Beck's "idea" same as Rush's: Proposes "Cash for Cripples"

"The difference is in the third reich the "worthy" were decided by the government and that end was insured by the government."

Yes, the political right never uses the power of the government. Only leftists use the power of the government.

"America used to be a system with much social mobility, with the mobility being defined by one's initiative."

Sure, that's one of the things that makes America great. Of course it isn't nearly that simple and one would have to be blind not to note all of the institutionalized inequalities built into the system to favor the monied classes.

"But as our government regresses to the left government has become picking winners and losers (i.e. bailout corps. social/racial programs)"

Yeah, Bush had nothing to do with the bailouts, and conservatives never choose winners and losers.

"Saying that America is becoming a fascist nation could potentially have merit, because if we look at emperical examples you would see that the economic systems of the countries were quite centrally planned (i.e. socialism)"

All ducks have feathers, therefore anything with feathers is a duck, eh? Economic planning is not solely a feature of the political left, and fascism was not just an economic system at any rate.

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler

Except he never did destroy that system, did he? Hitler came to power with the assistance of the German right (Hindenberg, Hugenberg, etc.). The so-called "Nazi-left," as epitomized as such people as the Strasser brothers, was ruthlessly curbed by the middle stages of the movement, even before the Nazis gained power.

"13. We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts)."

Again, never happened, except primarily to Jewish run businesses, which were "aryanized." German big business did just fine under Hitler, especially after he crushed the unions (much of the political right's wet dream, both then and now).

"14. We demand profit-sharing in large industrial enterprises."

Profit-sharing? That isn't part of the capitalist system? I'll have to tell my company to do away with their profit-sharing programs because they are a commie-Hitlerian plot.

"15. We demand the extensive development of insurance for old age."

Insurance for old age, what an evil leftist idea. Oh, and in Germany the welfare state was largely built up by such "leftists" as Otto von Bismark. I'm glad that many people will not have to end their days in dire poverty because of such devices. Are you arguing otherwise?

"16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle class, the immediate communalizing of big department stores, and their lease at a cheap rate to small traders, and that the utmost consideration shall be shown to all small traders in the placing of State and municiple orders."

So: Healthy middle class = bad, according to conservatives? High-profile big department stores in Germany were targeted by the Nazis as being run by Jews; Hitler aryanized them but never "communalized" them. Wealthy non-Jewish businessmen were more than happy to steal these businesses for a fraction of their real value. "Small traders?" Again, the right is against small business?

"17. We demand a land reform suitable to our national requirements, the passing of a law for the expropriation of land for communal purposes without compensation; the abolition of ground rent, and the prohibition of all speculation in land. * (repealing property rights)"

Again, you might find places where Hitler gave credence to this sort of thing in his rhetoric (some of which had a revolutionary "left" flavor in the early days of the Nazi movement), but property rights were largely respected when they gained power, unless you happened to be an enemy of the Nazis. Big Junker land holders and IG Farben were never communalized.

Oh, and part of Point 17 of the platform (mysteriously not included in your post) also demanded the abolition of taxes on land, something many American conservatives would claim to love.

"18. We demand the ruthless prosecution of those whose activities are injurious to the common interest. Common criminals, usurers, ***profiteers***, etc., must be punished with death, whatever their creed or race"

Common criminals? Sounds like Hitler was "tough on crime." Usury? Conservatives are pro-usury? (Actually, there may be something to that.)
"Profiteering" is the accumulation of wealth by unethical means, and a healthy society (left, right or center) should be against it.

"Profiteer: one who makes what is considered an unreasonable profit especially on the sale of essential goods during times of emergency" - Merriam Webster


"The others are quite similar in political philosophy, I merely chose these ones because they were the least cryptic and most blatant examples of their leftist tendancies."

And because other ones would cut against your Nazis are liberals thesis. It looks to me like you cribbed a cherry-picked "Nazis are leftists" screed from the internet rather than cracking an actual history book.

"Fascism is inherently leftist because it involves massive expansion of government, while right leaning individuals prefer emancipation from government."

I understand that is the rhetoric, yes. The reality? Not so much.

"Mussolini's summary of the Fascist philosophy: "Tutto nello Stato, niente al di fuori dello Stato, nulla contro lo Stato" (Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State)"

Again, this false notion that the political right eschews the power of the state... Yet it seems that conservatives are always eager to take control of said state and to use its powers as they see fit. Mussolini, of course, came to power with the collusion of the conservative Italian monarchy and the Catholic Church as a weapon against the Italian left.

Liberals and Conservatives both want big govt., they just dont agree on what role it should play. The main difference between liberals and conservatives is this; liberals desire government programs which improve society but hate and fear the police state. Conservatives dont believe government progams generally can improve society but love the police state and fear life without it.

You dont see too many liberals defending the government's right to spy on us in secret, without a warrant. This is a power that is ALWAYS abused. You don't see too many liberals arguing that the government should "preventatively" detain terrorist suspects indefinately without trial simply because the government asserts, without evidence, that they're terrorists. It is not liberals who make arguments for torture techniques which America always condemns when done by others. Liberals aren't generally in favor of outlawing marriage between two consenting adults of the same gender, or of policing people's bedrooms generally. Liberals arent in favor of teacher-led prayer in public schools, or of a theocratic government. Liberals are generally horrified by police brutality/discrimination. Conservatives typically either deny that its a major problem or make excuses for officers who are brutal. Liberals believe that our exploding prison population, which is largely a result of people recieving long prison sentences for doing weed, is a bad thing, and that prison conditions are a national embarassment. Conservatives just can't be bothered about the rights of criminals.

See a pattern here? The programs that liberals favor are democratically legitamate. If people vote for high taxes and get them, noone's rights are being violated, no matter how much some dislike this arrangement. It simply isn't a matter of rights, its a matter of policy.

Finally socialist policies are not what makes fascism fascist. Nor is "sacrificing rights for the collective". Fascism, as I understand the word, is based group identification, with members of the group ranked by purity.

The arguments of you and RichardSimones put forth basically amount to "Hitler increased the size government, therefore government bad". Guess what, its not big government that makes fascism evil, its the way that government behaves.

And more importantly force others to do so.