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Beck says of Palin's "death panel" claims: "I believe it to be true"

August 10, 2009 11:40 am ET

From the August 10 broadcast of Premiere Radio Networks' The Glenn Beck Program:

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GLENN BECK: So, why is there no more discussion than there is on Sarah Palin and what she said over the weekend that there would be death -- what did she call it? -- a death squad? Or a death --

STEVE "STU" BURGUIERE (executive producer): Death panel.

BECK: A death panel for her son Trig. That's quite a statement. I believe it to be true, but that's quite a statement. She also called health care this -- Obama health care -- "evil." Did she not? Am I misquoting her, Pat?

PAT GREY: Let's see. I think she -- yes, she did.

BECK: OK.

BURGUIERE: She did.

PAT GREY: Former -- yeah, called health plan "downright evil."

BECK: Downright evil.

PAT: Hm-mm.

BECK: That's quite a statement. But, again, I believe -- I believe she at least should be listened to and you should question, "Is it evil?" Would there be -- what would make her say that there would be a death panel?

I mean, tomorrow on Fox at 5 o'clock, make sure you're joining us, because we'll ask some of those same questions. We will show you some of the reasons why you could read it this way. It'll be up to you whether or not you find it credible enough to say, "Well, now, wait a minute. Those are really bad seeds that have been planted before. Maybe we shouldn't plant those seeds." But it's up to you to decide.

Previously:

Echoing Palin, Kilmeade said health care bill mandates elderly go "in front of death panel"

Gingrich fearmongers over euthanasia, Stephanopoulos rebuts: "Those phrases appear nowhere in the bill"

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    • Author by eweston8542983 (August 10, 2009 11:43 am ET)
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      Suurprise, suurprise, suurprise!
      Completely blind sided me there Glenn. Imgine my chagrin.
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    • Author by dmhack (August 10, 2009 11:45 am ET)
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      Becky asks of Palin's insane rant, "What would make her say that there would be a death panel?"

      Gee, Becky, could it be because she's vying for world's biggest idiot? And you thought you had it in the bag.
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      • Author by Martha (August 10, 2009 12:46 pm ET)
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        Palin ran her own "death panel" in Alaska:

        July 15/2009

        Lisa Demer of the Anchorage Daily News has broken a story that adds another scandal to the growing list of scandals that have plagued this administration, and shines the light on Alaska’s very own health care crisis.

        Demer’s story centers on the horrendous condition of the Alaska’s state programs that are designed to help its most vulnerable citizens, the elderly and disabled.

        The situation is so bad the federal government has forbidden the state to sign up new people until the state makes necessary improvements. [snip]

        The moratorium is expected to last four or five months. State officials estimate about 1,000 Alaskans will be affected.

        A particularly alarming finding concerns deaths of adults in the programs. In one 2 1/2 year stretch, 227 adults already getting services died while waiting for a nurse to reassess their needs.

        Another 27 died waiting for their initial assessment, to see if they qualified for help.

        No other state in the nation is under such a moratorium, according to a spokeswoman for the federal Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services.

        http://www.themudflats.net/2009/07/15/palins-health-care-priorities-and-alaskas-daughters/
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      • Author by edrossinoelwein9669 (August 10, 2009 1:32 pm ET)
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        http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/A-tale-of-two-professors-and-Sarah-Palin-on-Obamas-death-panels-52832687.html
        "But another professor's reaction to Palin's statement demonstrates that Pollack's snark was too cute by half. According to Cornell University law school's William Jacobson, writing for the Legal Insurrection blog:
        "The incoming fire has been withering, as usual. Palin is accused of becoming the 'Zombie Queen,' certifiably insane, 'clinically wrong,' and espousing a 'gruesome mix of camp and high farce.'
        "These critics, however, didn't take the time to find out to what Palin was referring when she used the term 'level of productivity in society' as being the basis for determining access to medical care. If the critics, who hold themselves in the highest of intellectual esteem, had bothered to do something other than react, they would have realized that the approach to health care to which Palin was referring was none other than that espoused by key Obama health care adviser Dr. Ezekial Emanuel (brother of Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel)."
        Jacobson explains that:
        "The article in which Dr. Emanuel puts forth his approach is 'Principles for Allocation of Scarce Medical Interventions,' published on January 31, 2009 .... While Emanuel does not use the term 'death panel,' Palin put that term in quotation marks to signify the concept of medical decisions based on the perceived societal worth of an individual, not literally a 'death panel.' And in so doing, Palin was true to Dr. Emanuel's concept of a system which considers prognosis, since its aim is to achieve complete lives. A young person with a poor prognosis has had a few life-years but lacks the potential to live a complete life.
        "'Considering prognosis forestalls the concern the disproportionately large amounts of resources will be directed to young people with poor prognoses. When the worst-off can benefit only slightly while better-off people could benefit greatly, allocating to the better-off is often justifiable ... When implemented, the complete lives system produces a priority curve on which individuals aged between roughly 15 and 40 years get the most chance, whereas the youngest and oldest people get chances that are attenuated.'
        "Put together the concepts of prognosis and age, and Dr. Emanuel's proposal reasonably could be construed as advocating the withholding of some level of medical treatment (probably not basic care, but likely expensive advanced care) to a baby born with Down Syndrome. You may not like this implication, but it is Dr. Emanuel's implication not Palin's."
        Put another, less charitable way than Professor Jacobson chose, the analyses of Palin critics would be more likely to be taken seriously if they displayed at least a modicum of intellectual honest
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        • Author by The_Cat (August 10, 2009 1:42 pm ET)
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          Quoting Betsy McCaughey as a neutral source, edrossinoelwein9669? That's very disingenuous of you. She's told almost more lies about health coverage reform than Limbaugh has. She's certainly told them on more talk shows and more stations than he has.
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          • Author by foghornleghorn (August 10, 2009 2:26 pm ET)
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            Plus she's a paid shill for the insurance company vampires.
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          • Author by edrossinoelwein9669 (August 10, 2009 7:41 pm ET)
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            The quote is from a Cornell University Law professor, William Jacobson. The link goes to a Washington Examiner editorial page with the byline "by Mark Tapscott. As far as I know, Betsy McCaughey is not cited in the article anywhere.
            The important part of this quote is that Dr. Emanuel is a member of Obama's health care advisory (he is also Rahm Emanuel's brother). As such, his proposal is certainly germane to the debate, and Palin's 'Death Panel" is a graphic and telling expression of what ObamaCare may look like.
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            • Author by twseattle (August 10, 2009 9:17 pm ET)
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              Not true, Stephanopolis shot down Gingrich when he tried to make that point Sunday.
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              • Author by edrossinoelwein9669 (August 10, 2009 9:35 pm ET)
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                What's not true about it?
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                • Author by twseattle (August 10, 2009 10:05 pm ET)
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                  Not advisor, even Newt conceded.
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                  • Author by edrossinoelwein9669 (August 10, 2009 11:45 pm ET)
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                    Emanuel was appointed in March 2009 by the Obama administration to the position of Special Advisor on health policy to the Office of Management and Budget.

                    http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2009/02/dr_ezekiel_emanuel_rahms_broth.html
                    "Dr. Emanuel is a special advisor to the director of the White House Office of Management and Budget for health policy. He told me he is "working on (the) health care reform effort." He is "detailed" to the OMB spot and is still officially an employee of the NIH."
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                  • Author by edrossinoelwein9669 (August 10, 2009 11:51 pm ET)
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                    He was being considered a replacement for Tom Daschle as "Health Czar."
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    • Author by HumblePie (August 10, 2009 11:48 am ET)
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      More intellectual dishonesty a la "we report, you decide". Yuck.
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    • Author by shaggles (August 10, 2009 11:49 am ET)
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      Another Steven Colbert moment for Beck. He "believes it to be true." That's a pretty meaningless phrase unless you can back it up with something.
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      • Author by Bronwyn (August 10, 2009 1:04 pm ET)
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        He doesn't know what it is or why she said it but he believes it to be true. lol

        Thanks Glenn, for giving us permission to make up our own mind. You clown.
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    • Author by Bad News (August 10, 2009 11:50 am ET)
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      Will Glen Beck ever go back on The View?
      That will be courage Glen will need to find anew.
      It's been said that an American will do anything for a Dollar.
      If that's true about Glen Beck "Holla"

      Speak truth to power.


      Mr. News
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    • Author by Meazy (August 10, 2009 11:52 am ET)
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      Who cares what Sarah Palin says? She didn't know what what the Bush doctrine was, she can see Russia from her house, and Quit on Alaska. However something she says should be taken seriously? Come On! Being that she is just a citizen her opinion holds as much weight as mine!I can go on facebook and say I have three legs, five ears, and a monkey...doesn't mean it is true. She needs to STFU! You too Beck!

      GOP's Jedi Mind Tricks in action!
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    • Author by Leftym0m79 (August 10, 2009 11:56 am ET)
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      And I believe that you are a lying sack of cr@p.
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    • Author by The_Cat (August 10, 2009 11:59 am ET)
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      Beck on Palin's 'death panel' claims: I believe it to be true.

      Limbaugh on death threats against Congressmen: I don't believe it it true.

      Mr. Beck, Mr. Limbaugh? Let me state this very succinctly for you: What you believe is completely irrelevant. The two of you, as rabble-rousers and hate mongers are completely irrelevant. You are entertainers, essentially trained monkeys. Your crap flinging ways only prove this more fully each day.
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      • Author by puppienrainbows (August 10, 2009 12:12 pm ET)
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        If you believe your last paragraph(I do), then why do you, and so many others, give a rat's patoot about what they say? Every day MMFA and it's supporters hand-wring over how to shut these guys down yet you, in one paragraph, define precisely who they are and what they do and just how irrelevant they are. Paying attention to Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, et al, is what keeps them alive.
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        • Author by magnolialover (August 10, 2009 12:18 pm ET)
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          It's good to shed light on these yahoos, because, then people can see for themselves what a bunch of idiots they are. They're still using the same playbook that they used 15 years ago, or more, and they can't do it any longer due to people being able to call up information on the internet at will to show just how wrong these folks are.

          The reason why we object to them, is because unfortunately, there are people out there who do believe every single word they say (like yourself), and need better information. Plus, they also have large audiences who obviously listen to them. I personally would call them irrelevant at all.
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          • Author by puppienrainbows (August 10, 2009 1:06 pm ET)
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            I've always had a special place in my heart for people like yourself. Your emotions and intellect wait at the starting line each day, wait for that starting gun to tell you when it's time to go and which way to run. You're unable to form opinions without the help of others, without a consensus to tell you that you are right or wrong, without some sort of back-up to prop up your beliefs. You lash out at ideas you don't understand and then turn to your 'guru' to explain them to you. You come from a generation of non-thinkers who rely on knee-jerk reactions and then spend days figuring out how to defend your position. But fear not, you will always have a place in my heart!
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            • Author by foghornleghorn (August 10, 2009 1:13 pm ET)
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              Do you recite this every day while looking in the mirror?
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              • Author by internet soldier (August 10, 2009 2:08 pm ET)
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                Yeah, I'm definately not surprised this person knows so much easily led sheeple. Unfortunately, he/she can only reveal his deep insights about himself when lashing out at others. Its too bad because puppie's post provides such a clear view into the wingnut mind; no psycologist could've stated it any better.
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              • Author by JW, Denver (August 10, 2009 2:50 pm ET)
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                Lol. I was thinking that he received this note from someone else and simply copied it here.
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            • Author by epkklk851 (August 10, 2009 2:06 pm ET)
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              Pup, I think you must be doing some self reflection in this post. Please speak only for yourself. I have always formed my own opinions, based on what I heard and read, from the time I was in elementary school. I assure you, my opinions were NEVER based on what was "popular" and I was frequently razzed for them. I have been a Liberal since read JFK's speech about doing for your country in my 4th Grade songbook and hearing Gandhi's teachings on tolerance and non-violence when I was in 7th Grade. I was arguing against Nixon's re-election at the same time, too....with my parents. When I called Nixon a crook, after he resigned, no less, my Grandmother grabbed me and shook me and yelled that I must never say anything disrespectful about the President (apparently even if it is true.) So please, find a place in your heart and try to think about some of your knee jerk ideas, like that lock and load remark you made last week, and maybe I'll think that you have a mind and a heart.
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              • Author by puppienrainbows (August 10, 2009 3:12 pm ET)
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                That's the second reference to a statement I made in which you find detestable. I guess, in an effort to demonstrate Beck's parody style and how obvious it is, I said," I'm with you, Glenn. Lock and load". "I guess I could have constructed my sentence better". B. Obama. Am I forgiven?
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        • Author by wookie (August 10, 2009 12:30 pm ET)
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          >>If you believe your last paragraph(I do), then why do you, and so many others, give a rat's patoot about what they say?

          Because people's brains have been fried by this sort of right wing insinuendo. They no longer understand what facts or compelling arguments really are.
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          • Author by bergamot (August 10, 2009 10:39 pm ET)
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            You imply there was a point when people understood facts and compelling arguments and responded appropriately. People always react strongly against things that they perceive as a threat (death panels, commies, Muslims, etc...). You give the right wing way too much credit; they're just exploiting a well-known human weakness. And that's why we have to give a rat's patoot about what they say. The people who show up to the town hall meetings angry and ready to fight are the same that find palin's/beck's/limbaugh's bs convincing. These ignorant demagogues incite anger/violence by scaring the bejeezus out of people.
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        • Author by bintx (August 10, 2009 12:52 pm ET)
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          Why? Because uninformed people like you LISTEN to them and BELIEVE that the nonsense they are feeding you is true. Many of the uninformed people like you are DANGEROUS and they think it is their "duty" to do something about it.

          Actually, what keeps these liars alive is people like you who tune in, listen and then spout the lies you've heard there as truth. The liars are LAUGHING at you because not even THEY believe the nonsense they are shoveling. They don't care . . . it's making them money.
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        • Author by The_Cat (August 10, 2009 1:02 pm ET)
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          Anybody with a bully pulpit, puppienrainbows, who puts themselves in the public debate, as Mr. Limbaugh and Mr. Beck have, should be refuted each time they lie, or pander, or conflate, or exchange opinion for fact.

          I pointed out that what they believe is irrelevant. Why? Because what they believe will in no way affect reality.

          I pointed out that as rabble-rousers and hate-mongers they are irrelevant. Why? Because there has already been far too much violence and far too little discussion on health reform among other things. They bring no knowledge or experience to the discussion. They are not even ignorant and willing to learn. They are irrelevant.

          I pointed out that they are trained monkeys. Entertainers. Why? To remind them that they better serve the American public by sticking to what Simon was whispering to Paula on American Idol, and staying far away from public policy debate.

          There, puppienrainbows, there is your explanation.
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          • Author by puppienrainbows (August 10, 2009 1:10 pm ET)
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            And there in lies the difference between you and myself. I don't fear what people say, I fear what they do.
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            • Author by Bronwyn (August 10, 2009 1:15 pm ET)
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              Sometimes what they say, causes others to do what they do.
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              • Author by puppienrainbows (August 10, 2009 1:26 pm ET)
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                If someone acts on what someone else says, without reason and care, they are psychotic. Those types of events are few and far between. You and I and no one else are able to predict or intervene, but to try to silence those who we don't agree with, on that premise, is nothing more than a schoolyard ruse. If, and when, someone puts poison in House Speaker Pelosi's wine, you can try to make your point but that person who acts out that way would have done so without any prompts from anyone, I guarantee it.
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                • Author by foghornleghorn (August 10, 2009 1:38 pm ET)
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                  Those types of events are few and far between

                  Just recently (off the top of my head)

                  Pittsburgh killer who was afraid Obama was going to take away his guns.

                  Dr. Tiller (the baby killer).

                  The guy that shot up the church who wanted to kill liberals.

                  The holocaust museum shooter.

                  Yes, they may be psychotic, but it seems they are pushed over the edge by your friendly neighborhood radio/tv hatemongers.

                  But you just keep on apologizing for murder and mayhem.
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                  • Author by TheKidFromKountyMeath (August 10, 2009 1:45 pm ET)
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                    Don't forget the loser who shot those women in the Pittsburgh gym because he couldn't get laid; his blog contains ranting about Obama being anointed by the Librul Media and black men taking all the best white girls.
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                • Author by The_Cat (August 10, 2009 5:54 pm ET)
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                  The 'moral high ground' you are trying to capture and fight from is actually a castle in the air, puppienrainbows.
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            • Author by The_Cat (August 10, 2009 1:35 pm ET)
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              Nowhere did I say I fear what either of these men say. I will not call them gentlemen for they have not earned such distinction.

              You -should- fear what people do. Especially mobs of people who have been incited to riot. By words.
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              • Author by puppienrainbows (August 10, 2009 3:07 pm ET)
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                "words, just words". B. Obama.
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                • Author by The_Cat (August 10, 2009 5:31 pm ET)
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                  So, let me get this straight, pupppienrainbows. You are saying that words have no effect whatsoever, and no consequences can be attached to them?

                  Did you know it's illegal to yell 'fire' in a crowded theatre? Unless is really and truly on fire, of course. Are you not aware of the countless suits against tabloids for publishing untrue scandals about celebrities? Your own quote "words, just words" puts me in mind of The Road Warrior. Words that have such profound impact they can still be used to make a point almost 30 years later.

                  If you truly believe words have no power, what are you doing here?
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                  • Author by puppienrainbows (August 10, 2009 7:04 pm ET)
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                    I was quoting Barack Obama. It was he, in a rebuttal of criticism during the campaign, that uttered that immortal phrase while using a 'reverend style' delivery. Words are powerful things but they must be taken in their proper context. All too often, todays media uses 'snipets' to frame a story allowing a great deal of latitude to bend reality. We see it on the right and the left to diminish the other's integrity. In the case of Glenn Beck, most of what he does is parody and characature(sic) and that is why I was glib in my use of the phrase "lock and load".
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                • Author by Mark from Chicago (August 10, 2009 5:40 pm ET)
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                  Puppieinrainbows:
                  In your posts you seem to suggest that nobody really listens to the talking heads on the radio/TV and that if someone does it is because they are crazy, it is not the speaker's fault. that is, of course, the same argument that is used by people like O'Relly, after someone is shot, like Dr. Tiller. But think about it--billions and billions of dollars are spent each year on advertising, because it has been PROVEN that messages repeated over the TV and radio DOES influence behavior. People like O'Reilly, Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, et al become rich from those advertising dollars, and they KNOW that repeating a message oevr the TV and radio DOES influence behavior. Then when someone acts on their hate-filled rants, they profess surprise and ignorance that anyone's behavior would be influenced by the messages of hate that they beam out from their studios on a daily basis. So what can we, the (most of us anyway) rational citizenry, do about this? We cannot ask the government to make such speech illegal, because that would be a violation of the First Amendment. But we can, and must, decry the hate-filled rhetoric, and hope that the shouts of indignation might, just might, influence some media executives to say enough is enough. But for you, and others, to say that the constant repetition of irresponsible hate-speech on the radio and TV does not lead to some people taking actions is not only untrue, but the people that are making the hate-filled statements know full well it is not true. If it were, none of them would be making any money for yapping their garbage, because advertisers would not be paying all that money to advertise in the first place.
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          • Author by puppienrainbows (August 10, 2009 1:29 pm ET)
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            Obama has the bully pulpit. Beck, Limbaugh et al merely have a microphone and everyone who can read this has an on-off switch.
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            • Author by The_Cat (August 10, 2009 1:38 pm ET)
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              Yes, I have the choice whether or not to pay attention to both Beck and Limbaugh. I will continue to monitor their words and demonstrate their lies and smears as often as I can, puppienrainbows.

              They both dance very close to the line. At some point, if they continue, they will step over it. Treason, sedition, libel, slander, terrorism? It's a question of when, not if, though.

              My personal opinion is that, by a strict reading of the Patriot Act, Mr. Limbaugh is already a terrorist, to be quite frank.
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        • Author by mjh (August 10, 2009 3:31 pm ET)
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          "If you believe your last paragraph(I do), then why do you, and so many others, give a rat's patoot about what they say?" - puppiechasingrainbows


          Media Matters for America is a Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media.


          Seems at least once a month somebody has to be reminded of the above . . .


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          • Author by bilbo_dies (August 10, 2009 5:06 pm ET)
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            Seems at least once a month somebody has to be reminded of the above . . .

            I thought it was once a day, at least!
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          • Author by puppienrainbows (August 10, 2009 7:06 pm ET)
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            Am I in some kind of trouble? :)
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    • Author by NiceguyEddie (August 10, 2009 12:00 pm ET)
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      Palin/Bachman 2012! Can't hardly wait!
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      • Author by dmhack (August 10, 2009 12:12 pm ET)
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        Palin/Bachman in 2012. Hello dream ticket!

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        • Author by magnolialover (August 10, 2009 12:18 pm ET)
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          Talk about an easy second term election for Obama. He wouldn't even have to campaign.
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          • Author by NiceguyEddie (August 10, 2009 12:44 pm ET)
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            They'd still clean up in the Southest.
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            • Author by magnolialover (August 10, 2009 12:57 pm ET)
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              They didn't really in 2008.
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              • Author by NiceguyEddie (August 10, 2009 1:32 pm ET)
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                I don't know... 11 of 14 states as I count the Southest. I can't see more than 1 or 2 more changing. I also doubt Obama coould flip more than 1 or 2 of the 9 (out of 12) Mountain States he lost. Maybe he'd get Arizona, esp with McCain not on the ticket; and he could probably score Alaska, esp with Palin ON the ticket.
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          • Author by puppienrainbows (August 10, 2009 1:36 pm ET)
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            Especially with the economy going so well and with so few casualties in Afghanistan and with such a blockbuster response to the boy king's healthcare initiative. People were saying the same thing about Jimmy Carter as they waited in long lines to gas up and as they struggled to pay their 22% mortgage payments and as Iran held American hostages for 444 days. I guess you're just wishin' for the good ol' days, huh, magnolia?
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            • Author by funnymanpants (August 10, 2009 1:44 pm ET)
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              >>Especially with the economy going so well and with so few casualties in Afghanistan

              Bush can't run again. Sorry.
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            • Author by The_Cat (August 10, 2009 1:50 pm ET)
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              You may not be old enough to remember, puppienrainbows, but gas lines were in 1973-1975, which would be Nixon and Ford, not Carter.

              Home mortgage rates peaked in the early 80s right around 15% in the fixed rate market.

              The hostages in Iran were kept there because Reagan didn't want them released until -after- he had won election. Iran got a bunch of planes and missiles and guns for this. Don't you read at all?

              There is a blockbuster response to health coverage reform. Most of the naysayer are either on TV, or being bused from place to place to shout down debate on something that would ultimately end up helping them. These are the same fools who took time off of work to teabag endlessly about how unfair it was their boss got a 4% tax hike.
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              • Author by puppienrainbows (August 10, 2009 3:17 pm ET)
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                I'm 54 years old. I remember in 1979 getting up at 10:30 p.m. to try to find a station to put 3 gallons in my motorcycle so I could get to work the next day. I waited 20 min behind 6 cars and was 'directed' by the station owner. This was at 10:30 p.m. and 1979!!!!!!!!!. Don't you read at all? I lived through it!
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                • Author by The_Cat (August 10, 2009 5:26 pm ET)
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                  puppienrainbows? I not only read, I research. Here you go:

                  The 1973 oil crisis started on October 17, 1973, when the members of Organization of Arab Petroleum Exporting Countries or the OAPEC (consisting of the Arab members of OPEC plus Egypt and Syria) proclaimed an oil embargo "in response to the U.S. decision to re-supply the Israeli military during the Yom Kippur war."

                  The 1979 (or second) oil crisis in the United States occurred in the wake of the Iranian Revolution. Amid massive protests, the Shah of Iran, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, fled his country in early 1979, allowing the Ayatollah Khomeini to gain control.

                  It's as easy as wiki. By the way, wasn't the Shah of Iran our buddy? Well, Reagan's buddy at least? And, wasn't Nixon in charge in 1973? Maybe you're a little -too- old...
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                • Author by worrierking (August 11, 2009 8:06 am ET)
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                  I lived through it too. The difference being that I had a family though both of the major oil crises. I was able too understand the how and why of things and knew that Carter had nothing to do with the spike in oil prices.

                  And I was a home owner with a mortgage under both Nixon and Carter. The mortgage rates were at their highest point in history during the Reagan administration.

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            • Author by NiceguyEddie (August 10, 2009 2:12 pm ET)
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              Hmmm... you may not know this, but as of Firday the DOW was up 17.9%, the S&P up 25.5% and the Nasdaq up 38.8% since Obama took office. And that’s in just eight months... Not even a full year!

              As for Afganistan? That only back up what Obama's been saying form the start. It further drives home how complete the failure of Bush's foreign oliicy was.

              And as for the people's "blockbuster response to the boy king's healthcare initiative"? That's been due mainly to media misinformation, driven by the GOP, which the media is finally beinging to call out.

              The trends are not looking good for you guys. You've got nothing but "No." That's all you got: People who can't do ANYTHING. Goooooood luckwithat.
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              • Author by puppienrainbows (August 10, 2009 3:19 pm ET)
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                The stock market changed today? Wow, I guess the recession is over! Thanx 4 that.
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                • Author by NiceguyEddie (August 11, 2009 8:24 am ET)
                     
                  Hey, moron? If you read my post, or had done any of your own research, you'd have seen that it changed over an eight month period. And as the market tends to be a leading indicator, YES, that means the recession is ending. I guess you're one of those McCain voters who, as then candidate Obama brilliantly observed, "Takes pride in being ignorant."
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            • Author by dmhack (August 10, 2009 2:40 pm ET)
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              Wow, pup. Can't believe you brought up the Iran hostages. Remind us again what Reagan did to end that.

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            • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (August 10, 2009 2:47 pm ET)
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              That's lol funny, Puppies post is pretty much a transcript of the Rush show, right after his little psychoanalysis of other people as sheep.

              Why is this so difficult for wingnuts to understand? Yes, these balabbers are irrelevant in the context of real discussion of issues.

              These "few & far between" meltdowns and terrorist acts probably don't seem very trivial to the friends and families of those murdered by right wing nutjobs, but there's something more immediate, and widespread, that can be done by the simpletons who listen to, and believe, the right wing propagandists;

              Their vote is worth just as much as a sane persons, and they vote.

              BTW, P&R, is "Boy King" the latest under-the-radar slur for wingnuts who aren't quite committed enough to write n***r ?
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              • Author by puppienrainbows (August 10, 2009 8:26 pm ET)
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                It was and still is a common moniker when refering to King Tutenkhaman(sic). What I find noteworthy is that you and snoopy seem bound and determined to try to chide someone, anyone, into using the so called 'n' word. It seems like some kind of childish, titilating obsession worthy of an episode of 'leave it to beaver'.
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                • Author by puppienrainbows (August 10, 2009 8:30 pm ET)
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                  The remaining body of your post, Col., is the usual indignant blather we've all grown accustomed to.
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                  • Author by nativeofsf (August 11, 2009 3:00 am ET)
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                    It's Tutankhamun, pup--and you really need to check your blather for accuracy, to ward off that constrained myopia of yours.

                    For starters, a spell--checker really helps!
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                  • Author by mjh (August 11, 2009 3:10 am ET)
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                    When it comes to "indignant blather", I'm afraid that doesn't hold a candle to this:


                    "I've always had a special place in my heart for people like yourself. Your emotions and intellect wait at the starting line each day, wait for that starting gun to tell you when it's time to go and which way to run. You're unable to form opinions without the help of others, without a consensus to tell you that you are right or wrong, without some sort of back-up to prop up your beliefs. You lash out at ideas you don't understand and then turn to your 'guru' to explain them to you. You come from a generation of non-thinkers who rely on knee-jerk reactions and then spend days figuring out how to defend your position. But fear not, you will always have a place in my heart!"
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                • Author by mjh (August 11, 2009 3:18 am ET)
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                  It ["boy king"] was and still is a common moniker when refering to King Tutenkhaman(sic). - puppychasingrainbows

                  One slight problem: Tut was Egyptian.

                  Obama -- despite Lou Dobbs and the afterBirther's claims to the contrary -- isn't.

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              • Author by internet soldier (August 11, 2009 6:32 am ET)
                   
                Actually I googled "Tutankhamun, tutenbama", and the only result I got was post where I asked you if Tutankhamun was what "Tutenbama" was referring to. I see you took that explanation and ran with it. I'm starting to think that "Tutenbama" simply sounds just African and tribal enough to the wingnuts that it causes their synapses to fire pleasurably when using it to refer to Obama. Just a theory.
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        • Author by seeryer (August 10, 2009 12:52 pm ET)
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          I prefer Beck/Palin 2012. There campaign theme:
          Dumbest and Dumberer!!

          That is sure to get the conservatives out in droves. Nothing is quite as appealing as pure stupidity is to "real Americans".
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          • Author by Bronwyn (August 10, 2009 1:14 pm ET)
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            Stupidity? Rush said Palin is brilliant! Beck doesn't know what it is she is talking about or why she said it but says he believes it to be true. I guess, because they are both so darn smart.
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        • Author by The_Cat (August 10, 2009 5:58 pm ET)
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          What about Palin/Quayle? In a race for stoopids, it's the dream ticket. Think of all the fun they'll have judging spelling bees!
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    • Author by seeryer (August 10, 2009 12:01 pm ET)
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      That seals it. It must be false then. If Beck believes something, its a pretty good bet the opposite is true.
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    • Author by marco21 (August 10, 2009 12:13 pm ET)
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      I believe it to be true, even though it obviously isn't true at all.


      Welcome to modern conservatism folks. Smoke, mirrors and a generous helping of crazy.
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      • Author by magnolialover (August 10, 2009 12:19 pm ET)
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        And people got mad at Maher when he called America stupid. Case in point, Glenn Beck.
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    • Author by magnolialover (August 10, 2009 12:15 pm ET)
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      I used to believe in Santa Claus, and the Tooth Fairy as well Glenn. Doesn't mean you can't grow up and find out the truth.
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    • Author by congero6189599 (August 10, 2009 12:34 pm ET)
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      The thing that gets me is that the people who listen and believe Beck don't need proof of anything to support their hate. They are ideologicaly driven and react to certain words and symbols like Pavlovs dogs. I"ve seen it in certain conservative posters here who rant about "collectivism", and some secret Obama plan to subvert the constitution and turn this country into a Socialist Fascist Communist State! WTF!
      The people who I've seen show up at these townhalls to disrupt them shout about taking their country back,they bring bibles as if their movement is blessed by the almighty,and it seems that the more crackpot and cockanenny their rants the greater their support. They don't even care about healthcare to them this is about "government control of our lives." What?!?! It makes absolutley no sense,and no amount of facts will ever persuade them their wrong, and that they might actually benefit from reducing cost and improving quality of care. They have to be marginalized : http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/documents/2009/08/hcan-playbook-for-thwarting-town-hall-protesters.php?page=1
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    • Author by Indy (August 10, 2009 12:36 pm ET)
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      Next stop in right wing looneyville, and coming to a town hall meeting near you, "It's people, Soilent Green is made out of people". And you thought it was just a movie. Brought to you buy the New Sociopaths for a More Fearful Country.org.
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    • Author by bintx (August 10, 2009 12:48 pm ET)
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      Palin's even backed off of it . . . Beck and his ilk will be responsible if there is further increase in violence. They are playing with fire and they don't CARE as long as they get good ratings.
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    • Author by TheKidFromKountyMeath (August 10, 2009 1:14 pm ET)
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      Okay, Glenn? I'm Catholic. I believe Jesus died for my sins. I BELIEVE it, because it's not demonstrably true or false. When you say you "believe" something that Teh Google would expose as complete BS, you're not "believing", you're just "lying". To quote Dilbert, when did ignorance become a point of view?
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      • Author by Bronwyn (August 10, 2009 1:23 pm ET)
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        In other words, he is going to back any and every stupid thing she says.
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      • Author by edrossinoelwein9669 (August 10, 2009 9:48 pm ET)
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        "...when did ignorance become a point of view?"
        The day MMFA hit cyberspace.
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    • Author by paul8616 (August 10, 2009 1:29 pm ET)
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      Well, now we know why Palin resigned: So she could throw Molotov cocktails into the health care debate. She had less ability to do this as AK governor, but since she's free of the responsibility to serve the people of AK, she can now lie about policy.

      And since she's in the spotlight, people like Beck can draw out the discussion of Trigg's moment before the death panel.

      The right-wing noise machine in action, folks.
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      • Author by mjh (August 10, 2009 4:04 pm ET)
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        "Well, now we know why Palin resigned: So she could throw Molotov cocktails into the health care debate. She had less ability to do this as AK governor, but since she's free of the responsibility to serve the people of AK, she can now lie about policy." - paul8616

        Just like when Shooter Cheney did the talk-show circuit saying Obama was making the country "less safe" the moment he left office . . .

        Its enough to make you almost wish these lying Rethugs would stay in office.

        Almost.
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    • Author by twseattle (August 10, 2009 1:36 pm ET)
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      If I miss my appointment at the 'death panel', do I get to live longer? Will my lifetime of procrastinating finally have a positive outcome?
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      • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (August 10, 2009 2:58 pm ET)
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        Grandmas and Babies Exterminated by Obama "Health" Care Plan

        That is (No kidding) the subject line of an email I got yesterday from my source for right wing looniness, Human Events. It's from one of their advertisers, The Pray in Jesus' Name Project, and writers for HE include mainstream Republicans (and FauxNooz mainstays) Newt G., Ann C., Ted Nugent, Huckabee and Chucccck Norris.

        I couldn't find a direct link to the PIJNP, or this item at HE, so I've linked above to another site that has the "article".

        These are the people screaming at town hall meetings, and this is where they're getting their info.

        And they're the same people describing attempts to respond to this type of insane propaganda as "Nazi snitch sites".

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        • Author by Indy (August 10, 2009 3:32 pm ET)
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          This is the best counter to all the death panel talk I've seen yet.

          "We already have a death panel. You can't pay your bills you go home and die."
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        • Author by twseattle (August 10, 2009 4:37 pm ET)
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          Isn't it amazing Colonel, these paople have some intelligence and this is what they use it for, spreading the basest lies designed to play on fears of 'the others'.

          BTW you were right the other day, even if saying so got you flagged.
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          • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (August 10, 2009 4:42 pm ET)
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            I got flagged? For what?
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            • Author by twseattle (August 10, 2009 4:49 pm ET)
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              You used a "female' anatomical reference. Someone must have flagged it because it sat for half a day meaning it got past the automatic filter.
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              • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (August 10, 2009 5:34 pm ET)
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                Oh that,I was referring to Republicans as fluffy kittens, I'm sorry if somebody misinterpreted it.I didn't know it had been flagged.
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                • Author by twseattle (August 10, 2009 7:17 pm ET)
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                  Bummed me out when it disappeared.
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                • Author by worrierking (August 11, 2009 8:12 am ET)
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                  I just want you to know i had nothing to do with it.

                  My shouting tubes are in the shop for their 3000 shout check-up.
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      • Author by mjh (August 10, 2009 4:24 pm ET)
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        "If I miss my appointment at the 'death panel', do I get to live longer? Will my lifetime of procrastinating finally have a positive outcome?" - twseattle

        Perhaps -- but, eventually, you'll have to hear someone talk about their dog . . .
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        • Author by twseattle (August 10, 2009 4:42 pm ET)
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          Not as long as I can go in my own car.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoBTsMJ4jNk
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    • Author by New2politics (August 10, 2009 4:12 pm ET)
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      Doesn't Fox care about their country? To allow these lies and stir-up the unbalanced, I just don't understand it.
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    • Author by carlo1993 (August 10, 2009 4:44 pm ET)
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      Ginning up the spectre of euthanasia is something that we knew the right would do come crunch-time, and we knew this would happen for a long time. I am disappointed that the DNC, the consumer lobby, the unions, and the Congressional Democrats have not any better, more organized response to it. The conservatives and the Health industry companies are setting up old people on Medicare (I'm in the lifeboat, so you can swim! too bad!) against everyone else, and they have succeeded in
      dictating the terms of the debate. Progressives are
      losing this fight.
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    • Author by carlo1993 (August 10, 2009 10:43 pm ET)
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      Please, please GOP, run Sarah for president in 2012.
      And for her running-mate, Joe the Plumber!
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    • Author by mjh (August 11, 2009 12:47 pm ET)
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      Beck says of Palin's "death panel" claims: "I believe it to be true"


      One brain-dead wingnut believing what another brain-dead wingnut spouts out.

      BIIIIIIIIIIG surprise . . .
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