Tantaros falsely claimed Obama "said that people that opposed his plan were bearing false witness"
August 21, 2009 8:48 pm ET
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"Hypocrisy" has become so mundane.
It seems that it is MMFA who is making a false claim. Surprise , surprise.
Get it, Faillib?
But why not prove me wrong by quoting her exact words to support what you say, I challange you. Or any of the other fools who support your blatant lie. Come on , do it. Exact words.
Transcribed from clip: "Invoking religion and scripture to try and pass this bill is on its face a disgusting plainly transparent political move they are trying in the very last moments to try and get this thing through."
Another 'what the meaning of "is" is' hairsplitting moment for failliteral.
Really, I was expecting even the dimmest bulb to understand that I had done the exact same thing as Tantaros did, and to try to parse or weasel out of it.
I had no idea that it was possible for anybody to not see it. I've overestimated again.
And while MMFA's citing Tanataros statement as false is a "false statement", my identical framing is a "flat out lie". Incredible.
Anybody else get the feeling that the trolls are getting competitive lately? That they're either;
A. Wise-cracking leftys testing the limits of how dense they can be without anybody catching on, or
B. Actual right wingers, but like troubled children, starving for attention, even negative attention.?
The past couple of days I've been at this site a lot, and between FAILy, stark, Anutteramerican and a couple others,there is a good month's worth of cluelessness.
I'm having a tough time believing they're on the level.
Your fallacious reasoning lies in your framing that Obama either must have been referring to either all supporters or all opponents. People above a third-grade reading level should know better.
Exactly right and MMFA denies it. Tantaros did not claim he said all people were bearing false witness. Nor did I, had you made it past the 3rd grade you would have noticed that the quote I referred to said some folks.
You really have no idea what I want. If someone is unfairly criticized here, I'll defend them. I don't care who they are. You and Tantaros both are being ambiguous, while you should be specifying that Obama was talking about certain people. Otherwise, it's misleading, and that behavior deserves criticism.
I also don't think the point about "racists" supports your cause here. Do people who make those statements say "all" people who attend tea parties or voice objections at town hall meetings are racists? If not, then you're admitting that the word is implied, just as it is for what Tantaros said.
You're lost in your own BS here. Nobody's denying that Obama said some folks were bearing false witness, so you're not refuting anything.
Neither did I, Faily. Do you get it yet?
I can't believe you still don't get it.
Maybe this will help; Since you think the problem is that I didn't use an "accurate quote",and that's why it's different than what Tantaros did, you should be able to provide a quote from Obama saying " People who oppose my plan are bearing false witness".
Let's say you're commenting on sports, and while discussing a specific basketball team you say that "those players have no talent." Someone then says that you said that "basketball players have no talent." Is that fair? Are people supposed to pick up on the hidden "those" that was not included in your quote, or what? Do you see how it might come off to people that you were making a more general comment?
If you see a substantial difference between these scenarios, please let me know what it is.
Yes, he did. Some folks who are opposed are lying about what's in the bill. But you quoted the 'some folks' part of his comment, then offered two groups to pick from: supporters and opposers. Thus, you have (whether you intended to or not) tried to force people to say President Obama is either saying all opponents or all supporters are lying. This is a false framing of the comment as well as who the comment may have been referring to, fairliberal.
Similarly, Tantaros may have intended something differently, but her ambiguous phrasing created the impression that Obama was referring to all opponents. There's really no way around that, as far as I'm seeing. You're sure not making a good effort at showing it.
Ergo all the lies, smears, etc. etc.
Later and good luck in 2010, I have a feeling you're going to need it.
Our major fault seems to be thinking that Straussian/neocon stratgy might contain some comon ground with the majority of american needs.
Its all about the party that they took over no more no less.
Sure beats picking one who had reams of demolition experience. I think you know of whom I speak.
Controlling another 20% of the economy will filter trillions of more dollars thru Washington.
Congress will inevitably throw the baby out with the bath water. Follow the money.
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Some details on how healthcare reform will do nothing for healthcare, and its strange ability to overwhelm an industry putting out a million plus a day to fight this reform.
The examples given by medicare and medicade on government costs is not relevent to the conversation?
Yah I see 30+ cents of each dollar spent on private health insurance going to overhead.
Got an answer for this one? (courtesy of Rep. Weiner/NY): What do insurance companies bring to the table in regards to health CARE that justifies their 30% profit/overhead?
Try again when you have learned to read and listen for comprehension. You have a long way to go.
Why are conservatives always expecting handouts for grown people? Shouldn't Obama expect his brother to pull himself up by his bootstraps and be self-sufficient?
When?
And YOU know this how?
And yelling, screaming and lying about pulling the plug on Grammy does what, further the debate?
And if we do nothing, will the system just fix it's self?
You might want to take your own advise and look up these folks who sponsor the groups against health-care reform. Check out who runs them and where they get their money from.
I'll give you a couple and YOU follow the money for the rest!
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