Fox & Friends advances faulty idea of Democratic "double standard" in outrage over Wilson's outburst
September 10, 2009 8:49 am ET
From the September 10 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends:
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Doocy asks, "was there outrage there?" when herr dubyah was called a liar. ARE YOU KIDDING, moron?! You and your colleagues called those people "traitors" and "terrorist sympathizers"
Is THAT what you're looking for Dr. Matt?
You are a fine representative of the democratic party - Everything is ok, as long as it's not an opposing view. If it is ... look out! That's when you dems REALLY pull out your armor.
The armory differs, and is seemingly dependent on the level of education and intellegence.
At the top of that political "social ladder", are the people with their heads in the clouds, whose weapon of choice is obscure rhetoric disguised as "truth". Or, in other words, LIES.
In the middle are the ones who have their heads in a hole in the ground, and choose that (ineffective) weapon of minimizing the vast opposition. They do so by claiming that expressions of concern and the exercising of one's Libery is "just a few righ-wing nazis", "astroturf ... not grass-roots", and "not representative of the Nation".
And, at the bottom, sigh, we find that the only weapon left available is "name-calling", and it is populated by people who have their heads stuck "where the "sun don't shine".
Reading your post leaves no question as to which rung of the ladder you are on. It DOES, however, make one question why you would choose such a username. Maybe you DO have just a touch of the malady that afflicts those at the top of the ladder after all.
The sad thing about this particular ladder structure, is that the current President of the United States has a place on each tier.
Liar.
You mean, shallow rhetoric like that, polljc?
Why don't you start with a good English grammar text? Pay particular attention to the sections titled "Punctuation" and "Run-On Sentences."
The sad thing about your particular ladder structure is that you have so many people concentrated on only three steps.
No. Fail.
Try again.
Once again, teabagging hicks fails to make a reasonable analogy/
You should be embarrassed for you pathetic & marginalized party. There's a good reason why you're a permanent minority.
Once again, I'll ask the following: You terrorist teabaggers, PLEASE find a clip where a Democratic Politician shouted out at herr dubyah while he gave an address in the Chamber.
puppy has some very weird and spooky obsession with me....and we do have proof of that.
You mean like the reich-wing calling the president and the left "terrorists, communists, fascists, Marxists, traitors, etc"? Jebus, are you really this dense? Or, did you fall off the ladder all together?
The GOP has shown itself to be an embarrassing disgrace to our nation - again.
In order to have a proper analogy, a democrat would have had to have shouted "LIAR" at President Bush when he was addressing both houses of Congress, since that didn't happen, ever, then they fail horribly at trying to equate the 2.
It's funny that they pull Pelosi's name into this whole thing, as it really makes no sense at all.
Of course, they totally ignore that what Wilson was yelling about was a lie from him. There is NO coverage for illegal aliens in the current proposed bill (one bill hasn't even been finished yet). What I heard from some kooks this morning is that, sure, there is no coverage for illegal aliens in the proposed bill, but, after they pass this one, they might pass an amnesty bill, therefore making all illegal aliens legal citizens, and THEN we'll have to cover them.
I mean, the stretching these people do is utterly amazing.
Wilson was an idiot in his outburst, and indeed, appears he thought he was at a townhall meeting. Sadly enough, in South Carolina where he's from, he'll be hailed as a "hero" and for "telling it like it is". He'll win reelection with NO problems.
I sleep just fine especially now that a pro-American President resides at the White House. :)
Is there any republican they won't defend?
BTW, fellas...Nancy Pelosi questioning whether the CIA told her about torture is quite different from shouting "You lie!" to the President of the United States during a speech to Congress.
And teabagging hicks were demanding that Pelosi step down from her position. Yup....double standard indeed.
He yelled "You lie!" but what he really wanted to yell was "Shut up ni**er".
I thought I did. But here it is again in a nutshell:
Not all Republicans are racists, but most racists are Republicans.
This has been concretely reinforced over the last 8 months, especially this week with the racist teabaggin' parents who felt the need to shield their children from the evil powerful black man. They just can't stand the black man being in the White House. But I guess in your mind unless someone comes right out and calls Obama a "ni**er", then there is no racism at all.
By the way, did you hear that more than 50% of people in Kentucky don't think Obama is a US citizen? That's kind of a red state filled with a majority of REPUBLICANS.
Voting for and supporting a black president is now defined as "racist"? Brilliant "logic".....only the teabagging reich-wing could come up with such a notion.
1) Speaker Pelosi was telling the truth: The CIA -had- been lying.
2) Democrats were telling the truth: President Bush -did- lie.
3) NO ONE has ever called the President of the United States a liar during an address to the assembled Congress in this way before as far as we know.
4) It may seem a small thing, but Mr. Wilson serves the state of South Carolina, not Illinois. Did you guess wrong, or were you trying to put this malcontent in President Obama's home state for some other reason?
I understand that you are willing to defend Republicans no matter what they do. It's why there will be quotes around 'News'. Congratulations, you've earned them.
Right now on Sirius, Kilmeade and the hick Judge are defending Joe Wilson. Unbelievable and embarrassing.
How About Censure!!
Oh And not Sure this is correct but anyone what to Check?
Joe Wilson is a Colonel in the US Army Rsrv. Acc to Article 88,UCMJ, offense punishable by court-martial:
“Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.”
Elements.
(1) That the accused was a commissioned officer of the United States armed forces;
(2) That the accused used certain words against an official or legislature named in the article;
(3) That by an act of the accused these words came to the knowledge of a person other than the accused; and
(4) That the words used were contemptuous, either in themselves or by virtue of the circumstances under which they were used. Note: If the words were against a Governor or legislature, add the following element
(5) That the accused was then present in the State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession of the Governor or legislature concerned.
him when he was president. Hence the double standard is real.
Oh wait, that never happened.
"The Dems did call George W. Bush a liar and even booed
him when he was president. Hence the double standard is real."
We encourage all kinds to MMfA... even trolls...
But what we all ask for is proof to accusations or insinuations!
So I am demanding that you give examples or please stop wasting our time in here! Or do you only care about the $50 a pop each time you post unprovable idiocy?
I don't expect williaminny to notice this fact that this does not constitute a double standard.
Now, if someone can show me where and when a dem did this while Bush was addressing a joint session of Congress (they can't), I'll concede the double standard.
Someone get Gretchen an eye exam already.
As opposed to calling out the elected idiot and putting the jerk in his place!
Only Fixed News can be so Fair and Balanced.
There is no damn way I can be convinced otherwise that Fox Noise's reaction, had this been an elected Democrat doing this to Bush would have been some of the most disgusting fake outrage ever performed by these circus clowns!
To prove the point... in another thread about Joe Wilson's outburst, some pathetic troll actually tried to say that Code-Pink yelling out to Bush that he was a criminal during a speech is somehow an equivalent to an elected official of Congress yelling out 'liar' to Obama!
Secondly, it wasn't the LIAR reference, it was the manner in which it was done. It was done during a SPEECH not a conference. It's like school, you wait your damn turn.
Everyone knows had a Democrat called Bush a liar during an address to congress, Fox/GOP would have crapped themselves in an apoplectic rage unseen in modern times.
These elected birthers and teabaggers have made congress into the Springer show. They should be ashamed if sham is something they could feel.
I was embarrassed for my countrymen after the crazy rage against the POTUS speaking to school kids. Didn't think the Republicans would be able to top that so soon.
...or if any congressman had actually yelled anything at Bush it would be 24/7 Fox fodder. Funny, there doesn't seem to be any video of this happening.
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/industries.php?cycle=Career&cid=N00024809&type=I
You can go ahead and show disagreement, but you accuse someone of lying should be left for time of debate, not speeches.
Nancy Palosi did say that the CIA is liers and called the dumb teabaggers terroists.
I can remember that Berry Goldwater did say the CIA lied to him and he was a Republican, but Fox Snooze would not know that.
Also dumb as a box of rocks Sarah Palin (Republican) suggested Obama was a terroist and people still to this day heckle him about it. Even Foe Wilson last night. A big FAIL for Fox Snooze!
Man with gun
OT, but thought I'd put it up.
Geez, gun-toting loons, the second amendment gives you the right to bear arms, but this is just plain lunacy if holding a gun is going to get your point across. If anything it is going to make your voice moot.
During most of the state of the union addresses, there are all kinds of displays from both sides of isle. As far as the comment and sign, they illustrate the fact that the majority of Americans are afraid of reform because no bill as yet has be presented, including after last night's speech. The information that has come from people actually reading the bill is what is frightening Americans and undermining any credibility that he has.
The video clip that 'Freedom Zoro' identified shows a period of booing by the democrats, maybe about 20 seconds all told, is contrasted by the cheering regarding our government's responsibility to save social security. The dems are sitting on their hands during the applause, why because they said there was no financial problems forthcoming with social security. If Bush has talked about saving fannie mae or freddie mac, the reactions and reasons for it would have been just the same!!
That's actually kinda funny.
The information that has come from people actually misreading the bill is what is frightening Americans and undermining any credibility that he has.
There, I fixed it for ya. You're welcome.
And...thanks for again confirming that the nutjob minority is ruled by fear.
Actually, it proves nothing of the kind, proudconservative. All it serves to illustrate is the total lack of manners of one member of Congress.
To hiss, or boo, while somewhat frowned on, is in a different class from calling a man a liar to his face. Has FOX 'News' conveniently forgotten that? It is one of the grossest possible insults, along with the implication that one's parents were never married. The next step up the rung of that ladder is slapping somebody's face, if memory serves.
Apparently, Wilson's parents missed those lessons.
His behavior was NOT acceptable. And bringing signs to the speech? Unacceptable as well. Might as well have brought in the teabaggers to protest alongside their Congressmen/women.
Dear Joe,
Thanks for taking my name out of the headlines down here in South Carolina.
Your friend,
Mark Sanford
Dear Joe,
Doin' a heckuva good job, Addie.
Your friends,
The health industry lobbyists
The democrats want to kill E-VERIFY this is over 98 percent correct in identifying who is here illegally.
He may have been out of line BUT HE WAS CORRECT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!