Krauthammer says people have had "educated reaction ... against the public option"
August 18, 2009 11:12 am ET
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NO.
OK, maybe some have, but what we've been seeing, overall, has been basically hysterics, and all of the lies. Death panels, euthanasia, rationing, and so on. All of their talking points have been debunked.
PUMP UP THE C R A Z Y !!!!
Of course they have been edumencated. They have been fed the company line. It doesn't matter if it makes sense or is based on facts and reality. They have been told what to think.
But if all of our points have been debunked properly, then why do millions continue to adamantly protest?
May I suggest it has something to do with this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDDBZuheQxs
In this video, ex-KGB URI Bezmenov talks about an ongoing process of ideological subversion, a process that begun at least twenty years ago.
We know this is happening, and we will not submit to a shift to a socialist regime, bet it in a euphemistically named "public option" or any other form.
You will say that I am crazy, but by doing so, you will prove this man's point. You hear what you want and cannot connect logical evidence with what you see going on around you. Tell me I'm crazy, and I'll tell you you're brainwashed.
I don't want to believe this process is occurring, but I cannot let it continue. If you watch this video, and you are a sane, logical person, it becomes OBVIOUS what is really going on in this country.
Or you can dismiss this man as crazy, and ride out your dreams of a better tomorrow, from a man who promised the most radical change this nation has ever seen, to socialism.
But why should I believe you when you're crazy?
I know Rush was really proud of the guy who asked Obama how could private insurance compete in the marketplace with government, which need not profit, and has economies of scale in terms of overhead, and can print its own money... but that's really not a hard question at all (which is not to say that Obama answered it well either, but that's neither here nor there.)
Nearly all of what we've seen at the town halls has been anger stoked by false information, and sometimes outright racism. I want my country back indeed.
The kind of whining I heard from the guy is the same kind of "how can coal mining companies compete if they have to abide by safety regulations?" bs we heard in the early 20th century, and the same kind of "how can small businesses survive if the minimum wage increases?" bs we hear today. It's very simple- if the health care insurance industry can't compete against a public option, then the health care insurance industry needs to just GO AWAY. NOBODY has a God-given right to massive profits.
Really? Because for the most part they ask no questions. They accuse the representative of lying, they tell them God will someday judge them, and they shout a lot about wanting some mythical 'America' back. I've heard no legitimate concerns.
By the way, voicing 'concerns' raised in Luntz's talking points on health reform memo is not the same thing as having a legitimate concern. It's falling for propaganda.
"MMFA wants to promote the idea that anyone who questions Obama is a wide-eyed loon..."
Yeah, yeah. MMfA is dedicated to exposing conservative lies in the media, puppienrainbows. Read the charter. There is very little liberal media, and they tend to self-correct. I cite Rachel Maddow as an example of this. The conservative media, however, seems to prefer lies to begin with, when it is a question of public policy such as health reform. MMfA is simply here to call them on it, and provide a place to discuss it.
Not everyone who objects to health reform is a loon. Many are wealthy insurance execs who are concerned they may someday have to find out what it means to work for a living. Not everyone who questions Obama is even a conservative. I for one am very displeased about his continuance of domestic spying policies begun under Bush II. That, however, is another topic for another time. At we have stopped torturing innocent people. I shouldn't have to point this out, but by innocent I mean people who have never been tried, let alone convicted, let alone even allowed to speak with an attorney.
breach reality and distort it with a double-standard spin."
I don't hate those who are wealthy, puppienrainbows. Also, I'm not obsessed with our 43rd president.
I -did- point out that the initial reaction against the public option was primarily among insurance execs, who quickly rounded up a PR firm or two, and a busload of protesters, and astroturfed a campaign against it. But only to rebut the ridiculous notion that this is any kind of grass roots movement led by people with legitimate concerns. Profit over people is not a legitimate concern in my opinion.
I also pointed out that one of the points where I disagree with our current president happens to be a legacy policy of our last president. Explain how this is an obsession?
You said: Were all of the folks at these townhall meetings carrying nazi signs and screaming " I want my country back" Snoopdog?
I rebutted this.
You said: "Many of these people have legitimate concerns, but MMFA wants to promote the idea that anyone who questions Obama is a wide-eyed loon dedicated to the Nazi party only after they got tired of being a klansman."
I rebutted this as well. I realize it's a two-parter, but really, it wasn't that hard to prove false on either count.
The point is that Krauthammer saying that people have an educated reaction against the public option is obviously wrong on its face, based strictly on how many of them continue to buy into the fraud that there are 'death panels', to cite just one piece of propaganda that has gotten -way- too much play.
"One picture, one racist ignoramus." Um, no, not really. There are hundreds of pictures exactly like this one all over the internet and television. Unless you are arguing that it's the same person running from protest to protest, you really haven't got a leg to stand on.
If you don't want to be represented by these fruitcakes, stop watching the network that is giving them the most attention, and stop listening to the yakkers who are cheering them on. But don't blame us for pointing them out, and don't pretend they aren't typical of the knuckle-dragging dittoheads out there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDDBZuheQxs
Krauthammer is ALWAYS wrong.. ALWAYS!
Prior to the 2000 Healthcare reform in the UK, the NHS was underfunded which caused many of the horror stories that the right wing is spouting off as "proof" that the UK system doesn't work.
Today, spending has increased to $181B (US) annually (nearly double the spending) and that has fixed the long waits, deferred services, etc.
With a population of 60 million people, the UK spends roughly $3,016/per person.
If we could be as efficient as the UK and implement a similar system, with 300 millionpeople, we would spend $905 Billion... hell, even if we rounded up we would could spend $1 Trillion or $3,333 per person, slightly more than the UK... but hey they've been doing this for 60 years.
Currently we spend roughly $2.4 trillion annually in health care, with projections that are crazy scary in the next decade.
This is how far out of whack we are with the UK. They are able to provide everyone in their country with quality health care for half the cost.
As a nation, we need to get our act together...
We should be embarassed by how this nation treats our own.