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Defending Limbaugh, Dobbs says Wise's "racist hogwash" is that of a "self-loathing creep ... who really has no attachment to the country"

September 14, 2009 5:45 pm ET

From the September 14 broadcast of United Stations Radio Networks' Lou Dobbs Show:

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Previously:

Limbaugh observations: "Community service is one of the baby steps toward fascism," Obama "does not like this country as constituted"

Limbaugh: America is "so multicultured and fractured" that it "may be two or three different countries"

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    • Author by dmhack (September 14, 2009 5:49 pm ET)
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      Speaking of a self-loathing creep, how ya doing, Loony Lou?
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    • Author by mk3872 (September 14, 2009 5:52 pm ET)
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      Uh-oh. Lou's playing the patriot card again.

      In the conservative mind, he who wraps himself up in the U.S. flag the most is always right.
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    • Author by snoopy (September 14, 2009 5:56 pm ET)
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      I really do love watching racists work themselves up in a lather.
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    • Author by dmhack (September 14, 2009 6:00 pm ET)
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      Oh, and Loony Lou's contention about multiculturalism in Canada (after spending a couple of days there) is stupid beyond belief.

      I spent nearly 20 years in Vancouver (very multicultural) and everyone is just fine with it. It's kind of like gay marriage there, it's just the way things are.

      I still go back and keep an eye on Canadian news---multiculturalism is hardly discussed or an issue. The only people that have a hard time with it are in fact, racists.

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    • Author by open_mind (September 14, 2009 6:04 pm ET)
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      Did you hear the end? More people died fighting against slavery than died as a result of slavery? Really? Slavery was not even an issue until the middle of the war. A large portion of the folks fighting either did not care about slavery or were actively fighting to PRESERVE it!

      My God Dobbs is a moron.
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      • Author by jjamele2880 (September 14, 2009 6:27 pm ET)
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        Include the people who died in defense of slavery, then double the total number killed. Then double it again. Then double it AGAIN.

        It STILL doesn't APPROACH the number of people killed by just AMERICAN slavery- and we haven't even touched on the slavery practiced by the Spanish or the Portugese.

        Pathetic.
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        • Author by funnymanpants (September 14, 2009 7:35 pm ET)
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          >>It STILL doesn't APPROACH the number of people killed by just AMERICAN slavery

          Just for curiosity, what are the numbers here?
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          • Author by snoopy (September 14, 2009 8:01 pm ET)
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            Depends on how technical you want to get. Technically, every single slave died a victim of slavery. But it's been estimated that 13% of all slaves died onboard ships transporting them to the new world. I found this which puts the number a little higher.

            [http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstatv.htm]

            In case the image I posted doesn't show the likely estimate is that there were likely 17.8 million unnatural deaths due to various conditions.
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            • Author by funnymanpants (September 14, 2009 8:08 pm ET)
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              >>Depends on how technical you want to get.

              Jeez does Lou seem way off on this. According to your link, the lowest estimate for slaves dying is 4 million. If I am correct, about 150,000 died in the Civil war. (And of course, many of those fought to preserve slavery.) So Lou did a Malkin on this one--he is off by a factor of 25! I wonder if MMFA is aware of this gaffe as well. Might me fodder for Boehlert's column.

              (That is, if my numbers are all correct. I don't know a lot about this area.)
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              • Author by funnymanpants (September 14, 2009 8:11 pm ET)
                   
                >>That is, if my numbers are all correct. I don't know a lot about this area.

                Woops! Yes, my numbers are off. Now I am seeing that around 700,000 died in the Civil War, 360,000 Union soldiers and 250 Confederates (the rest being civilians). Dobbs still seems like he is way off.
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    • Author by GlenInPhx (September 14, 2009 6:34 pm ET)
         
      Community service should be a personal decision, not something enforced through government mandate. The quality and character of a nation can be quickly determined by examining the giving character of a people. Limbaugh's statement, if taken in the context of the non-compulsory decision of a citizen to perform community service, then this is a falsehood. However, if "community service" is forced, like a military draft, then I would argue that this is a step towards increase government control of the personal decision making process.
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    • Author by rubyslippers (September 14, 2009 6:42 pm ET)
         
      I am glad to hear someone like Lou Dobbs from the "mail stream media" to finally speak about Obama's weakness, and problems!
      Thank you Lou!
      I am tired of the left trying to brainwash Americans!
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    • Author by funnymanpants (September 14, 2009 7:35 pm ET)
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      Towards the end of the clip, Dobbs makes a bizarre argument against Wise. Wise claims that in wanting to take our country back to our founding fathers, people are making a racist argument, because slavery was in full force back then. (I think Wise's argument pretty weak, by the way.)

      Dobbs then goes on to say that the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution guarantee individual rights. (The implication is that the founding fathers created these documents, so we should revere them.) However, the constitution did not guarantee the rights of blacks! There had to be an amendment added to do this.
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      • Author by lordofthe_stringz@hotmail.com (September 14, 2009 11:53 pm ET)
           
        Well, Wise's argument was in reference to people saying that they wanted to take the country back to what the founding fathers envisioned. In saying that, one would have to believe that such a period has already existed in American history and looking further into the matter to see when that type of rhetoric began, we see that it is in response to the civil and social advances of racial/ethnic minorities, women, lgbt communities and others. That kind of talk started happening, in its modern incarnation, in the late 1960s and 1970s. It's different than when people say that they want to see our country live up to the ideals established by the founding fathers, which is what Tim Wise consistently argues for (and indeed that was the raison d'etre of the civil rights movement). It was through those movements and the continued struggle against racism that those ideals are coming into fruition, but the work is not over yet. That's the subtle difference between using language to stoke resentment about the progress of peoples whose causes are construed as being part of a "liberal agenda" and using language to motivate our country to be better than it presently is.

        You make a great point about the need for a constitutional amendment to extend constitutional coverage to blacks though. It only took 81 years. All the founding fathers were dead and gone by then, as were their slaves.
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    • Author by MrMustachMan (September 14, 2009 11:32 pm ET)
         
      Does he have statistics saying that more Americans died then all of slavery throughout the history of the USA? Or is that just speculation.
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