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O'Reilly says Van Jones "reminds me of Rev. Wright. ... He's an anti-American guy, we think"

August 26, 2009 9:13 pm ET

From the August 26 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor:

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    • Author by dr. matt (August 26, 2009 9:18 pm ET)
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      There's you first problem, O'Racist, you attempted to "think". It's a well established fact that you, who reminds me of Beck, is an anti-thinking guy.
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    • Author by theSTATorg (August 26, 2009 9:27 pm ET)
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      the far right Fox "Loons" are "we think" a little insane, or at least that's "What some would say" but you know "Whatever, Whatever"
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    • Author by IRONY 101 (August 26, 2009 9:42 pm ET)
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      Beck and O'Reilly would like to see in government only people who share their white, God Bless America backgrounds and experiences. Anything else terrifies them.
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    • Author by timbo11 (August 26, 2009 10:00 pm ET)
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      So, let me get this straight fellas; just as we should be focusing on Van Jones' past (well over 10 years ago in his past) in order to judge what he is doing now and the remarkable (and quite plainly, mainstream, uplifting, and un-radical) work he has been doing for years, should we judge O'Reilly and Beck the same way? Mr. Beck, since you were a crazy alcoholic loon for many years, should every reference to you attribute the alcoholic portion of that description, stripping you of your years of sobriety (obviously not stripping you of the "crazy" and "loon" descriptor, as you continue to prove that on a daily basis; they're trying to kill you now???? come on. . .) and should that connotation, entitle you to never hold a job of any importance, like say that of a popular radio and television political talk show host? Unfortunately that is not the case for you, but unfortunately as well, that seems to be what you and the rest of your Fox News brethren are proposing for this very thoughtful, sincere and quite frankly, un-radical individual who has done nothing but positive things for the environment and the impoverished for numerous years now.
      And O'Reilly, as host of the hard-hitting Inside Edition, what qualifies you to shape the thoughts of ordinary Americans on a daily basis, with your short-sighted, ego-driven babble? Oh right, you did claim that you went to Harvard (what was that, oh right, you had to correct that to you having taken a night course there) and won a Peabody Award (oh, you didn't do that either, as Inside Edition won that after you were host of that program). So, as a lying previous host of Inside Edition, what weight does your opinion hold?
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    • Author by Bad News (August 26, 2009 10:06 pm ET)
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      Is Lynching Anti-American?
      Bill O'Reilly's exact quote " Now i don't want to go on a Lynching Party against Michelle Obama unless there's evidence, if so then we'll track it down"
      No Bill's a great guy, he calls Helen Thomas an Anti-American.
      When Mr. O'Reilly thinks of African Americans its "Hey MFer, pass the ice tea"
      Here's to you Bill, "America's Biggest Creep"

      P.S. You better believe you're on my "Poetry to Do" List.


      Mr. News
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      • Author by IRONY 101 (August 26, 2009 10:12 pm ET)
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        O'Reilly thinks Van Jones reminds him of Jeremiah Wright...because all black people look alike to him. ;>)
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        • Author by IRONY 101 (August 26, 2009 10:48 pm ET)
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          And neither Jones nor Wright have ever yelled "Hey, M-F'er, more ice tea!" in O'Reilly's presence in a black restaurant. You see, Jones and Wright have a lot in common.
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    • Author by Vincenzo (August 26, 2009 10:30 pm ET)
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      Two fellows spouting alot of words, but saying absolutely nothing worth listening to.

      Can't trust that Beck is relating what he was told by the White House or whether he did receive a response.
      Can't trust their knowledge of history.
      Can't trust their accusations.
      Can't trust anything that emanates from them.

      It is now a cliche but the people who trust these guys to form their opinions for them are the ones who are dangerous to this country.
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    • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (August 26, 2009 10:52 pm ET)
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      O'Reilly reminds me of Ted Baxter, he's a real clown guy, I think.

      Except, when compared to O'Reilly, Baxter was a shining beacon of journalism.
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      • Author by Vincenzo (August 26, 2009 11:08 pm ET)
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        Either showing your age or your love for classic TV. Just kidding! You're opinion is on the mark as usual.
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    • Author by dmhack (August 27, 2009 12:29 am ET)
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      The only thing funnier than one scared middle-aged white man talking about race are two of them.
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    • Author by roninkannushi1711 (August 27, 2009 12:56 am ET)
         
      Fellow Matterers,

      Are we shy, or cautious? I can agree with the meek inheriting the earth, but come-on now, are we meek? What is issue?

      "We...," Mr. O'Reilly? I will ask, why? Who is we, it be it? Is a fools folly, short of legend? Will a hawk, of the blind, be remembered in genesis. A wise man can only see, to the horizon. Wisdom is beyond one, that fails to ask.

      Now, I'll watch the video...

      An American contributed to a green cause...O.K!

      The past is not the now. Hugo Black, a card carrying KKK member, was sworn to the Supreme Court,(need I write it?), of the United States of America. HOO-RAH! Got to love us. If we can not support each other, in demos cratia, we fall to tyranny. Can I give a vote?

      Well, can we move on? Duh, we have cyber-mobility, why not optimize? It is the classic: who I owe, versus what I do...bla, bla, bla...

      Anyway...are we aware, and be, or must we folly? The wisdom of any society results in chaos, when acted upon by fools. Have we developed, to the point of now? I need not press for more, if not reaching fore best.

      Addsum,
      Ronin Kannushi.
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    • Author by roninkannushi1711 (August 27, 2009 12:56 am ET)
         
      Fellow Matterers,

      Are we shy, or cautious? I can agree with the meek inheriting the earth, but come-on now, are we meek? What is issue?

      "We...," Mr. O'Reilly? I will ask, why? Who is we, it be it? Is a fools folly, short of legend? Will a hawk, of the blind, be remembered in genesis. A wise man can only see, to the horizon. Wisdom is beyond one, that fails to ask.

      Now, I'll watch the video...

      An American contributed to a green cause...O.K!

      The past is not the now. Hugo Black, a card carrying KKK member, was sworn to the Supreme Court,(need I write it?), of the United States of America. HOO-RAH! Got to love us. If we can not support each other, in demos cratia, we fall to tyranny. Can I give a vote?

      Well, can we move on? Duh, we have cyber-mobility, why not optimize? It is the classic: who I owe, versus what I do...bla, bla, bla...

      Anyway...are we aware, and be, or must we folly? The wisdom of any society results in chaos, when acted upon by fools. Have we developed, to the point of now? I need not press for more, if not reaching fore best.

      Addsum,
      Ronin Kannushi.
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      • Author by Evil Conservative (August 27, 2009 9:34 am ET)
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        That was not good enough to post twice dude.
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        • Author by fairliberal (August 27, 2009 4:18 pm ET)
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          Wow, he does mention another democrat that was a member of the klan, along with the esteemed Sen Byrd. Why is it that the left is always making klan references about conservatives when it is their people who have the history wwith the klan. In fact , I seem to recall that the klan was founded by dems.
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    • Author by Digital Jedi (August 27, 2009 1:04 am ET)
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      Oooh, stereo clowns.

      Yes, I realize how nonconstructive that was. But so was this conversation.
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    • Author by ProgLib (August 27, 2009 3:13 am ET)
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      so its not about you and the 36 advertisers you lost, glenny? kind of ironic that you would be attacking a former member of the group that is getting rid of you, isnt it? cmon, cmon, cmon... who are you selling that BS to? oh thats right... the nutjobs that watch you.

      [http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk196/soms12/Glenn-beck-asshat.jpg]
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      • Author by Evil Conservative (August 27, 2009 10:09 am ET)
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        Hahaha you guys are funny...or backwards. So Glenn exposes a guy to be a Communist...the Communists former group, Color of Change, runs a campaign to boycott Glenn after the fact. Ok, so now that some companies have switched when their ads are shown on Fox continuing to make Fox and Glenn Beck very wealthy people...Glenn continues to talk about the Communist and in your world that means...

        "Kind of ironic that you would be attacking a former member of the group that is getting rid of you, isnt it? cmon, cmon, cmon... who are you selling that BS to? oh thats right... the nutjobs that watch you."

        2+2=5

        Lets play this game....Bush appoints a Gray Jobs Adviser to help create jobs that purposefully hurt the environment. That might not sound too silly to the people who seek treatment from this site, that's because I'm just trying to stay close to the narrative that you have created in your head. The Gray Jobs Adviser has been arrested in some fashion for rioting in anti-big government rallies a couple of times over the years...he has also participated in groups that include far right wingers like the David Dukes of the world and militias that haunt liberals in their nightmares. This new Gray Jobs Adviser to Bush is being outed for his beliefs on Keith Olbermann every night and then a group that the Gray Jobs Adviser helped co-found, Color of Same...if you will, begins running an active campaign to remove Olbermann through means of scarring the advertisers to advertise on his show. Now, as we all know its really the ratings that scare advertisers from advertising on Keith Olbermann but I digress...this is just a guide to sanity not a detailed map. So again Doogie, not only is your comment inaccurate it actually is the opposite reaction you would or should have, should the shoe end up on the other foot.

        2+2=4

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        • Author by mikehuck1976 (August 27, 2009 11:55 am ET)
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          Very convoluted disaster of a post, evilcon, but I'll play along. What exactly in your fantasy did Olbermann (who clearly haunts you in your nightmares, right?) say or do to deserve this boycott? Do you need us to remind you what Beck has said to deserve his? Please, let's play tit-for-tat.
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          • Author by conservtheconst (August 27, 2009 2:12 pm ET)
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            He said, "George Bush does not like black people." HA! Wait, that was Kanye. No, he said, "Fox news viewers are racist." That's the one.
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          • Author by Evil Conservative (August 27, 2009 4:29 pm ET)
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            I don't have any fantasies of or about Keith Olbermann...I have no desire to boycott Olbermann. I have no desire for him to be off the air...I hope he stays on TV forever as matter of fact. He is only being used as an example. Thats what makes the free market system and capitalism so great. If people present a bad product don't buy it. Thats what people are doing with Olbermann...his product sucks and people aren't willing to pay for it. The 9am hour of Fox has more viewers than his 8pm show. It's amazing you guys haven't learned all this in school.
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        • Author by ProgLib (August 27, 2009 8:06 pm ET)
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          first off, thanks for the little math lesson, dr evil. you would be lucky to be able to count any higher than that to save your life. second, that was a wonderful transcendent diatribe you made there as well (something that i lost interest in reading half way through), but what is your end game? are you hypothetically claiming someone will try and boycott keith olbermann because he is a big, bad evil librul? hasnt happened (yet), and probably never will because at least mr. olbermann has enough sense not to call the president, democrat or republican, a racist or compare his administration to hitler and bring up communists, facists, marxists, etc without a single shred of proof to back it up. what exactly was the reasoning or evidence for beck's "he is a racist" comment? oh yeah, because hes black. gotcha. and if olbermann really did say any of those things without some real legitimacy, he should be reprimanded, suspended, and whatever actions need to be taken. hell, look at david shuster making his "pimping out" comments about chelsea clinton, and what happened? he was suspended, given a slap on the wrist and forced to follow the mccain campaign during the primaries (ouch). the people at fox would be lucky to even get a paddle in the backside, let alone a suspension for the vitriol they spew night in and night out. old man murdoch doesnt run his troops that way... he encourages them to move forward with hate.

          and regarding the all-important ratings, that you wingnuts and fox news viewers obsess over, why would advertisers be scared of advertising on a program that gets almost 2 million viewers a night (live and repeat)? they should be scared of oreilly's program with all his hate speech and paranoia every night. he makes any advertiser out there look bad. to think why anybody is associated with him is mind-boggling, to say the least. i mean, clearly, he likes to attract all the paranoid, crazy, violent, racist, conspiracy theorist, ignorant viewers that he can... also known as: the uneducated of this country.

          stay classy, fox.
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          • Author by Evil Conservative (August 28, 2009 11:19 am ET)
               
            the uneducated of this country.

            Not that you would know this but when you typed that it was called irony.

            You can read my other posts on this thread.
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    • Author by puttforever4682 (August 27, 2009 5:28 am ET)
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      When O'Reilly says Van Jones is anti-American I think what he is saying is that Van Jones is anti white. hence the comparison to Rev Wright who scares O'Reilly since keeping Blacks out of power is paramount.
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      • Author by Evil Conservative (August 27, 2009 10:12 am ET)
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        That's dumb...it's because he's a communist moron. Keeping communists out of power is paramount. Communism is inherently anti-American.
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        • Author by magnolialover (August 27, 2009 12:58 pm ET)
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          Except, he's not a communist.

          You missed that part.
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          • Author by Evil Conservative (August 27, 2009 4:31 pm ET)
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            I'm sorry did you mean to provide proof of his renouncement of communism in between those two sentences?
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            • Author by ProgLib (August 27, 2009 8:12 pm ET)
                 
              im sorry, did you mean to provide any context of when and why he declared himself as a communist? maybe you should actually do your research on that, and get back to the drawing board there, dr. evil.
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              • Author by Evil Conservative (August 28, 2009 11:25 am ET)
                   
                Holy cow...I can almost hear the wind whistling through your ears and blowing a tumbleweed down Brain St. Do I have to spoon feed you? He was a Black Nationalist...he denounced that...he said is was a radical and communist...he hasn't denounced that. What context do you need? A definition of communism? A history lesson on the misery and destruction communism and totalitarianism has caused in the supposed name of the proletariat?

                God, that would have been a boring episode of Doogie Howser...just sitting at his computer looking at the blue screen.... "conservative bad and liberal good" "fox bad and msnbc good"...
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    • Author by magnolialover (August 27, 2009 8:16 am ET)
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      Neither Van Jones, nor Rev Wright are anti American. I mean, Jones is SO anti American, he's serving his country right now. Wright is so anti American, he served in the Marine Corps.

      Nothing either of these men has ever done has been anti American. Now I know, we'll have someone come on here, and remind us of the 30 seconds of Rev Wright we kept seeing during the campaign season last year about how he said GD America, which doens't make him anti American. If you can't criticize your own country for past slights, and racism, who can you criticize?
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    • Author by kydem09 (August 27, 2009 8:42 am ET)
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      The comments here go to show how the left is using race to demonize anyone who dares to question our current President. It's used as a fear tactic, because no one wants to be called a racist. It's used to silence free speech. You all should be ashamed of yourselves for so carelessly and freely throwing around your race baiting ideas.
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      • Author by The_Cat (August 27, 2009 9:56 am ET)
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        You are obviously failing to keep abreast of the times, kydem09. It's President Obama who is the racist, remember? And a fascist? And a communist? And anti-American? And helping the terrorists? I've seen all the 'serious' 'discussions' on FOX 'news' and the other mainstream conservative media. (The 'liberal media', a myth in the first place, is as dead as Reagan and has been since the '80s)

        In case you hadn't noticed, free speech is not being silenced. You posted a comment. I know, because I just finished reading it. I'm posting a reply. We are both free to express ourselves. Is there genuine criticism of President Obama? Yes. Do either of these two men participate in that? Not that I've seen. Do they both still have nationwide shows from which to spout their hate and lies? For the moment. Glenn Beck called our President a racist. Bill O'Reilly -is- a racist. I am free to point this out, and they are free to prove it, which they do every time they open their mouths.
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        • Author by kydem09 (August 27, 2009 11:02 am ET)
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          You have nothing but your slanted interpretation to show that Beck and O'Reilly are racists.
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          • Author by The_Cat (August 27, 2009 11:43 am ET)
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            Oh, kydem09, you came so close. I actually pointed out that Mr. Beck called our President a racist. I did not say Beck himself was a racist.

            As for Bill O'Reilly:

            http://mediamatters.org/research/200709210007

            Remember that little trip he took to Sylvia's Restaurant? Because he proved himself a racist when he recounted it. It is not a slanted interpretation, as you put it. Rather, it comes straight from the horse's... mouth.
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          • Author by mikehuck1976 (August 27, 2009 11:59 am ET)
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            Well, please enlighten us, kydem. If O'Reilly has not demonstrated himself to be racist at his suprise that blacks can conduct themselves civilly during dinner then I have to ask: what is it that makes Obama a racist?
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            • Author by Evil Conservative (August 27, 2009 4:33 pm ET)
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              Wait I'm confused...can someone explain...so does calling someone a racist constitute being a racist now? I'm just wondering since you guys seem to make the rules up as you go and I just want to make sure I keep my job.
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              • Author by The_Cat (August 27, 2009 5:09 pm ET)
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                Calling someone a racist is not enough to earn the label 'racist', no, Evil Conservative. For myself, I tend to judge on the words and actions others use when talking about and interacting with races other than their own.

                Beck called our President a racist. This doesn't make Mr. Beck a racist. His opinion is of little value, however, since he has absolutely no supporting facts.

                I believe, based on the link I provided, that Bill O'Reilly has proven himself a racist, however.
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                • Author by Evil Conservative (August 27, 2009 6:36 pm ET)
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                  Well your definition of racist is far broader than mine. What O'Reilly said, I would say is still slightly offensive...a little less so once the context of the situation and common sense are applied, but somewhat offensive none the less. Is it deserving of racist? I don't think so. It's kind of like when Barbara Boxer recently cited only black organizations to try and persuade a black member of the Black Chamber of Commerce to see her point. Was it offensive...of course...is Mrs. Boxer a racist? No. I'm just afraid you guys have watered down the meaning behind racist so much that when confronted with a real one we might not know what to do or call it.

                  As far as Beck and him calling the president a racist. I don't think the President is a racist but I think Beck was just following your system on what justifies calling someone a racist. I know that's not going to make sense to you but what I mean is that Obama has definitely made statements, accepted political doctrine, and surrounded himself with people, since his youth up to his presidency, that I believe are racially suspect, offensive, and biased. But, just like O'Reilly, this is a far cry from hating someone and thinking them inferior based only on the color of their skin.
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                  • Author by The_Cat (August 27, 2009 6:55 pm ET)
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                    I suppose it's entirely possible that the meaning of 'racist' has indeed been watered down, Evil Conservative. Admittedly, the standards for what is or is not racism are somewhat subjective, so I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

                    You mentioned President Obama's statements, and political doctrine, that lead you to think he could be called racist under the guidelines I propose. I leave off who he surrounds himself with, since guilt by association is not an acceptable argument. I would enjoy looking at a link, if you can supply one please.

                    From Merriam-Webster online, racism is:

                    a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.
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                    • Author by Evil Conservative (August 28, 2009 11:59 am ET)
                         
                      Well I could provide you with some things but the problem is that we look at life through a different prism so most of the examples I give are going to be fruitless in changing your opinion. Also to throw out "guilt by association" as you put it, which seems to give the inclination that perhaps you think he is associated with guilty people, is pointless to me. I believe you are who you surround yourself with. But I believe he, as most new progressives do, believes in social justice...which I believe is inherently racial. Exploitation of poor blacks and other lower income families by whipping up fear and anger against "the white establishment" and "the rich" has caused more suffering to them all the while weakening our free market capitalist system which so far has been the most successful form of government to the most amount of people in the history of the world. Welfare, I believe is one of the biggest scourges on our society...and the people it was supposed to help the most, it hurt the most and it has created a perpetual underclass in America made up of mostly blacks. It's sad...and I'm the one called a racist. But don't take just my word for it...

                      Welfare

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      • Author by mikehuck1976 (August 27, 2009 11:57 am ET)
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        kydem, are you being funny? Are you using satire? You do realize one of the main reasons that Beck has brought on his advertising boycott is by calling the president a racist, right? Do you not remember this? Well, think about that and read your post again. It makes you look incredibly stupid.
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    • Author by T.Paine (August 27, 2009 11:38 am ET)
         
      So who is Van Jones, anybody know? Does he claim to be a Communist?
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      • Author by magnolialover (August 27, 2009 12:59 pm ET)
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        He doesn't, although in his youth, he had some ties to groups that were communistic in nature, said groups he disavowed a long time ago.
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        • Author by T.Paine (August 27, 2009 1:18 pm ET)
             
          Fair enough, I'm new on the site. Why are the comments so vitriolic and rude? Is this a site for true discourse or is this just name calling and blame spraying? I haven't much time to track politics and I can't waste my time on partisan blather. Is this the right spot or can you recommend better?
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          • Author by puttforever4682 (August 27, 2009 3:53 pm ET)
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            trolls are not suffered gladly on this site, Many post outright false statements that have been debunked, Usually, they will just contort themselves to explain away any republican malfeasance.
            Fortunately or not Solon has not contributed for a while. He cuts the trolls no slack with great alacrity.
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            • Author by T.Paine (August 27, 2009 4:27 pm ET)
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              Okay so now I'm clear that on this site only republican malfeasance is called into question. Anyone have a site where honest discussion still exists? Have we independents become such a minority that unless we take on the far right or far left guise we have no voice? Clearly FOX and MSNBC have staked out their demographics on the far ends of the spectrum, where is there real unbiased journalism remaining? This saddens me, really. Maybe I'll just turn off this infernal thing and read a book.
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              • Author by Evil Conservative (August 27, 2009 7:32 pm ET)
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                Welcome to my world...newsbusters.org is a good site to see the opposite website to this. If you combine them like I do then you can somewhat end up somewhere in between.
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          • Author by The_Cat (August 27, 2009 5:14 pm ET)
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            T. Paine: This site is dedicated to debunking conservative misinformation in the media. There is enough conservative misinformation that MMfA has it's hands full just doing that. Things do occasionally grow heated, especially if the point in question is unusually contentious, such as health coverage reform.

            So, in answer to your question, yes, it can be quite vitriolic and rude. And yes, there are also those who provide links and facts to back up their claims, and try to remain reasonably calm, leading to true discourse. If your intention is discourse, you are heartily encouraged to hang around, and join in, whatever your affiliation. Hope this has helped.
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        • Author by Evil Conservative (August 27, 2009 4:45 pm ET)
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          That is completely untrue T.Paine...magnolialover is trying deceive you...using "in his youth" and "some ties to groups that were communistic in nature"...here watch this about Van Jones and then do your own research to find out if what is in the video is true or not. As far as I can find he has never renounced being a Marxist. Tpain at least your asking questions.

          Van Jones Video


          Brief summary for you:

          Van Jones- Special Adviser to the President on Green Jobs
          Co-Founded Colorofchange.org.

          Glenn Beck runs special on Van Jones...Colorofchange.org now trying to silence Glenn Beck.

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          • Author by The_Cat (August 27, 2009 5:17 pm ET)
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            Actually, Evil Conservative, ColorofChange got involved because Mr. Beck called our President a racist. They got in touch with his sponsors, and made sure they knew who exactly it was they were supporting. Sponsors then began pulling ads from Mr. Beck's show. Mr. Beck is -not- being silenced, at all. He is still free to say almost anything he wants. Of course, libel and slander still apply, as they do to all in the media.
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            • Author by Evil Conservative (August 27, 2009 7:19 pm ET)
                 
              Ok I will give you that. Perhaps that is the reason and if you say that is their reason then lets trust them. But your unwillingness to question even the appearance of impropriety, in a possible case of the powerful, scratch that, MOST powerful against the less powerful...seems like a liberals dream to me. But liberals haven't been running the show for awhile have they?

              You know, I just need to tell you guys something. I know most of you probably won't find any of this sincere but you will just have to take my word for it. You, the posters on MM, the people, have really changed my life and helped me grow into my philosophy behind my beliefs and principles. I'm still growing...it is hard to shake of the partisan politics from years of conditioning. I'm 27 years old and Bush was the first president I voted for, I was in boot camp at the time. Through his presidency I began to follow politics very closely. During the last 4 years of his presidency the blinders started to come off, and I started debating people on here. The_Cat's indignation to what could be going in his government, the powerful, now that "his guy" is in office, is exactly the kind of thing I have mentally started to run from. I've defended this government far too many times on issues just because I thought "my guy" was in office. I am no longer a Republican or a Democrat, conservative or liberal, and I will always keep a doubtful eye on my government now regardless of who is in power. I know my philosophy is correct because I have proof, I'm sitting on the proof right now. The one thing that, I believe, has separated us from all other countries, the reason we have the longest running constitution in the world, is that our rights come from a higher power. Now before you think this agnostic is getting all preachy on you, that higher power can be anything you like...as long as you set it and your rights above the men who run your government so they can never take them away. So I know like most my posts this was very convoluted but I just wanted to thank you, because most of the people on here are excellent to discuss politics with and you have truly helped me evolve into who I am today, politically.
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