Scarborough mocks torture, says of sleep deprivation: "They do that in fraternities"
August 25, 2009 8:48 am ET
From the August 25 edition of MSNBC's Morning Joe:
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Moron Joe prattles on about things he doesn't have a clue about and his panel of the meek just nod their heads.
It wasn't just sleep depravation (something he equates with college) it was that and so much more, but Moron Joe prattles without a word of dissent.
This twit would be blubbering and giving up information after a night without his beauty rest.
That isn't when the intel is taken...during the deprivation. It is a method for "softening up". I was a volunteer for sleep deprivation studies about twenty years ago, although it was for time of useful consciousness evaluations, the study could have easily been used for information gathering tactics.
So, wise one, when is the intel "taken"? After the waterboarding?. After the fake execution? After pointing a loaded weapon or a drill at someone's head?
Please, tell us when the intel is taken.
Is there a more technical, perhaps even psychologically specific, term for the 'softening up' of someone held in custody indefinitely?
As for Mr. S' contention that if it is done in a fraternity, IT MUST be a good technique, I would like to point out that most hazing practices are illegal too. But let' put Joe on the Torture Technique advisory committee and he can suggest such classics as TT Twisters, and lighting farts. We could hang the terrists over a candle after a meal of refried beans, and let the flames gently flay the skin from their bodies. Who cares if they don't talk, because afterwords, we could force those Muslims to binge drink and urinate on their own Korans. What a laugh riot, eh Joe?
Joe, while most of us object to torture as being cruel and unusual, some of us also realize that the intelligence garnered, may not be the most reliable. But just in case that point is driven home, let's create a law that allows Media Conglomerates to torture Talking Heads during negotiations. I'LL WORK FOR FOX FOR FREE! NO, IN FACT LET ME PAY YOU TO WORK FOR FOX!
Joe! Shut your trap! Read and LEARN.. This is what we have done!!
READ IT!!
http://action.aclu.org/torturefoia/released/102405/
Detainee was found unresponsive restrained in his cell. Death was due to blunt force injuries to lower extremities complicating coronary artery disease.Contusions and abrasions on forehead, nose, head, behind ear, neck, abdomen, buttock, elbow, thigh, knee, foot, toe, hemorrhage on rib area and leg. Detainee died of blunt force injuries to lower extremities, complicating underlying coronary artery disease. The blunt force injuries to the legs resulted in extensive muscle damage, muscle necrosis and rhabomyolysis. Electrolyte disturbances primarily hyperkalemia (elevated blood potassium level) and metabolic acidosis can occur within hours of muscle damage. Massive sodium and water shifts occur, resulting in hypovolemic shock and casodilatation and later, acute renal failure. The decedent's underlying coronary artery disease would compromise his ability to tolerate the electrolyte and fluid abnormalities, and his underlying malnutrition and likely dehydration would further exacerbate the effects of the muscle damage. The manner of death is homicide.
Crime is crime and the Bush Administration ORDERED TORTURE in MY name. That offends the heck out of me. Joe's afraid that his political club is going to take an even bigger hit from this investigation.
When fraternities force sleep deprivation on pledges, it's called hazing, and it's a CRIME.
To defend one crime (torture) by likening it to another crime (hazing) isn't a very strong argument.
Otherwise, they might inadvertently start digging into the biggest crime of the Bush Administration... the unnecessary and probably illegal invasion of Iraq.
By the way, isn't anyone else getting sick of his refrain that Obama *owns* Washington now? This is a very naive view which overlooks that the Democrats are not a monolith. They are a divided party. Why does no one EVER take him on on this? Not here, not on MJ, not on MTP? Nowhere.
And also his effort to caonstantly argue equivalence between the parties as to recent things such as feeding the "birthers" or deliberately passing around misinformation and disrupting town halls. In fact this far right effort is unprecedented in U.S. history insofar as party leaders *deliberately* passing around *lies* in order to encourage wingnuts to disrupt.
In reality, this is a naive, oversimplified argument, since the Democrats are so clearly divided. Someone needs to call Joe *NAIVE* and doing an unsophisticated, highly partisan "analysis". Then watch Joe's purple rage!! this is one of Joe's pet memes and when someone goes after a pet meme he goes ballistic.
As to the equivalence argument, he is always lumping in Democratic RESPONSES to repub initiation of outrageous insults, as being equivalent. He realizes that the repub outrages hurt them -- the best way to counter that is the ridiculous argument (since he can't deny that the repub actions are outrageous) is that Democratic activities are on the same level. In fact, Democratic leaders are not spouting deliberate lies in order to get wingnuts out to disrupt and shout down rallies. This isn't happening now and never has, from Dermocrats, anywhere near the level repubs are doing it now.
Oh puhleeze!!! The hatred stirred up by the left during the past 8 years is what pushed me away from the Democratic party. I found it absolutely repulsive that our President was disrespected the way Bush was for 8 years. I also find it repulsive that the far right demonizes Obama in much the same way. The extremes of both parties are dangerous for this country. Don't sit there and moralize about how great the Democrats are after their miserable behavior over the past 8 years!
False equivalency alert!!!
For the 6,857th time - both parties are NOT the same. Bush was disrespected because he DESERVED it though his failed policies. Obama is being disrespected because he's Democrat and he's black, not because of anything he's done.
Hazing in a fraternity; if you don't like it, think its bad, you can just go home to Mom and Dad.
Sleep deprivation in a prison; if you don't like it, think its bad, you just tell them anything they want to hear, hoping it will stop.