Monica Crowley: "The things that we did" to detainees to extract information "happens everyday at an American fraternity"

At least that's what the frat boys used to tell Monica before attaching car batteries to her genitals.

So, you'll be lining up with Hannity just any day to be waterboarded for charity on behalf of the Afghan and Iraqi orphans right?

I guess she won't mind standing naked in my room with a pair of my soiled underpants on her head, right?

Except -

- fraternity guys haven't lost their freedom
- fraternity guys are still in contact with their families
- fraternity guys are not denied their most basic of human rights
- fraternity guys are not subjected to threats of bodily harm
- fraternity guy's families are not threatened with the loss of their freedoms and bodily harm
- fraternity guys do not have firearms placed to their heads and the triggers pulled
- fraternity guys are not subjected to staged executions
- fraternity guys usually subject themselves to hazing voluntarily

Excuse me Ms. Crowley, but I believe you dropped you False Equivalency crown, Long live the Queen!

I'm just so sick of these people. They're addressing the wrong issue.

It DOESN'T MATTER whether torture "worked" when the US did it on foreigners, although there's no reason to think it did.

The reason the US doesn't torture is that we don't want OUR OWN TROOPS to be tortured by our enemies.

If we torture, then anyone we perceive as a threat can justify torturing US military members.

If we don't torture, ideally our enemies will respond by doing the same -- NOT torturing American military members.

If the US doesn't torture, but our enemies do, then we still have the ability to point out THEIR bad acts, while they have nothing similar to point to on our side as a justification. That means we can make them look bad to their potential friends and allies, thus undermining the enemy's ability to keep fighting us.

The reason we do not torture is that "supporting the troops" means we cannot surrender the moral high ground.

When you maintain your ability to process facts and reach rational conclusions, it's clear that whether torture "works" is irrelevant.

At the start of the clip Pat Buchanan trots out the old saw about how Bush and Cheney deserve credit for keeping America safe.

In response, I'll break out my same response---Bush and Cheney were on the job when 9/11 happened. Nice work at keeping us safe.

Torture does not work. If anything it endangers our country even more. I love these repugs and talking heads for the right who are all for torturing and sending kids overseas to fight in unjust wars. How would they feel about torture if one of their kids was being held by the taliban. If they saw their son or daughter kneeling with a blindfold on in front of hooded men holding automatic rifles and swords, Do you think they would still support torture. Im willing to bet their attitude would change pretty quickly.

This lying plagiarist is disgusting. How she doesn't have her own Fox show yet is beyond me.

Well Monica, it may have been things that happened to YOU at the frat parties!

The McLaughlin Group used to be so good, it has turned into a Fox clone. If you listen to Crowley on radio you have to turn it off because of the personal anger she injects toward Obama, it transcends opinion.

so according to crowley (who i had no idea worked at the totally discredited washington times) thinks that the detainees were tortured by getting spanked by paddles and other juvenile acts to get information from them?

So Crowley is arguing... what, that fraternities should be banned? She may even have a case there.

Fraternities kill people under interogation? They use isolation to such an extent that it causes psychosis? Fraternities use water boarding? Fraternities use interdiction? Then let's ban fraternities...

Republican perverts have a hard time telling the difference between their sex games ant torture.They are so much alike.

Fellow Matterers,

The Abu-Gahrib, Class of 2009, formally invites you to its commencement ceremonies. taaaaa,ta-ta-ta,ta,ta... Abu-U! The fighting infidels!

Is Ms. Crowley saying prisoners are underclassmen? Would that mean water-boarding is a freshman course? What is the minimum salary for a PhD. in torture? Is Sadism a major? What are the hazing rituals, for women?

No. I think it not possible. Then again, no one mocked her comment. Would that mean she is right? I still disagree.

It be it,
Ronin Kannushi.

The national college fraternal organizations may want to respond to Ms. Crowley's charge. I would think that her characterization of activities in frat houses might make parents think twice before allowing their children to join these organizations.
The more important point is that, other than basing their claims on emotions, the right has not demonstrated that torture works. It is immoral and acts as a recruiting tool for those who want to do this country and its people harm.

That is Ann Coulter's right-winged sister alright. SMH! LISTEN MONICA! If you haze at colleges to where it is mentally or physically damaging to the pledge you will get kicked out of college and might even go to jail! I guess she forgot the college or high school football players who did the stunt of the movie The Program??? Everyday we find out who the retatrds are! SMH!