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Limbaugh: "Let's go back and compare [pay czar] to Nazi Germany"; "Hitler had a labor czar"

August 10, 2009 3:03 pm ET

From the August 10th edition of Premiere Radio Networks' Rush Limbaugh:

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    • Author by magnolialover (August 10, 2009 3:05 pm ET)
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      Bush had just as many "czars" as Obama has.

      And I thought the populist rage about big companies spending tax payer money willy nilly was a sticking point for you guys? Or do you think the government shouldn't watch over our billions of dollars we lent out? I forget which position you take on a daily basis Rush.
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      • Author by NiceguyEddie (August 10, 2009 3:07 pm ET)
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        He doesn't know WHAT they hate, at least on a princcipled level. All they know is Obama HAS TO BE WRONG. Even when he does THE SAME EFFING THING that they did. (And yet it was still right when they did it and still wrong now.)
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        • Author by NiceguyEddie (August 10, 2009 3:09 pm ET)
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          He also doesn't get the fundamental idea that a[n exectuive] PAY CZAR would be an inherently Left Wing concept, while a LABOR CZAR would be an inherently RIGHT WING concept. One keeps managemant in line while the other keeps labor in line. Only someone stupid enough to think that HITLER WAS A LEFTIST could be stupid enough to confuse these two points. It's amazaing, the man undoes years of education just be opening his mouth.
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      • Author by markbfoot199 (August 10, 2009 3:19 pm ET)
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        Mags, could you please show us whom these CZAR's that Bush hired, the reported directly to him? I would really like to see the list.
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        • Author by magnolialover (August 10, 2009 3:24 pm ET)
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          I've made a list before, and I won't get them all, but here goes:

          WMD Czar
          War Czar
          Drug Czar
          Cybersecurity Czar
          Katrina Czar
          AIDS Czar
          Faith Based Czar
          Bird Flu Czar
          Manufacturing Czar
          Copyright Czar
          Intelligence Czar
          9/11 Czar
          TARP Czar
          Domestic Policy Czar
          Regulatory Czar
          Health IT Czar
          Abstinence Czar
          Mine Safety Czar
          Latin American Czar
          WTO Health Czar
          Corruption Czar
          Health Czar

          And so on, and so forth.
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          • Author by markbfoot199 (August 10, 2009 3:31 pm ET)
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            I see you have made up possible Czar names, but do not see the individuals that were appointed to those roles. Unlike Obama who lists names and salaries. SO until I see such a list, you are just making up titles.
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            • Author by juliajayne1 (August 10, 2009 4:03 pm ET)
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              Here's a few. I don't have the whole list, but czars are nothing new. And I make no claims as to the accuracy - just googling here.

              Donald E. Powell.
              Bush’s Czar to Rebuild Gulf Coast (i.e. Katrina Czar)

              John P. Walters.
              Bush's Drug Czar

              Karen Hughes.
              Bush's Public Diplomacy Czar

              Lt. Gen. Douglas Lute.
              Bush's 'War Czar'

              Randall Tobias.
              Bush's AIDS Czar

              Dr. Mark Dybul.
              Bush's other AIDS Czar

              Richard Stickler.
              Bush's Mine Safety Czar

              John Negroponte.
              Bush's Intelligence Czar

              Otto Reich.
              Bush's Latin America czar

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              • Author by worrierking (August 10, 2009 4:16 pm ET)
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                • Author by juliajayne1 (August 10, 2009 6:16 pm ET)
                     
                  Sorry, sir. I was erstwhile ocupied with my handsome Masshole and couldn't give due diligence to troll sightings.

                  He says "Hi", btw ;-)
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              • Author by markbfoot199 (August 10, 2009 4:37 pm ET)
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                Good Try - As you will Read below, each of these position were either confirmed by the Senate or was appointed in a recess which means a limitation on terms. I would like to see the list of Czar "What Obama calls them" when they were appointed and confirmed.
                None of the positions below were given the term "Czar", the press may have called it a czar or nicknamed, but not the title.

                Donald E. Powell - was the head of the FDIC, a position that has been around since 1933 - Presidential Nomination: Donald E. Powell: Chair, Board of Directors, Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation: appointed April 18, 2001; nomination sent to Senate May 22, 2002; confirmed by Senate July 12, 2001. So he was already in a job that was confirmed by the Senate

                John P. Waters - The office of Director of National Drug Control Policy (a former cabinet level) is colloquially known as the "Drug Czar", a term first used in the media by then-Senator Joe Biden in October 1982 - again must be confirmed by the Senate

                Karen Hughes On March 14, 2005, Bush announced his intention to nominate Hughes for the undersecretary of state for public diplomacy with the rank of ambassador — a job focused on changing foreigners' perceptions about America. The Senate confirmed her nomination in July 2005

                Lt. Gen Douglas Lute - On June 28, 2007, the Senate confirmed Lute to serve as the Deputy National Security Advisor also known as the "War Czar"

                Randall Tobias - President George W. Bush nominated Tobias to be the first United States Global AIDS Coordinator on July 2, 2003. He was confirmed by the U.S. Senate on October 3, 2003, and sworn in on October 6, 2003

                Richard E. Stickler - has been the acting Assistant Secretary of Labor for the Mine Safety and Health Administration (MSHA) since October 16, 2006. Despite resistance from the Senate, and with the nomination being returned twice to his desk unaffirmed, President Bush later appointed Stickler as a recess appointment in October 2006

                John Negroponte - On February 17, 2005, President George W. Bush named Negroponte as the first Director of National Intelligence, (DNI), a cabinet-level position charged with coordinating the nation’s Intelligence Community [10]. On April 21, 2005, Negroponte was confirmed by a vote of 98 to 2 in the Senate,

                Otto Reich was appointed Assistant Secretary of State for the Western Hemisphere in January 2002, and served under a recess appointment. In 2003, Bush then appointed him US Special Envoy to the Western Hemisphere
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                • Author by foghornleghorn (August 10, 2009 5:59 pm ET)
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                  Karen Hughes - paid liar.

                  John Negroponte - allowed death squads to operate in Central America.
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    • Author by markbfoot199 (August 10, 2009 3:18 pm ET)
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      How many Czar did past presidents have? What gives this Administration any right to tell a public company what they can and can not pay their employees? and by the way who interviewed these CZAR's? What are they making? Who gets to have input on their pay?
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      • Author by wookie (August 10, 2009 3:28 pm ET)
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        Reagan had a drug czar, William Bennett.

        >>Bennett is a staunch supporter of the War on Drugs and has been criticized for his views on the issue. On a television show, he said that a viewer's suggestion of beheading drug dealers would be "morally plausible." [3]

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Bennett
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        • Author by magnolialover (August 10, 2009 3:31 pm ET)
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          There have been plenty over the years, the republicans just figured this out when Obama took office of course, ignoring all of the Czars that W had, and making pretend like this was something new that was sprung on the American people.

          Reminds me of their teleprompter tirades. It seems like when they were talking about those, this was a whole new technology, never before seen!

          Same thing for the Czars. They didn't have any issues with Bushie's cadre, but now that Obama is office. Dang it, they want ANSWERS!!
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          • Author by shaggles (August 10, 2009 3:39 pm ET)
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            Because he's a commie and Czar is a Russian word so that proves it!
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            • Author by markbfoot199 (August 10, 2009 4:43 pm ET)
                 
              Originally, the title Czar (derived from Caesar) meant Emperor in the European medieval sense of the term, that is, a ruler who claims the same rank as a Roman emperor, with the approval of another emperor or a supreme ecclesiastical official (the Pope or the Ecumenical Patriarch).
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          • Author by mjh (August 10, 2009 4:46 pm ET)
               
            "There have been plenty over the years, the republicans just figured this out when Obama took office of course, ignoring all of the Czars that W had, and making pretend like this was something new that was sprung on the American people."


            Exactly, Mag.

            Hell, the very FIRST time the term "czar" was applied publicly to refer to a presidential appointee was during . . . the Nixon administration [Energy Czar William Simon] -- and during the Cold War, no less . . .
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            • Author by markbfoot199 (August 10, 2009 4:56 pm ET)
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              Again, these individuals were approved by the Senate, Obama's have not, that is the concern here.
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              • Author by juliajayne1 (August 10, 2009 6:18 pm ET)
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                You know, lad. I somehow doubt that's your concern. Just sayin'.
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      • Author by magnolialover (August 10, 2009 3:29 pm ET)
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        This government, our government, can tell them what to do, and what not to do, because we just gave them billions of dollars. We're not telling them how to run their businesses, we're telling them that huge payouts to their executives is above the pale in these days, and if they want to do that, fine, just give us back all of the money we just gave you. This is about the executive pay guidelines that these companies signed up for, when they took our money in the TARP.

        Nixon started this, and every administration since then has had any number of Czars that have worked for every President on down the line.

        I would assume Obama interviewed his Czars, or his senior staff did, and brought him recommendations, same as for W, same as for Clinton, same as for GHW, same as for Reagan, and so on.

        I don't know what they make.
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        • Author by markbfoot199 (August 10, 2009 4:45 pm ET)
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          In the past these types of positions needed Senate confirmation, Obama has bypassed this process.
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          • Author by mjh (August 10, 2009 4:57 pm ET)
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            "In the past these types of positions needed Senate confirmation, Obama has bypassed this process." markfootinmouth

            WRONG AGAIN . . .
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            • Author by markbfoot199 (August 10, 2009 4:59 pm ET)
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              No I am not, I gave you example above, so if wrong, prove. I haev proven my case above.
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            • Author by markbfoot199 (August 10, 2009 5:02 pm ET)
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              I looked at your list, it seems the Senate Confirmations stopped around hmmm 2009
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              • Author by mjh (August 11, 2009 2:50 am ET)
                   
                "I looked at your list, it seems the Senate Confirmations stopped around hmmm 2009" - markbfootinmouth


                Lemme guess -- you didn't look too hard, did you?

                Randall Tobias
                AIDS czar
                Appointed by Pres.
                2003

                Scott Evertz
                AIDS czar
                Appointed by Pres.
                2001

                Carol Thompson
                AIDS czar
                Appointed by Pres.
                2004

                Drug Czar
                Gil Kerlikowske
                Appointed by Pres.
                1982

                Regulatory Czar
                Susan Dudley
                Appointed by Pres.
                2007

                Terrorism Czar
                John O. Brennan
                Appointed by Pres.
                2004

                Bank Bailout Czar
                Neel Kashkari
                Appointed by Pres.
                2008
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      • Author by NiceguyEddie (August 10, 2009 3:33 pm ET)
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        What gives this Administration any right to tell a public company what they can and can not pay their employees?

        Ummm... becuase these comapnies are being bailed out by the taxpayer, and the gov't OWNS a large share of these comapnies?

        and by the way who interviewed these CZAR's? What are they making? Who gets to have input on their pay?

        The administration appoints these people the same was ALL political appointees are handled. Don't like it? Vote for the other guy. (And we'll see if you complain as much about HIS czars.)

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        • Author by markbfoot199 (August 10, 2009 4:43 pm ET)
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          Just becase they took a loan does not give them control interest in pay. That would be like saying the bank that gave you a mortgage can control your pay as well. Sorry, does not happen in America.

          No, in the past these individuals had a confirmation hearing in front of the Senate, the 42 that Obama has have not had confirmation hearings.
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          • Author by wookie (August 10, 2009 4:54 pm ET)
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            The mortgage has nothing to with your income, they aren't lending to your boss. The bailout does involve how the companies spend it on their expenses.
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            • Author by markbfoot199 (August 10, 2009 4:57 pm ET)
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              No, the bail out was a loan. A loan to help the banks from Failing.
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          • Author by NiceguyEddie (August 11, 2009 10:03 am ET)
               
            They were more than "just loans." In making those payments, the gov't took a large share of OWNERSHIP in some of these banks. (They bought stock, in many cases.) And ANYONE who owns stock in a company has a say in how it's run. I suppose you'd have rather just GIVEN them money for nothing?
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      • Author by worrierking (August 10, 2009 4:25 pm ET)
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        Where were you when the right was trying to dictate the wages received by hourly auto workers?
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      • Author by marco21 (August 10, 2009 4:32 pm ET)
           
        LOL. Nice goal post moving there, mark.
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    • Author by mjh (August 10, 2009 3:19 pm ET)
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      "Hitler had a labor czar"

      You sure about that, Limpy?

      After all, the Czars were a Russian invention -- and I believe the Nazis fought against Russia . . .
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      • Author by dmhack (August 10, 2009 3:44 pm ET)
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        You sure, mjh?
        It's not like the Great Gasbag to be wrong about anything. If he says Hitler had a labor czar, then maybe he did. I'm sure the fat man didn't just pull that out of his nether regions.

        He's actually quite the historian. Until today I never knew that the Nazi rise to power was the result of Bismarck's health care plan. I mean, that's amazing. I took history and not once did they ever mention health care as one of the reasons the Nazis took over Germany.
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      • Author by NiceguyEddie (August 10, 2009 4:15 pm ET)
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        The hilarious thing is that even if he's right (and it's likely he's not, I think you are!) But even if he's right the comparison still falls apart.

        This is becuase the fundamental idea that a[n exectuive] PAY CZAR would be an inherently Left Wing concept, while a LABOR CZAR would be an inherently RIGHT WING concept. One keeps managemant in line while the other keeps labor in line. Only someone stupid enough to think that HITLER WAS A LEFTIST could be stupid enough to confuse these two points.

        So... He can't even LIE in a way that makes any damned sense. I don't know how anyone can't see what an idiot this guy is. I can't believe ANYONE, EVER thought he ever had anythign of value to say. He's an out-and-out liar and he's not even that good at it!
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    • Author by fantagor (August 10, 2009 4:20 pm ET)
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      I think we can all agree that the term "czar" has to go. I mean, as long as we are dabbling in pejorative terms for government positions, what's wrong with "tyrant"? Drug Tyrant, Labor Tyrant, War Tyrant and so on.

      I say go for broke on giving people the willies whenever the government is mentioned on TV. Maybe they'll pay attention when the whereabouts of the AIDS Tyrant is announced.

      Randy
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      • Author by markbfoot199 (August 10, 2009 4:58 pm ET)
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        How about Obama have these individual confirmed by the Senate.
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        • Author by foghornleghorn (August 10, 2009 5:37 pm ET)
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          OK - let's do it. It'll take about 5 minutes.

          All senators in favor say "aye". The ayes have it.

          Satisfied?

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    • Author by markbfoot199 (August 10, 2009 4:55 pm ET)
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      This sounds fimiliar.

      His strategy was based on a simple principle: to obtain the support of powerful and influential elements in the army, industry and finance and to buttress that with support among the masses. He addressed himself first to the middle classes, ruined by inflation, and managed to obtain some assistance from elements among the workers disappointed in the revolution.

      To the middle classes he promised relief from what he called the tyranny of big business, particularly the department stores, with which small tradesmen found it difficult to compete. He promised them that when in power he would dissolve the department stores and abolish all interest. To the workers he promised dissolution of the trusts. Neither of these promises was kept.

      Added to his economic program, designed to appeal to the ruined middle-class elements, he put forward his slogans of extreme nationalism and racism--the union of all Germans on the basis of self-determination in a greater Germany. It was not until 1928 that he came forward with a program for the farmers, who had become rich during the war on high prices resulting from the blockade. In 1932, when mass unemployment assumed unprecedented proportions in Germany, he promised work for all the unemployed.
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    • Author by candelman43976 (August 10, 2009 5:26 pm ET)
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      If Rush had ever read "Behemoth" the classic analysis of the
      Nazi state by Franz Neuman, published in 1942, it would be clear even to him the Nazi Germany was a corpatist state where unions were verboten, workers had to toil long hours, and the scions of the major industrial families like the Krupps made more money then ever. The might of the Army and the Party served this Corporatist structure. I also thought that anyone who had taken a World History 101 course, knew that the Nazis pretence of being a socialist party died when Ernst Roehm took a bullet to the head.
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    • Author by dmp079 (August 10, 2009 8:10 pm ET)
         
      First off why he still calling Natzi Germany Socialist?? Natzis were faccist, and by the way had a decent economic time during the thirties even though they used it to take over most of Europe. I will say people were employed if they were true germans and Germany did not have any trouble. Second, the United States way has other regulators to control businesses that does not have to have senate confirmation. UMMM! The BBB and the Dept of Labor! Learn before you speak!
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