"[T]elling" us "what the nationalized health care is going to do," O'Reilly says: "If she's 84 -- outta here!"
August 10, 2009 9:45 pm ET
From the August 10 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor:
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Can't do that Snoopy... or BillO and the Fox Comedy Channel loses more than 70% of their viewership!
Your argument is what has failed.
How much DOES Faux News pay you, by the way?
You obviously are just a dimocrat parrot who comments without knowing anything about what you are commenting on. it is clear you did not even view the story that was posted by me in this link.
Wingnut position on health care:
1. No insurance: no right to any care
2. Private insurance: right to have coverage denied in order to increase company profits
3. Government insurance: God-given, inalienable right to consume as much disproven, ineffective, repetitive health care at taxpayers' expense as your little heart desires.
Your argument is what has failed....once again.
I think you fell off of your dirt bike once too often, get that head checked out.
That means all of the money that the federal government feeds to the state would go to a central fund which includes, "(a) Medicare funds under Title XVIII of the Social Security Act; (b) Medicaid funds under Title XIX of the Social Security Act; (c) General Fund moneys that would otherwise be spent in the Medicaid program; and (d) The value of state tax expenditures for employer-sponsored health insurance coverage."
There is NO reason for insurance . . . insurance is just a glorified lottery. That's why insurance is fighting this so hard . . . it's not just the grotesquely profitable health care industry which would be impacted with some sort of nationalized health care but all forms of insurance . . . no need for liability insurance if the victims can get free or very reasonable health care, no need for liability coverage on homeowner's insurance, no need for workers' compensation insurance . . . self-preservation of an unnecessary business.
You're being generous. It's a complete and utter sham.
But I would love to hear you explain how you can compare insurance with a lottery. What are the similarities? Perhaps you just do not understand the concept of shared risk. Have you or anyone in your family ever submitted an insurance claim? If someone damages your car and leaves without making restitution, should it be your responsibility to pay for? If your home is destroyed by a tornado, should it be your responsibility to pay for?
Please elaborate on your theory, I am sure many would be interested in your wisdom.
I have worked in insurance defense litigation for 24 years. I'm very aware of how insurance claims work and how they don't work. I have had to deal with many more insurance claims in the past 24 years than you could ever imagine.
If you knew what you were talking about you would understand that property damages are separate from personal injury with regard to insurance policies and, since we were speaking of HEALTH CARE, I assumed that you would understand that I was speaking of the bodily injury portions of the insurance policies. I was wrong to assume.
I will say again, someone who gets their information from Bill O'Reilly and believes that they are getting truth isn't very bright . . . you've been proving it on this thread.
FAIL is also able to explain Oregon's health care system to residents of Oregon because he read an article !
And, maybe most spectacularly Fail-y, he's been reduced to mentioning;
Free communes and Kum-Bay-Ya
Fox's ratings, and
The theory that MMFA highlighting this item on the non-newsworthy, back burner issue of health care reform, rather than Rather, is indisputable proof that everything else BilldO said on his show is true.
Spectacular FAIL, even by wingnut troll standards.
What a freakin' putz!
And there were no insurance companies involved, it was the state of Oregon admisistering a plan like most of you would prefer. A plan that allowed this woman to die rather than pay for the drugs she needed. A type of plan that the Gloden Boy has aspired to in the past and that he will probably try in put in place sooner or later.
Here is something to watch and consider,
http://sayanythingblog.com/mobile/entry/oregon_health_care_system_rejects_womans_request_for_chemo_therapy_offers_t/
It is also interesting to see what topics MMFA picks to highlight, O'Reilly took apart CNN, MSNBC. NBC, HNN, Dan Rather and Howard Dean all in one show. Apparently MMFA realizes that everything O'Reilly said about these news networks and individuals is true because they did not point out any misinformation about any of it. A noble outfit like MMFA would not ignore any misinformation if it existed.
It is actually humorous watching the dems self distruct, I thought it would take longer. Enjoy it while you can ladies, 2010 is coming.
So by not correcting him , it is a tacit admission that he is correct.
Yeah, when you are wrong say something really stupid. Great strategy. Why didn't they correct him when he showed that Howard Dean was lying about Sarah Palin. Intead they let it stand.
Why didn't they correct him when he and Bernie Goldberg showed why Fox kicks the butt off of all the other networks. Every night, night after night. Don't you think the losers here at MMFA would delight in challenging O'Reilly on issues like that.
Why didn't they correct Goldberg when he showed that Rather was a dishonest and incompetant journalist, nope they let that stand too.
I guess those items just do not fall into the realm of conservative misinformation. They are actual facts.
And you just respond with an equally incompetant reply.
Billy lies every night - there just isn't time or space to cover all of his bloviating. Wow , what a great intellectual reply, you sure showed me.
"Fox kicks the butt off of all the other networks" really mean. Is it about viewership and ad revenues? How very capitialistic of you. That is just swell. That makes Fox the bestest.
And where did Dean lie about Palin?
Please answer then we can go on all night about the lies of that ass-kickin' Fox channel. But why waste time.
Why is it that conservatives always try to use that "let others do your thinking" line on liberals - when everyone knows that there are more educated liberals than educated conservatives?
Doesn't it strike you as a really bad way to attempt to make a point? It just emphasizes the weakness of your position.
It isn't elitism - it is a mere recitation of the facts. Red states are consistently near the bottom of the national school report cards. there are more liberals with college degrees.
do you really believe that education is a bad thing? because that is what you seem to imply when you say that educated people are elitist.
The Democratic Party also has a higher percentage of people who don't have college degrees. lol. Because there just aren't that many Republicans anymore.
The difference is that the Democrats without college degrees are still smart enough to avoid the Party of the Pup Tent.
Yes, that is what "fair"-liberal and her ilk believe. Anti-intellectualism at its worst. This is why the Republican party is in the mess it is in and it is not getting any better. Informed is for the elite.
You see, Fair, real thinkers look a little deeper. But, we have seen that Billy doesn't do math - so I wouldn't expect you to, either.
And as for Sarah Palin - her lies are pretty much yesterday's news. I expect MMfA just really has gotten tired of covering her BS.
It's okay, though, you just go ahead and live on the margin. just hold tight, you might spin right off the face of the Earth out there.
Another brilliant reply, they don't cover O'Reilly's lies because they are too numerous, and Sarah Palin is yesterdays news.
The left is clearly afraid of Palin, that is for certain. I am reminded of the scene in the Godfather when Michael is discussing the Cuban rebels with Hyman Roth, and Roth asks Michael what he thinks of them and MC replies that they could win. The left knows that she is a threat to them and are afraid of her. Just like MC was afraid of the rebels. They could win.
Palin needs to stick around - she makes John Stewart's job so much easier.
I know critical thinking is a new experience for you, but maybe you can explain that.
Jon & Kate plus 8 kicks the butt off of Fox every time it shows. Fox's night-time audience is just over 2 million people. The three broadcast network's 1/2 hour nightly news programs have a combined audience that is 10 times that of Fox's entire prime-time lineup . . . just a little perspective for you.
Ratings do not equate quality, you know.
First, the word is incompetent.
Second, you are aware that Goldberg has been shown to be a dishonest and incompetent journalist himself. He is guilty of truncating and editing actually transcripts of interviews in order to make them say what he wants them to say a la Hannity. The most recent occurrence was in his latest book.
Think you need to have a more honest "hero."
Thank God that the Insurance Companies never turn anyone down and they are not concerned about profits.
BarelyFair, You haven't gotten the memo that all Democrats get. The death panel isn't JUST for seniors. There is a sceond panel for all Cons....Cons will be given three minutes to speak and if they can go three minutes without a Limbaugh, etc. reference or a Talking Point, they get to live. It looks like you may survive but then when MMFA forwards your posts to the White House, you are over.
And, assisted suicide is not legal in all 50 states, so it is not a part of any national program, nor will it ever be - it wouldn't fly, politically.
Lastly, she got the damn drug. Oregon didn't say she couldn't have it - only that they would not pay for an unproven, experimental drug. For all you know, it killed her faster.
Thanx for the rest of the story.
Stuff like these FACTS you produce usually scares the UnfairScribbler away. Fair, I say what R and R says.
Now go look up something concerning the Civil war and enter that into the discussion. Maybe something along the lines as why they chose Blue and Grey.
Wrong..this is what they are trying to correct. Using your logic, Oregon and the Ins Co's both do the wrong things so why should anything change. That is why it is called REFORM.
Fair, why are you so afraid so Reforming Health Insurance? Maybe if a change was made 15 years ago, this woman and many others would be alive. Your entire arguement proves reform is necessay, even Oregons' Thank You, you've made it any early night.
Profits for Insurance Companies rose from $2.4 billion in 2000 to $12.4 billion in the next 6-8 years? Somebody is cutting back services and/or raising prices somewhere. OKAY, break out the Fre Market song and dance.
Why are Cons so afraid of Doing Something Better.
Oregon didn't say she couldn't have it, just that they wouldn't pay for it. Substitute Blue Cross for Oregon and I wonder if your opinion would be different.
And this drug was approved in 2005 by the FDA so it has been around for a while. And for all you know it extended her life and perhaps if Oregon had not denied her the medication initially she would have lived longer. As anyone who has ever had to deal with cancer or known someone with cancer , early detection and treatment are crucial.
The fact is that any system is going to make some unpopular decisions that some will disagree with and injustices will occur. Economics dictate that, be it Ins co's or a gov't plan. At least with an ins co there is a contractual obligation and the ability to sue. With Big Brother you are sh$t out of luck, they will be immune to lawsuits. Better start picking out a coffin if you get sick.
Is any of this clear to you , tool.
Did you listen to the report? The insurance company gave it to her as charity. She wasn't covered by any insurance company. It was a donation, you ignorant twit.
Here is the problem with your entire arguement: you don't trust the government. Conservatives don't trust the government. See, the founding fathers set up a representative democracy so that we could vote the bums out every 2 to 6 years. But conservatives don't trust the government that our founders set up - so they fear everything the government does.
Conservatives like to think they are patriotic, but they don't trust their own country. They don't really believe it is a good system. Canadians have better health care AND they like it better - and their government runs it. I guess they just have a better government, right?
Why do you hate America?
Oh, and tool, why wasn't she on Medicare?
See, you want to believe old Billy's tale of woe, but it is flawed from the very start. The woman would have been on Medicare - not Oregon Health. Billy is a liar, dude. But you bought the whole thing.
Tool.
http://sayanythingblog.com/mobile/entry/oregon_health_care_system_rejects_womans_request_for_chemo
the truth is that Oregon's system is run using the very same actuarial charts as private insurance, and using the same standards for drug coverage as private insurers.
That is not even remotely comparable to any of the plans that are being put forward. In the House plan, a panel of doctors will determine standards of care.
This is a sad story, but it is matched by thousands of sad stories that result from private-sector insurers. Billy doesn't have the intellectual depth or honesty to say that, or to admit that comparing the Oregon system to the proposals is comparing apples to carrots.
And what would have been the odds of a gravely ill 84-year old seeing such a lawsuit to any resolution, let alone a successful one? How is this better than a public-supported insurance?
Speculation, motivated by ideological bias.
I can't help but wonder about a person who comes over here to lecture us on what we should be thinking day after day. Your approach lacks intellectual integrity and any semblance of personal warmth. Do you imagine you've persuaded anyone, or impressed anyone?
And maybe when she decided that enough was enough and went home to die with her family , friends and pets, the insurance company did breathe a sigh of relief. But they spent millions making her life as good as it could possibly be under the circumstances. She got everything she needed as far as I know.
And you know all the while this was happening that lousy company had the nerve to be profitable. Shame on them.
One thing I would ask you is how would Obamacare have helped your granndmother? The same decisions would have been made. This Oregon case shows what a state run plan will be like.
And you ask me why do I hate America when you are the one expressing disatisfaction with America. You want to make fundamental changes to a country that people risk their lives to get into. A country that has proven time and time again that it is the best and strongest on the planet. A country that has done more good than any other in the history of our planet. But you want it to change, you don't like the nature of our country.
You are right about one thing , reform is necessary , but this current dimocratic plan is an Obamination. It will only make things worse.
Interesting - never heard anyone from the right argue that there should be MORE lawsuits. I actually think tort reform is something that needs to be a part of healthcare reform. Interesting to hear that "fair"-liberal thinks there should be more lawsuits of insurance companies. Not sure your hero - the insurance company - would agree with you.
But you are right about tort reform.
That was obvious from the last two elections.
Fairliberal is basically asking "Do you still hit your wife? Now you better answer yes or no." So before you try to answer his question logically, just remember the simple fact you aren't married. MMFA doesn't need to report Bill O'Reilly if he ever speaks a word of truth, because O'Reilly is a liar. It'd be like a newspaper reporting everyone a serial killer met in his life, but doesn't kill? In fact, by the mere act of association, any truth that comes out of his mouth is a lie. Same goes for the rest of that dirty bunch.
Didn't see O'Reilly last night, but this story smells.
Billo is an UNINFORMED, LIAR . .
Do Billo and his lemmings know that a LIVING WILL supercedes physician and/or family wishes?
Does fox have an investigative legal division or are they just too busy fending off sexual harrassment lawsuits??