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Limbaugh refers to "2 million people crowd" at 9/12 protests

September 14, 2009 12:56 pm ET

From the September 14 edition of Premiere Radio Networks' The Rush Limbaugh Show:

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    • Author by dr. matt (September 14, 2009 12:59 pm ET)
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      Actually, drugbaugh, there were a Trillion Gazillion teabaggers at the whinefest 2009.

      [http://www.fulltimecasual.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/800px-dr_evil.jpg]
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    • Author by PurpleState (September 14, 2009 12:59 pm ET)
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      You lie!
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      • Author by dmhack (September 14, 2009 2:21 pm ET)
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        And they're not doing a good job of it either.

        They can't get their numbers straight which have ranged from 100,000 to 500,000 to 1.2 million and now 2 million.

        I think they got all flustered when they saw the sad little turn out they had managed to muster.
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    • Author by Conchobhar (September 14, 2009 1:00 pm ET)
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      Dan's Bake Sale actually had closer to two million than this event.
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    • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (September 14, 2009 1:00 pm ET)
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      There wouldn't have been two million people there even if everyone who attended had multiple personalities.
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    • Author by marco21 (September 14, 2009 1:08 pm ET)
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      I am having a dinner party with some tea baggers on Saturday. I am serving anywhere from 7 to 3.7 billion.
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (September 14, 2009 1:14 pm ET)
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        I'm guessing most of them won't even touch their food.
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        • Author by marco21 (September 14, 2009 1:16 pm ET)
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          Please, did you see pics of the 9/12 march? I thought it was a pro-heart disease march at first sponsored by the corn syrup lobby.
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          • Author by dmhack (September 14, 2009 2:17 pm ET)
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            Thanks, for two great laughs, Marco.

            You know, when I saw the marching doughboys and girls on Saturday I kept wondering why they were against health care reform because if any group needed better access to doctors, this was the group.
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    • Author by pilotshark (September 14, 2009 1:08 pm ET)
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      Well guessing they are counting there imaginary friends as well. That way they can come up with a number like that.

      At lease thats only way i can see how they get a figure like that.
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      • Author by worrierking (September 14, 2009 1:14 pm ET)
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        Teabaggers have more imaginary enemies than they do imaginary friends.
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      • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (September 14, 2009 1:18 pm ET)
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        I've seen a running theme from the teabaggers, that "for every person who attended, X more wanted to be there"

        I've seen 10, 20 and even 100 in place of X, so maybe they're including the hypothetical people who wanted to attend. Those men in the coats don't just lave the asylum doors unlocked, you know.

        Or, as Bill Maher suggested the other night, many may have been confused an gone to Washington State.
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        • Author by magnolialover (September 14, 2009 1:25 pm ET)
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          Simply put, if these people really wanted to be there, and really wanted to attend, then why didn't they?

          Looking back on Inauguration, estimates for the crowd for that gathering was almost 2 million (1.8 million), and the Mall was covered completely with almost no room to spare from the West Lawn down back PAST the Lincoln Memorial.

          No way this crowd even approached that massive onslaught.
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        • Author by foghornleghorn (September 14, 2009 2:44 pm ET)
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          X more wanted to be there"

          Why could that be?

          The pick up truck broke down. The nursing home wouldn't let them leave. They couldn't read a map.
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        • Author by shaggles (September 14, 2009 5:51 pm ET)
             
          HA. Good one. And for every person that voted for McCain 10 more wanted to vote for him so he actually won by a huge landslide.
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    • Author by epkklk851 (September 14, 2009 1:14 pm ET)
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      They were tidy, which explains why the trash cans in the area were full of revolting teabag posters. Here again, is a link to my pictures.

      http://cid-8fa5718388d6cbd2.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/9%2012%20March%20on%20DC
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    • Author by pros2pros2940 (September 14, 2009 1:23 pm ET)
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      Anatomy of right wing lies :

      Somewhere some whack job makes a claim and then it echoes through right wing radio to Fox and keeps going until the next lie.
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    • Author by blueline99 (September 14, 2009 1:28 pm ET)
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      I believe this 9/12 event has really exposed an obvious point and flaw with the Fox News, Glenn Beck's and Rush Limbaugh's of the world.

      Michael Moore is often criticized for his style of film making, which is to have a point of view and then in a mock documentary style, assemble footage and data to substantiate that point of view. It's not fair or balanced but it can be very effective.

      Well, Limbaugh and Beck trying to inflate the value of the 9/12 teabaggers is the same thing. They already were operating on the premise that there was this grass roots uprising in this country in support of their myopic beliefs. They are looking for validation wherever they can find it, even if they have to make it up. Or in Beck's case in Rockefeller commissioned art in Rockefeller Plaza.

      Claiming that there were 2 million people at the 9/12 event is obviously the sign of needy people in search of validation. They have stepped into the fringe elements of our society.
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      • Author by dr. matt (September 14, 2009 1:35 pm ET)
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        Claiming that there were 2 million people at the 9/12 event is obviously the sign of needy people in search of validation.


        That's exactly why they and their pathetic followers are always ranting on about the so-called "ratings". They are sad little people in desperate need of validation and "accomplishment".
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        • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (September 14, 2009 1:42 pm ET)
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          Right, Blueline and Dr. Matt, and I'd add a dose of Groupthink and maybe more importantly, the Appeal to Popularity logical fallacy.

          If you ever watch Fox News, pay attention to how many times they cite a survey or poll asking how many people "believe" something, then discuss that belief (no matter how unsupported) as a fact, or at least a trend. The "belief" is generally something that Fox has been promoting as fact.
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          • Author by blueline99 (September 14, 2009 2:06 pm ET)
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            You're right... Jon Stewart pointed out that whenever they do a survey, it always comes back that 93% agree with Fox News.
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    • Author by New Frontier (September 14, 2009 1:32 pm ET)
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      They really should rename it the "1/12" event, seeing as how the actual crowd was about 1/12 the size of what they claim.
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      • Author by foghornleghorn (September 14, 2009 2:47 pm ET)
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        They should rename it the 1/20 event. That's when the black man became president.
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    • Author by Major Tom (September 14, 2009 1:36 pm ET)
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      They can say whatever they'd like... It doesn't translate into actual voters. The more they hype the numbers the more disappointed they make themselves come the next election.
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    • Author by highliter (September 14, 2009 1:41 pm ET)
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      Do tell us MMFA how many people were there then?
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      • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (September 14, 2009 1:43 pm ET)
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        A small fraction of the 2 million that 's being claimed by Boss Hogg and other propagandists.
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      • Author by PurpleState (September 14, 2009 1:45 pm ET)
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        Less than 2 million.
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      • Author by The_Cat (September 14, 2009 1:51 pm ET)
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        D.C. fire officials, who have some experience gauging crowds of this size, estimated no more than 70,000.

        Maybe you have some pictures from the million man march, with the flag at half staff, that you'd like to palm off as pictures from the 9-12 tea bag rally, in an effort to fraudulently boost those numbers, though, highliter. If so, I'd be happy to debunk them for you...
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        • Author by highliter (September 14, 2009 1:59 pm ET)
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          Really please provide official link on that. Not a unofficial report from a ABC affiliate.
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        • Author by highliter (September 14, 2009 1:59 pm ET)
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          Really please provide official link on that. Not a unofficial report from a ABC affiliate.
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          • Author by vhw28672478 (September 14, 2009 2:11 pm ET)
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            less than 2 million
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          • Author by The_Cat (September 14, 2009 2:17 pm ET)
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            I found this:

            "ABCNews.com reported an approximate figure of 60,000 to 70,000 protesters, attributed to the Washington, D.C., fire department. In its reports, ABC News Radio described the crowd as “tens of thousands."

            -Here
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            • Author by dmhack (September 14, 2009 2:52 pm ET)
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              Why is it that the trolls are always asking us to look up things for them? Don't they know about Google?
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              • Author by The_Cat (September 14, 2009 3:46 pm ET)
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                I made the claim, I don't mind looking up the evidence, dmhack. It's part of arguing my side of things. I note however that I have not yet gotten a reply from highliter...
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                • Author by highliter (September 14, 2009 4:15 pm ET)
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                  That’s because Im at work. I have seen the ABC report the reports cites an unofficial as well a unidentified DC fire department source. I was looking for something more official. I have to no doubt that the 2 million claim is wrong Im not defending it. Im just trying to find some official estimates of some kind for anywhere.
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                  • Author by The_Cat (September 14, 2009 4:41 pm ET)
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                    I can't seem to find any original statement from the D.C. fire department, other than the one quoted by ABC. The D.C. fire department is at www.dcfd.com, and seems to have no official statement regarding crowd size. I have not called them directly yet. Can't find anything more definitive than this.

                    Sincerely glad to hear you have a job, though. In this economy, that's quite an accomplishment! :)
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                    • Author by highliter (September 14, 2009 5:16 pm ET)
                         
                      I am asking this question sincerely because I have tried to research it why would have the flag been at half staff during the million man march. I would also think there would be me proof that the picture was for a prior date other that the flag being at half staff. Has anyone asked the building manager it was on as to whether or not there flag was a half staff or not. I heard for the left that there is a building missing. However I have seen claims that the photo is for Kennedys funeral so that kind of conflict with the missing building report. I doubt that a building went up in a few weeks. Dosent seem to me like anyone know what the f there talking about.
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                      • Author by The_Cat (September 14, 2009 5:52 pm ET)
                           
                        I've heard all sorts of crazy stuff myself, highliter. Don't know what all is true, but flags were only at half staff for 9-11, and not all weekend. When they were raised on the morning of 9-12, they would have been flown full staff in D.C. as they were in the rest of the country. I ran across the claim about the building being missing, and can't find anything definitive on that. Also issues of whether it was sunny or cloudy, etc. Didn't see anything of Kennedy's funeral, so I have no idea about that.

                        I trust ABC enough to believe that they did receive word from the D.C. fire department on estimated crowd size, but I think I'm going to wait for a day or so, and let the media outlets with the time and resources to devote to an actual investigation figure some of this out. Wish I had more info or links for you.
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                      • Author by The_Cat (September 14, 2009 6:04 pm ET)
                           
                        With just a little more research, wouldn't you know it? I found this link. I doubt we have anything more definitive until tomorrow, though.
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                        • Author by highliter (September 14, 2009 7:46 pm ET)
                             
                          That not the picture any major new outlets or sites were using. They have been using the traffic cam. Beck did not use that on neither did freedomworks, or Malkin. Im not sure who was using those pictures but it sure wasn’t anyone prominent. I have been researching subject all day and that’s the first ive seen that photo. I work on a federal installation and I asked them when they stop flying there flags at half mast and they told me they didn’t change it until after lunch sometime. I did ask if there was a standard and they said no. I’ve heard people say that flags come down every night, I don’t live in DC so I cant comment on whether they do or not but I know here they stay up 24 7 here. IT will be interesting to see if anyone such as the site you mentions takes on the traffic cameras.
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                  • Author by DellDolly (September 14, 2009 5:11 pm ET)
                       
                    The DC Police will not make official attendance counts any more. Many groups won't because they get in trouble from partisans when the numbers don't meet their preconceived ideas of how many people attended. The best answer we'll get is 60-70,000 from the officials in DC giving us an unofficial number.
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              • Author by pilotshark (September 14, 2009 4:56 pm ET)
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                Smiles>>> well Google is close to George and they can not understand why it keeps coming up worst president ever of pictures of un-course geroge
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          • Author by marco21 (September 14, 2009 2:54 pm ET)
               
            Or to translate:

            "Don't use the ABC report because I know of it and don't want to deal with the reality of it."
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          • Author by snoopy (September 14, 2009 3:48 pm ET)
               
            But, I saw two million with my own eyes!
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          • Author by shaggles (September 14, 2009 5:54 pm ET)
               
            Provide an official link to the 2 million number.
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        • Author by onehunglow (September 14, 2009 3:40 pm ET)
             
          Why does the crowd size matter? There were people there to make their voices heard that they are not happy with this admonistration. Is there a problem with that?
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      • Author by worrierking (September 14, 2009 1:53 pm ET)
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        Who knows. It was a good turnout, but far fewer than projected. And many times fewer than reported by Beck or Limbaugh.

        Fewer than the anti-war demonstrations of 1969 or 2003, fewer than the Million Man March, fewer than the two million who showed up for the Obama inauguration. Probably closer to the 65,000 to 75,000 turnout for the anti-nuclear march in May of 1979.

        Fatman is saying that 2 million attended on Saturday. That is the most preposterous claim anyone's ever made. If that was two million, then 200 million attended the inauguration.


        To get away with stretching the truth, your claim needs to be believable.
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    • Author by donkeyskater (September 14, 2009 1:44 pm ET)
         
      I was there when Obama got sworn in. Those knuckle heads could not handle 2 million, trust me.
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    • Author by dsgspm (September 14, 2009 1:55 pm ET)
         
      haven't seen him in a while reasserting himself as the "leader" of the conservative movement as he's doing today. & was very entertaining watching him avoiding the mention of glenn beck
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    • Author by Boxer1979 (September 14, 2009 1:57 pm ET)
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      The 2 million people were voices in his head and he came on his radio show today to exaggerrate the claim. FAIL!
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    • Author by Boxer1979 (September 14, 2009 1:57 pm ET)
         
      The 2 million people were voices in his head and he came on his radio show today to exaggerrate the claim. FAIL!
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    • Author by fawltylogic (September 14, 2009 2:14 pm ET)
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      They will keep repeating this as long as it takes for it to become what is remembered. Amazing really.
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    • Author by o rly (September 14, 2009 3:14 pm ET)
         
      Divide that by 50, sport.
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      • Author by pilotshark (September 14, 2009 5:02 pm ET)
           
        Oh man there you go with that math stuff again,,,,, how you expect a troll to do this kinda high elevated math.

        can you give them a easier math test. like maybe how many stomps of your feet will it take to reach your IQ level.

        just saying after all its been a long hard week end of trying to count people with there toes and fingers.
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