Conason: Conservative filmmakers' ACORN video is "propaganda" not "journalism"
September 10, 2009 9:00 pm ET
From the September 10th edition of CNN's Lou Dobbs Tonight:


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"wise, articulate guy. We need more people like him." Are you serious? Did you watch the video? Those women were disgusting and broke more laws than I could count! It is one thing to want to bash Fox News, but this was not the time to do so by defending those women. Conason is weak, and no journalist. He write opinions, not news.
In case you did not notice, opinion is news these days. To counter one Beck, Limpbaugh, Hannity, the other side needs 100 Conasons.
He is articulate and wise.
If he was so wise it wouldn't take 100 of him to counter 3 other people. I guess you overestimate him.
I am shocked and disgusted that you would make the remarks you did on Lou Dobbs concerning the ACORN video. You actually were defending those women? It is disgusting and demonstrates your class and respect for the laws that protect children against sexual assault and the degrading of women daily in the prostitution industry, not to mention the laws of this country. Yes, you are correct, Maryland is a two-party consent state, BUT those two were NOT journalists, they were students. Not to say they could not be charged, BUT do you really think ACORN is going to open themselves up to more public humiliation by suing those two students? It is not propaganda, it is investigate journalism. Maybe you should go back to journalism school. Your opinion pieces you choose to write daily are a different medium from something called investigative journalism. Maybe you haven't heard of Nellie Bly for one?! After watching that video, your immediate reaction was that MD is a two-party consent state? Seriously? It is okay to want to defend an organization, but to blatantly pull at strings and DEFEND those two women to just say something against Fox News, is weak. To use your words, I believe your comments on CNN were biased propaganda, NOT journalism. You sir, are no journalist.
Is there a law in MD against recording without consent?
You are, when you claim that Obama and the Dems are protecting them, and talking about their "continued criminal behavior."
And I guess all of those guilty pleas and continued criminal cases are just fiction.
>>And I guess all of those guilty pleas and continued criminal cases are just fiction.
Again, what the f** are you talking about? You just throw out allegations, never explaining yourself and never providing links.
He has absolutely nothing to be ashamed of. First, you fail to see any problem with the film maker appearing. A lot of the video is blacked out. So we don't even know if we have the truth here. Second, assuming it is true, it says something about *these individuals,* not ACORN in general. By your logic, all politicians have something to be ashamed of because some politicians are corrupt.
That is really a dumb comparison. Do all politicians belong to the same organization?
No...I saw a tape of two dumb women advising people who falsely represented that they were engaged in a criminal enterprise. Do you seriously expect anyone to believe that ACORN advocates this? The bogus criminals apparently were run out of other ACORN offices. What does that tell you?
Whenever 60 minutes did it they knew the incidents were isolated and relative to the individual committing the crime. They didn't try to say the entire company was corrupt because some employees were corrupt.
If you did an internal investigation of all the assistant managers at burger king and did sting you would find that 6 out of every 10 burger kings assistant managers were either taking food home or skimming a little money off the top. Do I have any "data" to support this? No, its just my journalistic gut telling me. That and I use to work at Burger King long, long ago.
Nice bunch of people, ACORN.
No it's not, for obvious reasons, which Conason points out.
For example, if you have one (or 5) republicans who get caught committing adultery, does that mean the Republican party is wholly corrupt? Yeah, I kind of thought you would not think that was the case.
If you go to 4 offices, and 3 of the offices throw you out on your butt, whereas 2 people at one office go along with your scheme, it suggests the organization is not corrupt but rather some of its workers are.
Every organization has its share of employees who, when given the opportunity, will reveal themselves to be corrupt or stupid. By Fox only reporting on the one case and ignoring the three other cases, it is deliberately working to create a false image that somehow the Acorn organization rather than two individual employees was responsible and condones this type of behavior.
And, it is possible, that these women at Acorn thought these two people were crazy and just went along with it but had no intention of aiding them with anything--as indeed, Acorn affirms that they did not file or do anything on behalf of these people. Maybe, as disappointing as it seems, they just wanted to see if they could get $120 from these crazy people to join Acorn but never would have helped them with this obviously harebrained idea.
They did not find an ACORN office willing to help them commit crimes, tax fraud, and slavery--they found two people working at an ACORN office willing to help them commit crime, tax fraud, and slavery.
It should be noted, however, that even people who engage in illegal activity like prostitution or gambling are expected by the IRS to report their income.
Yeah and I got a bridge for you to buy. I'll give you a good deal if you buy two of them.
MY guess is that on the "news sources " that you watch, the proof was not aired. And it may never be.
Haven't you guys seen enough legal movies?
You need the smoking memo. Without it you have NOTHING. Let me explain: unless there is an employee manual which told these two ladies how to operate when dealing with pimps and prostitutes or there was a memo from the head office titled "In Re: Pimps And Prostitutes Buying Homes" you have nothing!
You can hate ACORN all you want but it won't change the fact that they helped get Obama elected by going into the 'hood and registering Pookie and Dem to vote. Personally I love it and if they worked for McCain you would have loved it too.
What are you talking about? Please be specific.
>>overtly supported and protected by the democratic party and our president.
Again, what are you talking about?
That's not a response, is it? You obviously can't back up either claim.
Translation: I am lying. You have no proof of your claims.
(I actually had to do your own work for you. A search on google reveals *one* guilty plea of a low-level worker simply trying to shirk his job, not commit voter fraud: "The workers were not trying to commit election fraud but merely to make it easier to perform their temporary, low-wage jobs, prosecutors said.")
http://primebuzz.kcstar.com/?q=node/10816
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124182750646102435.html
And now there are more cases coming to light and ACORN has now been dumped by the Census Bureau.
I guess your google skills are in need of some work.
I notice you haven't provided a speck of evidence, Commode Boy, unless you are presenting evidence of your own ignorance and stupidity, which you do in abundance.
And if they limited themselves to activities of that nature instead of voter fraud and advising prostitutes they wouldn't be the target of anyone. But they have made their choice.
"IMHO ACORN does good work for people who need it. "
Does that opinion include the supposed prostitute in the clip that was just released. Ooops I mean the performance artist. And all of the potential performance artists they were talking of importing.
Here's where you are blatantly dishonest. ACORN has never engaged in voter fraud. Period. Some workers for them, who were paid to register people to vote, put down false names, like Mickey Mouse. ACORN did what was required by law: report this to the federal government. ACORN never encouraged this activity; they did the opposite and honest thing. Further, fictitious people can't vote, so no one tried to commit fraud, on any level.
Second, we don't even have the full story on the latest ACORN accusations. Even assuming the video portrays things accurately, it only shows these individuals are guilty, not ACORN.
But not the whole tape. Nor do we have the whole story.
Fisher girl, can you tell me where to go to find a review on Levin's book? Or where I can find proof that Kerry bought up all copies of *New Soldier?* Or that he prohibited it from being reprinted? Or that Nancy Pelosi uses a special plane because she, not a person in charge of security, wants it?
you watched the seventeen minute video and you were not disgusted by it? Or do you think it was a fake? They have another one coming out today from ACORN in DC.
pELOSI SEEKS UPGRADE FOR GOV'T PROVIDED PLANE-ABCNEWS.GO.COM/POLITICS/STORY?10=2857672 BY JAKE TAPPER
You can google ne soldier by kerry and you can see for yourself Didn't your goddess Pelosi try to sneak in another 3 planes for congress before she was caught fleecing the taxpayers?
Why are you so myopic when it comes to demorats? I wonder if the tapes were against Halliburton or Blackwater if you would be spewing the same snit.
Well of course they are potential democratic voters.
I am waiting for Maxine Waters to come out and defend the fine folks at ACORN, she has been a strong supporter of ACORN. And it it noteworthy that our democrat controlled House of Reps squashed the investigation of ACORN. But as the evidence mounts, the American people will see the kind of fine folks that are proud members of the democratic party.
The 2010 elections will tell the tale, Obama may be popular enough to get a second term but he won't have the kind of majority he has now in Congress. Wait and see.
Yes, keep up the hate, fairliberal. I guess when you can't back up your wild claims, you just to into name calling mode. And can you possibly elucidate us on your so-called evidence?
By the way, ACORN has nothing to do with Obama.
(Why do you go by the name fair liberal when it is obvious you are just a right wing hack?)
Are you serious?????
To be fair, it IS a job requirement at the Faux News Channel.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/05/obamas_ties_to_acorn_more_subs.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/02/opinion/main4145761.shtml
http://purplepeoplevote.com/2008/09/30/more-problems-with-acorn-and-obamas-ties-to-acorn/
http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2009/04/03/ny-times-acorn-obama-march-30-2009-times-pulled-story-obama-ties-to-acorn-house-judiciary-subcommittee-game-changer-story-anita-moncrief-confidential-informant-times-reporter-stephanie-stro/
What I find to be repulsive about the right wing crackpots is of course they want to indict the whole organization. You know guilt by association.
By that standard, all republican senators cheat on their wives. After all since 5% (2 out 40, Vitter and Ensign) it must be true. Don't know how many people are employed by Acorn, but I'm guessing two people represent far less than 5%
How about a doctor scamming medicare, all doctors must be scamming medicare.
Since the vast majority of serial killers are white, all white people must be serial killers.
The reason I brought up the last one, and tried to make it as ridiculous as I could, is the guilty by association is always reserved for the minorities in this country, especially by the right wing crackpots.
Furthermore, the suggestion that the staff at other offices turned the 'actors' away but did not alert the authorities reveals a tolerance and or apathy to a potential criminal act. Their refusal to report actually implicates both ACORN and the ACORN employees as co-conspirators.
Inasmuch as anyone here is even attempting to defend this is telling of what the Democratic party is becoming. The day that democrats start to defend child prostitution is the day that I vote republican!