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Cillizza: Van Jones and ACORN stories "suggest we better pay attention" to what Beck and Hannity are reporting "because they have power"

September 20, 2009 1:21 pm ET

From the September 20 edition of CNN's Reliable Sources:

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    • Author by rtejon (September 20, 2009 1:33 pm ET)
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      "Reliable Sources" may not be the wisest name for this show.
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      • Author by Dmacalypse (September 20, 2009 1:39 pm ET)
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        I often wonder that myself
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      • Author by captfoster2 (September 20, 2009 7:30 pm ET)
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        Cillizza: Van Jones and ACORN stories "suggest we better pay attention" to what Beck and Hannity are reporting "because they have power"

        What I would like to know is how these circus clowns GOT this power in the first place??

        They're not elected!

        Those that follow them equal to less than 2% of the total population of this country!

        So again I ask... how did these circus clowns get this kind of power to be able to dictate the (un)civil discourse in America??
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        • Author by pointofview (September 20, 2009 7:40 pm ET)
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          They get their power from the simple fact that Fox is the ONLY network that will cover liberal scandals and abuses of power. If left on their own, the major networks will simply forge and make up documents like Dan Rather did, and they wait to release them until the eve of the election.

          They get their power from the simple fact that Americans want to see more than the usual liberal Big three and NYT spin on the news.
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          • Author by bip84124092 (September 20, 2009 10:00 pm ET)
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            The jury is still out on Dan Rather and and the "made up" documents. People like to look at FOX the same way they like to look at train wrecks.
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          • Author by eweston8542983 (September 20, 2009 10:13 pm ET)
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            The question was not, why you think their so great.
            The question was what is the mechanism that is used to turn such a small group of people into such movers and shakers. To say things is one thing, The how of their ability to drag the rest of the nation into their personal vendettas is what is puzzling.

            Still going with the liberal media myth um. Tell me what liberal issue they've sucessfully pushed into real liberal action. It took just days to take the census job away from ACORN via congressional action. Mr. Jones was gone in an equally short time frame. Yet they were so powerful and so dangerously dominate in your world view. I see no proof of that power and dominance.
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          • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (September 20, 2009 11:16 pm ET)
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            They get their power because their followers are too stupid to do their own research and see that they are nothing but a bunch of FAR RIGHT WING LIARS.
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          • Author by mjh (September 21, 2009 5:09 am ET)
               
            "They get their power from the simple fact that Fox is the ONLY network that will cover liberal scandals and abuses of power."



            ROFL . . . hell, if FOX is the ONLY network willing to cover "liberal scandals and abuses of power", there must not be very many of them.

            Oh, I know; there was the hullaballoo about Whitewater, Filegate, Travelgate, Vince Foster, Paula Jones, etc. . . but, that all turned out to be about one simple thing: a stained blue dress.

            Other other hand, and the other side, we've had

            Watergate
            Iran-Contra
            faulty pre-war intelligence
            nonexistent WMDs
            fired US attorneys
            warrantless wiretapping
            extraordinary rendition
            enhanced interrogation
            and so on . . .


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          • Author by bintx (September 21, 2009 12:04 pm ET)
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            Actually, Fox is the ONLY network that will make up crap to make it look like a "liberal scandal."

            BTW, you are aware that the actual TANG documents released the same week of the Rather story show that Rather's story was true, right? I never saw the Rather story, but I did see the documents released pursuant to the Associated Press's FOIA lawsuit. Bush was a deserter. He never completed his commitment to the TANG.

            Fox makes nonsense up ALL the time and you apparently BELIEVE it. Sad.
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    • Author by dmhack (September 20, 2009 1:41 pm ET)
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      So, let me get this straight, WaPo bases its news decisions on how many phone calls about a particular topic they get from Fox droolers? Sure explains a lot about the paper's downhill slide.

      Oh, and Amy Holmes remains an idiot.
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      • Author by Dmacalypse (September 20, 2009 1:44 pm ET)
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        Complete idiot and that's all Fox needs to justify what do......."the double standards argument"
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      • Author by bip84124092 (September 20, 2009 10:12 pm ET)
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        I agree, Amy Holmes is an idiot but she's predictable. Kurtz trots her out every other week. My problem is with Chris Cilliza. I'm extremely disappointed that Olberman has him on all the time. Cilliza is one of those "journalist's" who goes which ever way he thinks the wind is blowing. The wind is usually blowing right. He often finds himself the odd man out on panels because he never has an original thought. He's terrified of saying anything negative about Republicans (except for maybe Marc Sanford) or he might become a target of Beck or Limbaugh. He such a wuss. Why he get's air time is beyond me.
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    • Author by smarshall1432997 (September 20, 2009 2:02 pm ET)
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      So, this must be why FoxNews Channel "proudly" employ Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity on their cable network to "smear" an American President "every" single day to get those "high ratings". Makes sense now. Beck and Hannity have become "powerful" men due to their high "ratings" on radio and tv. No wonder why "NO" Congressional Hearings, or FCC fines, etc, etc have been applied to FoxNews Channel over the past few months, LOL.

      A cable network's (FoxNews Channel) high "ratings" becomes very "powerful" amongst their competition's (CNN & MSNBC) "fact-findings" and "truth-tellings". Wink, wink. LOL
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    • Author by Dem02020 (September 20, 2009 2:09 pm ET)
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      The 'ratings' of beck and hannity (which I take it implies their 'popular following'), that makes what they say newsworthy?

      What a bunch of rationalized bullchit that is!

      If these media hacks have such a 'popular following', then why did the Democrats (who those media hacks hate and slander 24/7), why did those Democrats capture Congress in 2006 in a truly stunning and historic wave of electoral popularity, and why did they again add to those Congressional majorities in 2008, in addition to capturing the administration of our federal government in an electoral landslide...

      Just what is the definition of POPULAR anyway?

      LORD do these people live in a media delusion, and when the facts contradict their political opinions, then they contradict the facts!

      The hateful opposition to the Obama administration (and to Congressional Democrats) is a certified and proven MINORITY of the American People, and yet that MINORITY of the American People, and the media hacks who speak for (but mostly to) them, they're POPULAR?

      LORD talk about these media hacks contradicting the facts to fit their own delusional beliefs about the political opinions held by the American People... political opinions registered and certified in the last two national elections!
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      • Author by roland (September 20, 2009 2:36 pm ET)
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        Good points. Since Limbaugh first began broadcasting to a national audience, we have had 5 presidential elections. Three have been won by Democrats and, in one of Bush's "victories," he didn't even win the popular vote.

        The talk radio right may be able to claim some success for the 1994 Republican takeover of Congress, but remember that, even at the height of the impeachment hysteria, Bill Clinton had a 60+% approval rating.
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        • Author by bintx (September 21, 2009 12:05 pm ET)
             
          Limbaugh and his ilk are one of the main reasons I don't vote Republican any longer . . . that, and when they nominated someone I knew to be incompetent and dishonest in 2000.
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      • Author by jjamele2880 (September 20, 2009 2:39 pm ET)
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        It's the same rationale used by the right-wing trolls who inhabit this site from time to time- "Fox must be right, because look how Hannity clobbers Olbermann in the ratings." "CNN is irrelevant, because Fox is kicking their butt," etc. etc.

        Popular= Correct to these clowns.
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        • Author by rtejon (September 20, 2009 4:24 pm ET)
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          Yet they're not willing to equate popularity with correctness when it comes to people in other parts of the world.
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        • Author by noneyabidnis (September 20, 2009 4:32 pm ET)
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          The only reason they get so many viewers is because a small minority of Americans will watch anything that tells them what they want to hear. A lot of Americans have been so turned off by the idiocy of the past few months that they just don't watch ANYTHING news related. They watch baseball instead. Or VH1. Or actually go out and have a life.

          To these couple million viewers - hating the President has become their life.
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        • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (September 20, 2009 11:23 pm ET)
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          hannity may clobber olbermann in the ratings but not in the truth.
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      • Author by jwcoop715110 (September 20, 2009 4:35 pm ET)
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        Clusterfox's ratings are irrelevant. Nobody said there was no market for wingnut nonsense. Clearly, there is. Al cracka cretins love being told what they want to hear and hate being confused with the facts.

        That don't make it a legitimate news network. Clearly, it's not. It's just a gop-slop propaganda organ.
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    • Author by pros2pros2940 (September 20, 2009 2:31 pm ET)
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      The only reason that Beck & Hannity have any power at all is due to the echo chamber that is right wing radio. Those that get their information from these people are the most uninformed people on the planet.

      MSM folks are afraid of being labeled "liberal" if they don;t cover the latest made up scandal from the right.

      These people are ruining america
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    • Author by TheDayV (September 20, 2009 3:10 pm ET)
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      Kurtz' final comments on the role of watchdogs are revealing.

      I've highlighted it before but it bears repeating. Time's Klein was on the program and called Limbaugh a liar only to have Kurtz follow his statement by saying that it wasn't fair to use such terms.

      Kurtz' final statement on this particular clip outlines his job and then he fails completely at doing it.
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      • Author by rtejon (September 20, 2009 4:26 pm ET)
           
        Seems they could come up with someone better than Klein, anyway, considering he lied very publicly about authoring "Primary Colors."
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      • Author by bip84124092 (September 20, 2009 9:55 pm ET)
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        Kurtz said the Democrats were "partisan" in voting for a resolution repremanding Joe Wilson. Kurtz says this quickly then changes the subject. House rules were broken and Republians also voted to rebuke Wilson. That's the problen with Reliable Sources. It's not reliable.
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    • Author by noneyabidnis (September 20, 2009 4:26 pm ET)
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      I can't wait until Glenn Beck tries to take on someone or something that can actually defend itself.
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    • Author by teabaggers ♥ [wing]NUTS (September 20, 2009 5:25 pm ET)
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      so now we've decided to drool over how popular and how much attention glenn beck and sean hannity get? what happened to fact checking their ridiculous claims? cillizza gave fox news WAY too much credit on this topic... power my @ss.
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      • Author by oscar the grouch (September 20, 2009 8:11 pm ET)
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        We leave the fact checking to MMFA. That's why their board is full of 80% (+/-) Lush, Eddie and Shamity posts each day,
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      • Author by pointofview (September 20, 2009 8:44 pm ET)
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        fiddle

        Ask Van Jones, (former Obama admin employee) how much power Fox has.
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        • Author by eweston8542983 (September 20, 2009 10:22 pm ET)
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          And such an awsome threat he was.
          Actually word is he was thinking of moving on soon anyway.
          I and many others are waiting for Fox to attack someone unwilling to accept conviction by Faux Gnues. It might be ACORN, it might be their next target. It'd be worth a lot to see Faux actually try to defend their lies in a civil court.
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        • Author by mjh (September 21, 2009 4:57 am ET)
             
          "Ask Van Jones, (former Obama admin employee) how much power Fox has."


          Better yet, let's ask Cass Sunstein -- whom Beck vowed to go after, after Jones -- how much power the Fox Comedy Channel has {Sunstein was confirmed as WHOIRA head anyway.}

          Hell, let's ask Barack Obama: FOX spent the better part of a year repeating three things -- Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayres, and Michelle Obama's "proud" comment . . . did it keep Obama out of the White House?


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        • Author by bintx (September 21, 2009 12:07 pm ET)
             
          Actually, Van Jones, a very, very, very low ranking Obama employee left because he didn't want to be a distraction.
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        • Author by teabaggers ♥ [wing]NUTS (September 22, 2009 4:15 am ET)
             
          actually, POV, van jones probably has more opportunity and possibility now to do what he wants seeing as how he isnt an adviser under the president. instead, he is able to continue fighting guys like beck and other racists like his ilk, as he was before. i think you take beck too seriously... that is unfortunate.
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    • Author by pilotx (September 21, 2009 12:27 am ET)
         
      Good comments Eric.
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    • Author by mjh (September 21, 2009 5:13 am ET)
         
      Cillizza: Van Jones and ACORN stories "suggest we better pay attention" to what Beck and Hannity are reporting "because they have power"



      Yes, because made up stories about a community organization are soooo much MORE IMPORTANT than the health care debate, the economic situation, two wars, international relations, etc. . .

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    • Author by NiceguyEddie (September 21, 2009 8:33 am ET)
         
      This man should be fired. He's so wrong, and his point so stupid, it's astounding. Beck and Hannity have as much "power" and "legitimacy" as CNN and the MSM want to give them. If they would just call out the biased, unethical, yellow journalism practices and RW Propaganda for what they are, condemn thier crossing the line between news and advocacy, and simly call it like it is and stick to the TRUTH and stay within JOURNALIZTIC ETHICAS and CONDEMN those that don't, Fox would have very little power at all. Istead they're falling for Fox's trap EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. And Fox always comes out of top in that stupid game.

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