Maddow corrects Armey: "MoveOn never ran an ad that compared" Bush to Hitler
August 16, 2009 11:25 am ET
From the August 16 edition of NBC's Meet the Press:


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Claiming that MoveOn "ran" a Bush-Hitler ad is LIE!!
In 2003, MoveOn held a contest called
"Bush in 30 Seconds...."
Entries were judged by a panel of celebrities... that included Jack Black, Moby, then-comedian (now Senator) Al Franken, famed Democratic strategist James Carville and others.
The Bush-Hitler ad was not chosen...and could not be found among the top 150 user-submitted videos.
Dick Armey fact check: MoveOn did not run Bush-Hitler ad...
Anyone who's still hosting the ad online must have swiped it off the MoveOn site in the few hours that it was even available. MoveOn did the responsible thing and took it down. Anyone who is still hosting it is clearly doing it to disingenuously smear MoveOn.
Then again, these ARE wingnuts we're talking about.
As for Armey, typical. Takes no responsibility for fomenting uncivil discourse, followed by a blatant lie.
Up until now, the right has generally ignored Ms. Maddow for good reason---she comes armed with facts and proof and they only have their lies---but that's going to have to change. How long before they go after her sexual orientation? I'd bet it won't be too long because if they can't fight her on the facts then they'll try to destroy her character. It's just what they do.
If David Gregory wants to get MTP better ratings it might be wise to reinvent itself with more guests like Rachel. When "This Week" with a bunch or conservative old hacks starts stealing your ratings you're in trouble.
As for that corporate whore Dick Armey... What a scum sucking nasty pathetic insect of a puny minded man!
The utter disdain and hatred that I have for people like him scares me to no end that I can feel such disdain and hatred for a certain type of people. But people of his stripe have pushed buttons in me that I never before shown.
My hatred is not the kind that would make me do something stupid... it has compelled me to expose these kinds of people for the total frauds and treasonous pricks they are!
She's learning. Did she intern at MMFA?
It's right there in the link under the video.
http://www.lonelyconservative.com/2009/08/09/flashback-pelosis-moveon-aired-bushhitler-ad/
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=36456
http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/bstein80/moveonorgs-ad-comparing-bush-to-hitler
All these statements are wrong. It was not created by MoveOn. Someone in a contest submitted the ad and when they were aware of it, they took it down. By taking down the ad there is no way it was a potential TV ad. Just because they write something does not make it true.
Second, the LonelyConservative post says, "You certainly didn’t hear Pelosi complaining about this ad by MoveOn." Actually, the video they play isn't by MoveOn -- it's a video that was submitted to MoveOn's contest. In fact, it's one of the videos that was pulled by MoveOn. Again, why are you criticizing MoveOn for pulling the submission?
And lastly, what a surprise, the FreedomWorks post is about the exact same ad, which is misidentified by FreedomWorks as MoveOn's ad.
MoveOn certainly is innocent of the charge of producing and airing ads that likened Bush to Hitler. But you knew that, because you read the WND story. Right? You did actually read the stories to which you linked, didn't you?
So on the one hand, we have MoveOn, which neither produced, selected, nor aired any ad in its contest that compared Bush to Hitler, but instead removed those ads. And on the other hand, we have people like Rush Limbaugh, who does compare the Democratic Party, Obama and his administration's policies to Hitler and Nazi Germany, and Glenn Beck, who calls Obama a racist and compares his policies to Nazi eugenics programs. Or do you think that the difference between these examples is just "a mere technicality"?
I don't see any such things coming from our mainstream media about their Hitler/Obama comparisons.
Also, how many of our Neocon apologists have ever volunteered to be poll workers? I've known several people who did over the years.
I also like how Fairliberal stated that Moveon "featured" the ad on their website. They of course, did no such thing either. It was amongst the MANY submissions. And, as others have said, one that they took down, quickly, and then apologized for (as they should have, because they should have had better review before allowing them to be posted).
So your theory is that this site popped up on April 1st and posted an obvious joke of an article. Then an O'Reilly staffer somehow stumbles across this piece, not thinking that it might be suspicious that it was posted on April 1st, or that an actual French publication would be using the clearly sarcastic title "Poor Little France", and relayed this information to O'Reilly. As soon as O'Reilly does this, it erases not only this article, but any others it posted as well. Nobody else ever saw it. Nobody linked to it or reposted it on another site before it was deleted. Nobody found a cached version and posted it to show how O'Reilly was fooled. The website then transforms itself into a full-blown mockery of O'Reilly, and never posts anything again. Did O'Reilly ever make such an explanation, anyway?
And based on that brilliant theory, you expect to show that MMfA was either being dishonest or negligent in its research by ignoring that site, and the only way around that is to prove that the site wasn't around at all at that time? How would you prove that, anyway? As if anyone can be expected to look at that page and think "well, what if this...and this...and this...and this..." before drawing a conclusion. It's not exactly reasonable doubt.
Give it up.
And what you are all ignoring is the video of one of the ads that clearly states "sponsored by moveon.org" at the end.
But of course they are innocent victims, just like acorn. Libs never do anything wrong.
But more likely, if you're making an ad for a contest that's sponsored by Moveon.org, wouldn't you put something like that at the end? The whole intent of the video is to win their contest, after all.
Nobody's saying that liberals never do anything wrong. The point is that Moveon never ran any such ad.
And what you are all ignoring is the video of one of the ads that clearly states "sponsored by moveon.org" at the end.
But of course they are innocent victims, just like acorn. Libs never do anything wrong." - "fair"-liberal
Is that what the Paris Busines Review told you, "fair"?
So it's your position that this distinction is merely technical? Fascinating. This may be the first time that I've met someone who maintains that the difference between a winner of a contest and a loser of a contest is one of mere technicality. Or that the difference between removing a controversial submission in a contest and paying to run that submission is just a technicality.
The other thing about this whole democrats called Bush Hitler too. Well, first of all, I don't seem to remember any liberal media members doing this during the term of George W. Bush, and if someone did, all the same it is W-R-O-N-G.
As someone else posted, equating the President of the US, ANY President to the US to Hitler and the Nazis is stupid at best, and dangerous at the worst. And it is most definitely STOOPID in the extreme.
I too, thought him, intellectually challenged, or in-curious as to what was happening around him. I never thought him that bad of a person, but I did think his policies, a lot of them, were craptastic, and we saw how that all ended up.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/32437249#32437249
Wow. Stutter much, Dick?
"Erm... uh... what I find fascinating blah blah blah back on message back on message."
We need media reform in the worst way in America. Mmmm...something like it was before media consolidation was passed under Pres. Clinton!!! Then, just maybe, these moderators like Gregory, would possibly challenge the B.S. coming from the likes of Armey...
Go Rachel!!
Dick Armey is talking about THIS ad which was found on You Tube by searching moveon.org+hitler. It was the first selection!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpxmYvlLKXo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpxmYvlLKXo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpxmYvlLKXo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpxmYvlLKXo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpxmYvlLKXo
Maybe you all should watch it again...
Meanwhile, the right-wingers in mainstream media are comparing Obama and the Democrats to Nazis all the time now. Why was this clip made by some anonymous guy on the Internet worse than Rush or Glenn Beck?
Ironic that to try and make their point (whatever that is) they are now, yes, brining up things that happened during the Bush years.
Once again, IOKIYAR.
Here's what Glenn Beck had to say:
Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Beck now claiming that violence against people who disrupt public meetings is anti-American, unconstitutional and Nazi-like? Huh. I wonder what happened to change his mind.
The pro-reform views on this episode were from someone who wrote a book on health care (Daschle) and someone who obviously came prepared with facts (Maddow).