Kornacki: like Tea Parties, protests are lobbyists "manufacturing, with the help of conservative media outlets, outrage"
August 03, 2009 10:04 pm ET
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He won't be invited back. He's not following the script at all. Cut Kornacki's mike!!!
When the left claims there is no plan.....there is no plan passed.
They have a plan and the public does not like it. Just when would it be convenient for the voters to start asking questions? AFTER you spend another few trillion bucks?
Our representatives should be questioned about it and expected to explain. When someone is not listening and acting arrogant about it, you tend to shout.
Our representatives should be questioned, you are correct, and they should be able to explain their position, and what the bill actually says. However, there is a corporate sponsored conservative movement that has no interest in debate. Rather, they propose to shout down debate, and to thwart any discussion of a public option in health coverage.
All the townhalls where disruptions have occurred, it's clear the official was trying to listen, and to answer. The shouting from plants in the audience was part of a prepackaged plan, and would have happened no matter how reasonable the officials in question were being.
It's very similar to honest hardworking Americans taking time off of work to protest the 4% tax increase that their -bosses- were given. You may know them as teabaggers. They were outraged, but a bit foolishly so in my opinion.
Democrats are the ones who promised bi-partisanship and are instead holding secret closed door meetings amongst themselves only about the health care issue. They are the ones refusing to meet with the Republican counterparts. They are the ones who promised transparency to the American people and instead are trying to push their agenda through without disclosing everything to even each other let alone the American people. They are the ones shoving this bill through just like the stimulus plan was shoved through and we are just now finding out how screwed up that was. They need to slow this down and make it as transparent as possible to the American people.
Are you seriously saying that there are no Republicans on any of the committees considering the impending health coverage reform legislation? Because that doesn't pass to smell test, insaneloki20024664.
The Democrats did -not- promise transparency, President Obama did. The legislation is available online. You have the entire month of August to read and study up, as do all who would like to read it. They are not shoving it through, though with their majorities, they very easily could.
About the stimulus plan, are you referring to the stimulus plan begun under Bush II that Obama extended? If so, take it up with Republicans.
If you are opposed to closed door meetings, how did you feel when Cheney sat down with the oil companies to decide our energy policy? At least President Obama is not allowing the insurance companies to write the regulations that will control them!
Both you and 'what', who I initially replied to, seem very concerned about slowing down, getting the facts right, and not wasting billions of dollars. I refer you to the Iraq war: hasty, expensive, and absolutely nothing to show for it except for the billions stolen by Halliburton, and thousands of dead Americans.
This outrage over health coverage reform is being manufactured by lobbyists for the insurance companies, folks. They're trying to protect their right to collect your money as premiums, and then to keep it when you fall ill by canceling your policy, claiming the shareholders made them do it and wringing their hands in false sympathy. What's the difference between premiums and taxes? Well, with taxes, at least you get a say in how it is SPENT!
So you're saying that you are pro-death?
By law, anyone showing up at an ER has to be provided care. No one is dying for lack of healthcare.
If obamacare ever takes hold, more people will die waiting their turn for what are now, readily avaiable procedures.
Unfortaunately, your lies and insincerity is costing lives. Anybody who has ever really investigated the health caer system in other nations knows the truth.
To what country will Senator Dodds be seeking his cancer treatments? Where did Canadian leaders wives go for their cancer treatment?
While it is true that if you walk into an emergency room you will be treated, it is a very expensive way to run things. If everyone had access to affordable coverage, then they wouldn't wait until it was an emergency to see a doctor. Whatever is wrong with them might be discovered early enough to be far cheaper to treat. Who do you think pays for the medical bills of those without insurance? People who -have- insurance.
I would think that enlightened self interest in lower premiums and lower hospital costs ALONE would be enough for conservatives to be clamoring for a public option.
From what would be spent for medicare, medicaid and a single payor option(socialized medicine), each citizen or legal resident of the US could purchase coverage, use the power of free choice in finding what fits the individual, and watch the cost of care stablilize without the rationing of socialized medicine or limit on individual freedom.
We -already- spend twice what the average industrialized country does, and don't even have 100% of our citizens covered by a plan?
How does a voucher system take into account areas of the country which are ruled by virtual monopolies in both care and coverage?
If you're going to spend all the money and time to make a voucher system work, why wouldn't a public option accomplish the same thing -and- lower costs through competition for people who like their private insurance?
That's the kicker. We spend twice as much, and are ranked 39th in the world in the health care we get! Spain and Italy, which have a mixture of socialized medicine/free market medicine, have the #1 and #2 best health care systems in the world.
Which hospitals were filled with rats and roaches? Remember the uncovering of such conditions that were present at VA hospitals? You couldn't stay open in the private sector and have that happen.
When you create the voucher system, you make insurance portable, available nationally not limited to specific states. No monopolies and teh extra money the individual saves is put into Health Savings Accounts to pay for care needs down the road.
Again, it's about -coverage- and not -care-.
"Which hospitals were filled with rats and roaches? Remember the uncovering of such conditions that were present at VA hospitals? You couldn't stay open in the private sector and have that happen."
You obviously have very little experience of nursing homes. Believe me, it does happen, and they do stay open.
You've mentioned vouchers several times on this site. You've yet to explain how leaving premiums high and handing out government checks to cover them is more efficient or cheaper than first LOWERING those premiums. A health savings account? Shall we let Wall St. administer that? Or perhaps Bernie Madhoff?
Flat-out lie. Maybe someday you will learn to post without lying at every keystroke...
GOP Rep. Roy Blunt chair of the “House GOP Health Care Solutions Group.” has now said Republicans won’t offer a health care bill of their own.
“Our bill is never going to get to the floor, so why confuse the focus? We clearly have principles; we could have language, but why start diverting attention from this really bad piece of work they’ve got to whatever we’re offering right now?”
“If we’re able to stop Obama on this it will be his Waterloo. It will break him," DeMint announced.
Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK): They ought to know, they ought to know from history. This is a losing proposition for them. And for those out there who believe, that would like to have something optimistic to look at, we are plotting the demise on a week by week basis of where Bill Clinton was in 1993 and where Obama is today and his demise ratio is greater than Clinton’s was in 1993. So, he’s trying to do the same things, except more extreme.
The Republican party goal is the same as it's been since Obama took office back in January, DO ANYTHING, SAY ANYTHING, TO GET BACK IN POWER!
Republicans don't want to discuss health-care reform, nor do they plan to offer ANY health-care reform legislation of their own. And Republicans have shown absolutely ZERO desire to work in a bipartisanship manner with anyone.
So save your whine about what the Democrats have and have not done and look at your OWN party first! YOU should know that people who live in glass houses DON'T throw stones!'
A conspiracy theory that can hold some water is the Dems voting partisan politics as usual, banding together, and trying to push this through before they take vacation. This is an Obamanation and people should be outraged. This one bill has consequences that affect generations of Americans and deserves the proper time to review all the facts.
I am glad this has stalled so that all of these representatives can go home and get the ear fulls they deserve. Maybe they will think twice when they realize their reelection is at stake.
Please, take your 'sky is falling' mentality to a place where people do actually use their brains.
Are those the same public schools where achievement continues to go down while costs skyrocket?
Makes perfect sense why people are against this bill. The Gov't has a poor track record.
While most people in the audience will tend to be polite and reasonable--manner and reason won't stop these people.
When the loons start shouting, we have to be there in bigger numbers. We have to stand up and shout right back and keep on shouting until they shut the hell up.
It's time that we stop being polite and fight back.
Go to at least one town hall meeting where a Democrat is speaking, but days before the event, call and demand that your local government and/or authorities make it mandatory that anyone that wants to attend the public and very democratic gathering/meeting between your elected officials and you, their constituents must have either:
a) a valid ID that proves that the person attending is actually a resident of said district or town or what have you
b) a bill with their name on it that proves residency
As far as I'm concerned... any punk-ass right-wing blowhard that wants to speak their line of corporate crap can do so all they want... they simply must be from the area!
FYI: Don't think for one second that the right-wing crazies are not going out of their way to bus people in from other states.
As Thom Hartmann says all the time... Tag! We are all it!
Go out and get active! Because rest assured, the right-wing is!
I highly recommend that everyone watch Maddow's first segment about this corporate terrorism on tonight's show. You can find it on the MSNBC site.
You are opening up the floodgates that could impact negatively (for the democrat party) future elections. Imagine if we asked the same questions of people heading into the voting booth? Oh, the humanity!
I guess that we will just have to count on the local constabulary keeping things civil. Heaven knows we can't count on conservatives.
And as far as the protesters, one, just ONE piece of evidence indicating insurance community organizing, please!
It's the AA rule: whenever he posts a link, it *never* backs up what he claims it does. As pointed out already, you linked to an *opinion piece.* Do you think when the author states "ACORN's radical goals to transform the U.S. into a Marxist utopia," he might be hyping events beyond recognition?
You said, "the Reps. are finally doing what the Dems. have been doing for decades."
Considering that the article you linked is all about stuff that happened LAST YEAR, I'd say the you prooved the exact OPPOSITE of your statement:
That, in fact, the DEMS. are finally doing what the REPS. have been doing for decades!
It's still disheartening, to be sure, to read stuff like this, but it's hilarious when you use it to defend the point YOU tried to make!
You lot really need to develop some logic and critical thinking skills. I recommend www.skepdic.com. There's some good stuff in there, on perception, logical falacy, reasoning, etc... So check it and out and come back when you can make an argument that isn't tranparently self-defeating.