Limbaugh on Obama's "snitch website": Where are "leftist civil libertarians" who opposed Bush's efforts "to catch terrorists"?
August 06, 2009 2:47 pm ET
From the August 6th edition of Premiere Radio Network's Rush Limbaugh:
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Also we should let the tell you that the government wont go its own goverment funded healthcare plan, despite the fact all government empolyees are already on and have been for decades, government funded health care.
Lastly telling people the government can not manage and administer healthcare in timely matter is ok right? nevermind that the last time I checked everybody, even those who oppose healthcare reform love the way medicare fuctions. There is no reason to tell people that medicare is government funded health care.
See all of those are examples of FACTUALLY WRONG things to be telling people, followed up by the truth that people should know.
That is what that wants to clamp down on, the FACTUALLY WRONG stuff.
No one is saying you cant disagree about healthcare reform. Maybe you dont think we can afford it, maybe you dont think it will cause any real reform. Maybe you think that the public option is too powerful. These things are all open to debate, and this is what the government wants to discuss with you. But everyone is instead talking about the first 3 examples on just straight untrue things. If we as a country can stop fixating on the untruth stuff we can actually adress your concerns about the debatable stuff.
Thats the point of the website, help the government clamp down on the factually untrue things so they can focus on and adress the debatable points and attempt to get you the best healthcare reform they can once they are actually able to talk to you about what you'd want in the bill, or even why you a legitimate reason not to want healtcare reform (IE something other then the government cant manage healthcare as they already are for their own employees, the Military, medicare and medicaid.)
- No other country that has Government run health care can. Its hard to believe this will be the first time it works, especially when we are destroying the best healthcare system in the world to take the chance.
"Governments sole purpose in passing health care reform is to kill old people"
- Its in noway the intent of the Government to kill old people. However, treatment will be restricted to those who the Government sees as too old to benefit. Same way its run in other government run health care systems. Not to mention that Obama confirmed that himself.
My right NEVER to be criticized for anything I say.
Quoting me correctly is just as much a violation of my civil libeties as spying on me without a warrant or torturing me.
Its gestapo tactics!
Good God, are you trying to be as stupid as you can possibly be? It must be hard work.
President Obama is asking Americans to notify him of misinformation so that the public can have a clearer, more accurate picture of health coverage reform.
Bush suppressed intel opposed to his "Iraq's gots weapons of mass destruction" lie. He deliberately misled the American people into a war.
If you can't honestly see the difference in these two mindsets, then you are probably a conservative.
I remember when schoolkids were being encouraged to tell authorities if their parents were smoking pot in the privacy of their homes, and I don't recall the wingnuts being too upset about that.
To compare wiretapping peoples' private conversations with noting news outlets or websites promoting lies is a stretch even for somebody as detached from reality as Rush.
Besides, what is Rush worried about? He clearly says that Obama is only asking for reports of propaganda, then insists that all of the propaganda is coming from Obama. If Rush is right, then there will be nothing to report, and this "snitch website" will be a total bust.
Just like this here website, Mediamatters. They've been trying to catch Rush lying, misleading or generally being a misinformed idiot for years, and have only managed to document a measly few thousand incidents. They ignore all the times he's right, like when he announces the time.
Very true, I'm in full agreement.Good thing nobody did that. I compared reporting lies with reporting drug use.
Pot is illegal.
Again, true, agreed.
We have freedom of speech.
Batting 1000 so far. The website speaking out against misinformation is solidly covered by the 1st amendment.
If i disagree with obamas policies i have a right to voice them.
You certainly do (voice your opinion,not Obama's policies I'm assuming you meant). And if you get your facts wrong, others have just as much right to point it out.
Also who determines what is considered propoganda?
That word can be pretty subjective, but facts are not.'Misinformation" and "false statements" are what are being asked for.Subjective grey areas can be debated, but only if they're exposed.Do you think possible propaganda should be kept hidden, rather than being openly discussed as Obama is requesting?
If i say at a friends house that universal healthcare will bankrupt the US do i need to worry about secret service knocking down my door?
Yes, absolutely. Sorry, I couldn't give a serious answer to a question as ridiculous as that. If you really ask that sort of question in real life, you may want to do some research or adjust your medications.
Its non of his business.
I agree with you on this point. It would be outrageous for any president to listen in on the private conversations of citizens without just cause.We might as well have kept Bush in if we wanted wiretapping and spying.Luckily, Obama only wants to know of news outlets or websites that are misinforming, in order to exercise his free speech rights and answer them.
"Pot is illegal." While this is true, it misses the point that Reagan was calling for 'snitches', and Rush didn't bat an eye. I doubt pot remains illegal for very much longer, by the way.
But, I could have added that Libel is illegal, and if there is anything libelous in any of these GOP statements, I believe we should be made aware of them.
A lot of propagandists, however,are pretty skilled at walking the line - technically true statements that may not be lies, but are deliberately misleading, and in a free society, the other side should be given the chance to answer.
Why do conservatives hate freedom so much?
Now that's what I call a nanny state. ;)
Made this very same point elsewhere, Col. Harlan Sanders. Not that it will penetrate the 'party uber alles' mentality on the right, of course.