Cavuto lets Stein falsely claim "there's not one word in this bill that says we're not going to cover ... illegal aliens"
September 12, 2009 12:09 pm ET
From the September 12 edition of Fox News' Cavuto on Business:
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I'm not sure how that constitutes "damage control".
They use the emergency room as their primary care because they know they can not be turned away by law.
They come in to this country and give birth which makes the baby a us citizen that allow them to bring in their family upwards of 350 family members.
Once the baby is delivered they receive WIC and other aid for the child wic can now include the family.
Again tell my WHY the democrats want to kill the E-VERIFY BILL so all the illegal aliens will vote, the health bill may say no money to illegal aliens but there is no way to verify if they are or not.
The police are not supposed to ask if they are illegal or not go figure.
It doesn't take a whole lot of work to find people willing to supply forged documents that could easily be used to prove citizenship.
Passports might work. Only problem there is that the majority of Americans don't have passports. I guess it wouldn't be so bad if more Americans had them (and used them to see the world that exists beyond or borders).
Are we heading toward some form of a National ID card?
Birth certificate & ssn card SHOULD be sufficient as long as the proper verification is done (and you don't happen to be the first black President).
And you know, they tell me the speed limit is 70 mph, but since some people drive 80 mph and get a way with it, the law therefor does allow for 80 mph driving.
And its illegal to murder but some people murder and get a way with it. Who wrote that law? They lied when they said their law would punish murderers since a few of them have not been punished. Their law allows for murder...
As long as someone's paying into the system, who cares if they're illegal or not.
What these reform deniers don't realize is that we're paying for the health care of illegal immigrants RIGHT NOW.
The President and Congress make the laws; it is the policing forces and judicial courts in America that must make sure those laws do not get corrupted.
I mean, what're the lawmakers going to do...put in a "and we really MEAN IT!" clause in the law? If the laws state that something will not be allowed, and illegals try to circumvent it, that is not a lie by the lawmaker; it's a crime on the illegal's behalf!
I hear Beck especially, but some commentators saying America has the best healthcare in the world.
People do realise that is 100% untrue right?
I thought that was a pretty common, worldwide fact.
Or is it that when someone says it isn't, its seen as some sort of attack on Republicans and support for Obama so its just biased?
Because Beck et. al have this this uncanny way of confusing the viewing/listening audience between the definitions of health-coverage and doctor care.
The United States' doctor care is, by far, the best in the world....no disputing that.
Its the coverage that is lacking
How's that working out?
The congress is not done with this yet. Saying something is allowed because when it is not allowed it is not enforced consistently still does not mean that it is allowed.
Look, maybe I omit something on my tax return. Audits are not everywhere and I might get away with it. Does that make my ommission allowed. I am sure if I eventually get caught, the "its allowed because its not enforced all the time" defense will not get me very far.
The ammendments were a bit of grandstanding because they're unnecessary and redundant.
Here's an article that tells why the House plan will actually help curb illegals and what the administration is currently doing to thwart illegal immigrants.
http://www.truthout.org/091209Z?n
And the new bill :
H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS
Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.
http://factcheck.org/2009/07/misleading-gop-health-care-claims/
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.txt.pdf
Then they change their wording to, there is no "enforcement" to prohibit illegal immigrants from getting health insurance.
Mark my word on this one. The democrats being spineless will add language to the bill to enforce the denying of illegal immigrants from buying health insurance. Then the right wing crackpots will just start on the "weakness" of the enforcement language.
The bottom line s that we could round up every illegal immigrant, tattoo on their forehead, "I'm illegal, so don't sell me health insurance", and you know what, the right wing crackpots will still be against health care reform.
The bottom line is the right wing crackpots DO NOT WANT health care reform.
It's easy to get caught up in the talking points and the lies, but when you strip it all away, the right cares more about insurance companies than they do about their fellow Americans.
What still amazes me is how meek the Democrats are on this issue. They have the power they've always wanted and yet they're still treating the Republicans like they matter. What's the point in having power if you don't use it?
I'd love to see them give the Republicans the middle finger, enforce strict party discipline within their ranks and get on with the job they were elected to do.
Ultimately they don't want a country that is contaminated with liberalism and progressives.
They want a country that is conservative, 100 percent.
This means they want a country that is ungovernable to anyone but a conservative. This means they don't want a real debate and they don't want a media that seriously considers diverse political views. That is why they can listen to hours of hanity and rush and complain that the media is disfunctionally liberal. Any viewpoints that are not conservative or libertarian are to them, by definition, marginal.
The last thing they want is for a government leader to solve a problem that highlights our country's imbalances using the public sector. They don't want us to have a society that can solve problems through our elected officials and government agencies. They want our democratic institution to be so limited that any significant societal action comes from corporate and market driven interaction. Ultimately they want us to be weak and ineffective but ideologically pure and conservative.
But we want them to be able to buy full price health insurance - it is better for all of us if they are insured and get sick than if they are not insured and then get sick. If they are insured, and get sick, they have paid for some of that care. If they aren't insured, they haven't paid for any of their care. If they don't get sick, but are insured, then their insurance premiums help to pay for someone else's care. If they don't get sick but don't have insurance, then they aren't subsidizing anyone else's health care costs.
I don't understand why it's so hard to understand why it's in everyone's best interest to allow illegal immigrants to have health insurance that they pay for. But we're not going to allow them to have subsidized health insurance.
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http://www.schneier.com/essay-160.html
SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS.
I think illegal immigrants falls into that. This is your typical play on words so that you may have trouble searching for it in the bill. Most of the good guys are smarter than that. One of the women on TV, that was denouncing the bill, did a whole lot of that.
I did briefly hear Obama say on TV today that proof of citizenship will be required. That needs to be positively and expressly inserted into the bill via the house and means committee, to close the loopholes. It also needs to specify harsh penalties for infractions of abuse.
He thinks Evolution is "just a theory", and worse - that the myth of "intelligent design" should be taught as science in schools.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yzgBj8deKE
He's STUPID!
If this is type of raw material the Republican party wants as their "base", then they are the party of stupid.
And it's too bad, because there are good people in the Republican party.
But officially in my view, the Republican party as of now, is know as the party of stupid.
5th line should read:
"If this is the type of raw material the Republican party wants as their "base", then they are the party of stupid."
7th line should read:
"But officially in my view, the Republican party as of now, is known as the party of stupid."
Any illegal immigrant that would receive care under the public option would NOT be doing so legally.