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Carlson, who has said he assaulted man who "bothered" him in restroom, discusses "violence based on sexual orientation"

August 31, 2009 9:48 am ET

From the August 31 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends:

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Previously: Carlson claimed that after incident in a public bathroom, he assaulted the man who "bothered" him

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    • Author by SLRTX (August 31, 2009 9:55 am ET)
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      These two "manly dudes" seem to do a lot of talking, when all they are really saying is - "we should continue to discriminate against gays, because we consider the gay lifestyle 'deviant behavior'".

      Discrimination against gays is deviant behavior.
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    • Author by pilotshark (August 31, 2009 9:58 am ET)
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      So you mean you like playing assault games >>> was larry griag you favor play partner.
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    • Author by dexteritas0071418 (August 31, 2009 10:00 am ET)
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      Soooo..soliciting sex in a public restroom is only a homosexual thing, and it's ok if it's a homosexual thing, so therefore based on the fact that Tucker allegedly assaulted the man who did something to him in the public restroom, he's anti-gay and unable to speak on the issue?

      (I know most of you think he shouldn't/can't speak on the issue, but do you reasonably think so because of the alleged incident in high school?)
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      • Author by vysotsky (August 31, 2009 10:14 am ET)
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        You know, dexteritas0071418, you make a compelling point. The moment we surrender the freedom to physically assault anyone who 'bothers' us for doing 'something' in a bathroom, the Republic is lost. Is there anything more fundamental to a democracy than being able to beat people for being the wrong thing or saying the wrong thing?
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        • Author by Victor Colorado (August 31, 2009 10:18 am ET)
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          Go easy, vysotsky, dexteritas0071418 only allegedly supports group assault of someone based on sexual orientation.
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          • Author by dexteritas0071418 (August 31, 2009 10:39 am ET)
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            Are you alleging that, Victor?
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            • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (August 31, 2009 10:44 am ET)
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              You've already confirmed it.
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              • Author by dexteritas0071418 (August 31, 2009 10:48 am ET)
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                I have not. Nice for you to be in the comfort of your basement and underwear while anonymously slandering (or libeling) others.
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                • Author by dr. matt (August 31, 2009 10:52 am ET)
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                  You need to get out of your basement, while in your underwear, and discover the true meanings of 'slander' and 'libel'.
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                  • Author by dexteritas0071418 (August 31, 2009 10:58 am ET)
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                    slander: words falsely spoken that damage the reputation of another

                    libel: a false and malicious publication printed for the purpose of defaming a living person

                    I suppose posting counts as writing, so libel is the more appropriate. And since Easy falsely and maliciously alleges that I advocate violence against gays, that's what he's doing.
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                    • Author by dr. matt (August 31, 2009 10:59 am ET)
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                      You are an anonymous "poster". Neither apply, doofus. Change your panties now.
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                      • Author by achrispage6992 (August 31, 2009 12:09 pm ET)
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                        Well it wouldn't apply in terms of the law as it is written (he couldn't sue) but come on, what then would you call it if one person makes a false assertion about another person at this site, to simply insult or defame that person? Just curious as to how you would define such an action.
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                      • Author by congero6189599 (August 31, 2009 2:18 pm ET)
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                        ZAP! BONG! #$%@! ZOW! SNAP! BINGO!
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            • Author by vysotsky (August 31, 2009 12:45 pm ET)
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              Good one, dexteritas0071418. Speaking of allegations, let's return to something you said:
              "...so therefore based on the fact that Tucker allegedly assaulted the man who did something to him in the public restroom..."

              You're aware that the person who alleged this was Tucker Carlson, yes?

              I very much appreciate your commitment to absolute freedom, even to the extent of violence. Naturally, you must have no problem with gay people beating up heterosexuals for looking at them the wrong way.
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        • Author by dexteritas0071418 (August 31, 2009 10:37 am ET)
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          I'm not advocating violence at all..you moonbats are really into dodging the point when it's inconvenient to your lynch mob mentality.
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          • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (August 31, 2009 10:45 am ET)
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            Nice job of projection there. You uphold Carlson's right to beat someone, yet we're a "lynch mob."
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          • Author by Victor Colorado (August 31, 2009 10:47 am ET)
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            Ha, name-calling, well done! The point is that Carlson candidly told a TV audience that he and his friends assaulted a gay man who bothered him and, as such, his discussing "violence based on sexual orientation" is without value.
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            • Author by dexteritas0071418 (August 31, 2009 10:51 am ET)
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              He "assaulted" a man who had previously assaulted him, who was also lying in wait to assault others, who happened to be gay.
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              • Author by Victor Colorado (August 31, 2009 11:00 am ET)
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                If you give more credence to the lawerly statement an MSNBC spokeswoman issued on Carlson's behalf, then yes. Regardless, he still told a TV audience that he and his friends assaulted a gay man who bothered him and, as such, his discussing "violence based on sexual orientation" is without value.
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                • Author by dexteritas0071418 (August 31, 2009 11:05 am ET)
                     
                  I respect your opinion.
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                  • Author by vysotsky (August 31, 2009 1:12 pm ET)
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                    Of course you do. That's because you're a perfectly rational and reasonable person. You just question why someone should be criticized for beating a person for physically assaulting another person for doing "something". I don't know if you're American, but if you are, as Sean Hannity would say, you are a Great American.
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                    • Author by vysotsky (August 31, 2009 1:23 pm ET)
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                      Pardon me -- I misspoke. Strike "for beating a person". I rephrased myself and forgot to delete what I had written. As a perfectly reasonable and rational person, I'm sure you'll understand and respect that.
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      • Author by worrierking (August 31, 2009 10:21 am ET)
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        Since 99% of public restrooms are either men's rooms or women's rooms, isn't it implied that any sexual solicitation would be homosexual?

        And if someone of the opposite sex was in the wrong room soliciting sex, wouldn't that person be subject to arrest?

        Tucker has made it known that he prefers we continue to discriminate against non-heterosexuals.
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        • Author by kydem09 (August 31, 2009 11:09 am ET)
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          "Tucker has made it known that he prefers we continue to discriminate against non-heterosexuals."

          From what orifice did you pull that little nugget? Beating up someone in high school who sexually assaulted you in a bathroom doesn't constitute gay bashing.
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          • Author by tman418 (August 31, 2009 5:13 pm ET)
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            Carlson didn't say he was "sexually assaulted", just "bothered".
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      • Author by magnolialover (August 31, 2009 10:29 am ET)
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        Was Mr. Carlson assaulted by this person who was bothering him, or was this person just bothering him? Because if the other person laid a hand on Mr. Carlson, then I agree, he has a right to protect himself. Thing is, it doesn't sound like he was being assaulted and reacted violently to someone who was gay, mostly, because the guy was gay and maybe was hitting on him?

        If women attacked men who were hitting on them, when they didn't want it, good lord, there would be millions of assaults per day.

        Tucker is anti gay because he beat someone down just because he was gay.

        Nobody said anything about him not speaking on this issue, it's just interesting to see his violent reaction to a gay person.
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        • Author by dexteritas0071418 (August 31, 2009 10:39 am ET)
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          "Tucker is anti gay because he beat someone down just because he was gay."


          Did he say that?
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          • Author by magnolialover (August 31, 2009 10:53 am ET)
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            What assault did this man commit on Tucker before he beat him down? He didn't assault Carlson at all.

            He beat the guy because he came on to him.
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            • Author by dexteritas0071418 (August 31, 2009 10:58 am ET)
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              Wrong. Read what Tucker wrote to MMfA, which is posted on the original article.
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              • Author by magnolialover (August 31, 2009 11:05 am ET)
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                So... It happened, and he left the restroom. While a whole 30 minutes later, he comes back, with friends this time, and THEN assaults the guy. Yeah, that's pretty much gay bashing, and he (the man in the bathroom) didn't deserve it.

                So in that 30 minute timeframe, he could have, called the police and reported it, or told someone else who was an authority figure what happened, but instead, he went back, 30 minutes later, and assaulted this guy.

                I'm not wrong at all. He beat someone up, many minutes after the fact, which makes it worse.
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                • Author by dexteritas0071418 (August 31, 2009 11:26 am ET)
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                  I'm not saying anyone deserves a bashing, but the guy wasn't still in the bathroom because he felt nature calling.
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                  • Author by hisroyalmattness (August 31, 2009 11:41 am ET)
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                    Then Dex you are saying Carson and his friend was wrong attacking this gentleman. Carson had no right to physically attack him is what you are saying. You are also saying that he was in no physical danger when he came back to attack this gentleman. If he was in no physical danger then why did he attack him? Could it be Carson is not secure enough in his sexuality that he felt his identity threaten? Was he tempted by this gentlemen’s proposal and wanted to prove to himself he is a heterosexual.
                    Going back to attack someone, with backup, 30 minutes after they ask if you want to do something is borderline sociopathic. Saying it is only borderline is being nice. He had so many different ways to handle the situation yet he choose to attack him. He made the decision it was not in anger.
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                • Author by kydem09 (August 31, 2009 2:42 pm ET)
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                  Or for goodness sake, this happened when Carlson was in high school. How many irrational things did you do in high school?
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                  • Author by hisroyalmattness (August 31, 2009 3:40 pm ET)
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                    A thought out attack which he still defends is not something he will see as irrational. How he talks about it he sounds proud of it, again this leads to he does not see it as irrational.
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                  • Author by tman418 (August 31, 2009 5:15 pm ET)
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                    I think "irrational things" that can be overlooked in one's high school years can include drugs, flunking, or unprotected (consensual) sex. But not aussaulting someone for their sexual orientation.
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          • Author by epkklk851 (August 31, 2009 11:03 am ET)
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            As Carlson explained, "I went back with someone I knew and grabbed the guy by the -- you know, and grabbed him, and...hit him against the stall with his head, actually.... And then the cops came and arrested him." This is from Wikipedia. Carlson says he was grabbed, if he was assaulted, he should have called the police immediately, if he was grabbed, he should have waited for the arrest, instead, he went back with a friend and hit the guy, that sounds a bit vicious if you ask me, and it is by his own admission. I would not want Tucker Carlson around my children, I would be afraid he would do something like that again.
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            • Author by dexteritas0071418 (August 31, 2009 11:27 am ET)
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              hilarious
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              • Author by princeofwheels (August 31, 2009 11:41 am ET)
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                Would it have been okay for Tucker to do more than just beat the guy...why not take it a step further or did beating him already take it a step further?
                No excuses for Tucker. This could have been handled by this supposedly intelligent Tucker guy in a far different manner by Tucker decide he was gay. Thus the beating took place.
                Plain and simple
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              • Author by epkklk851 (August 31, 2009 11:48 am ET)
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                What do you find hilarious? I've been grabbed by boys when I was younger, I didn't go back with a friend and slam them around. In fact, when I told the principal, Mr. Jacobson, he told me boys were like that and to hit them the next time. The trouble was, the boys would grab and run, and the shock was slow to wear off. If I can manage being grabbed without violence or adult intervention, why didn't Mr. Carlson? Because Mr. Carlson hates Gays and could get away with it, and I was just a nice girl.
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    • Author by dmhack (August 31, 2009 10:04 am ET)
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      Hide the children, lock the doors... the gay agenda is back!
      This warning coming from two guys wearing pretty jaunty yellow ties.
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      • Author by dr. matt (August 31, 2009 10:28 am ET)
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        An election must be coming up. Expect more of "We are a Christian Nation" and "Obama is taking away my guns" over the next 12 months.

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    • Author by kydem09 (August 31, 2009 10:06 am ET)
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      This appears to be a non-issue story. Many people have done hot-headed things in their high school years. And the fact is, he did what he did because he was sexually assaulted. I think any reasonable person can understand that.
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    • Author by vysotsky (August 31, 2009 10:07 am ET)
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      Oh the horror. Children will be taught that sexuality isn't a reason to harass and beat a person. Another case of political correctness run amok. Pretty soon they'll be saying that we shouldn't harass or beat up anybody!
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    • Author by jmille426471 (August 31, 2009 10:15 am ET)
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      Yeah I showed that bathroom pest, and the great thing was that I was much stronger than him because he was only 12 years old.
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    • Author by Übermensch (August 31, 2009 10:15 am ET)
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      Carlson, who has said he assaulted man who "bothered" him in restroom, discusses "violence based on sexual orientation"

      This read weird...I think it's missing something. Maybe "Carlson, who has said he assaulted A man who...
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      • Author by vysotsky (August 31, 2009 10:23 am ET)
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        As Glenn Beck would point out, you're right, there is a missing letter here. And that letter is "A", because you can't talk about this position on equal rights and protections for homosexuals without the word asinine.
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    • Author by hisroyalmattness (August 31, 2009 10:22 am ET)
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      Why do people have a problem with people saying that gay families are OK? It is amazing that they have a problem with how other people live their life. A gay family is not a controversial issue. People living their life how they deem fit while not harming anyone else is freedom and liberty are about.
      All the controversy is coming from people who want to impose their values on others. Conservatives spend too much time and effort in worrying about other people’s life. Allowing people to live their life how they deem fit is not imposing beliefs on anyone else. It is just allowing people to have the choice to do so if they want to. If they spend the time teaching their children we live in a diverse country which is founded with the basic rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
      The government spending time in education educating students the fundamental of our society is not political propaganda. It is also not impeding on the freedom and rights other people either. It is actually just doing a function of the government. Part of what government should do is informing the citizens of what is its society identity. The government is responsible of ensuring civics is taught. How can someone who the rights and the duties which come with citizenship if they are not taught it.
      As long as the right can lay claim of being the party of morals we will always have to spend time defending people rights. As long as they keep the authoritarians in charge and think freedom is only allowing what they think is morally right should be allowed they will be able to direct the political conversations in this countries. Once they lose this then people will actually be able to spend time looking into the real issues.
      People like Carson love these issues for they get the talk away from what is important. They know they can use these hot topic issue to gain support for the agenda which they want to push forward in this country.
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    • Author by captfoster2 (August 31, 2009 10:23 am ET)
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      I could care less about Tucker Carlson, but I have to say that it does not surprise me to find this twit on Fox Noise!

      Like Glenn Beck before him, ol' Tuck proves that the dumbing down of our media continues to this day...

      And um dexteritas0071418, Where did MMfA say in their commentary that Tucker is not allowed to speak about this particular issue?? It sounds to me like MMfA is simply pointing out another right-wing hacks hypocrisy as it pertains to the given issue.

      Maybe if Tuck were to have had full disclosure, to put context in, might have done the trick? I admit that is was several years ago, the incident from high school, but he could have used his 'bully pulpit' to show his own regret and plead that it is wrong to react as he did then? That violence against those that are 'different' is wrong...
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      • Author by dexteritas0071418 (August 31, 2009 10:41 am ET)
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        Again, you're implying the violence occurred because the guy was gay, not because he accosted Tucker. Tucker didn't say that.
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      • Author by dexteritas0071418 (August 31, 2009 10:44 am ET)
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        Did you read the whole original article or just the headline? Tucker notes that he didn't do anything because the guy was gay, he did it because was assaulting teenagers. Is it ok to assault teenagers if you're gay? Does being gay make assaulting a male teenager different than if a male was assaulting a female teenager, for example?

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        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (August 31, 2009 10:48 am ET)
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          Tucker notes that he didn't do anything because the guy was gay, he did it because was assaulting teenagers.
          That's probably the way he remembers it now.
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          • Author by dexteritas0071418 (August 31, 2009 10:52 am ET)
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            It's really not easy for you to refute anyone, you just take a dump and then convert it into letters that you then type into the MMfA comment box.
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            • Author by snoopy (August 31, 2009 12:32 pm ET)
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              Maybe you should round up a few friends and corner him and beat him to a pulp later. That's justice, reich?
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              • Author by dexteritas0071418 (August 31, 2009 1:13 pm ET)
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                Cool comment. Find where I wrote "so it was ok to assault him back."
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                • Author by vysotsky (August 31, 2009 1:42 pm ET)
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                  Awesome comment. Nay, rad even. You never said such a thing. You merely questioned why anyone would take issue with a person who physically assaulted someone for doing 'something'.
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    • Author by epkklk851 (August 31, 2009 10:35 am ET)
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      In 1966, I lived in a working class neighborhood in a small town in Oregon. There was a Gay couple in our neighborhood. My mother was always nervous about their presence, but I never knew why until I was in my teens. From the part of a small child, their house was one of the neatest in the neighborhood, they bought my Girl Scout cookies, and let me pet their Basset hound. I understand they used to have rows and roar out of the neighborhood in opposite directions in their sportscars. This small town was very intolerant, I have no idea if the neighbors ever made it hard for them, but I am sure that some did. I remember learning that "Queer" was a great nasty name for someone around the third grade. I didn't even understand what it meant but I knew it was powerful and wouldn't get your mouth washed out like other swear words. I can tell you that homophobia is still rampant in schools amongest the students and even a few parents. I worked with a high ranking Girl Scout leader who would froth at the mouth if someone mentioned someone being Gay. At the time, someone had come from the Corporate office in New York and she said we needed to serve all girls, regardless of race, faith, or sexual orientation. The leader sputtered and fussed for HOURS after that speech! I was appalled. It turns out, someone in my family is Gay. You have to love and accept them, and you want to see them loved and accepted. It isn't any different for children who are different in some other way. They are here and they need to be dealt with as they are, not as you would like them to be. Tucker once beat someone for making an advance at him, he has an agenda, too, but we aren't beating him up, are we.
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    • Author by New Frontier (August 31, 2009 10:36 am ET)
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      Carlson: "Basic education is blown right past". That oughta be the slogan for Fox News Channel. That, or "Tune in to Fox and have your prejudices validated".
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    • Author by shaggles (August 31, 2009 11:10 am ET)
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      Tucker seems like a big wuss. I find it hard to believe he assaulted anyone.
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      • Author by Cannonball (August 31, 2009 11:46 am ET)
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        Note that he went back with several other people to assualt the gay man. Then he said he grabbed him by the neck and hit his head against the stall. Really? I'm betting he and his friends confronted the man, who defended himself from them when they tried to grab him and his head hit the stall in the confrontation. I'd wager that Tucker was one of several of his friends who had a hand on this person during the scrabble. Doesn't sound all that tough in that context, but much more realistic.

        I have many gay friends, none of which would ever hang around a public restroom to solicit. I agree with Tucker that this person, if he was hanging around the bathroom (and still there 30 minutes later when Tucker returned with his posse) is, in fact, engaging in unwanted solicitation. Men deserve to be able to take a pee without being hit upon by some creepy guy in the bathroom. That is not gay-bashing. Self respecting gay men would never engage in that kind of behavior. If this guy was hangin outside the girl's bathroom doing the same thing to the women, he'd get an @sskicking even sooner.

        I just can't give Tucker credit for being manly. If the police were coming to investigate, he and his pals should have stayed out of it. If he's guilty of something, it is criminal assault and vigilantism. He can't claim self-defense if he escaped 30 minutes ago and returned with help. The police should have grabbed him and his friends, too. BTW, the charge against the first guy would likely be solicitation and distrubing the peace, both misdemeanors. Tucker's charges would be felony assault and battery.
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      • Author by princeofwheels (August 31, 2009 11:48 am ET)
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        Maybe Tucker was the one hanging around the bathroom and no one defended him after some guys came back and beat him.
        Really, how does anyone trust this character?
        (Did I just sound like a Republican?), If so, shoot me.
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      • Author by overmars jr. (August 31, 2009 8:02 pm ET)
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        That was my first thought, too.
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