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Jane Hall calls out Pinkerton's "myth of the right" that Wellstone memorial just "bashed Republicans"

August 31, 2009 7:35 am ET

From the August 29 edition of Fox News' Fox News Watch:

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Conservative media invoke Wellstone memorial smear in predicting politicization of Kennedy's death

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    • Author by Bad News (August 31, 2009 7:50 am ET)
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      It sounds to me that the "Right" is worried about the health care bill being re-named the Kennedy Health Care Bill.
      Why would Kennedy's name on a bill make the Right be so Shrill?
      The "Right" is scared to death that all American's might get affordable health care.
      The "Right" supporting anything that would help poor and lower income Americans is becoming increasingly Rare.

      Speak truth to power.


      Mr. News
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    • Author by jjamele2880 (August 31, 2009 8:00 am ET)
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      I have NEVER understood the criticism of the Wellstone memorial-if a dozen people booed when Lott's image came on the giant screen, or 200 booed, or EVERYONE booed, how was that significant in any way and how could it be successfully used against the Democrats?

      It was a memorial service- maybe it shouldn't be political. Maybe it should be. Who gets to pass judgment on the "proper" way to mourn someone? I happen to think that the best memorial Ted Kennedy can receive is passage of health care reform with a public option (I actually think it would be Single Payer, but I'm being realistic here.) Is that political? I thought that the best memorial JFK could receive was to move closer to a more equal society through the passage of the Civil Rights Act, Medicare, Head Start, etc. etc. Was that political?

      I don't care if an airport or Aircraft carrier gets named after Ted Kennedy. That's just meaningless, showy, and an empty gesture. Let's give Ted a real memorial by passing legislation he fought all his life for. And I don't care if that's political or not.
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    • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (August 31, 2009 8:07 am ET)
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      Jane Hall calls out Pinkerton's "myth of the right" that Wellstone memorial just "bashed Republicans"
      To paraphrase Harry Truman, at the memorial they just told the truth and the Republicans thought they were being bashed.
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    • Author by epkklk851 (August 31, 2009 8:20 am ET)
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      "If the media had been more alert to Kennedy after ChappaquiddicK, he would have ended up like Gary Condit."
      Let's see, the Liberals are playing "The Death Card" if they use Kennedy's name on a bill that he has worked nearly 40 years to acheive and the bill is a "stinker" and Liberals used Paul Wellstone's funeral to bash Republicans, even though it was only one of eight eulogies that was angry towards Republicans/Conservatives, but Liberals are the scheming cynics, while Republicans are just the innocent victims of their machinations. Yeah, Right! And all the slant and trash talk from them is a figment of my imagination. And what exactly does speculation about what might have happened with Chappaquiddick have to do with the Wellstone funeral or health care. I was keenly aware of the Chappaquiddick scandal, even though I was nine and living in Oregon, and may I remind that gentleman that Gary Condit had NOTHING to do with Chandra Levy's tragic murder, but the press, and I am sure that Fox was in the front row with the tar and feathers, murdered his political career in their zealousness to prove him guilty. Yes, he did sleep with her, and while that was a violation of his marriage vows, it wasn't illegal and it didn't kill her. So shame on Fox, once again.
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      • Author by jjamele2880 (August 31, 2009 8:23 am ET)
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        This guy seems angry that Kennedy was able to have a political career despite being called a "murderer" by a certain band of lunatics for forty years. Unlike Gary Condit, whose political career was ruined because he didn't have the proper facial expression during a tv interview and "looked creepy," besides being unfortunate enough to have had an affair with a woman who ended up being murdered by SOMEONE ELSE.
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        • Author by epkklk851 (August 31, 2009 8:46 am ET)
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          I never saw the TV coverage, I was overseas and working, so the morning airings of the "evening news" was not viewable for me. I only read about the case, but I was from California, and I knew of his involvement with Willie Brown, who was the Speaker of the California State House, and then later mayor of San Francisco. He and Condit shared a reputation as ladies men. Overseas, we used to call that "horn dogs." It wasn't a flattering portrait, but that doesn't make him a murderer. Chappaquiddick dogged Teddy for the rest of his life, I don't know if he should have been charged with a crime or not, but he had to live with the speculation, and unlike Condit, he was never vindicated, the suspicion was always there. In the end, he is gone and will have to face God in judgement. A far more powerful judgement than Fox News or public opinion and private whispers.
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      • Author by dr. matt (August 31, 2009 8:42 am ET)
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        What that little teabagging nerd should have said, "If the media had been less alert to Gary Condit, he would have ended up like Scarborough after finding a dead intern in his office."
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        • Author by epkklk851 (August 31, 2009 9:10 am ET)
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          Actually, I only heard about that death because of things I read here. It says he was exonerated on Wikipedia, but I don't know, guess the speculation is keeping him from returning to politics, I am sure it would come up again if he returned to politics.
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          • Author by dr. matt (August 31, 2009 9:35 am ET)
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            I remember the Gary Condit fiasco like it was yesterday. It was our librul media at work. He was scrutinized day-and-night by every pundit. He was all but convicted by the public court of opinion. Then 9/11 happened and the Levy case was placed on the far back burner.
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          • Author by vysotsky (August 31, 2009 9:37 am ET)
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            Remarkable, isn't it? A young woman dies in Scarborough's office and the "liberal media" responds by... not sensationalizing the story, not trashing the man's reputation, and giving him a job on MSNBC. Meanwhile, Rush Limbaugh is still referencing the conspiracy theory about how the Clintons killed Vince Foster 16 years after his suicide.

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            • Author by epkklk851 (August 31, 2009 10:08 am ET)
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              Well, I have to say that Rush isn't the only one on that cruise. I worked with a teacher who was also convinced that no only had they murdered Vince Foster, they were responsible for Ron Brown's death, too. I remember shots being taken at the White House because of all the animosity created by Conservatives. I was actually touring the Treasury Department when one of the shooting instances accured in December of 1994. My family had come out to D.C. to show the Capitol to my children. We came out of the tour and there were police everywhere. This was one of three incidents that year. I worry for President Obama sometimes.
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      • Author by BillJ-MN (August 31, 2009 10:30 am ET)
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        ... Liberals used Paul Wellstone's funeral to bash Republicans, even though it was only one of eight eulogies that was angry towards Republicans/Conservatives - epkklk851

        I watched it and I don't remember ANYONE speaking angrily about republicans or conservatives. If you're thinking of Rick Kahn, who made the strange plea to republicans to help win the election for Wellstone, I don't recall any bashing of anyone in his speech.

        For the record, I understand that the part I quoted from you wasn't your opinion of the memorial. I just wanted to address the "one of eight" portion.
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        • Author by epkklk851 (August 31, 2009 12:41 pm ET)
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          Well thanks for sharing your memories. I remember Senator Wellstone dying, but was overseas, so I didn't see any of the media coverage. My memories of the written coverage were that he was very popular with his constituents and they mourned him greatly. Armed Forces Radio and Television Service (AFRTS) used to be very heavy on Fox News coverage on cable and short, short segments from CNN Headline. I saw a lot of the Kennedy coverage, I wonder how they will spin that? From personal experience, some Conservatives will be really rude and nasty and then blame the Liberal for being angry, when in actuality, the Liberal wasn't angry until they were treated rudely. Rush is really good at tarring with that brush, but I have experienced first hand from regular people like me.
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      • Author by rms (August 31, 2009 12:43 pm ET)
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        "If the media had been more alert to Kennedy after Chappaquiddick, he would have ended up like Gary Condit."

        This is obviously a very young, very out-of-touch man. The degree to which this was covered by the media almost dwarfed The Moon Landing, the Manson Murders, and Woodstock.

        I would put this down to the usual "my Fox audience is the most uninformed group of people in the United States. I can get away with any nonsense I want to spew forth." SOP.
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    • Author by MickD (August 31, 2009 8:48 am ET)
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      It is the smug know-it-all-ness that always gets me in these Fox panels. That must be the first instruction at the Karl Rove Ranger School -- no matter how extreme the view, always make it look like it's the last word.
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    • Author by dmhack (August 31, 2009 9:09 am ET)
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      I love how the right is so ready and willing to forget the past eight years of the Bush administration and tell the left to stop looking back when it's all the right does---Clinton's 8 years, Carter, Kennedy and Wellstone---over and over.

      And when it comes to Wellstone, they never talk about Coleman's crass opportunism during that time. That they seem more than happy to forget too while embracing lies about a memorial.

      Al Franken wrote movingly and honestly about the memorial (he seemed better informed because he was actually there) and also gives an accounting of the Coleman's crass response to the events.

      What I take away from Franken's account are two things---Coleman only got one term for all his slimy tactics and, in the end, the man who replaced him was Al Franken.
      Karma... you gotta love it.
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      • Author by MickD (August 31, 2009 10:13 am ET)
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        Brilliant, DM, karma seems to be the one thing that Repub propagandists can't "message-control."
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