Giles on whether she "ever checked" whether Kaelke "had a husband who was killed": "We're working on that"
September 15, 2009 9:52 pm ET
From the September 15 edition of Fox News' Hannity:
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Bye Bye ACORN, ACORN Bye Bye. With apologies to the Four Seasons.
Ahh, the old "we can all see" wingnut go-to backup- the voices in your head agree.
Don't be such a dupe, Faillib. This is a distraction for the easily distracted.
Have you come up with an answer re: Blackwater yet, or still running?
IN case you forgot, I asked if you thought ACORN was worse than Blackwater. Several times now, and you seem afraid to answer.
I mean, for all the kicking and screaming and hooting and hollering they do over this, I'd figure they wouldn't be scared to answer this question. Least that's what I figured...
Isolated? 4 separate incidents with virtually the same advice given by 4 separate acorn offices. That is a pattern of criminality and should be prosecuted under the RICO laws. 4 as of today, more to come.
It is only "not newsworthy" to idealogues who are blind to the truth. And deaf.
No. 3 separate incidents. Have you not seen the first video posted by MMFA? You might want to have a look.
The woman never killed her husband. She was making up outrageous stuff because she knew the two were actors, bad actors. This time, Giles looks like a complete idiot, and so does FOX for running this stuff.
As I have contended all along, responsible networks see all of the video and want the whole story, so they don't get fooled. FOX got fooled this time, and I am laughing hard.
One of the best descriptions of yourself I've ever seen!
You are the one ignoring the visual proof of the corrupt liberal org known as acorn, not me. Keep it up, I love it. It makes you and your liberal friends look really stupid. Even your democratic political heros are jumping ship already and pretty soon Obama will have to do the same. And pretty soon Holder will be forced to investigate them. And if they don't they will stick around about as long as the fool Jimmy Carter did and be just as much a failure as he was.
Huh huh. Let me just repeat: the woman never killed her husband! Do you realize you have been punk'd? Do you realize the film makers have been punk'd?
The video is a fraud and says a lot about FOX, and your believing FOX.
The American people will set aside the war in Afghanistan, fighting al Qaeda, job loss and health care, and instead focus on taking action against the Biggest Threat to Humanity since Van Jones: ACORN.
Besides, the way you state your comments says the actions of these ACORN employees across America is not Republican, conservative, etc.You sure got that right!! Thanks for the compliment!
I am not even going to bother with the "white issue" because as much as you want to believe it's not a race issue!
This is a perfect example of what the liberal/progressive agenda really is. You care no more about the people you claim you want to help than you do about dung on the bottom of you shoe. It's not the people you're about; it's about the movment.
Well said, that says it all.
The cases in voter fraud are enough right there..
Wait, you provided no proof. You are once again committing the logical fallacy of argument by assertion.
But you made an accusation but have yet to back it up. Put up or shut up.
This may be the first time I've asked FL directly, I don't really care enough to search it.
Moot point anyway, no answer from Faily either.
Where has it been reported that these tapes were spliced? While most of ACORN does do very good work for the community, you really are not disgusted by these women who would help these two bring in underage girls for sex slaves? How many other nefarious people like drug dealers for instance have they assisted? It is "helpers" like this who actually help destroy communities.
And don't get me wrong, the people should have been fired, and I expect ACORN to follow through with their statement about cleaning house and reinforcing principles.
P.S. the underage sex slaves part isn't true.
You display your ignorance about the whole event with that comment. The acorn reps were clearly informed about the underage woman imported as sex slaves. the acorn reps even told them to keep them in school, in between tricks of course, they have to protect the money flow first. Another specifically said not to mention them when applying for the money. The acorn reps clearly were not bothered in the least about this fact. they obviously accepted it. After all they are progressives, it is an example of enlightened progressive thinking.
No women were imported as sex slaves.
No, the ACORN workers were NOT clearly informed about children working as prostitutes. I've seen all of the videos available and on none of them is there a hint coming from the workers that it was being discussed. The only source of that idea comes from a voice heard off-camera. Every single response from an ACORN worker really sounds as though it's answering a decidedly different questions.
The original, unedited tapes are never going to be made available for anyone to review.
Two employees at the Baltimore, Maryland, branch of the liberal community organizing group ACORN were caught on tape allegedly offering advice to a pair posing as a pimp and prostitute on setting up a prostitution ring and evading the IRS.
The video footage -- which has been edited and goes to black in some areas -- was recorded and posted online Thursday by James O'Keefe, a conservative activist. He was joined on the video by another conservative, Hannah Giles, who posed as the prostitute in the filmmakers' undercover sting.
CNN...
I've said these ACORN employees should be canned, but I don't even know what they're required or allowed to do with regards to reporting things based on the claims of applicants.
I'm curious what actions you (either interchangeable wingnut) think ACORN employees should take in a situation like this. Citizen's arrest? Alert the authorities? Shoot them right there?
Have you really thought this through, or is this all reflex?
I am just mystified at these right wingers who coddle , ignore or even cheer white collar criminals (as long as they have an R next to their name), who are just fine with corporations and military contractors robbing us blind, but are outraged that an organization would even theoretically talk to a (fictional) prostitute who is trying to get off the street.
This is the crime these suckers are concerned about?
Notice Fail keeps emphasizing the (fictional) child prostitution angle, to get some imagined moral high ground.
So, let's say the ACORN employees were buying these scammers act (which I'm not too sure about).You think trying to help a prostitute get off the street is caring less about the people than trying to shut down an organization that is trying to help those at the bottom rung of society?
Open your eyes, stop being stooges.The GOP has one goal, to protect corporate America, and keep us commoners (or at least the more gullible of you) fighting each other, and anybody that threatens the status quo.
To quote one of my all time movies, looks like this time: "No, you wrong Col. Sanders!"
I don't know how many more times I can say this, or how much more simply, in order for you wingnuts to separate fiction from reality;
There is no brothel, no underage prostitutes. It was all made up.Do you understand that? Are you suffering from the same thing as Saint Ronnie, when he thought he was in combat but was just in a movie?
Have you become so brainwashed by Fox that you think the manufactured reality of these propagandists is something that really exists?
And speaking of journalists named Wallace, what did you think of 60 minutes' tactics of the hidden camera and all of the investigative reports they did ? They won a lot of awards for those reports , did they not?
Let's just hope if yu have a daughter & she decided to go into selling her body as a minor one can only hope she will come in contact with someone as supportive as these ACORN workers have been!
Nothing further, you beat yourself there.
Can you link to a source for that (or any of your other claims, for that matter)? If they are, I'd guess it's because they've gone through the process to show that they have some useful way to use it.
I'm not familiar with your "all time movies", but this one sounds like it has some great dialogue.
They don't. It's an outright lie.
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Do any of your right wingers realize you have been spoofed? Like in the movie Duplicity (which sucked, by the way), the film makers thought they were taking in ACORN; but in this last case, ACORN took in them!
The woman never killed her husband. He is alive and kicking. She was playing with them. Get it?
Or at least his "all time films".
By the way, I laughed at this. Yea, why would you quote that lame line?
Hey Colonel, he got mixed up with his numbers, it was 8 billion people in Washington the other day. His tin foil hat was on a bit crooked when he made that number up.
WHO in their right mind would believe that ANY NON-PROFIT organization would receive 8 BILLION US tax dollars?
Seriously, are YOU taking your medication?
The House version of the stimulus bill included 1 billion for Community Development Block Grants (CDBG) program and another $4.2 billion ($2.2 billion in the Senate’s version) in funding for the Neighborhood Stabilization Program (NSP). Neither program is new: CDBG has been around since President Ford (a Republican) signed it into law in 1974, while the NSP was authorized in 2008 as part of the Housing and Economic Recovery Act signed into law by President Bush.
On its Web site, the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, which runs both programs, describes CDBG as "a flexible program that provides communities with resources to address a wide range of unique community development needs." But those funds cannot be used for anything resembling ACORN’s controversial voter registration programs. HUD has very strict rules for projects that can be funded through CDBG grants, including promotion of home ownership and micro-enterprise assistance. ACORN has long been eligible for CDBG funds, and the group has received almost $1.6 million (not billion) in CDBG grants over a four-year span.
NSP’s mission is more limited: Its funds are used to purchase foreclosed or abandoned homes, redevelop and then resell them, with the aim of stabilizing home prices
In 2008, NSP’s first year, states handed out funds to a total of 308 grantees. The NSP rules would require ACORN to show that it would spend the money to renovate and resell foreclosed homes more efficiently than other applicants.
Moreover, ACORN is already indirectly eligible for NSP money; current law permits state and local governments to subcontract work, and ACORN would be eligible to compete for funds at the local level. However, ACORN didn’t get any NSP money last year and says it doesn’t plan to apply for NSP money in the future. Indeed, renovating foreclosed properties is not something the group has done in the past; its efforts in the home-buying industry focus mainly on developing new affordable housing and eliminating what it calls "predatory financial practices" by mortgage lenders. The Stimulus Bill and ACORN...
There was NO freaking "ACORN meeting", it was the 2007 Heartland Presidential Forum in Des Moines. John Edwards, Dennis Kucinich, Chris Dodd AND Barack Obama spoke, and Hillary spoke via phone.
It was organized by three non-profits, brought together groups of community leaders from Iowa and several other states who worked on issues like farming, immigration and urban poverty. DEMS SPEAK AT HEARTLAND FORUM...
This country can't afford to let you crazy folks "take your country back", you're mindless sheep. You follow whatever right-wing talk radio and Fox Noise tells you and that's scary!
This is funny. The whole video in question if fake! The ACORN worker was just acting, knowing the two film makers were fakes, very bad actors, she said.
O'Keefe and Giles have burned themselves, and this is going to be funny to see.
Can you direct us where it has been proven that these tapes are fake? And by the way in CNS News today they write how mark levins book was NEVER reviewed by the NY Slimes. A few blurbs were written about Liberty and Tyranny in there Inside The List magazine, the book was never reviewed.
As Snoopy said. The woman was playing with the people. See the first video MMFA posted on this.
>>And by the way in CNS News today
Oh good f**ing grief. Fisher girl, you make one outrageous claim after the next, repeating stuff that is easily disproven. If you read CNS news, then don't be expected to taken seriously.
The last exchange, after you did your normal trash talking, you told me you were going to post a link showing how Obama was going to let ACORN write his policy. You never produced the link, did you?
And I really admire how, being a Marine, you *support* torture--you who should know better. Just keep up the crazy, ill-informed postings.
I'm not playing your games. I don't see any links. What I get is a series of outlandish claims which you never back up.
Nor do I care what your definition of torture is. I care what human rights groups say. I have read all of Solzenistin, the Nobel-prize winning author who was imprisoned under Stalin, who executed the worst torture possible. What did Solzenistin think was the worst torture, the torture that made all others superfluos, and unnecessary? Sleep deprivation, which the human can't stand.
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Is Regnery sending out any advance copies? Your book sounds swell.
You mean water boarding. Did you think your cute circumloquation would hide that? You do know that America prosecuted Japanese soldiers after WW2 for just this, don't you?
Oh yea, sleep deprivation breaks everyone. There was a story Solzenistin tells in *Archipeligo* of how a German would say that he survived Nazi torture. None of the Soviets were impressed. They just didn't do it right, was the response from them. That's how bad the torture was.
I once heard from a Palestinian who was deprived of sleep by the Israelis. He was convinced that he talked to someone in the next cell; there was no next cell.
Until last night, I'd only seen clips on tv, and I said the ACORN employees should be canned.
Since then, I've seen the "Pimp & Ho" in their Halloween costumes, and some more reactions from the ACORN employees, and my BS detector was going off.
They seemed to be going through the motions to get these clowns out of their office.
Go to mediamatters home page and then look at the videos on this subject. It is the bottom most one with Glenn Beck. Also see my link at the bottom of the page.
Actually, you have already seen it, because we are commenting there back and fourth.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/12/books/review/InsideList-t.html
Congratulations finally a reference to the right without a nazi reference. I'm impressed.
In fact, if you want to get rid of Commode Boy, ask him to answer a question about Blackwater. He'll vanish immediately.
Don't bother trying to talk sense to them, they're only here to wear the clown shoes and entertain us.
THANK YOU.
njguy93@yahoo.com
If the barely coherent girl is taking the spokesman role most of the time, what's with the guy? Is he less able to express himself, or come up with some facts?
I have to admit , this is getting pretty sad. Fox is able to convince some simpletons that ACORN is some nefarious organization based on some trumped up videos showing housing advisors advising people about housing, and not arresting them when they make up stuff about prostitution rings.
Maybe the next "sting" will be going into community rehab clinics, catching the counselors not making drug busts.
Fox News honestly doesn't care either, they are just trying to use the story to try to link Obama to the dealings of ACORN simply because Obama is black and there are some corrupt people working at ACORN who are black. This is akin to someone trying to link the ENRON scandal in 2001 to George Bush because Jeff Skilling and Andrew Fastow were white and so is George Bush. It makes no sense, but Fox News will use any story to push their agenda of stoking racial fears in an attempt to undermine the President. They want to keep their gullible, predominately (if not 100%) white audience glued to the TV sets to see what Obama is up to now.
Didn't O'Keefe go to planned parenthood and want to donate money to abort black babies and planned parenThood was only to glad to accept? Talk about killing the meseenger.
Years ago John Stossel used to film auto mechanics, washing machine repairmen and plumbers ripping off consumers with a hidden camera, was he ever prosecuted? Do you see anything wrong with Stossel exposing these thieves who prey on people like you and I?
That's the way fisher girl acts. She repeats the stupidest stuff she has heard about Democrats and liberals.
Hey fisher girl, weren't you once a cannibal? I thought I read that on wackystorynottobebelieved.com.
Yep, you missed that. Maybe we should torture these ACORN employees to get to the truth. Whaddya think about that?
C'mon. tell us how much you like the trafficing in underage woman for the purposes of prostitution. Remember in each of the tapes the acorn official was informed of the underage girls. They obviously approved. And your support of acorn shows you do too.
Psssst...Hey, Faily... Nobody did that. Some sleazy tabloid filmmakers pretended to be doing something like that, and ACORN, admittedly, did not prevent the fictional crime from taking place some time in the fictional future during the course of a few minutes of an appointment to advise on housing options.
Do you really not get how you're being suckered here?
Oh, I thought she was a prostitute to the right wing.
I was confused. Sorry.
THANK YOU.
njguy93@yahoo.com
"They did not have all the goods, though: An ACORN worker's claim to have killed her husband was, according to a San Bernardino County police report provided by the group, a joke -- which ACORN says demonstrates that the employee there was playing along with the outlandish visitors, not actually indulging them."
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My BS detector went off as soon as I saw the (mostly omitted in the MSM) footage of them in their silly costumes. I saw a couple of whitebread wingnuts walking in on what were probably some people with a little more street smarts than they had.
It reminded me of some tapes I saw a few years ago. I was going out with a former Sheriff's deputy (I know, hurting my lefty cred) and she had moved into some security contract jobs.Sort of like those "secret shopper" surveillance deals, but more intense, and she showed me some of her tapes.
She went to government offices, hospitals, private businesses, posing as an outlandish client or customer or patient, and the tapes were made to see if empoyees (mostly lower level, front office) adhered to protocols under any circumstances. That's sort of the attitude I see in the ACORN employees.
She (the woman I was dating) compared it to the nuts who come in and confess to murders that were never committed. You take down the info. and say thanks.
Yup, this time at least. CNN called the first of these films propaganda. Without seeing the full, unedited version, and without being able to talk to the film makers, you don't know how reliable the films are. I have been saying that all along. It turns out I was right.
No just Rush, and I suspect Glenn Beck has picked up the bottle again. Hopefully that story breaks soon - Beck drinking Jack Daniels back stage right before he goes to the chalk board to write another conspiracy theory involving Obama, Van Jones, and ACORN.
And when I say "this" I mostly mean FOX.
Consent Decree here as PDF
Also :
In 5-Year Effort, Scant Evidence of Voter Fraud
WASHINGTON, April 11 — Five years after the Bush administration began a crackdown on voter fraud, the Justice Department has turned up virtually no evidence of any organized effort to skew federal elections, according to court records and interviews
And :
The GOP has been practicing voter caging since the civil rights era.
Giles lists the "scientific" steps as:
1) Ask A Question: What if a “prostitute” and her alleged law school boyfriend walk into ACORN seeking housing for an underage brothel to fund his future congressional campaign?
2) Do Background Research:
1. Learn as much about ACORN housing procedures and protocol as possible.
2. History of ACORN and their effect on the United States
3) Construct a Hypothesis: ACORN is corrupt and it is in their nature to promote and disguise illegal behavior.
4) Experiment: Baltimore, DC, Brooklyn, San Bernardino, and…
5) Analyze and draw a conclusion.
Then she says - "you decide"
The science is flawed, and biased.
It is only showing one part of the result - the positives.
We did not see the other side - the negatives.
The negatives being the number of Acorn employees showing them the door.
I'm willing to bet Giles also thinks intelligent design is "science". She doesn't know what science is.
Mr. News