Kilmeade claims Pelosi called "average Americans who show up at town halls un-American"
He later asks if Messina's reported comments about "punch[ing] back twice as hard" was "playing to some of the violence that we're seeing at these events"
August 11, 2009 8:11 am ET
From the August 11 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends:
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A republic is a form of democracy, namely a representative one. You may be thinking of "direct" or "pure" democracy.
I remember when "spin" used to mean twisting the analysis of the facts to fit your rhetoric. We're in an age now where they don't even bother with the facts any more.
Source: The FactCheck Wire
Do you ever get sick of looking the part of the fool?
No. The link is meant to provide context for Pelosi's comments; she wasn't accusing people of being neo-Nazis, but showing that they were doing it themselves. That's what the statement "It is clear from the images in hand that the anti-Obama protesters were the ones accusing others of Nazi-like tendencies. And Pelosi turns out to be right." means.
Your reading comprehension doesn't change that fact.
Rep. Scott’s office vandalized with four-foot swastika.
And how does a reported comment made to Senators have any bearing on anyone's actions? It wasn't a public statement. If it wasn't reported, then nobody besides the Senators would have heard it. But right-wingers are acting as if it was said with the intent of escalating violence or something.
Also, I don't accept the premise to the state of the meaning of "Hit back twice as hard." I think the Republicans and Fox are projecting a bit there. I think they are referring to not just the townhall mobs, but more specifically the lies being perpetrated by the right.
1. Death Panels
2. Euthanize the elderly
3. Millions of Americans losing their insurance
4. Obama-care
5. Nazi comparisons
There's more, but it's early and I can't remember them all, but Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow called them out last night quite well.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20090806/pl_politico/25891
"They showed video clips of the confrontational town halls that have dominated the media coverage, and told senators to do more prep work than usual for their public meetings by making sure their own supporters turn out, senators and aides said.
And they screened TV ads and reviewed the various campaigns by critics of the Democratic plan.
“If you get hit, we will punch back twice as hard,” Messina said, according to an official who attended the meeting.
The hourlong session was the last opportunity for Democratic leaders and the White House to prepare senators for what will be a crucial month in shaping public opinion on health care."
Here is an article from Yahoo! news, both the link and the quote. As you can see, what Messina actually said was 'punch back twice as hard' not 'hit', and he prefaced it with 'If you get hit...'
The intention was clearly to show support to the Democrats who were going back to face an already organized 'grassroots' opposition. Just like the Pelosi comment, it was first taken out of context, then twisted out of it's original meaning, and finally ended up a puppet of the right wing. Hope this was helpful!
I think you're being overly generous here. We never did to them what they're doing to us (not all loud protesters are created equal - it ain't free speech if it's paid for!) And so we're not condemning something we ever did.
* We never bused in party-insiders to act a rabble-rowswer
* We never had the news media ORGANIZING and INSTRUCTING the protests
* We never, never, never disceminated the kinds of audacious lies that they are perpetrating
* We never orchastrated an effort to systematically mis-inform people. This is now the SECOND time they've done that, counting 1993. They're just not even trying to be civil about this time.
So, no, there is NOT "plenty of hypocrisy to go around". There's nothign wrong with trying to be fair, but this goes to far. What they are doing is both despicable and unprecedented. (Exepting the 2000 precident , SET BY THEM and they're "Brooks Brothers" protesters.)
We've NEVER done anythign like this. Even Code Pink is different, on MANY levels, to what we're seeing here. And they faced CONSEQUENCES for their actions. They were DEALT WITH. And looking back, we acknowledge that they were arguably dealt with approproately. Do you the con's will look bakc on these debaters and say the same thing? No effing way. AND WE'RE NOT EVEN DOPING ANYTHIGN ABOUT THEM! And they'll still cry about their "free speech" (that they're being paid for.)
You don't have to be so nice to them. They WON'T return the favor.
These guys are traitors to this country for the simple reason that they (and their propaganda ministers) are out of power.
Plays into the violence? No, sir. Those who bring swastikas, calling our President a Nazi play into the violence. Those who encourage confrontation rather than debate play into the violence. Those who show up only for the purpose of being disruptive play into the violence. Those who do these things began as a created mob, crafted by insurance lobbyists.. and the GOP. There are web pages devoted to bragging about how Republicans who could be helped by this legislation broke up a discussion about it.
It was a comment by a deputy chief of staff to a group of Democratic congressmen. You are the one who refuses to talk, and it is your party who wants everyone to get out of the way, presumably so we can all go back to bowing down and worshiping at the altar of corporate greed, offering up our homes, our fortunes, and finally our children to the overweening power of the corporations who have bought you and paid for you to continue their fear mongering and lies.
Now you're lying. Please show proof that people are bringing swastikas and calling Obama a Nazi. As I pointed out above the one pic of a lady holding a swastika has a circle and a line through it. I haven't seen one piece of credible evidence that this is happening. Granny Pelosi chose the wrong words and now it's coming back to bite her.
"In Michigan, a town hall meeting erupted to the point where police were called. Long-standing healthcare reform supporter John Dingall (D-Mich.) faced angry opponents who far outnumbered the handful of supporters. One man had gotten in Dingall’s face and told him, “You’re a fraud, you have not read the bill!” The man, Mike Sola, has a son disabled by cerebral palsy, and said that Obama’s bill would not help his disabled son. Police finally stepped in and compelled Sola to leave the meeting. “Fascist America!” he was heard to shout as he was escorted out."
(http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/health-care/1628)
Here's another one.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/200908070008
So, yes, there are swastikas showing up, and yes the protesters are calling Obama a Nazi, or fascist if you prefer.
Ms. Pelosi called the situation exactly right, and said that drowning out discourse is un-American. It was Bush/Cheney who believed, and practiced, that dissent was treason.
Proof:
You = pwned
More Proof
A gun at a town hall meeting, and the idiot carrying is too stupid to carry it correctly. Must be a reichwinger...