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Sammon: Bush "a victim of his own success" in fighting terror, because "complacen[t]" public "picked on him on other stuff"

September 11, 2009 11:00 am ET

From the September 11 edition of Fox News' America's Newsroom:

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    • Author by magnolialover (September 11, 2009 11:03 am ET)
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      WTF are you talking about?

      Bush didn't fight terrorism, he increased it with his ham handed invasion of Iraq. When we invaded Iraq, that was, and still IS the best recruiting tool that terrorists could have wished for.

      Not to mention that terrorists incidents went up markedly after we invaded Iraq, and continue to be high.
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      • Author by puppienrainbows (September 11, 2009 11:42 am ET)
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        "Not to mention that terrorist attacks went up markedly after we invaded Iraq, and continue to be high". magnolialover-------wtf are you talking about? There were bombings in Spain, Bali and several other places around the world, that were simply a continuation of attacks that began in the early 1990's. Terrorism did not begin January of 2001 as you and like-minded liberals would like everyone to believe.
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        • Author by NiceguyEddie (September 11, 2009 11:48 am ET)
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          No one said it did, not even Mags. He said it increased, and it has. Is is all do to Iraq? No. Is it largely due to Bush's FAILURE to properly prosecute the war on terror? Almost enitrely.

          We are not 'safer' today, no have we been since 2003, despite what you and liked-minded conservatives would like everyone to believe.
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          • Author by puppienrainbows (September 11, 2009 12:04 pm ET)
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            Did you say "prosecute" the war on terrorism? CLASSIC!
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            • Author by bintx (September 11, 2009 12:10 pm ET)
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              Hey, puppies, before you make fun of someone, you might want to know what the meaning of the word you are making fun of actually means.

              prosecute

              a. To pursue (an undertaking, for example) until completion; follow to the very end.
              b. To chase or pursue (a vessel)

              Mr. Bush "prosecuted" his phony "war on terror." One cannot "prosecute" a war on a tactic or idea. The "war on terror" title was bogus from the get go. What Mr. Bush DID was create terror in order to scare idiots like you into believing that invading Iraq had something to do with 9/11, which, of course, it did not.
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            • Author by neon desert (September 11, 2009 12:12 pm ET)
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              Whoa!!! Double reverse fail!!!

              Prosecute:
              1. Law. a. to institute legal proceedings against (a person).
              b. to seek to enforce or obtain by legal process.
              c. to conduct criminal proceedings in court against.

              2. to follow up or carry forward something undertaken or begun, usually to its completion: to prosecute a war.
              3. to carry on or practice.

              Ouch. That's gonna leave a mark.
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              • Author by puppienrainbows (September 11, 2009 12:57 pm ET)
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                Prosecute, in this case, meant trial by civil court, as you well know!!!!! The Clintons always maintained the fight against al qaeda was NOT a 'war', but a crime to be 'prosecuted'. You can quote Webster all you want but everyone knows what the term 'prosecute', in this case, meant!!!!!
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                • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (September 11, 2009 1:15 pm ET)
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                  Prosecute, in this case, meant trial by civil court, as you well know!!!!!
                  No, it didn't, as you well don't!!!!!
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                • Author by foghornleghorn (September 11, 2009 1:17 pm ET)
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                  Well, let's see. Clinton "prosecuted" the perpetrators of the first 9/11 attack through police work. And they're sitting in jail. And nobody died.

                  Then, Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld "prosecuted" the 9/11 attacks by warmongering. And Bin Laden is still a free man. And tens of thousands of people are dead and the war profiteers are rich.

                  Hmmm...wonder which way works better? Guess you choose the method of death.
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                  • Author by tman418 (September 11, 2009 5:53 pm ET)
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                    foghorn,

                    I think you're referring to the 1993 attacks on the WTC, which you are right about.
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                • Author by wzwriter (September 11, 2009 1:19 pm ET)
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                  And it's obvious after reading this thread that puppienrainbows doesn't know squat.
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                  • Author by mjh (September 12, 2009 3:52 am ET)
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                    "And it's obvious after reading this thread that puppienrainbows doesn't know squat."


                    That's cause puppychasingitstail is a graduate of the Glenn Beck Skool of English . . .

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                • Author by bintx (September 11, 2009 1:31 pm ET)
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                  You continue to be incorrect. You apparently do not understand the difference between "civil law" and "criminal law."

                  When one conducts a "war," they "prosecute" it. That is exactly the context in which the word was being used.

                  Try again, puppies. You were wrong.
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                • Author by kfraz43 (September 11, 2009 1:54 pm ET)
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                  Give it up, pup. Live to fight another thread.

                  "You can quote Webster all you want but 'everyone knows' what the term...meant!"

                  Facts are the enemy of the baseless argument.
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            • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (September 11, 2009 1:14 pm ET)
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              Did you say "prosecute" the war on terrorism? CLASSIC!
              puppiesandrainbows(I), Did you just ridicule someone for using the English language correctly, something you are apparently too illiterate to recognize? CLASSIC!
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            • Author by benjr (September 11, 2009 3:58 pm ET)
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              Oh the irony!
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        • Author by shaggles (September 11, 2009 11:57 am ET)
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          "Terrorism did not begin January of 2001 as you and like-minded liberals would like everyone to believe."

          That's a laugh. For most of the right terrorism didn't exist until 9/11/2001. When Bill Clinton tried to go after bin Laden and al Qaeda the reps all said it was a distraction from the Lewinsky scandal. That he was wagging the dog. The right didn't give a flying f**k about terrorism until 9/11.
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          • Author by puppienrainbows (September 11, 2009 12:03 pm ET)
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            That's a laugh. The Clintons were in the whitehouse at the time the first terrorist attacks from al qaeda occured. It was up to THEM, not the right, to fight terrorism, but they didn't. Thus, the attacks on 9/11.
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            • Author by bintx (September 11, 2009 12:15 pm ET)
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              Bill Clinton was inaugurated on February 23, 1993. Bill Clinton had been in office for exactly 34 days. The perpetrators and planners of that attack were captured, tried, convicted and are in prison. The attack on the Cole was not definitively attributed to al Qaeda until just prior to the inauguration of GWB. There were numerous attempts made by the Clinton administration to warn Mr. Bush that bin Laden and al Qaeda intended to attack . . . they were ignored.

              BTW, Mr. Clinton kept us "safe" from February 1993 until January 19, 2001 . . . you gonna give him credit for that?

              And, I was not a Clinton supporter, never voted for the man, but your logic is flawed and, as usual, completely incorrect.
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              • Author by bintx (September 11, 2009 12:17 pm ET)
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                Sorry, I started a thought and changed in mid sentence. The WTC was attacked on February 23, 1993.
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              • Author by puppienrainbows (September 11, 2009 12:59 pm ET)
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                I'll give President Clinton ALL due respect. The fight against terrorism was not his forte.
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                • Author by sportsguydave (September 11, 2009 1:12 pm ET)
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                  Wasn't Bush's forte either, apparently, or he would have pursued the people who attacked us on 9/11 until they were wiped off the face of the Earth.
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                • Author by foghornleghorn (September 11, 2009 1:19 pm ET)
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                  The fight against terrorism was not his forte.

                  I think what you meant to say is that Clinton wasn't a warmonger.

                  Why do you love death so much?
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                • Author by bintx (September 11, 2009 1:35 pm ET)
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                  Actually, it was. He brought the perpetrators of the first WTC to justice.

                  Bush took his eye off the perpetrators of the attacks of 9/11 in order to PROSECUTE an unnecessary and unrelated invasion of a country which had not attacked us, had not threatened to attack us and which had absolutely no means to attack us. Bush's incompetence allowed bin Laden to escape and when asked about bin Laden on March 13, 2002, said "I truly am not that concerned about him."

                  Bush FAILED, puppies. His wrong-headed attack on Iraq was a recruiting tool for the people who attacked us.
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                • Author by mjh (September 12, 2009 3:12 pm ET)
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                  "I'll give President Clinton ALL due respect. The fight against terrorism was not his forte."
                  - puppychasingitstail


                  Welcome to Planet Wingnut!

                  Where one president [Clinton] can catch BOTH the perpetrators of WTC I AND the OKC bombing -- and terrorism is considered "not his forte" . . .

                  . . . while another [GW Bush] can sit on his arse and read to schoolkids during the worst terrorist attack in US history, NOT catch those responsible for it 7.5 years afterward -- and be branded a "success" . . .



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            • Author by neon desert (September 11, 2009 12:19 pm ET)
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              History 101:

              After the attack on the WTC in '93, the perpetrators were apprehended, imprisoned, PROSECUTED, and punished. There were no more attacks on American soil by foreign terrorists through the remainder of Clinton's 2 terms as president. Until the Bush administration which ignored the previous administrations warnings...
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            • Author by shaggles (September 11, 2009 12:23 pm ET)
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              Clinton was fighting terrorism (no thanks to the Republican congress) but he couldn't control something that happened 9 months after he left office. He left strong warnings for the incoming administration about the threat of al Qaeda in particular and all were uniformly ignored. Ask Richard Clarke.
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              • Author by puppienrainbows (September 11, 2009 12:54 pm ET)
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                Accountability, accountability, accountability.
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                • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (September 11, 2009 1:19 pm ET)
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                  Accountability, accountability, accountability.
                  I know, this is Jeopardy, right?

                  Here's the question: What were three things the Bush Administration never had, but preached that others should have?
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                • Author by foghornleghorn (September 11, 2009 1:21 pm ET)
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                  Are you clicking your heels three times as you say that so you can go back and revisit that glorious day that was 9/11?
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                • Author by bintx (September 11, 2009 1:36 pm ET)
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                  Bush has never accepted accountability for the unnecessary deaths of many thousands of innocent Iraqis nor the unnecessary deaths of over 4000 of our best and brightest . . . is that what you are talking about, puppies?
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            • Author by dr. matt (September 11, 2009 2:09 pm ET)
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              It was up to THEM, not the right, to fight terrorism, but they didn't. Thus, the attacks on 9/11.


              They caught and convicted those responsible for the first WTC, unlike herr dubyah.

              Apparently you were not alive when your fellow teabaggers were screeching, "No war for Monica", when Mr. Clinton was pursuing terrorists.

              So, are you really this stupid or just really this uninformed?

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        • Author by dr. matt (September 11, 2009 1:26 pm ET)
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          as you and like-minded liberals would like everyone to believe.


          Prove it.
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        • Author by captfoster2 (September 11, 2009 1:30 pm ET)
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          puppienrainbows

          Hey dumbass... where in the world did you get this little gem...

          "Terrorism did not begin January of 2001 as you and like-minded liberals would like everyone to believe." ??

          Name one... just one liberal/Democrat/etc... ANYONE! EVER! other than the usual right-wing suspects who have said that liberals have said that??

          You want to come in here and speak your peace... I'm all for it, and defend your right to do it... but you damn well better be able to defend your accusations... especially one like that or shut the hell up!!

          And before you go there... By demanding that you defend yourself or shutting the hell up is not infringing on your 1st amendment rights... as I said... speak your peace... just be ready to defend it!
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      • Author by captfoster2 (September 11, 2009 1:09 pm ET)
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        What I find deplorable is when certain right-wing corporate whores can try and make claims that anyone in this country 'forgot' about or that we became 'complacent' as it pertains to remembering this day!

        This of course and that of all the other right-wing lunatics is code to the sheeples that actually believe these people are serious that it is actually Democrats, liberal, and progressives that have forgotten abou this day and what it meant and why it happened.

        This is exactly also one of those reasons why I absolutley hate people like Glenn Beck (with his using of 9/11 by calling his little tax protesting group 9/12 Project) or dumbasses like Mr. Sammon here!

        It all amounts tho these bastards trying to claim some moral highground in being the only ones effected by what happen 8 years ago today... and to them I say...

        SCREW YOU and your self-righteous indignations!
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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (September 11, 2009 11:05 am ET)
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      One trick pony here and he brought the wrong trick to the fair
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    • Author by dr. matt (September 11, 2009 11:20 am ET)
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      The 9/11 attacks were a success?
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    • Author by Dem02020 (September 11, 2009 11:21 am ET)
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      After having just viewed this video clip of Fox News Channel's loving tribute to George W. Bush's Presidency, and to his protection of the United States and the American People, I have just one question:

      Why isn't George W. Bush at the Memorial today in New York City?

      Isn't it a sufficient enough photo opportunity for him, doesn't he want to come out of hiding for this Memorial?

      It's a strange pride Fox News Channel expresses for George W. Bush on this solemn day... it would be stranger still, if George W. Bush stood up today to bask in Fox's glow.
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    • Author by latanza (September 11, 2009 11:21 am ET)
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      This one is definately an idiot. Bush was not picked on. He ran the country with unchecked autonomy and disregard for the laws that govern our country. His administration was a dangerous example for politicians aspiring to imitate his behavior. What Bush did was show the undying loyalty of the Republican Party based on race and foreign relations. The Republicans became dumbfounded when having to go at a member of their party in an authoritive position. They demonstrated that they had no ability to check or challenge legality and that they do not stand for principle but favor. Bush was the President and so I yeild him the same respect that I would any President. I did not support his administration or their "politics". Dick Cheney was the real President and now, if the former President had the interest of the American people at hand and security was raised to level Orange, there is no reason why he should not be involving himself in politics right now. He is of the age to where he can have input, meaning his age does not prevent him as it did other President's.

      No one was ever complacent, there was so much disrespect and lawlessness during his administration, sanctioned at top levels of government, people stopped believing that government was "for the people, by the people and of the people."
      Bush was inept to politics, not political processes. He was also a man of no identity. He did not think for himself and he was not an independent leader. His loyalty to his friends is astounding and exposed. He was a loyalist who had the nerve to play the "fall guy" to advance private interest. This correlates to a good friend and partner, not a President.

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    • Author by pros2pros2940 (September 11, 2009 11:36 am ET)
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      "victim of his own success" - Rove couldn't have written that any better. Reminds me of the " catastrophic success" of the Iraq invasion which was their excuse for not antictpating the level of violence and unrest afterwards.

      People are not complacent either as there are many things in ones life that are more likely to happen. We each have a better chance of being hit by lighting than ever be the victim of a terrorist attack.

      That doesn't mean we shouldn't be vigilant but we've always been under a threat of attack since before we were born
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      • Author by Entitled (September 11, 2009 12:41 pm ET)
           
        "We each have a better chance of being hit by lighting than ever be the victim of a terrorist attack."

        We could just sit in idle and wait for the odds to swing back the other way.
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    • Author by jjamele2880 (September 11, 2009 11:38 am ET)
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      Wow, imagine how much Bush would have been picked on if he had "kept us safe" for all EIGHT years of his Presidency, instead of ignoring warnings all the way up to 9/11. We would have been even more complacent then, right?

      Suggesting that Americans have become "complacent" about terrorism while praising the guy whose lack of attention to the subject allowed 9/11 to happen....well, now I've heard everything.
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    • Author by wzwriter (September 11, 2009 11:38 am ET)
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      Sammon: Bush "a victim of his own success" in fighting terror, because "complacen[t]" public "picked on him on other stuff"

      By "other stuff", I guess this numbskull is referring to:

      * Bush's alcohol and drug use

      * His drunken driving arrest

      * His failure to report for duty once the Air National Guard started random drug testing

      * His string of business failures (even with his Harvard MBA)

      * His forcing an underage girlfriend to get an abortion in the days before Roe v. Wade (when abortion was illegal)

      And most of all...

      * The way his lies resulted in the deaths of thousands of American servicemen and women (and countless Iraqi civilians) in his illegal war.

      I think we have many reasons to "pick on" Bush. And to continue picking on Bush until he's sent to prison for his war crimes.
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      • Author by jjamele2880 (September 11, 2009 11:45 am ET)
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        And in fact, practically none of the issues you list here were mentioned in the MSM beyond a few whispers, drowned out by years of almost constant, loud praise whenever he managed to tie his shoes without assistance. I love how Chris Matthews in particular, who spent most of 2001-2005 as one of Bush's chief enablers and cheerleaders, now spends all his time sneering at Bush's failures, all of which were perfectly obvious to most of us even while Matthews was gushing over how awesome Bush was handling terrorism.
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      • Author by puppienrainbows (September 11, 2009 11:57 am ET)
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        Dan Rather, is that you?
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        • Author by jjamele2880 (September 11, 2009 12:01 pm ET)
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          You forgot to give YOURSELF a thumbs down, but don't worry, I had a spare.
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          • Author by puppienrainbows (September 11, 2009 1:01 pm ET)
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            We know where your other thumb is. ;>)
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            • Author by jjamele2880 (September 11, 2009 1:14 pm ET)
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              Is that funny on the playground you aren't allowed to hang around anymore?
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            • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (September 11, 2009 1:23 pm ET)
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              We know where your other thumb is.
              We know where yours is, too. You had to get it there so you could keep sucking it.
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        • Author by neon desert (September 11, 2009 12:06 pm ET)
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          Your assumption is once again based on your ignorance, this time of the fact that Dan Rather wasn't the only one in the "liberal" media who told the truth about Bush.
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        • Author by bintx (September 11, 2009 12:20 pm ET)
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          Puppies, Dan Rather's documents may or may not have been forged, but the story was essentially true. The REAL TANG records show that Bush did not complete his military commitment and was basically a screw-up. Those records were released almost simultaneously with the Rather report as a result of an FOIA lawsuit filed by the Associated Press. The real documents didn't get much press, but they were available online and I read them. Never saw the Rather report, no interest, but I did see Bush's records and he was a technically a deserter.
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    • Author by shaggles (September 11, 2009 11:49 am ET)
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      There's no evidence that Bush had any success at fighting terrorism. The few successes that happened to occur during his administration had nothing to do with his policies.
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      • Author by jjamele2880 (September 11, 2009 12:01 pm ET)
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        He did, however, have a great deal of success in inventing bs "plots" which he could then swoop in and "foil," for the purpose of raising anxiety levels and convincing just enough people to vote for him in 2004 (perhaps.)

        He also had a great deal of success in smearing his political opponents as un-American (just ask Max Cleland) and getting gullible, frightened idiots to vote them out of office.

        Actually fighting terrorism? Not so much.
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      • Author by jwcoop715110 (September 11, 2009 1:27 pm ET)
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        If you're gonna confine shameless shrub shills like Sammon to the facts, you're really not leavin' 'em much of an act to work with.
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    • Author by SLRTX (September 11, 2009 12:05 pm ET)
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      Ok, I'll admit it. You are making me tell you all something that is supposed to be secret.

      Here it is....

      I am the reason Al Qaeda has not struck again.

      Yep. Hold the applause please.

      I am telling you this only because I don't have to prove how I did it, or show direct evidence.

      I only have to say I did it, in order for you to believe me.

      Oh? You ask why didn't I get Bin Laden yet?

      Well, that part wasn't my job. I kinda thought I'd leave something for Bush to do. Sorry. Guess I should have taken care of that too. I was too complacent.
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      • Author by eweston8542983 (September 11, 2009 7:20 pm ET)
           
        I'd have been on it, but I had to take my superhero tights to the dry cleaners on 9/12. Shiny objects kept distracting me after that.
        If only I'd gone for wash and wear.
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    • Author by overmars jr. (September 11, 2009 1:19 pm ET)
         
      Oh sweet Christmas.
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