enough to twist everything around
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        • Author by IncompleteProcess (July 30, 2009 1:05 pm ET)
             
          I agree, when the media invites republicans on more than democrats then yeah; but I am always less supportive of their NBC Polls.

          Here is the NYT/CBS

          "Still, Mr. Obama remains the dominant figure in the debate, both because he continues to enjoy relatively high levels of public support even after seeing his approval ratings dip, and because there appears to be a strong desire to get something done: 49 percent said they supported fundamental changes, and 33 percent said the health care system needed to be completely rebuilt.

          The poll found 66 percent of respondents were concerned that they might eventually lose their insurance if the government did not create a new health care system, and 80 percent said they were concerned that the percentage of Americans without health care would continue to rise if Congress did not act.

          By 55 percent to 26 percent, respondents said Mr. Obama had better ideas about how to change health care than Republicans in Congress did."

          There is overwhelming support for a bipartisan agreement on health care, and here again, Mr. Obama appears in the stronger position: 59 percent said that he was making an effort to work with Congressional Republicans, while just 33 percent said Republicans were trying to work with him on the issue.
          http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/30/us/politics/30poll.html?_r=1&hp
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        • Author by ReasonAndResolve (July 30, 2009 1:19 pm ET)
             
          In the case of the "message war" it doesn't matter. No-one calls them on their message, so it is believed by media consumers. Most folks aren't as interested as you or I in researching to determine the truth. Most folks rely on just one source to tell them what is going on - and they wrongly trust the media to tell the truth.

          This is why it is up to the Dems to go on the offensive and force the truth onto the media and the consumers.
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    • Author by photo7seven (July 30, 2009 1:29 pm ET)
         
      Why aren't media outlets factchecking the Republicans' rhetoric on Healthcare Reform? During the Presidential Election everyone's words were factchecked. The Republicans seem to have too much liberty in lying about the facts of the Healthcare Reform Bill.

      The recent poll numbers on Healthcare reflects an ignorant public more so than anything else. The media has a job (that it is failing to do) in this debate and it's to educate (not entertain) the public.

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    • Author by rtdavis11200 (July 30, 2009 1:58 pm ET)
         
      Todd you sound like the insurance industry has gotten to you.

      Please say I am wrong. Stop supporting killing health reform!
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    • Author by mk3872 (July 30, 2009 3:10 pm ET)
         
      He is correct. This WH has been TERRIBLE at control the media cycles.

      This kind of stuff matters.

      Love it or hate it. This is the way our MSM works.

      The WH should learn from this and should know better ...
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    • Author by MickD (July 30, 2009 5:19 pm ET)
         
      Yippee we have a winner! And it's the evil party of Darth Cheney and BushieCo. They're grrrrrrrrr-reat.

      And the satisfaction is, oh yes, the medical insurance industry CEOs get to keep their boats and the middle class get to pay $800 a month for coverage. Sounds like a winner to me.
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