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ABC News' Johnson debunks "death panel," abortion funding, Medicare funding, and Socialized medicine health care myths

August 13, 2009 9:53 am ET

From the August 13 edition of ABC's Good Morning America:

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    • Author by epkklk851 (August 13, 2009 10:23 am ET)
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      Nice, logical, reasoned, truthful-yes; likely to sell the Fauxed masses-nope. Too bad.
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      • Author by all your eyes (August 13, 2009 10:29 am ET)
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        Too little, too late? I'm not sure. If the mainstream media outlets can continue this kind of coverage for the rest of August, congress may return in September to more favorable poll numbers.
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        • Author by epkklk851 (August 13, 2009 10:40 am ET)
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          That would be good. I just hope they do. I favor single payer/national health care myself. I have for about 30 years. But I don't think we can sell it here for a while, yet. I just keep getting discouraged when I hear all the GARBAGE coming from Fixed Noise. In my office, being for any kind of national health care is like being a leper, you pretty much keep it to yourself if you want people to talk to you.
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          • Author by NiceguyEddie (August 13, 2009 10:59 am ET)
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            It's amazing, the level of ignoracne out there. People seem proud of the fact that they've been duped by big corporations.
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          • Author by renardot (August 13, 2009 11:01 am ET)
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            I know that feeling but I don't keep it to myself. Around here at the job people sprout the fox taliking points and I debunk everyone of them. I hope that soon they will give up and stop being a part of the fringe.
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            • Author by epkklk851 (August 13, 2009 11:23 am ET)
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              I have to be very careful, as a Federal employee, some of my rights are suppressed. There is an injunction of discussing political matters in the office. I was talking about the Constitution and got slammed by a young man for discussing politics...but he keeps the California piece of a state map three file drawers away from the rest of the states because he hates California for being liberal.
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              • Author by NG_Officer (August 13, 2009 11:59 am ET)
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                I work for the state goverment here, and I just overheard two "colleagues" discussing how the US was founded on christian principles and that when you take god out of the classroom, society will crumble.

                I hear junk like this all the time
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                • Author by rwmacdonald2091 (August 13, 2009 1:09 pm ET)
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                  Well one thing about "christian values" that's true, if we do let the so called christian values of the right wing crackpots into the classroom, that surely won't be good for our country.

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                • Author by epkklk851 (August 13, 2009 1:22 pm ET)
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                  My office is very conservative, so I may hear stuff I don't like, but I have to be careful. I said that Barney Frank wasn't responsible for the collapse of FannieMae and the person yelled "Bull****! You don't know what you are talking about!" and stomped out of the room. She hasn't spoken to me since.
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              • Author by tman418 (August 14, 2009 12:22 am ET)
                   
                I intern at a Satellite Office for Senator Webb once a week. We were getting phone calls saying "Vote no on Obama's SC nominee" before Obama even nominated anyone. I pretty much have to handle all of the calls from the GnoP so the others can handle casework.
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      • Author by jhnwlk (August 13, 2009 8:50 pm ET)
           
        They wouldn't be the target audience in any case. They are the "masses" and they can never be reached by reason and truth. No, this should be aimed at, well, the ABC audience in the middle and reachable and teachable. It could work.
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    • Author by weaves (August 13, 2009 10:40 am ET)
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      That's great....except the truth is irrelevant to these teabagger people.
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    • Author by HistoricallyCorrect (August 13, 2009 10:52 am ET)
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      I don't understand why abortion would NOT be covered. It is a legitimate and legal medical procedure that needs to be covered. Don't give me any nonsense about morals and tax dollars going towards things you are morally opposed to. Many are morally opposed to the war (where hundreds of thousands are dying) and are forced to pay for that.
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    • Author by doubtingthom (August 13, 2009 11:07 am ET)
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      Softball questions to a supporter of the program = real hard hitting journalism and deep analysis.
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    • Author by FinanceBuzz (August 13, 2009 11:27 am ET)
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      Too bad he did not really "debunk" anything but rather just regugitated left-wing talking points.

      1. Points out that funding for abortion is still possible. This is debunked? Nope.
      2. Medicare has more choices? Ask seniors in NYC where fewer doctors are accepting Medicare patients. (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/02/business/retirementspecial/02health.html) Why? Red tape of dealing with the govt and low reimbursement rates. How do you think Obama is going to cut waste? Slashing reimbursement to doctors? Hardly debunked and Johnson even notes that has to be watched.
      3. Govt. insurnace is not soc. medicine - this is playing word games. No, the govt would not own and operate hospitals. But by completely controlling payment (and do not kid yourself...economics tell you that a public option will lead to single payer - in fact some pols - Barney Frank - are on record as being in favor of such a transition!) will make the system one that is de facto socialized medicine.

      As we see all along, the Dems are blocking real, meaningful effective health care reform by instead going for a big govt medicine power grab. Rather than work to enhance competition that will truly drive efficiency and excellence as well as address access issues (covg. for pre-existing conditions and recission), the Dems are more interested in establishing a big govt. solution that will only aggrandize their power at the expense of the average American. Fortunately, as we are seeing aroung the country, average Americans are waking up to this and loudly speaking out even while the Dems launch smear campaigns against average Americans who dare to stand up for economic liberty and freedom.
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      • Author by bintx (August 13, 2009 11:44 am ET)
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        Wrong, but then you know that. I don't listen to right OR left wing TPs . . . and you're wrong. I live in an area which is noted to be the second most conservative in the nation . . . no protests, no one "loudly speaking out." What you are referring to is a very well-funded campaign by Dick Armey's group, Tony Perkins' group and people who just want to destroy Mr. Obama . . . has nothing to do with health care reform or anything else. Has to do with revitalizing the GOP which, at this point in time, is entirely irrelevant and is grasping at ANYTHING to get control.

        Keep watching Fox . . . you're one of the very few Americans who do.
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      • Author by guye (August 13, 2009 11:58 am ET)
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        Countries with socialized medicine all in the top 10 for quality and cost and the US is 37th give your head a shake
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      • Author by blueline99 (August 13, 2009 12:04 pm ET)
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        Does the UK or Canadian goverment "aggrandize" themselves with their single payer or NHS. A plurality of both countries love their health care systems. They are proud of them. They have flaws of course, but the argument from the opposing parties is the best way to fix them, never to get rid of it.

        The Republicans demonize the government with flair and scare tactics that go beyond hyperbole when it's convenient to them. The Right demonizes the government as "power mongers", but then defends the suspension of habeas corpus and dismisses the Constitution for the Patriot Act.

        I want to feel the sense of pride that Canadians do with their Health Care system, instead of the disgust I feel whenever I hear about Insurance companies cancelling insurance for those who need it the most or see a report that 75% of those who declared bankruptcy due to health care problems had insurance.
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      • Author by EmberOfTruth (August 13, 2009 2:49 pm ET)
           
        And as a rebuttal you offer nothing but right-wing talking points?

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    • Author by pasteve (August 13, 2009 11:28 am ET)
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      The execution of this was botched form the beginning. The administration needed to point out how the current health system works, or doesn't, and then describe how the new plan would correct the problems without creating new ones or fixing what wasn't broken in the first place. Their poor explanation left room for all the speculation to creep in like it did.

      Having said that, there are those on the right exploiting this gap in knowledge and replacing healthy speculation and criticism with blatant lies. They have several months head start on the administration. They are using the public airwaves to repeat their message about 45 hours a week.

      Much of that audience will more than likely never see this ABC report. If they do, their version of it will be highly edited. I am almost afraid to use the word, but over the years a virtual cult has been created in America which only takes its message from its leaders - and as a whole believes they alone are right, and all those who disagree are the enemy (or liberals or leftists or Marxists or socialists or traitors or Nazis or have a mental disorder or want to destroy America, or are part of ACORN, or just plain lying). I don't see how those minds can ever be changed.
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      • Author by blueline99 (August 13, 2009 12:11 pm ET)
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        I agree that it was botched too... but what I think President Obama needed to create a Declaration of Health Care Independence that all Americans would champion. Create a plurality that would separate us from the Lobbyist and Health Care industry that profits on the worstening condition of Americans health.

        It should have been short and basic... similar to what England did after WWII. It seems this nation needs to come together to acheive a goal this important. The goal needed to be defined before a single word of legislation was put to paper.
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      • Author by danical (August 13, 2009 1:55 pm ET)
           
        We can fix the existing system by taking three simple steps:

        1. Limit medical malpractice awards to $250,000, already done in California. This will reduce insurance costs and stop the defensive medicine that must be practiced to avoid lawsuits. Savings=$hundred of billions a year.
        2. Require illegal aliens to pay for care or be denied treatment. Sorry, medical care is for legal immigrants and citizens only. Just ask the three hikers what happens when you enter Iran illegally. Savings=$hundreds of billions a year.
        3. Require a co-pay of $20 for every doctor visit whether person is covered under insurance, medicare, medicaid etc. This will stop recreational medicine and fraud. If the person is poor, out of money and receives aid, deduct the copay from future payments. Savings=$hundreds of billions a year.

        Total Savings = Hundreds of billions a year, enough to pay for catatrophic care for un-under insured. Result = No destruction of American healthcare system.
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    • Author by bintx (August 13, 2009 11:32 am ET)
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      10 times more people watch broadcast news than the Fox opinion network. This will help.
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    • Author by SMTDL (August 13, 2009 11:59 am ET)
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      Well..must say this is better than most of the other channels have done..but too little too late..The myth to me is that there is misinformation unless that means intentional distortion and lies!!!! Elected officials(eg -Grassley,Congresswoman Fox,ex Gov Palin,etc) and well paid media personalities (Hannity,Beck ,Limbaugh,O'Reilly,etc.etc)have deliberately misled people.The so called mainstream media has given a lot a coverage of the battle and helped give some of the garbage a measure of credibility by not refuting it strongly and quickly.Maybe they just didn't know any better!!???
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    • Author by mustardman (August 13, 2009 12:15 pm ET)
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      Reality. That was refreshing. It's so rare to see reality in the news these days. As ridiculous as that may have sounded at one time!
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    • Author by Cheney2012 (August 13, 2009 12:20 pm ET)
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      I have a myth to Debunk:

      MYTH: "Corporate Special Interests are bankrolling Health Care Protests"

      REALITY: The are bankrolling the Obama supporters. They are the supporters:

      http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/26076.html
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      • Author by bintx (August 13, 2009 12:36 pm ET)
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        Nice try, but not very effective, as usual.

        I'm not an Obama supporter, I'm an American citizen who works closely with the insurance industry and who, because of a couple of pre-existing conditions can't get insurance coverage. Our health care system is broken [the system, not the health care providers] and it's going to BANKRUPT our country. BCBS is cutting its workforce here at their LARGE facility . . . why? Because of the unemployment numbers and business closings, they are writing fewer group policies. This nonsense is beginning to affect even them.

        This isn't a right v. left issue, it's about human beings and about the health of our COUNTRY. Grow up.
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      • Author by twseattle (August 13, 2009 12:50 pm ET)
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        Yeah, the good guys are in the game now, you suckers already showed all your cards and you won't know what happened to your 'movement' when this is over, just like the election. Your side has been played like schoolkids, acted like them too, and you have no options but to get in the game with realistic proposals or look like even bigger doofuses in the next four elections. Tale all the comfort you want from your side being loudest and getting your shots in. We own the finish line.

        When the general elections come around how will republicans respond when every one of them is asked to renounce the Nazi imagery now being used by right wingers? They can't do that, because without your fringe elements, you know you have nothing, that's why your party panders to them so much. But if they don't renounce, nobody outside very conservative circles will endorse them.
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    • Author by danical (August 13, 2009 1:06 pm ET)
         
      This guy is a liberal hack who should be ashamed of himself. Everyone knows Obama and the Dems are after single-payer, this "reform" is just a guise to get there. If you don't believe me, follow the money, it always leads to the truth. Where in this "reform" is the "Tort Reform"? It does not exist. Reason, the trial attorneys make vast sums of money on bogus medical malpractice lawsuits. Anyone hear of shamed John Edwards? The trial attorney lobby spends almost all of their money on democrats. Even Sebilius the Health Secretary was the head of the Kansas trial attorney's association. We can save billions a year if doctors weren't forced to practice defensive medicine. Check out California, they put a cap in and it stopped the lawsuits.
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