Wilson is "grateful" to appear with Wallace, who doesn't ask him to reconcile claim he "support[s] civility" with actions
September 13, 2009 11:44 am ET
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It's truely amazing how low a Son is willing to go to acheive his own Fame.
It would be kinder if Chris Wallace would just Spit in his Father's Face.
Or has it always been Chris Wallace's plan to force his Father to lower his Head in Disgrace?
Speak truth to power.
Mr. News
Prove it.
In short, you should be diabetic from all the Fox Kool-Aid you imbibe, you should be the proud owner of the Excellence in Gullibility Award, and you haven't the first clue how imbecilic you appear. Definitely the typical conservative.
Now come up with something about liberals. But, judging from the history of every post you have made here, you will not be logical, clear, concise, or lucid when you attempt it.
LOL!!!!!
Starkers, do yourself a favor and look up the word IRONY in the dictionary before you further embarrass yourself.
I think you just demonstrated exactly why it is easy to refute wingnuts.
Nah -- I think he was talking to starkcr . . .
That's what we were talking about. Try to stay focused.
Thanks for proving you have zero concept of either.
Starkey's right; that was spelling.
THIS is grammar:
And he's actually got spelling and grammar boners there, a wingnut two-fer!
I drive the stretch on a regular basis, and notice that the potheads in the "Legalize Hemp" group tend to beat the daylights out of the "Impeach Obama!*" groups in the spelling and grammar departments, not to mention having signs that look like they were designed and produced by adults with some sense of aesthetics as far as color schemes and lettering.
* or "impeech O'Bamma!"
please tell me you aren't really that stupid. Although, from your history, no one will believe you.
I started Kindergarten after the Summer of Love, I don't smoke weed, and I don't even own one Grateful Dead album. I noticed that the hemp people seem brighter than the teabaggers that I drive past, and you translated that as hooking up with my fellow hippies?
And noticing that certain people aren't very good at making signs looks to you like "trash people that disagree with you"?
I don't have any authority over spelling or grammar. Do you think illiteracy is just another opinion? It's not, no more than lies are just another version of the truth.
I think you've hit rock bottom here.
Do you mean half the time I spend at this site? Unfortunately, I could probably divvy that up into half of it discussing conservative propaganda, and the other half trying to explain simple concepts to wingnuts, or trying to get them to form complete sentences so that everybody else knows what the heck they're talking about.
To quote Joe Bob Briggs, "I don't know why i have to explain this stuff to you."
Except I don't believe the guy looks like he's up for rational discussion whether he dissents from his high horse or not.
Remember ........... , <---(comma)
descent ............. from your high horse is
the highest ........... mountain and a
form of patriotic .... ..uh.. goodness!
Do you ever make a comment about the topic, or are you just here trying to drum up pity for yourself?
grammar: the study of the classes of words, their inflections, and their functions and relations in the sentence.
Not spelling.
Starkers, why do you hate me just because I disagree with you? Is it because I do it logically and with facts, unlike you, with your hippie-like flights of illogic and ignorance?
How's that, Colonel?
Relevant?
Spelling aside, Fox Noise reports the news?????
And getting back to the spelling, simple error my a**!
You take the time to join your fellow loonies and you CAN'T take the time to spell correctly? And if you can't spell AND you believe Fox Noise reports the news, that tell me spelling is the LEAST of your problems!
The teabagger didn't show it to anyone before he pulled it out?
How many opportunities did the person have to rewrite it?
What happened, only one brown paper bag to write on?
Anyway, it's clear that a Primary Purpose of Fox News it to aid its viewers to come infrom sanity...and then keep them out of sanity's reach.
The sign merely shorthands that.
You're right, Dolly:
I just thought it'd be fun to show. :-)
Your text to link here...
and last but certainly not least!
This reminds me, a while back, my wingnut co-workers were sending around an email of some people marching in an MLK Day parade, with the phrase "I have a Dream" misspelled more than once. I thought it was funny, and the nutters thought it was hilarious.
I wonder why that was funny to them , and not this? Was there some difference in the people holding the signs? I just can't put my finger on it.
BTW, I am 100% in favor of the pubic option.
Still can't figure out why Republicans found this one so much funnier than the teabagger pics. Hmmm....
And just in case you didn't know he pretends to have a Masters degree in something, he used the word "therefore" to sum up.
And who was it who yelled the loudest about that and said they'd keep their kids out of school that day? Oh yeah -- some teabagging, neocon parents . . .
Welcome to Planet Wingnut!
Where giving a tax break to 95% of Americans is "redistribution of wealth" . . .
. . . while giving a tax cut to the richest 1% and corporations is "stimulating the 'engine' of the economy" . . .
You're not only a hick, you're still an ass.
That doesn't even make sense. Nice try though.
You don't seem to understand that you're digging yourself deeper and deeper into a pit the more you try to defend yourself. It's entertaining, but kind of pathetic.
You have a very hard time reading simple declarative sentences for comprehension, don't you?
...thes folk, who are purely mis-inoformed and honestly, not very literate...are going around screaming (not literally) as loud as they can about the things that concern them...
...while this is commendably in a country where most people are passive about government and politics, it is also quite disturbing the substance of their disagreements...
...Obama is apparently a socialist elitist who is trying to destroy and take over the country; this considering that he is (in JUST 8 MONTHS) already the most transparent leader the US has ever had, this also considering that he has been pitching his goods to masses of people (supporters and doubters alike) all through his presidency and not just making decisions behind a big desk in Washington...
...Obama is also supposedly trying to get government to take over health care so that the governement can take control of supplying health care for people...(no one is yet to explain why this would be of benefit to the governemt!!), when what he is proposing is an alternative to the status quo of insurance companies who care NOTHING about patients dieing being the sole bill payer to the actual care givers.
The government does threaten to disrupt the insurance institution with the occurernce/existence of a public obtion, but you are telling me that considering that right now, the insurance companies are unchecked and people are dieing (more than 3 x the amount on 9/11 every year) because of the nonchalant attitude of the industry, that it is wrong somehow??...WHO DO YOU SUGGEST TAKE UP THIS FIGHT AGAINST THE INDUSTRY??
...Also, Obama wants to run everything from car companies to banks to the health industry when Obama's administration DID NOT pass the bank bail out bill or the auto company stimuli...the last adminsitration did, now that point is not a hit on the last administration, it is JUST THE TRUTH (the other truth is that, without the passing of those bills, the unemployment and financial situations in the USA would be almost 10x worse, i find it funny how people dont seem to recognize that) lest you forgot, the last administration passed the stimuli for the banks without properly managing its implementation, it has actually been the OBAMA administration who have stepped in to insist on more accountability on the monies spent (SAME with the AUTO INDUSTRY).
Now, the underlying problem we have here is this...government and corruption and mis-management of tax payers money...now THAT, we can all agree is an epidemic that needs to be controlled, i have to say, in my opinion, having studied African/European and US government ways (not academically, but from the side lines), the things being said and being proposed by the government in the USA now, seem to me to present the people with more of a fighting chance of what seems to have been runaway capitalism...lest you also are unaware, Capitalism unchecked is the reason why there has been A BIG part of the reason why there is as much corruption in what is supposed to be one of if not the greatest democracies in the world.
You should do yourself a favour and take one tiny step back from your ideological view of what is and should be and make your decisions based on all the facts that ARE and USED TO be.
a typical example of the Obama critism run amok is the idea of insisting the government is trying to brainwash children BEFORE he even gives the SPEECH, at first i thought this was just about fear of this guy, then i realized it is more accurately about FEAR OF HIS POPULARITY AND FEAR OF THE POSSIBILITIES OF THE BIG DIFFERENCE THOSE OF US IN THE REAL WORLD KNOW HE IS GOING TO MAKE.
OT to WK- watched your movie recommendation last night- thumbs up, thanks.
Yes God Bless Amercia
Thank you 7 ox -------- News
7or keeping us Infromed
That's a serious partiot right there! Big love for his counrty and the English (or is it Amercian?) languish. Langauge? I don't know anymore! HELP ME, 7OX!!!
I remember reading that famous Dr Seuss book to my nephew, 7ox in Socks...
And, to be fair, some people, (myself included, sometimes) make a capital F with the top stroke to the right, as that signmaker did. I don't cross my 7s like the Europeans do, although I usually put a point on my 1s (ones) to distinguish them from lower-case Ls.
It could also be one of those damned liberal plants. We're capable of just about anything you know.
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Other than that, your comment is very pretty. Shiny.
And then you went out and made a campaign ad where you promised you won't be muzzled.
What a weasel.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/06/AR2005050601814.html
Just because he didn't scream it doesn't mean it was any less out of line. Wilson was out of line and DID apologize but now the democrats are demanding an apology on the floor of congress. I'd like to know why he has to do that but Harry Reid doesn't.
Until he mans up and cops to his mistake, the apology is meaningless.
Wilson is a damn liar, and your his willing stooge.
REALITY: House bill stipulates that those "not lawfully present" may not receive subsidies to purchase insurance. Under the "Individual Affordability Credits" section of the America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009:
SEC. 242. AFFORDABLE CREDIT ELIGIBLE INDIVIDUAL.
(a) DEFINITION. --
(1) IN GENERAL. -- For purposes of this division, the term ''affordable credit eligible individual'' means, subject to subsection (b), an individual who is lawfully present in a State in the United States (other than as a nonimmigrant described in a subparagraph (excluding subparagraphs (K), (T), (U), and (V)) of section 101(a)(15) of the Immigration and Nationality Act) --
[...]
SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS.
Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.
Senate HELP bill excludes those "not lawfully present" from federal funding. Under the "Making Coverage Affordable" section of the Affordable Health Choices Act:
(h) NO FEDERAL FUNDING. -- Nothing in this Act shall allow Federal payments for individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.
http://mediamatters.org/research/200909080001
Not only is he a liar and YOU his fool he is also a hyprocrite:
However, in 2003, Wilson voted to provide federal funds for illegal immigrants’ healthcare. The vote came on the Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement and Modernization Act of 2003, which contained Sec. 1011 authorizing $250,000 annually between 2003 and 2008 for government reimbursements to hospitals who provide treatment for uninsured illegal immigrants. The program has been extended through 2009 and there is currently a bipartisan bill in Congress to make it permanent.
Hospitals have a legal obligation to treat everyone who comes in seeking care, regardless of citizenship status, insurance or other characteristics. This means that hospitals treat millions of people every year who don’t have the means to pay. Obviously, this drives up the nation’s healthcare costs overall. Section 1011 helps cushion the costs for hospitals, but it’s not nearly enough to cover the actual costs in most areas.
To be fair, Section 1011 is just a small part of a much larger bill that contained many Republican priorities. Still, Wilson’s protest against the current healthcare reform proposal giving coverage to illegal immigrants (which is false), is in direct contradiction to his 2003 vote. Allowing illegal immigrants to purchase unsubsidized healthcare through the Exchange that would be set up under the current proposal wouldn’t cost taxpayers a cent, and it would be a step towards fixing the problem that Section 1011 was designed to throw federal money at.
http://www.opencongress.org/articles/view/1219-Joe-Wilson-Voted-to-Provide-Taxpayer-Money-for-Illegal-Immigrants-Healthcare
Your attempt at trying to find some equivalency is sad and makes you look foolish something I guess you are comfortable with because you do it often. Tell me again about your masters, you are living proof that you can't cure stupid.
On the other hand President Obama wasn't the one lying as I've shown you it was Wilson that lied and you have not shown anything close to being the same. So your puerile question doesn't make any damn sense.
Did George Bush lie about WMD, torture, connection of Sadam and Iraq to Al-Queda and 9/11,hell yes! Does that make him a war criminal,according to international law,hell yes. George Bush destroyed the economy , ruined our reputation, tortured people, wiretaped Americans without warrants, and left with one of the lowest approval ratings of any president in our history and that makes him a loser in my book, but was he called any of those things while he spoke on the floor of congress. NO!
Well, let's see:
"loser" -- Bush himself described the result of the '06 midterm as a "thumpin'"
"liar" -- he lied about both Iraq's connection to Al-Qaeda and its WMD capability to get us into war
"war criminal" -- he approved both "extraordinary rendition" and "enhanced interrogation" for enemy combatants - in violation of int'l law
Maybe those comments weren't so outrageous, after all . . .
I don't think you're going to be able to explain a false equivalency here to somebody who can't distinguish between that and somebody screaming at the president in the middle of a speech, screaming something objectively wrong, not retracting his statement, and exploiting that outburst to raise funds.
If Reid called Bush a "liar" (no evidence presented of that, btw), there's also a difference, as there are so many documented lies by Bush, making it a true, if inappropriate, statement.
But once again, we're being asked to follow wingnut rules, where lies and truth are simply two opposing views.
They may not have yelled loser or liar but more than one politician did interrupt former President Bush during his State of The Union address, not just another campaign speech.
You really need to stop arriving unarmed when wits are required.
OK, you're half-armed.
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/obama-heckler-joe-wilson-member-neo
He insisted Van Jones "had to go" because of his "fake apology" and connections to radicals.
I haven't seen Pointy around, but I can't wait to see him explain why Wilson doesn't "have to go".
ENOUGH with the pathetic excuses!!
No "left leaning organizations" caused Wilson to shout at the President and call him a liar, Wilson did that all on his own.
And then, this pathetic jacka**, goes out and tries to raise money off of HIS inexcusable, unacceptable behavior?
And YOU have the nerve to call that fair?
No matter who is in the White House, EVERYONE should respect of the office of the presidency. You DO NOT not call the President of the United States a LIAR!
And before you site that old Republican whine about Democrats booing Bush, Republicans were just as rude to Bill Clinton.
PAUL BEGALA (CNN host): In 1993, I was with President Bill Clinton in that House chamber when he addressed a joint session of Congress. And Republicans heckled him when he cited Congressional Budget Office statistics about the deficit. [CNN, Crossfire, 2/3/05]
But NO Democrat EVER shouted out and called President Bush a LIAR!
When someone is invited into your house to speak, you treat them with RESPECT, something Republicans can't spell or understand.
Not that he didn't lie then, too.
I am so sending some money to Rob Miller to aid in his quest in unseating this right-wing fool!
For you trolls that will likely come in here...
It is not that this bonehead said what he said, whether true or not is not the point!!
It is that he yelled it out right in the middle of a presidential speech to Congress and to We the People!
It was rude and obnoxious and against historical decorum and protocol!
This is indicative to just how bad the political discourse has become in America because of ideologically bent right-wing thugs who have no respect, it seems, for the office of the POTUS... or is it because its a Democrat? A black man? in the White House?!
I'm curious, where did you learn to read? Where, in my post above did I say that what the Dems did was perfectly okay?
The only mention of any elected Democratic official came from you, not me!
A collective 'booing' from one party to another is not the issue! Is not in the same category as when one elected official takes it upon himself to yell out an accusation!
And I'm also curious to know what you mean by 'shameful displays' by Democrats over the last 8 years?
Are you talking about the few times a couple brave Democrats tried to speak up about how wrong it was for Bush to invade a country that had done nothing to hurt us? You know, those few who were ceremoniously disparaged as un-American or un-Patriotic?
Or the few unelected non-partisan players like Scott Ritter or Hans Blix who were trying to get the truth out there about just what exactly was happening in Iraq, before the invasion began as it pertained to WMD's NOT existing in Iraq by that time?
Or the few brave media souls that tried to expose some of the lies of the Bush regime, but were labeled as left-wing loons or partisans hacks.
Those shameful displays?
As for having the nerve to call out Republicans, I'll go one more for ya and call you out for being a brainless twit who seems to want to live his life with his head up his...
Please, present away!
If you like something, you applaud. If you disagree with something, you boo and hiss. Doesn't matter who that person is, or what their position may be. It is an expression of disagreement while allowing the person to continue, and here's the important part, without being interupted.
This is why, when the Congressman cried out, "you lie," that it was so absolutely inappropriate. It went from an expression of derision to an outright challenge in two little words.
The House Democrats are taking this to far. The Democrats are going to appear mean and vindictive if he gets called out on the floor. I think the Democrats are frustrated with the wingnut media (they should be) but this isn't the place to let their frustration and anger with them hamper their judgement. Nancy Pelosi should just let this one go.
It's insincere of him to say, "Gee, I said I was sorry," and then turn around, play the victim, and try to raise money out of all of this. I'll say this again--he's a weasel and he deserves to take his lumps.
There is an old saying: If you want to win the war, choose your battles.
The likes of Limbaugh, Hannity, and Fox News will have a field day with this. I can just hear it: "Princess Pelosi has humiliated a Republican Congressman because he was rude to the Messiah." They will spew their propaganda for days with Joe Wilson hitting every talk show he can. He will be touted as brave and courageous for standing up to the President.
It is not worth giving this putz the air time.
So, I say let them give Joe his well deserved public scolding--and let the Limbaughs, the Hannitys, the Becks, and the rest of the cast of clowns continue to make fools out of themselves by screaming about it.
The bigger issue is why conservatives are debating so dishonestly with the goal of spreading fear and hysteria. Can't they convince us with logic, evidence and civil discourse. This says a lot about how winning is more important than problem solving with them.
Speaking of which, it is interesting when the congressmen explained his lack of civilty as being a "town hall moment". I guess when you go "town hall" on somebody, civilty should not be expected.
Joe the non plumber
Kenneth Gladney
Gun-toters
Etc.
"Media Matters for America is a Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media."
There you go assuming that those of here at MMfA only watch the select video or audio clips MMfA provides. I can't speak for everyone here, but I can only imagine that these 'clips' are teasers for us to consume so that we can all go out of our way and watch the entire clips (unless they are provided here already)
I would seriously question a typical right-wing knuckle-drager going much beyond hearing/watching the offered stupid by Rush, Fox Noise, or name your right-wing hack on TV or radio!
Guess it is hard to follow in the foot steps of a legend. Maybe he should have tried his hand at an easier career, say pornography. Oh, wait he does work at Faux news.
While you're liking your "honest politicians" and commending Wilson you might want to ask Wilson about HIS support for tax payer funds for health-care for illegal immigrants.
In 2003, Wilson voted to provide federal funds for illegal immigrants’ healthcare. The vote came on the Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement and Modernization Act of 2003, which contained Sec. 1011 authorizing $250,000 annually between 2003 and 2008 for government reimbursements to hospitals who provide treatment for uninsured illegal immigrants.
And all of the assurances in the world CANNOT help if either YOU or Wilson CAN'T READ!!!
H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS
Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.
The preceding section reiterates this, stating that “the term ‘affordable credit eligible individual’ means … an individual who is lawfully present in a State in the United States.” In other words, no federal subsidies for you if you’re in the country illegally. Besides, illegal immigrants aren’t eligible for federal health programs under current law. (Tax dollars do, however, cover emergency care.)
1. Joe Wilson is a Great American who Says What He Means and Means What He Says.
2. Obama is jealous of Wilson because Obama does not have the courage of his convictions, like Wilson does.
3. Glenn Beck is a Great American because he singlehandedly put together these tea parties.
I don't know who the "Red Hat Ladies" are- maybe they were making fun of the teabaggers? It was hard to believe that they were serious.
Maybe tea baggers are really just performance artists...?