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Conason: Conservative filmmakers' ACORN video is "propaganda" not "journalism"

September 10, 2009 9:00 pm ET

From the September 10th edition of CNN's Lou Dobbs Tonight:

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    • Author by rpierc01 (September 10, 2009 9:13 pm ET)
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      Typcial Lib BS. Don't address the actions of ACORN blame the people who collected the evidence.
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    • Author by my4cents (September 10, 2009 9:44 pm ET)
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      Joe Conason is a wise, articulate guy. We need more people like him.
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      • Author by kt15 (September 10, 2009 9:52 pm ET)
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        my4cents:
        "wise, articulate guy. We need more people like him." Are you serious? Did you watch the video? Those women were disgusting and broke more laws than I could count! It is one thing to want to bash Fox News, but this was not the time to do so by defending those women. Conason is weak, and no journalist. He write opinions, not news.
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        • Author by my4cents (September 11, 2009 10:48 pm ET)
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          "He write opinions, not news."
          In case you did not notice, opinion is news these days. To counter one Beck, Limpbaugh, Hannity, the other side needs 100 Conasons.
          He is articulate and wise.
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          • Author by fairliberal (September 13, 2009 1:36 pm ET)
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            To counter one Beck, Limpbaugh, Hannity, the other side needs 100 Conasons.


            If he was so wise it wouldn't take 100 of him to counter 3 other people. I guess you overestimate him.
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    • Author by kt15 (September 10, 2009 9:49 pm ET)
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      More people like Mr. Conason, are you serious? You are as sick as he is...A message to Mr. Conason:
      I am shocked and disgusted that you would make the remarks you did on Lou Dobbs concerning the ACORN video. You actually were defending those women? It is disgusting and demonstrates your class and respect for the laws that protect children against sexual assault and the degrading of women daily in the prostitution industry, not to mention the laws of this country. Yes, you are correct, Maryland is a two-party consent state, BUT those two were NOT journalists, they were students. Not to say they could not be charged, BUT do you really think ACORN is going to open themselves up to more public humiliation by suing those two students? It is not propaganda, it is investigate journalism. Maybe you should go back to journalism school. Your opinion pieces you choose to write daily are a different medium from something called investigative journalism. Maybe you haven't heard of Nellie Bly for one?! After watching that video, your immediate reaction was that MD is a two-party consent state? Seriously? It is okay to want to defend an organization, but to blatantly pull at strings and DEFEND those two women to just say something against Fox News, is weak. To use your words, I believe your comments on CNN were biased propaganda, NOT journalism. You sir, are no journalist.

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      • Author by my4cents (September 11, 2009 10:57 pm ET)
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        Karl Rove is a journalist? He is out there on Fox News everyday spreading propaganda he created.
        Is there a law in MD against recording without consent?
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    • Author by oscar the grouch (September 10, 2009 10:07 pm ET)
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      Ah, and there is such critical acclaim when newsmagazines like "60 Minutes" does the hidden camera ambush.
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      • Author by fairliberal (September 10, 2009 10:13 pm ET)
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        Yes, poor ACORN ,they are the victims again. Funny how that happens, over and over and over and over again.
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        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (September 10, 2009 11:35 pm ET)
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          It stopped being funny the first time you lied about them, Commode Boy. That you ignorantly keep it up is pathetic.
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          • Author by fairliberal (September 11, 2009 12:13 am ET)
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            Who is lying about ACORN? Can you document anything ? Did you see the clip of ACORN advising a prostitute on how to get federal money to break the law. Your tax dollars hard at work. Change we can believe in? Obama must be proud of his old organization. And it is just another example of his poor judgement and the riff raff he has associated with in his illustrious career. More to come, I am sure.
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            • Author by funnymanpants (September 11, 2009 12:26 am ET)
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              >>Who is lying about ACORN?

              You are, when you claim that Obama and the Dems are protecting them, and talking about their "continued criminal behavior."
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              • Author by fairliberal (September 11, 2009 1:03 am ET)
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                Well what happened to the investigation that President Pelosi squashed?

                And I guess all of those guilty pleas and continued criminal cases are just fiction.
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                • Author by funnymanpants (September 11, 2009 1:06 am ET)
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                  >>Well what happened to the investigation that President Pelosi squashed?

                  >>And I guess all of those guilty pleas and continued criminal cases are just fiction.

                  Again, what the f** are you talking about? You just throw out allegations, never explaining yourself and never providing links.
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            • Author by funnymanpants (September 11, 2009 12:28 am ET)
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              >>Obama must be proud of his old organization. And it is just another example of his poor judgement and the riff raff he has associated with in his illustrious career. More to come, I am sure.

              He has absolutely nothing to be ashamed of. First, you fail to see any problem with the film maker appearing. A lot of the video is blacked out. So we don't even know if we have the truth here. Second, assuming it is true, it says something about *these individuals,* not ACORN in general. By your logic, all politicians have something to be ashamed of because some politicians are corrupt.
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              • Author by fairliberal (September 12, 2009 12:10 am ET)
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                "By your logic, all politicians have something to be ashamed of because some politicians are corrupt. "

                That is really a dumb comparison. Do all politicians belong to the same organization?
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            • Author by IRONY 101 (September 11, 2009 1:03 am ET)
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              Did you see the clip of ACORN advising a prostitute on how to get federal money to break the law.

              No...I saw a tape of two dumb women advising people who falsely represented that they were engaged in a criminal enterprise. Do you seriously expect anyone to believe that ACORN advocates this? The bogus criminals apparently were run out of other ACORN offices. What does that tell you?
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              • Author by robyn20094113 (September 11, 2009 3:52 am ET)
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                Irony, if I had read your post first, I wouldn't have bothered posting. We will probably learn it wasn't even an ACORN office or that the corrupt employees were also hired actresses but for sure ACORN does not advocate this. Beck knows that the majority of his followers will buy this and judge the whole organization on these two idiots.
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            • Author by robyn20094113 (September 11, 2009 3:45 am ET)
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              Did you see the clip of ACORN advising a prostitute on how to get federal money to break the law.
              No I did not see ACORN advising a prostitute on anything. Possibly a corrupt employee advising, someone claiming to be a prostitute. These allegations will be investigated. In the end, it will probably have as much validation as the FEMA concentration camps.
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      • Author by Barry Bonds (September 10, 2009 10:51 pm ET)
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        It's always fun when you compare the sweet slightly tartness of apples with the lush sweet acidity of oranges.

        Whenever 60 minutes did it they knew the incidents were isolated and relative to the individual committing the crime. They didn't try to say the entire company was corrupt because some employees were corrupt.

        If you did an internal investigation of all the assistant managers at burger king and did sting you would find that 6 out of every 10 burger kings assistant managers were either taking food home or skimming a little money off the top. Do I have any "data" to support this? No, its just my journalistic gut telling me. That and I use to work at Burger King long, long ago.
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    • Author by edrossinoelwein9669 (September 10, 2009 10:14 pm ET)
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      It's pretty damning propaganda, if that's what its called. I think that trying to pass off forged documents about Bush's military career would be closer to propaganda. Whether or not they went into 5 offices or 100 offices before they found people to 'help' them is pretty much irrelevant. What is relevant is that they found an ACORN office willing to help them commit crimes, tax fraud and slavery.
      Nice bunch of people, ACORN.
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (September 10, 2009 11:37 pm ET)
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        Poor Mr Ed. Always wrong.
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      • Author by funnymanpants (September 10, 2009 11:38 pm ET)
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        >>Whether or not they went into 5 offices or 100 offices before they found people to 'help' them is pretty much irrelevant.

        No it's not, for obvious reasons, which Conason points out.
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      • Author by DebunkerHill (September 10, 2009 11:43 pm ET)
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        No, it's not irrelevant. It is very relevant.

        For example, if you have one (or 5) republicans who get caught committing adultery, does that mean the Republican party is wholly corrupt? Yeah, I kind of thought you would not think that was the case.

        If you go to 4 offices, and 3 of the offices throw you out on your butt, whereas 2 people at one office go along with your scheme, it suggests the organization is not corrupt but rather some of its workers are.

        Every organization has its share of employees who, when given the opportunity, will reveal themselves to be corrupt or stupid. By Fox only reporting on the one case and ignoring the three other cases, it is deliberately working to create a false image that somehow the Acorn organization rather than two individual employees was responsible and condones this type of behavior.

        And, it is possible, that these women at Acorn thought these two people were crazy and just went along with it but had no intention of aiding them with anything--as indeed, Acorn affirms that they did not file or do anything on behalf of these people. Maybe, as disappointing as it seems, they just wanted to see if they could get $120 from these crazy people to join Acorn but never would have helped them with this obviously harebrained idea.

        They did not find an ACORN office willing to help them commit crimes, tax fraud, and slavery--they found two people working at an ACORN office willing to help them commit crime, tax fraud, and slavery.

        It should be noted, however, that even people who engage in illegal activity like prostitution or gambling are expected by the IRS to report their income.
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        • Author by fairliberal (September 12, 2009 12:17 am ET)
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          "And, it is possible, that these women at Acorn thought these two people were crazy and just went along with it but had no intention of aiding them with anything--as indeed, Acorn affirms that they did not file or do anything on behalf of these people. Maybe, as disappointing as it seems, they just wanted to see if they could get $120 from these crazy people to join Acorn but never would have helped them with this obviously harebrained idea."

          Yeah and I got a bridge for you to buy. I'll give you a good deal if you buy two of them.
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      • Author by robyn20094113 (September 11, 2009 3:57 am ET)
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        When did two become a bunch?
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    • Author by moderatemom (September 10, 2009 10:22 pm ET)
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      You've got to be kidding, propaganda? It's on film for goodness sake in their own words!!!! What does Conason not understand?
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    • Author by zamfir273114 (September 10, 2009 10:28 pm ET)
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      How is it propaganda? They have video footage of the whole illegal transaction? The evidence speaks for itself.

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      • Author by vhw28672478 (September 10, 2009 10:39 pm ET)
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        prove it
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      • Author by Barry Bonds (September 10, 2009 10:57 pm ET)
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        Yes, the evidence shows HUMAN NATURE.

        Haven't you guys seen enough legal movies?

        You need the smoking memo. Without it you have NOTHING. Let me explain: unless there is an employee manual which told these two ladies how to operate when dealing with pimps and prostitutes or there was a memo from the head office titled "In Re: Pimps And Prostitutes Buying Homes" you have nothing!

        You can hate ACORN all you want but it won't change the fact that they helped get Obama elected by going into the 'hood and registering Pookie and Dem to vote. Personally I love it and if they worked for McCain you would have loved it too.
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        • Author by fairliberal (September 10, 2009 11:21 pm ET)
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          No , the evidence shows the continued criminal behavior of a blatant criminal enterprise. A criminal enterprise overtly supported and protected by the democratic party and our president.
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          • Author by funnymanpants (September 10, 2009 11:40 pm ET)
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            >>No , the evidence shows the continued criminal behavior of a blatant criminal enterprise.

            What are you talking about? Please be specific.

            >>overtly supported and protected by the democratic party and our president.

            Again, what are you talking about?
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            • Author by fairliberal (September 11, 2009 12:30 am ET)
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              Time for you to stick you head back in the sand.
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              • Author by funnymanpants (September 11, 2009 12:35 am ET)
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                >>Time for you to stick you head back in the sand.

                That's not a response, is it? You obviously can't back up either claim.
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                • Author by fairliberal (September 11, 2009 1:07 am ET)
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                  I guess you are unaware of all of the guilty pleas and criminal cases against. I guess it is just another vast right wing conspiracy.

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                  • Author by funnymanpants (September 11, 2009 1:23 am ET)
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                    >>I guess you are unaware of all of the guilty pleas and criminal cases against. I guess it is just another vast right wing conspiracy.

                    Translation: I am lying. You have no proof of your claims.

                    (I actually had to do your own work for you. A search on google reveals *one* guilty plea of a low-level worker simply trying to shirk his job, not commit voter fraud: "The workers were not trying to commit election fraud but merely to make it easier to perform their temporary, low-wage jobs, prosecutors said.")
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                    • Author by fairliberal (September 12, 2009 12:29 am ET)
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                      I guess you missed these....
                      http://primebuzz.kcstar.com/?q=node/10816

                      http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124182750646102435.html

                      And now there are more cases coming to light and ACORN has now been dumped by the Census Bureau.

                      I guess your google skills are in need of some work.
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          • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (September 10, 2009 11:40 pm ET)
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            More lies from Commode Boy.

            I notice you haven't provided a speck of evidence, Commode Boy, unless you are presenting evidence of your own ignorance and stupidity, which you do in abundance.
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    • Author by pilotx (September 10, 2009 11:24 pm ET)
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      Funny how ACORN is the target for the right wing. They provide services and a voice for poor people of color. Oh yeah, gotta bring a group like that down. I speak from experience, ACORN got some of my high school classmates who were desperately poor jobs for the summer so they could help themselves and their families. Must bring down a subversive element like that down at any cost. IMHO ACORN does good work for people who need it.
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      • Author by fairliberal (September 11, 2009 1:01 am ET)
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        "I speak from experience, ACORN got some of my high school classmates who were desperately poor jobs for the summer "

        And if they limited themselves to activities of that nature instead of voter fraud and advising prostitutes they wouldn't be the target of anyone. But they have made their choice.


        "IMHO ACORN does good work for people who need it. "


        Does that opinion include the supposed prostitute in the clip that was just released. Ooops I mean the performance artist. And all of the potential performance artists they were talking of importing.
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        • Author by funnymanpants (September 11, 2009 1:09 am ET)
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          >>And if they limited themselves to activities of that nature instead of voter fraud and advising prostitutes they wouldn't be the target of anyone. But they have made their choice.

          Here's where you are blatantly dishonest. ACORN has never engaged in voter fraud. Period. Some workers for them, who were paid to register people to vote, put down false names, like Mickey Mouse. ACORN did what was required by law: report this to the federal government. ACORN never encouraged this activity; they did the opposite and honest thing. Further, fictitious people can't vote, so no one tried to commit fraud, on any level.

          Second, we don't even have the full story on the latest ACORN accusations. Even assuming the video portrays things accurately, it only shows these individuals are guilty, not ACORN.
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    • Author by funnymanpants (September 11, 2009 12:02 am ET)
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      It's pretty telling that the maker of the film did not go on CNN. Small film makers always want exposure. What is he trying to hide?
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      • Author by robyn20094113 (September 11, 2009 4:34 am ET)
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        I agree, plus I watched Beck interview her on his show. She came across as really phony as did her whole story. Smells fishy.
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      • Author by fairliberal (September 12, 2009 12:34 am ET)
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        Is it equally telling when the libs won't appear of Fox? What are they trying to hide? Nobody wants exposure more than politicians.
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    • Author by oscar the grouch (September 11, 2009 12:29 am ET)
         
      Well, of course we can't put blame on all of ACORN for the actions of a few. But to do this, we need to remember we can't blame any one large group for the actions of a few within that group (unless maybe it were the Wild Bunch or the like.)
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    • Author by fishergirlusmc (September 11, 2009 12:39 am ET)
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      If you go to biggovernment.com you can see seventeen minutes of the tape. What was most troubling to me is how the ladies from ACORN were willing to help traffic in underage human slaves. Shame on them.
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      • Author by funnymanpants (September 11, 2009 12:54 am ET)
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        >>If you go to biggovernment.com you can see seventeen minutes of the tape.

        But not the whole tape. Nor do we have the whole story.

        Fisher girl, can you tell me where to go to find a review on Levin's book? Or where I can find proof that Kerry bought up all copies of *New Soldier?* Or that he prohibited it from being reprinted? Or that Nancy Pelosi uses a special plane because she, not a person in charge of security, wants it?
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        • Author by fishergirlusmc (September 11, 2009 12:27 pm ET)
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          Funnyman,
          you watched the seventeen minute video and you were not disgusted by it? Or do you think it was a fake? They have another one coming out today from ACORN in DC.
          pELOSI SEEKS UPGRADE FOR GOV'T PROVIDED PLANE-ABCNEWS.GO.COM/POLITICS/STORY?10=2857672 BY JAKE TAPPER
          You can google ne soldier by kerry and you can see for yourself Didn't your goddess Pelosi try to sneak in another 3 planes for congress before she was caught fleecing the taxpayers?
          Why are you so myopic when it comes to demorats? I wonder if the tapes were against Halliburton or Blackwater if you would be spewing the same snit.
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        • Author by fishergirlusmc (September 11, 2009 12:28 pm ET)
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          Didn't they arrest 11 more ACORN rogues yeterday in Florida?
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      • Author by fairliberal (September 11, 2009 1:18 am ET)
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        "What was most troubling to me is how the ladies from ACORN were willing to help traffic in underage human slaves. "

        Well of course they are potential democratic voters.

        I am waiting for Maxine Waters to come out and defend the fine folks at ACORN, she has been a strong supporter of ACORN. And it it noteworthy that our democrat controlled House of Reps squashed the investigation of ACORN. But as the evidence mounts, the American people will see the kind of fine folks that are proud members of the democratic party.

        The 2010 elections will tell the tale, Obama may be popular enough to get a second term but he won't have the kind of majority he has now in Congress. Wait and see.
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        • Author by funnymanpants (September 11, 2009 1:25 am ET)
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          >>Well of course they are potential democratic voters.

          Yes, keep up the hate, fairliberal. I guess when you can't back up your wild claims, you just to into name calling mode. And can you possibly elucidate us on your so-called evidence?
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        • Author by funnymanpants (September 11, 2009 1:27 am ET)
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          >>The 2010 elections will tell the tale, Obama

          By the way, ACORN has nothing to do with Obama.

          (Why do you go by the name fair liberal when it is obvious you are just a right wing hack?)
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          • Author by Mr. Buzztime (September 11, 2009 2:15 am ET)
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            ACORN has nothing to do with Obama?
            Are you serious?????
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          • Author by mescal (September 11, 2009 3:08 am ET)
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            Fauxliberal in simply incapable of discussing these issues without lying.

            To be fair, it IS a job requirement at the Faux News Channel.
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          • Author by fairliberal (September 12, 2009 12:43 am ET)
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            Of course not.

            http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/05/obamas_ties_to_acorn_more_subs.html

            http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/02/opinion/main4145761.shtml

            http://purplepeoplevote.com/2008/09/30/more-problems-with-acorn-and-obamas-ties-to-acorn/

            http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2009/04/03/ny-times-acorn-obama-march-30-2009-times-pulled-story-obama-ties-to-acorn-house-judiciary-subcommittee-game-changer-story-anita-moncrief-confidential-informant-times-reporter-stephanie-stro/
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    • Author by Mr. Buzztime (September 11, 2009 2:20 am ET)
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      I watched this clip and have read some of the comments. How is it possible to defend this stuff???? Call it propaganda??? Huh????Please, I understand everyone has MAJOR differences on all the issues, but crying out loud how can you not condemn this garbage? It's like when Larry Craig got caught in the restroom - there was no defense. The man was an idiot, pure and simple. Same in this case.
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    • Author by Border (September 11, 2009 3:01 am ET)
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      It's entertaining to watch the Obamites writhing in the wind trying to play down ACORN's criminal activities with inane calls for "proof", etc. when there's video proof staring them in the face. It doesn't matter how many offices the reporters went to, because it's absurd to think that every single member of an organization has to be dumb or corrupt in order for the organization to be corrupt. This is only one of many examples of ACORN acting outside the law, always in the service of Democrat causes. Democrats in general believe that their ends justify any means they can get away with, and ACORN is simply an example of stupid people trying to carry out that philosophy...
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    • Author by rwmacdonald2091 (September 11, 2009 7:09 am ET)
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      First let me say, that the two Acorn people should be fired, and if the prosecutor want to file charges, fine with me.

      What I find to be repulsive about the right wing crackpots is of course they want to indict the whole organization. You know guilt by association.

      By that standard, all republican senators cheat on their wives. After all since 5% (2 out 40, Vitter and Ensign) it must be true. Don't know how many people are employed by Acorn, but I'm guessing two people represent far less than 5%

      How about a doctor scamming medicare, all doctors must be scamming medicare.

      Since the vast majority of serial killers are white, all white people must be serial killers.

      The reason I brought up the last one, and tried to make it as ridiculous as I could, is the guilty by association is always reserved for the minorities in this country, especially by the right wing crackpots.
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    • Author by big2xrube6146 (September 11, 2009 9:37 am ET)
         
      Who gives a _hit about Acorn. I want to know who the girl was that played the part of the prostitute. She looked good. I might want a date.
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    • Author by terrapin53 (September 11, 2009 4:53 pm ET)
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      I live in Baltimore. Nothing surprises me with what goes on in that city. I watched Beck (yuck) yesterday doing this report and he sure never mentioned they tried this multiple times until they got a hit in Baltimore. He interviewed the actress prostitute and she made it sound like she got the idea and hopped a flight to Baltimore. NOw it seems she went from city to city until she got a hit. I also never heard this guy Conason defend Acorn in this clip. From what I saw on Beck, I am not certain ACORN broke any laws. Giving bad tax advice is not a criminal offense that I know of. Poor judgement by ACORN? You betcha. Does anyone know what self employment code a self employed prostitute should put down on her tax form?
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    • Author by terrapin53 (September 11, 2009 4:55 pm ET)
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      and by the way...what occurred in this video is no worse than what some of these Wall Street guys did to the economy. ACORN is the poor mans wall street.
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      • Author by fairliberal (September 13, 2009 1:45 pm ET)
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        That sounds like you are agreeing that ACORN is corrupt. I presume that you don't approve of Wall St.
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    • Author by Border (September 13, 2009 7:12 pm ET)
         
      Since both the Baltimore and DC offices were regional HQs and the responses were of a similar nature, it is reasonable to believe the problems revealed are indeed systemic to ACORN as an organization and the probability of training organized in an official manner is high. That the HQs were implicated also suggests that the satillite offices were similarly trained.

      Furthermore, the suggestion that the staff at other offices turned the 'actors' away but did not alert the authorities reveals a tolerance and or apathy to a potential criminal act. Their refusal to report actually implicates both ACORN and the ACORN employees as co-conspirators.

      Inasmuch as anyone here is even attempting to defend this is telling of what the Democratic party is becoming. The day that democrats start to defend child prostitution is the day that I vote republican!
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