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Tantaros falsely claimed Obama "said that people that opposed his plan were bearing false witness"

August 21, 2009 8:48 pm ET

From the August 21 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor:

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In smearing "disingenuous" Obama -- who "has not chosen a church yet" -- Fox & Friends repeatedly bear false witness

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    • Author by IRONY 101 (August 21, 2009 8:52 pm ET)
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      Andrea Tantaros is the future of FOX. You are looking at the next Sean Hannity...she can lie and distort with the best of them. A real piece of work there...
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    • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (August 21, 2009 8:55 pm ET)
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      What is it called when someone has to bear false witness against someone in order to accuse them of bearing false witness?

      "Hypocrisy" has become so mundane.
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    • Author by blk-in-alabam (August 21, 2009 9:42 pm ET)
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      Tantaros is a conservative(republican) insider so she clearly knows what they are doing.She is just trying to falsly accuse President Obama of saying what she knows to be true
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    • Author by fairliberal (August 21, 2009 10:15 pm ET)
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      He did say that "some folks out there who were frankly bearing false witness". Was he saying that his supporters were doing it, or those opposed. Take a wild guess.

      It seems that it is MMFA who is making a false claim. Surprise , surprise.
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      • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (August 21, 2009 11:08 pm ET)
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        Tantaros says that people who read the Bible engage in disgusting acts. Honest, it's right there in the video clip.

        Get it, Faillib?
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        • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (August 21, 2009 11:09 pm ET)
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          It's at about :54 seconds in. Go ahead, take a look.
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          • Author by fairliberal (August 22, 2009 1:50 pm ET)
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            That's a flat out lie, she said no such thing. Perhaps you should have your hearing checked, or perhaps you are deliberately lying about it.

            But why not prove me wrong by quoting her exact words to support what you say, I challange you. Or any of the other fools who support your blatant lie. Come on , do it. Exact words.
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            • Author by John Paradox (August 22, 2009 3:33 pm ET)
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              Colonel "people who read the Bible engage in disgusting acts"

              Transcribed from clip: "Invoking religion and scripture to try and pass this bill is on its face a disgusting plainly transparent political move they are trying in the very last moments to try and get this thing through."

              Another 'what the meaning of "is" is' hairsplitting moment for failliteral.
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            • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (August 22, 2009 5:19 pm ET)
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              Poor Commode Boy. Pwned by his own ignorance yet again.
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            • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (August 22, 2009 6:32 pm ET)
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              OMFG !!! I thought we already had all the entries in the Wingnut Derby this week, but it looks like FAILlib isn't out of the race yet.

              Really, I was expecting even the dimmest bulb to understand that I had done the exact same thing as Tantaros did, and to try to parse or weasel out of it.

              I had no idea that it was possible for anybody to not see it. I've overestimated again.

              And while MMFA's citing Tanataros statement as false is a "false statement", my identical framing is a "flat out lie". Incredible.

              Anybody else get the feeling that the trolls are getting competitive lately? That they're either;

              A. Wise-cracking leftys testing the limits of how dense they can be without anybody catching on, or

              B. Actual right wingers, but like troubled children, starving for attention, even negative attention.?

              The past couple of days I've been at this site a lot, and between FAILy, stark, Anutteramerican and a couple others,there is a good month's worth of cluelessness.

              I'm having a tough time believing they're on the level.

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      • Author by Brabantio (August 22, 2009 12:13 am ET)
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        "I know there's been a lot of misinformation in this debate, and there are some folks out there who are, frankly, bearing false witness, but I want everyone to know what health insurance reform is all about."
        His point was that some of those opposed were bearing false witness.

        Your fallacious reasoning lies in your framing that Obama either must have been referring to either all supporters or all opponents. People above a third-grade reading level should know better.
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        • Author by Scotty Johnson (August 22, 2009 7:01 am ET)
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          People above a third-grade reading level should know better.
          Methinks you assume to much.
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        • Author by fairliberal (August 22, 2009 12:30 pm ET)
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          "His point was that some of those opposed were bearing false witness."

          Exactly right and MMFA denies it. Tantaros did not claim he said all people were bearing false witness. Nor did I, had you made it past the 3rd grade you would have noticed that the quote I referred to said some folks.
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          • Author by Brabantio (August 22, 2009 12:43 pm ET)
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            Was he saying that his supporters were doing it, or those opposed.
            His point was that some of those opposed were bearing false witness.
            I read your quote perfectly accurately. You were framing it as if "some folks" meant either supporters or opponents. I don't see the distinction between opponents who are lying and those that aren't in your post. I also didn't pick up on that distinction in Tantaros' speech. By all means, point out what I missed there.
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            • Author by mikehuck1976 (August 22, 2009 1:46 pm ET)
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              And please, feel free to use the Paris Business Review to refute any points you disagree with.
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            • Author by fairliberal (August 22, 2009 1:55 pm ET)
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              You didn't want to pick up the distinction. At no time did I or Tantaros use the word all. Nor was it intended. While some on the left brand all of those who attend tea parties or voice objections at town hall meetings as racists, I have not engaged in the same tactics.
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              • Author by Brabantio (August 22, 2009 2:04 pm ET)
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                Oh, so it's an unstated distinction. You mean "some", you're just not saying it. That suggests to people who can't read minds that the reference is to all opponents.

                You really have no idea what I want. If someone is unfairly criticized here, I'll defend them. I don't care who they are. You and Tantaros both are being ambiguous, while you should be specifying that Obama was talking about certain people. Otherwise, it's misleading, and that behavior deserves criticism.

                I also don't think the point about "racists" supports your cause here. Do people who make those statements say "all" people who attend tea parties or voice objections at town hall meetings are racists? If not, then you're admitting that the word is implied, just as it is for what Tantaros said.
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                • Author by fairliberal (August 23, 2009 9:48 pm ET)
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                  I quoted Obama's own words, SOME folks, and then asked if he was referring to supporters or the opposition. So my reference was directed to some of the opposition. But it is quite telling how you will argue a point like this just to draw attention away from the fact that MMFA is FOS on this issue and many others for that matter. Argue the mundane, ignore the real issue. Great job.
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                  • Author by Brabantio (August 24, 2009 12:15 am ET)
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                    Right, Obama said "some folks". You were framing that as if "some" referred to either all supporters or all opponents. There is no such thing as an implied distinction. The whole idea of making a distinction is that it's explicit for understanding. We have no idea what Tantaros' intention is here, all we know is that her phrasing is ambiguous.

                    You're lost in your own BS here. Nobody's denying that Obama said some folks were bearing false witness, so you're not refuting anything.
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              • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (August 22, 2009 5:21 pm ET)
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                You didn't want to pick up the distinction.
                One cannot pick up something that isn't there.
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              • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (August 22, 2009 6:34 pm ET)
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                At no time did I or Tantaros use the word all.

                Neither did I, Faily. Do you get it yet?
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                • Author by fairliberal (August 23, 2009 9:52 pm ET)
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                  Sure I get it and it is totally bogus, you created your own quote, made it up out of thin air. Tantaros actually stated what Obama said. That's the difference. SOP for you though, try to muddy the water when you are dead wrong. The fact that you did not use the word all is meaningless since you did not use an accurate quote to begin with. Don't you get it?
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                  • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (August 23, 2009 11:02 pm ET)
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                    I didn't quote anything, only paraphrased in a misleading way, just like Tantaros did.

                    I can't believe you still don't get it.

                    Maybe this will help; Since you think the problem is that I didn't use an "accurate quote",and that's why it's different than what Tantaros did, you should be able to provide a quote from Obama saying " People who oppose my plan are bearing false witness".
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                  • Author by Brabantio (August 24, 2009 12:22 am ET)
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                    Tantaros did not state what Obama said. Obama made it clear who he was referring to, and Tantaros did not.

                    Let's say you're commenting on sports, and while discussing a specific basketball team you say that "those players have no talent." Someone then says that you said that "basketball players have no talent." Is that fair? Are people supposed to pick up on the hidden "those" that was not included in your quote, or what? Do you see how it might come off to people that you were making a more general comment?

                    If you see a substantial difference between these scenarios, please let me know what it is.
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      • Author by nativeofsf (August 22, 2009 1:13 am ET)
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        After reading far too many of your inept screeds, F/L, you show yourself to be merely, an anarchistic whore of the crawling variety. Selah
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      • Author by The_Cat (August 22, 2009 12:55 pm ET)
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        "He did say that "some folks out there who were frankly bearing false witness". Was he saying that his supporters were doing it, or those opposed."

        Yes, he did. Some folks who are opposed are lying about what's in the bill. But you quoted the 'some folks' part of his comment, then offered two groups to pick from: supporters and opposers. Thus, you have (whether you intended to or not) tried to force people to say President Obama is either saying all opponents or all supporters are lying. This is a false framing of the comment as well as who the comment may have been referring to, fairliberal.
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        • Author by fairliberal (August 23, 2009 9:56 pm ET)
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          No, that is what MMFA is claiming, my post used his own words which included the word some, and then in effect asked if he was referring to some supporters or some opposers.
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          • Author by Brabantio (August 24, 2009 12:31 am ET)
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            No, your claimed intent is not the same as the effect. You came off like you were asking if he was talking about all supporters or all opponents, like it or not.

            Similarly, Tantaros may have intended something differently, but her ambiguous phrasing created the impression that Obama was referring to all opponents. There's really no way around that, as far as I'm seeing. You're sure not making a good effort at showing it.
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    • Author by dadre (August 22, 2009 1:57 am ET)
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      See you can't use religion to help pass a bill that will save lives but you can use religion to justify a war that will end them.
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      • Author by phredicles (August 22, 2009 2:28 am ET)
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        Exactly: Righties don't want the government used to help people; they only think it should be used to hurt people. So it's not surprising they view religion the same way.
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        • Author by foghornleghorn (August 22, 2009 2:12 pm ET)
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          Because if the government (especially a Democratic-run governemnt) ever truly helped regular people, then the Rethugs know they are toast.

          Ergo all the lies, smears, etc. etc.
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    • Author by RodzillaMccloud (August 22, 2009 6:56 am ET)
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      Obama did say someone was bearing false witness. Anyway, Obama is a moron and has no leadership ability, with everything that is going on all you guys can do is talk a who said what? Simple people are easily amused. If you want to talk about deceptive things, why don't you talk about, how he had the first town hall meeting stacked and tryed to pretend he didn't? If he'll lie about that, he'll lie about anything. I hope you nutroots people loose the majority in 2010 (I do realize that is a long time to wait and anything could happen), because we are going down hill fast with you all running the country. Just remember when Health Care Reform fails, it's not the republicans fault. It will be nutroots, MSNBC(smear merchants and haters) and the Democrats who blew it. Why? Because you all picked a leader who has no experience leading. Do you all still have a tingly feeling running down you leg like Chris Matthews did? I doubt it. You know you got a lemon in the WH.
      Later and good luck in 2010, I have a feeling you're going to need it.
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      • Author by Brabantio (August 22, 2009 1:40 pm ET)
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        Obama did say someone was bearing false witness.
        Right. The problem is that saying that Obama "said that people that opposed his plan were bearing false witness" doesn't specify who that would be, so it suggests that he was talking about all opponents.
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      • Author by eweston8542983 (August 22, 2009 1:53 pm ET)
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        As we ask so many wingnuts here, and are to often disapointed. Proof of anything you contently dribbled out would be good. The stacked meeting would be a good place to start with some.
        Our major fault seems to be thinking that Straussian/neocon stratgy might contain some comon ground with the majority of american needs.
        Its all about the party that they took over no more no less.
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      • Author by internet soldier (August 23, 2009 6:55 am ET)
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        "Because you all picked a leader who has no experience leading."

        Sure beats picking one who had reams of demolition experience. I think you know of whom I speak.
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    • Author by bradweiser (August 22, 2009 1:20 pm ET)
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      Tantaros makes a valid point. Obama won't even care for his own brother- there's no money in that. The Health Reform debate has nothing to do with improving care. As proposed, this can only overwhelm an already teetering system.
      Controlling another 20% of the economy will filter trillions of more dollars thru Washington.
      Congress will inevitably throw the baby out with the bath water. Follow the money.

      MR$ORO$
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      • Author by eweston8542983 (August 22, 2009 2:04 pm ET)
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        His brother is content to live his life as his own. Would you be short off the mark with a complaint if he was somehow supporting him and influencing his brothers life. I think not, nepotism, an tribal loyalties would probably make a show in that rant.
        Some details on how healthcare reform will do nothing for healthcare, and its strange ability to overwhelm an industry putting out a million plus a day to fight this reform.
        The examples given by medicare and medicade on government costs is not relevent to the conversation?
        Yah I see 30+ cents of each dollar spent on private health insurance going to overhead.
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      • Author by foghornleghorn (August 22, 2009 2:15 pm ET)
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        Controlling another 20% of the economy will filter trillions of more dollars thru Washington

        Got an answer for this one? (courtesy of Rep. Weiner/NY): What do insurance companies bring to the table in regards to health CARE that justifies their 30% profit/overhead?
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (August 22, 2009 5:38 pm ET)
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        Obama won't even care for his own brother
        And you can't come up with your own original thoughts. You have to recycle warmed-over idiocies that you are too ignorant to see as the lies they are.

        Try again when you have learned to read and listen for comprehension. You have a long way to go.
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        • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (August 22, 2009 6:38 pm ET)
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          Obama won't even care for his own brother

          Why are conservatives always expecting handouts for grown people? Shouldn't Obama expect his brother to pull himself up by his bootstraps and be self-sufficient?
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      • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (August 22, 2009 10:09 pm ET)
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        Tantaros makes a valid point.


        When?

        Obama won't even care for his own brother- there's no money in that


        And YOU know this how?

        The Health Reform debate has nothing to do with improving care


        And yelling, screaming and lying about pulling the plug on Grammy does what, further the debate?

        As proposed, this can only overwhelm an already teetering system.


        And if we do nothing, will the system just fix it's self?

        Follow the money.


        You might want to take your own advise and look up these folks who sponsor the groups against health-care reform. Check out who runs them and where they get their money from.

        I'll give you a couple and YOU follow the money for the rest!

        Freedom Works.
        Chairman, Dick Armey, former Republican House Majority Leader. Matt Kibbe, former Senior Economist for the Republican National Committee and president of Citizens for a Sound Economy. CSE is a powerful industry-funded think tank, promoting deregulation. It was founded by Koch Industries.

        Americans for Prosperity
        Tim Phillips, president. The AFP is the third largest recipient of funding from the Koch Family Foundations, behind the Cato Institute and the George Mason University Foundation. Before 2003, when the AFP was still named the Citizens for a Sound Economy Foundation, it received $18,460,912 in funding. 84% of that funding came from the Koch Family Foundations ($12,906,712) and the Scaife Family Foundations ($2,510,000). In mid 2009, Americans for Prosperity launched an advertising and advocacy campaign opposing U.S. health care reform named Patients United Now.

        American Majority
        Ned Ryun is the president and a former presidential writer for George W. Bush

        Let Freedom Ring
        The Sam Adams Alliance
        Patients First
        Americans for Limited Government
        American Government
        American Liberty Alliance
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    • Author by ToddCW (August 22, 2009 11:29 pm ET)
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      Besides all the back and forth I read on this thread. I just wanted to understand how the basis of spirituality is denied by conservative people. I thought one of the tenants is to help those in need. I want to help my American brothers and sisters and I suppose those who do not, should simply opt out of any national health plan that may be offered.
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