Showcasing Clinton 2003 remarks, Fox falsely suggests Dem "hypocrisy" on free speech
August 11, 2009 8:24 am ET
From the August 11 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends:
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Conservatism in a nut's hell.
You will find that culture within the ranks of both left and right.
Try writing something that doesn't resonate properly in this echo chamber,,, ;-)
They don't want to engage on the merits of the proposals being set forth, because they know they'll look like fools if taken on what is actually in the reform bill.
I ask them to please, PLEASE actually debate it. They won't. They can't, because their positions cannot be supported rationally, or with, you know, facts.
They might be just as against the premise, even if they understood it better, but they would likely7 at least change focus and tactics.
The core issue here is NOT the fact that people disagree with the idea of health care reform - it's the attempt to stifle conversation (and therefore meaningful debate) that is the major problem. The m.o. is to make as much noise as possible so it's impossible to discuss healthcare, in order to prevent ANY reform from taking place. Insert fingers in ears, make loud noises with mouth. Repeat as necessary. This is not the same as voicing disagreement with an administration's policy decision.
And I wish all of these people who just chant "read the bill" could be forced to prove that THEY'VE read it.
I rnted a bit about that on the Geist-Palin-Gingrich thread, [currently at the] bottom.
In 2003, anyone who openly talked about opposing invading Iraq was branded a traitor. A terrorist sympathizer. Some were said to be wanting the US to get attacked again. Un-patriotic, and America hating.
Fast forward now to 2009. Nobody, and I repeat NOBODY on the left is saying that people who oppose this health care reform should NOT be heard. No indeed. The thing these folks keep missing is that people from the left are calling for debate, and for that debate to be civil. You've seen the films from these meetings. Someone gets up, asks a question that the hoarde disagrees with, and immediately, they get shouted down. When someone is given a chance to speak, they are SHOUTED down.
People who oppose reform should speak, but they should do so in a manner in which their representatives and or Senators can address them, address their grievances, answer their questions, and field their concerns. Showing up as a mob, yelling, shouting, and screaming about falsehoods you heard on FoxNews and Rush Limbaugh is not a dialogue, and it's not debate.
Think back, also to 2003, and later years. When people were protesting the war showed up to meetings, or even townhalls, and they got loud, and boisterous what happened? They were shown the door, and rightfully so. A loud protest in a meeting such as this, is not the place for it. Take that stuff outside. Take that stuff to the street.
What our current crop of mostly, from what I can tell, geriatric protesters seem to forget is that they're indoors, and maybe should be using their indoor grown up voices to interact with their Congress women and men, to hopefully get some real information, instead of the crap they've been fed.
Something tells me, they don't care. They've already made up their mind, they KNOW that there are "death panels" waiting for them, and God forbid should the government take over Medicare...
And it's funny that we keep hearing these republican hacks on Fox and other places talk about how democrats are trying to stifle dissent, and then they show video of townhall meetings totally disrupted by these people. I mean, democrats are trying to stifle their "dissent" so much, that they keep letting them disrupt their meetings.
BRAVO!!
"I am sick of tired of people saying that if you scream and holler at town meetings or hang the president in effigy or call him Marxist or Hitler-like that you sowmehow are unpatriotic. We should stand up and yell, "We are real Americans, ya'll are communist marxists who want to euthanize my grandma and we have a right to threaten your well being thanks to the second ammendment if y'all don't let me disrupt and infringe on people who I don't agree with's first ammendment."
They play dumb and act like she did say that. Same thing with Nancy Pelosi. These people are useless idiots.
Thats a good point.
There are a great many and growing number of school districts where behavior like that will get your child arrested,,, if not tasered THEN arrested,,, AND sent to psycho-pharma-counseling.
(unles of course the kid's just been raised to act like an animal but gets wrongly put into the 504 Plan,,, then he gets a cookie instead)
I hate to say, "back in the day", but, back in the day, when I was growing up, if I screwed up, and someone else caught me screwing up, like a teacher, or a coach, or some other adult in my small town, my parents would hear about it, and when I got home, the punishment would be meted out.
Go to today. My younger brother is a teacher. He calls the parents of kids he's having troubles with. Not only do the parents dodge his calls, but then call the school back, and complain that my brother is "picking on" their kid.
That's just a small example, but he hears it all of the time. His principal just shakes his head.
One benefit the abject slave had over us,,, he at least knew who was on the other end of his chain.
Yes, there's an inordinate amount of monkey-see-monkey do to it as well.
Lots of factors 'behind' it all. The culmination of several generations of misguided social-darwinist ideoligies behind the Public School system itself is no small part of it.
Pelosi: Drowning out opposing views is Un-American.
So, two Democrats agree that discourse is okay. And, we have a panel of conservatives who are breaking their arms trying to pat themselves on the back for discovering 'hypocrisy'. An hypocrisy that doesn't even exist. They've truly begun reporting on fantasyland.
By the way, Beck, no -one- person can sound like an angry mob, okay?
When the Tea Party driven Health Care protests are based on LIES and something the govt is NOT doing?
1. Forced euthenasia
2. Death panels
3. Single payer
4. Govt run health care
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