CNN's Anderson Cooper and panel challenge tea partier Williams over his history of incendiary anti-Obama remarks

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The answer is teabaggers are being treated to a taste of their own medicine.

So answer the question, if "teabaggers" are un-American, were the liberals who attacked Bush?

Right after you look up "straw man," go a few pages earlier in your book of logical fallacies and check out "false equivalence."

You really don't know how to present an argument rationally, do you?

And, no, I won't answer a question based upon lies. What negative things were said about Bush that weren't true, and therefore simple statements of objective fact?

The difference, idiot, is we had an election and Obama won. That is democracy. The people have spoken. Now Obama is trying to carry out all the things he campaigned on. Those who did not vote for Obama and those on the losing side should now wait to the next election. That is democracy. What these stupid tea baggers are doing is spitting on democracy, by ignoring the process for personal reasons. That is un-American. Their behavior is un-American and full of racist overtone. Do you understand? Bush should have been called names, like liar, mass murderer, deceiver and trader for spitting on the constitution. Bush earned those names, thanks to lying about his reason to go to war, missing in action during Katrina and his suspicious reaction to the 9/11 attacks on America. You are a fool to try and make a comparison. Obama has over 3 years left on his term in office, and he is doing well, despite these uneducated hateful Tea baggers, birthers, deathers and racist bastards.

I will answer said question. But first, I believe the logical term for this question is a false equivalence. (I'll just ignore that for the time being.) Anyways, I would suggest that neither group is "un-American". I think we can agree there are elements of stupidity and ignorance among both sides. There is certainly some hyperbolic, superfluous, and misguided rage floating about. Yet, the tragically misinformed have always been part of the democratic society, America included. So now that we have cleared up some of the semantics, let us examine the arguments of said "teabaggers" and "liberals".

The "liberals" attacked Bush for the Iraq War (I'm going with this example simply b/c it's most prominent and drew the most ire) because they felt it was unjust, unsubstantiated, and damaging to American interests at home and abroad. Almost 6 years later, we see that there were no WMD's in Iraq and no ties to AQ. However, we do see a lot of death, both American and Iraqi, a lot of money spent (roughly $680 billion), a loss of focus in Afghanistan, as well as weakened foreign policy options and overall geopolitical might. Plus, bin Laden is still free. And that's not even addressing the issue of torture. What have we gained? I suppose the jury is still out on that one. Seems like liberal crazies aside, the overall stance was well grounded.

Now let us examine the "teabagger's" argument. They seem to be very upset about a lot of things that haven't happened yet. They are mad about taxes which do not yet exist, and possibly won't ever. They are mad about an imperfect yet earnest attempt to fix a health care system that NOBODY believes is viable beyond the very near future. They simultaneously cry socialism, facism, and communism... I don't even know how to begin to untangle those claims. Finally, they harken back to an America that was some how pulled out from under their feet. By this, I can only assume they are talking about the recent bailouts, TARP money, and stimulus packages. Well, I won't get into a full-on economic dissertation. However, I will say that most of what Obama has done in combating the economic crisis is a continuation of the Bush economic actions. Furthermore, I'm of the opinion that most of the fault for this recession can be fairly placed on conservative and rightwing leaders and ideologies. I'd be happy to expand on that belief if you're so inclined to further entertain me.

So in closing, while both groups are American ( I say that with some regret -- mostly for myself) it seems that one side is a little less grounded in reality, a touch more absurd, and by all accounts, a hell of a lot more selfish.

No, actually, according to you inbred hicks: When liberals do it, it's traitorous. When conservatives do it, it's patriotic.

Please, read this slowly.

We demonstrated against a war we felt was not in the best interests of our country. A war that was, and is being waged.

We were called traitors and cowards by everyone from the vice-president on down.

We are not traitors, we're American citizens who don't have to prove our patriotism to anyone.

Many of the people at the tea party this past weekend were demonstrating against birth certificates, death panels in health care bills, that the president was a Nazi, a Communist, a Socialist, a Muslim, a Manchurian Candidate, and black.

Of all of those charges, the only one that's true is that he's black.

I doubt most of those demonstrating against socialism and communism even know what the terms mean.

Does the point escape you, starkcr31, that the tea baggers are protesting legislation that hasn't even been considered yet, on the floor of the House or Senate? While those protesting the war were protesting something that had already taken place?

Protest and dissent are both very American, and deeply rooted in our history. Had we not been a nation of willing and vocal dissent, likely we would not have thrown out King George. But the 'Tea Party'-goers are protesting figments of health insurance lobbyists imaginations. If they are already so deluded as to confuse imagination with reality, how in the world can any meaningful dialog take place?

Teabaggers are being treated to their own medicine, I see nothing wrong with that. But let me ask you this, if they are claiming that they are americans, what are they implying we are? Oh, that's right, they are claiming we are communists, socialists, fascists and un-american.

Ok, now I get it.

That's the biggest lie you've ever posted, and you've posted some doozies.

Well.....when "conservatives" keep talking about sucession and hating the American flag one must ask himself these questions. Rick Perry and that one fool running for governor want to leave this country. Is that patriotic?

Yes, which is why we get to pick the policies that we think best serve our nation by VOTING IN THE ELECTION! Obama won this last November, or didn't you notice. He won by an impressive margin. The people of the United States chose Barack Obama... AND THE POLICIES THAT HE ARTICULATED... to lead this country. What we're dealing with here are a bunch of obnoxious, extremist, and RACIST teabagging hicks who SIMPLY CANNOT ACCEPT THE RESULTS OF A DEMOCRATIC ELECTION... in which they badly lost... and are seeking to overturn those results through LIES and INTIMIDATION.

But, bing one of them, you already know that.

You should take your own advice. If you had, we would still be uncertain if you were an idiot. Instead, you posted, and removed all doubt.

You didn't understand what I wrote. Read what I wrote again. My comments were specific to people like THIS tool.

Add Remedial English to your list of "must-take" community college courses.

I'll say the same to you, starkers.

That's absolutely right, starkcr31. The Nazis rounded up and murdered millions of innocent Jews because... oh wait. Because the Nazis were racist, weren't they? You remember, they are from the Aryan race, the superior race, and their destiny was to ensure the domination of their race over the entire globe. If you take racism away from Nazi Germany, there's almost nothing left.

Sorry, stark, but if you think President Obama's policies mare like Hitler's, then you have been living in a cave. Or never read ANYTHING about Hitler. Try the book he wrote-and I think you can see how this president is nothing like that.
The right is just fear mongering-the very same thing they did for the past 35 or so years. It gets old, and since they tried to pass off a photo from '95 as happening on 9/12, they've lost any credibility they might have had. FAIL.

Perhaps true. I for one believe that most tea partiers call Obama these things because of their disbelief in his policies and the fears that have been instilled in them.

However, I also feel that the fear and paranoia is unconsciously piloted by race. While it is not race that dictates what some of these people say, it is race (or rather the perception that white America is greater than "minority" America) that gives them the confidence to say it.

Yep, and the policies of Obama have NOTHING to do with Nazis, fascism, socialism, communism or any other ism that these dim bulbs are throwing at him. They are using terms they don't EVEN know the meaning of because it's "more acceptable" than calling him what they really want to call him.

I'm not sure if they offer Political Philosophies at your local community college, but you need to add that to your list.

I guess it's ok to attack Bush personally but Obama is off limits. NOW I understand.

Yet another straw man. You have no concept of rationality, do you?

8 months = 8 years?

Nope, attack Obama all you want . . . but, just understand that unless you have actual documentation [most of it by his OWN government] like the folks who criticized Bush, then you're just going to look churlish and foolish. Oh, wait . . . .

It's amazing that you can't see your obtuse and hypocritical ways AND you can't understand the simple fact that you teabaggers hate Obama because he's black. You are beyond dense.

I have not read a single decent response from this person. Frustrated much?

Don't worry Lord of Light-just remember the photo they tried to pass off as happening on 9/12. That photo was taken a decade ago.
That's what you call losing credibility.

At least go to SOME college. Your lack of education is painful to watch.

Do you work in a cinema because you seem to be a master projectionist.

You're oh so misinformed.

Health care is bankrupting the country NOW because of HMO profits and CEO salaries. And just because a country is smaller is irrelevant. And it's not going bankrupt in other countries.

Redistribution of wealth? Well too bad, mack daddy. We've had 8 years of trickle-up redistribution and the pendulum is swinging back to the common man. (And redistribution of wealth is NOT socialism - look it up).

Cap and trade? Yeah, let's keep on supporting big business polluting our nation so they can realize higher profits.

Stimulus package? You apparently missed the WSJ story that says the stimulus appears to be working and today's news that Bernanke says the recession may in fact be over.

In other words, ya got nothin'.