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Beck encourages "day of Fast and Prayer for the Republic" on Yom Kippur

September 21, 2009 2:12 pm ET

From the September 21 edition of Premier Radio Network's The Glenn Beck Program:

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    • Author by kfraz43 (September 21, 2009 2:16 pm ET)
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      I'm confused. Did the founders fast and pray for the Republic on Yom Kippur? I don't recall many Jews signing the Declaration of Independence...
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      • Author by wzwriter (September 21, 2009 6:04 pm ET)
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        Many of those who signed the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were Deists - they believed in God, but not the Holy Trinity. This is another of those facts of history that Fundamentalist Christians have been ignoring for years - or making up lies that the Founding Fathers were Christians or that the USA was founded on Christian principles.....
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        • Author by Bronwyn (September 23, 2009 1:36 am ET)
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          -they believed in God, but not the Holy Trinity.
          Could be because the word trinity is not found in the Bible anywhere, not once.
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (September 21, 2009 6:06 pm ET)
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        There were none, but several of the signers expressed admiration for the Jewish people as a sign of e pluribus unum.
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    • Author by achorn316 (September 21, 2009 2:20 pm ET)
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      no, they werent atheists. (they werent jewish either Glenn)

      but they were slave owners. Maybe thats why Beck loves them so much?
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    • Author by Major Tom (September 21, 2009 2:26 pm ET)
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      What's next?... Now eat this doughnut... this is Washington's body, broken for us. Drink this mountain dew... this is his blood, drink in rememberence of taxation without representation?????
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (September 21, 2009 6:08 pm ET)
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        I hope not. George Washington should not give His Followers cavities, lest they need wooden teeth as well.
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    • Author by epkklk851 (September 21, 2009 2:28 pm ET)
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      My husband and daughters will be fasting and praying on Yom Kippur. I am not adverse to a day of fasting and prayer, but I will not be pulled into by Mr. Beck. This whole load of patronizing garbage about the Founding Fathers was low even for Glennie and his stooges. According to "The Faiths of the Founding Fathers" by David L. Holmes, there were conventional Christians among the Founding Fathers, but many were Deists, they believed in a clockmaker creator who made the world and stepped back. Three of the first four Presidents were Deists. Washington and Madison were never confirmed by their churches, and Washington never took communion, indeed he quit coming on Communion Sundays when his practice of leaving before communion was brought up to him. The Adams were Unitarians and didn't believe that Jesus was divine (John took his Oath of Office on law books, not a Bible) and Jefferson was a student of religions who didn't believe that Jesus was divine, either. Jefferson, in fact, created his own version of the Bible with all divine references taken out. A day of fasting and meditation wouldn't have to be religious, and it wouldn't harm our spirit, either. Thanksgiving was supposed to be that day, but instead it turned into an orgy of food, football, and parades, with the idea of giving thanks or meditating on our good fortunes viewed as quaint silliness.
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      • Author by mjh (September 21, 2009 2:45 pm ET)
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        Excellent points, epk.

        What you mentioned about Jefferson reminds me of what I once heard Randi Rhodes say was the difference between Adams and Jefferson: they both believed in separation of church and state, but for different reasons -- Adams wanted separation of church and state, because he thought the gov't would corrupt religion . . . while Jefferson wanted separation of church and state, because he thought religion would corrupt the gov't . . .

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        • Author by epkklk851 (September 21, 2009 3:03 pm ET)
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          I see both of their points, and agree, religion and politics don't mix. I believe in God, I pray regularly, sometimes for the country, sometimes for voting guidance, but I never want to force my religious practice onto anyone else, and I sure as heck don't want someone forcing their religion on me. We have a priest at church who zealously patrols the parking lot on the Sunday before elections to stop any flyers from being distributed. I really like the man, but I would not want to hear the carefully reasoned and perfectly logical argument as to why it was wrong to be doing that.
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          • Author by NiceguyEddie (September 21, 2009 3:21 pm ET)
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            but I never want to force my religious practice onto anyone else

            If this is true, then you don't need to 'pray for voting guidance.' Just vote DEMOCRAT. ;)

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            • Author by epkklk851 (September 21, 2009 3:24 pm ET)
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              Well, I do, I am becoming a serious Yellow Dog Democrat, but, I pray that I have made a wise decision. Love the quote, too.
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              • Author by NiceguyEddie (September 21, 2009 3:49 pm ET)
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                I'm sorry, maybe I'm falling behind... Are there any YELLOW dog democrats LEFT?! Isn't that a term from the late 1800's?! Like... back when Democrats were still conservative and the Republicans were the progressives?! Yikes! That's waaaaaay too conservative for me!

                Or is BLUE just the new YELLOW? Just curoius. ;)

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            • Author by magnolialover (September 21, 2009 3:27 pm ET)
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              I don't pray, because I don't want people to think I'm talking to myself, but also, because I no longer believe in God, or religion of any sort.

              But, far be it from me to tell anyone else what to do. If you want to practice, please, do so. Religion works for some folks, but for me, I'm out.

              Some of my friends have asked me if I'm concerned about my afterlife, you know, getting into Heaven if I don't believe in God. Well, I'm pretty sure of one thing, if there is a God, and there is a Heaven, God isn't going to turn away good people, just because they either didn't believe in God, or didn't believe strongly enough. I think, again, if there is a God, that God will take good folks into Heaven, and I think that I'm a good person. My wife tells me I'm a good person, and all of my friends tell me I'm a good person, so I ain't worried.
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              • Author by NiceguyEddie (September 21, 2009 3:44 pm ET)
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                I don't pray, because I don't want people to think I'm talking to myself...

                LOL.

                I don't worry about that, nor do I pray. I just talk to myself...

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              • Author by epkklk851 (September 21, 2009 3:54 pm ET)
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                The mathematician Blaise Pascal waged a bet, he said nothing was lost in believing in a non-existant God, but a great deal could be lost by not believing in an existing God. It's called Pascal's Wager. I came to the same conclusion a long time ago, even before I had ever heard of Pascal. I left the Fundamentalist Protestants because they kept telling me that good people like Gandhi were going to Hell because they weren't Christians. I too believe that God would not turn his back on someone who lived a good life without a belief in God to justify it. I also believe that a lot of Hallelujah Christians are not listening to God and will be sorely disappointed on the Judgement Day.
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                • Author by NiceguyEddie (September 21, 2009 4:11 pm ET)
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                  Not to argue with your religioous beliefs, completely putting all those aside and out-of-bounds, Pascal's Wager is total and utter b*llsh!t.

                  If God doesn't exist, than how can one say that "nothing is risked" by spending the only life I have sacrficing, fasting, atoning, giving my money to the church, self-denying, praying and abstaining from all manner of fullfulling vice, all in the hopes of some reward that will never come? You may only have ONE LIFE. It therefore MUST be lived to the fullest.

                  What's more, even if there IS a God, Pascal assumes (1) that s/he cares a fig how we live, (2) that they give a darn whether or not we 'worpship' them and (3) that, in fact, the Judeo-Christian God is the Right One! Shiva, Brahma and Kali (or for that matter - Zues, Posiedon and Hades or Odin, Thor and Loki or Osiris, Anubis and Ra) will not be too impressed with you Christians if they're the ones waiting to judge mankind! Neither will Allah, Bhuddah, the Force or the Flying Spaghetti Monster!

                  Pascal was a good enough Mathemetician, but a complete lightweight in the fields of philosphy and theology. Pascal's Wager is nothing more that a child's tool meant to asuage the doubts of the semi-religious and assure them that they aren't in fact wasting their time - wasting the ONLY LIFE THEY'LL HAVE.

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                  • Author by Brabantio (September 21, 2009 4:33 pm ET)
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                    And on top of all that, believing in God because of some wager is not true belief. It's cynical. If God only cares about raw numbers, not whether the people in the pews truly have faith or not, that's not a very compelling argument. If he does care about that sort of thing (as a few Bible stories would suggest), then believing in God on that basis will never count, because on some level it will always be about gaming the system.
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                    • Author by John Paradox (September 21, 2009 6:37 pm ET)
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                      If God only cares about raw numbers, not whether the people in the pews truly have faith or not, that's not a very compelling argument.

                      Notice how that relates to the "Faux News has higher numbers (Neilsens) than MSNBC/CNN"?
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                  • Author by epkklk851 (September 21, 2009 6:52 pm ET)
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                    Okay, calm down. I was raised by an atheist, and I live with an agnostic. I have always felt God's presence in my life. Some people are as blind to that as they are tone deaf or color blind. I can't explain how I feel to you, the words would make no difference. I can say that self-sacrifice and penance make you a better, stronger, more disciplined person who is more aware of his or her fellow persons. Why else would all the major religions have some sort self-sacrifice. Is Pascal's Wager cynical, it could be, but it could also be a tool for surviving doubt. I am nearly 50 years old and I have faced many, many crises without a crisis of faith. I remembered the wager when I doubted and slogged through until my doubts retreated. I choose to practice because I feel better with myself, and I feel more for the people around me. I do not do it for fear of punishment, which according to Aristotle is an acceptable reason for doing something if the person isn't mature enough to do it because it is the right thing. For me, God is there, that is all I need to know. Being humble is a good thing, it helps you to keep things in perspective. I feel humbled by the presence of God.
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                    • Author by sodium (September 21, 2009 7:02 pm ET)
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                      by epkklk851 said:"Okay, calm down."


                      Erm, I don't get the feeling anyone is particularly het up here, just expressing themselves with a bit of verve and vigour.

                      by epkklk851 also said: "I was raised by an atheist, and I live with an agnostic. I have always felt God's presence in my life"

                      I also feel a presence in my life, but I tend to think of that presence as being that of nature.

                      She's actually God enough for me! (apols for the lame pun there;)
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                      • Author by epkklk851 (September 21, 2009 7:12 pm ET)
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                        Actually, when I saw Star Wars, The Force, to me was really an expression of God. I was a Daddy's Girl, so my idea of God is very paternalistic when I am praying, but I am thoroughly convinced about the presence of God when I have seen some awesome sights of nature. I think God speaks to each of us in our own language, some people are just better listeners.
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                    • Author by NiceguyEddie (September 22, 2009 8:01 am ET)
                         
                      Dude - I thought I was quite clear in stating that I was not questioning your religious beliefs. That those were out of bounds, relative to my post. You can have as much or a little faith as you want in just about anything you want to, and I'll never fault you for it one way or the other. It YOUR life, and you must live it how you see most fit to. If that involves having a system of faith? Great. Knock yourself out. You won't get any argument from me on how YOU want to practivce YOUR FAITH in YOUR LIFE. Not really any of my business, you see.

                      My post dealt exclusively with Pascal's Wager which it weak tea both philosophically and theologically. Unless you worhsip the Ghost of Blaise Pascal, I don't see how it can be interpreted as an attack on your faith.
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                  • Author by sodium (September 21, 2009 6:57 pm ET)
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                    NiceguyEddie said:"Pascal's Wager is nothing more that a child's tool meant to asuage the doubts of the semi-religious and assure them that they aren't in fact wasting their time - wasting the ONLY LIFE THEY'LL HAVE."

                    Amen!



                    (irony intended)
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                    • Author by NiceguyEddie (September 22, 2009 9:45 am ET)
                         
                      MY BIBLE

                      Irony also intedned, though I'm sure I've read and actually believe a much higher % of it that those who claim to follow the actual Bible. (In my case that would be: ALL of it.)

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                • Author by kfraz43 (September 22, 2009 11:34 am ET)
                     
                  Pascal's Wager is essentially bet-hedging, and unfortunately that hypocrisy is the cornerstone of many a Sunday Christian's faith. I say better to live an honest life, including being honest about your faith (or lack thereof), and seeing how things shake out. There are just too many leaps of faith for me to be a "true" believer, and I despise hypocrisy, so I can't be a "Hallelujah Christian". I admire your ability to have faith and not feel compelled to inflict it on others, epkk... (gentle needle intended).
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              • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (September 21, 2009 6:11 pm ET)
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                I don't pray, because I don't want people to think I'm talking to myself
                One of the best lines in the film The Ruling Class, starring Peter O'Toole. His character is asked in an interview, "When did you start believing you were God?" He replied, "One day I was praying and discovered I was talking to myself."
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                • Author by sodium (September 21, 2009 7:03 pm ET)
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                  Thank goodness there's someone else left alive who remembers that wonderful movie!!

                  Thanks for that laugh at the start of my day!!
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                • Author by sodium (September 21, 2009 7:05 pm ET)
                     
                  Thank goodness there's someone else alive who remembers that great great movie! They sure don't make 'em like that anymore..;;p)

                  Thanks for the laugh to start my day!
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      • Author by lambofHisflock (September 21, 2009 5:18 pm ET)
           
        The beliefs of our Founding Fathers are not so easily understood in a modern sense. Although many were in fact self-declared Deists, they also wrote a lot about their faith and integrated it with the governing of our country. Our first presidents declared days of fasting and prayer and thanksgiving. John Adams declared a A DAY OF FASTING & HUMILIATION in 1799. Here is part of that proclamation:

        "For these reasons I have thought proper to recommend, and I do hereby recommend accordingly, that Thursday, the 25th day of April next, be observed throughout the United States of America as a day of solemn humiliation, fasting, and prayer; that the citizens on that day abstain as far as may be from their secular occupations, devote the time to the sacred duties of religion in public and in private; that they call to mind our numerous offenses against the Most High God, confess them before Him with the sincerest penitence, implore His pardoning mercy, through the Great Mediator and Redeemer, for our past transgressions, and that through the grace of His Holy Spirit we may be disposed and enabled to yield a more suitable obedience to His righteous requisitions in time to come; that He would interpose to arrest the progress of that impiety and licentiousness in principle and practice so offensive to Himself and so ruinous to mankind; that He would make us deeply sensible that "righteousness exalteth a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people"; that He would turn us from our transgressions and turn His displeasure from us;..."
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    • Author by mjh (September 21, 2009 2:29 pm ET)
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      Hm, a Mormon proposing a day of fast and prayer on a Jewish Holiday to follow in the footsteps of people who were largely Protestant . . .




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      • Author by magnolialover (September 21, 2009 2:31 pm ET)
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        Yeah, poor Glenn. All mixed up again.

        I wonder if the leaders of his church are going to ex-communicate him?
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        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (September 21, 2009 6:15 pm ET)
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          I don't know if Glenn qualifies. In order to be an ex-communicator, you must have once been able to communicate. And he's never made any sense.
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        • Author by Bronwyn (September 23, 2009 1:53 am ET)
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          I wonder if the leaders of his church are going to ex-communicate him?
          Fat chance. His 10% tithing of his multimillion dollar income, is too much to let go of. After all they still have big gaudy temples to build.
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      • Author by epkklk851 (September 21, 2009 2:35 pm ET)
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        Mormons view themselves as the Lost Tribe, and non-Mormons are gentiles. However, any serious amount of study of Mormon theology will show a complete and utter failure at understanding Judaism. But, still knowing this, makes his idea of fasting on Yom Kippur somewhat understandable, even as it offends.
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    • Author by magnolialover (September 21, 2009 2:33 pm ET)
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      Also, I'm pretty sure none of the Founders were, you know, Jewish. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but they weren't. I'm also pretty sure that they wouldn't have celebrated Yom Kippur. Although, Jesus was Jewish, so you never know.
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      • Author by worrierking (September 21, 2009 2:43 pm ET)
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        Also, I'm pretty sure none of the Founders were, you know, CERTIFIABLY INSANE. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but they weren't.

        Hope you didn't mind me paraphrasing Mag.
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    • Author by IRONY 101 (September 21, 2009 2:50 pm ET)
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      Maybe we could perform a human sacrifice to God on September 28...you know, in homage to the Old Testament. Any suggestions, or volunteers, for sacrificee? Glennn...? ;>)
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      • Author by mjh (September 21, 2009 3:11 pm ET)
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        Good idea -- he could follow in the footsteps of his fellow foxie Sean Hannity, who volunteered to be waterboarded for charity.

        What's that? He backed out? Oh, never mind . . .

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    • Author by bintx (September 21, 2009 3:17 pm ET)
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      Hmmm, the Founders specifically intended that this country NOT be a religious nation.
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      • Author by magnolialover (September 21, 2009 3:28 pm ET)
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        I'm not sure about that, but what they did infer is that religion has no place in government.
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        • Author by bintx (September 21, 2009 4:01 pm ET)
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          Yeah, the Founders didn't intend this country to be a religious nation. Pretty specific about it . . . that's why the Constitution is written the way it is.
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          • Author by bintx (September 22, 2009 10:28 am ET)
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            "The bill for establishing religious freedom," says the author, "I had drawn in all the latitude of reason and right. It still met with opposition; but with some mutilations in the preamble, it was finally passed; and a singular proposition proved that it's protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word "Jesus Christ," so that it should read "a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion." The insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and infidel of every denomination." (Autobiography of Thomas Jefferson, 1821. ME 1:67)
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    • Author by SLRTX (September 21, 2009 3:19 pm ET)
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      Glenn Beck is the voice of the Republican party?

      The RNC needs to move up to a more intelligent person.

      What about Gomer Pyle?
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      • Author by IRONY 101 (September 21, 2009 3:23 pm ET)
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        Sarah Palin is available...and she's so adorable. And if she divorces Todd then two-thirds of Republican men will think they have a shot at her. ;>)
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        • Author by epkklk851 (September 21, 2009 3:26 pm ET)
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          I'm not a man, but if I heard someone describe herself as a pitbull with lipstick, I would shy away, but I guess some men like that sort of thing.
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          • Author by magnolialover (September 21, 2009 3:29 pm ET)
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            On a strictly physical level, I don't find her attractive at all. A little too "trailer trash" for me.
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            • Author by epkklk851 (September 21, 2009 3:38 pm ET)
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              I know a fair amount of trailer trash, I see your point. I think it is more her voice and body language than her actual face, that pitbull remark really turned me cold.
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              • Author by worrierking (September 21, 2009 3:48 pm ET)
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                It turned me cold too. One of my best friends is my pitbull and he's everything that Palin isn't. He's warn, gentle, friendly, happy and sane.

                I guess I can see how someone could be physically attracted to Palin, but I find her intellectually repulsive.
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                • Author by mjh (September 21, 2009 5:43 pm ET)
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                  "One of my best friends is my pitbull and he's everything that Palin isn't. He's warn, gentle, friendly, happy and sane."


                  But, can he skin a moose? :~0


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                  • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (September 21, 2009 6:41 pm ET)
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                    But, can he skin a moose? :~0
                    I hear there's more than one way to do that.
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            • Author by IRONY 101 (September 21, 2009 3:40 pm ET)
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              You betcha'... same here.
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      • Author by mjh (September 21, 2009 5:41 pm ET)
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        "Glenn Beck is the voice of the Republican party?

        The RNC needs to move up to a more intelligent person."



        Wait -- don't they already have Rush Limpballs?

        Oh, wait -- I noticed you said move UP. Never mind . . .

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    • Author by AB-001 (September 21, 2009 3:30 pm ET)
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      Uh-oh. Beck's followers may like Jews in theory (didn' Jerry Falwell condescendingly call us "the apple of God's eye?), but adopt the practices?

      He's gone too far for the right wing "my Jesus, not yours" core base, I tell you!

      You think Limbaugh would ever encourage his audience to act Jewish? C'mon, Glen!

      Oh, one more thing Beck: gey en dred
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    • Author by nkurland (September 21, 2009 3:34 pm ET)
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      Coming from the son of a conservative Rabbi, I can safely say that Glenn Beck has raped this day of any and all meaning.
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    • Author by noneyabidnis (September 21, 2009 3:52 pm ET)
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      Ohh man, I saw this coming. The day when Glenn Beck would directly call for his followers to fast. He's mentioned it a couple times, but never made much of a deal about it.

      Why didn't he make a big deal about it? You could see it in his body language when he mentioned fasting - he thought "oh yeah, I have to wait for Ramadan to be over before I can ask people to fast."

      Funny how this comes out IMMEDIATELY after Ramadan. He didn't want his followers to get confused.

      The funniest part will be his followers trying to fast. From the looks of the tea baggers, most of them seem like they can't go an hour without shoving something in their mouth.
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      • Author by jjamele2880 (September 21, 2009 5:54 pm ET)
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        Not only that, but he calls on people to Fast on a day when Observant Jews are Fasting anyway. Watch Beck take credit for Jews who do what they were going to do anyway.

        Coming soon- Beck calls for a day of prayer, watching football and eating Turkey in protest of Barack Obama's Socialist Takeover of Health Care. He designates Thursday, November 26 as the day to show our solidarity against Obamacare by stuffing ourselves silly in front of the tube.
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (September 21, 2009 6:43 pm ET)
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        The funniest part will be his followers trying to fast.
        They can't fast very well, but they can slow with the best of them...
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    • Author by jbraskin4786 (September 21, 2009 3:57 pm ET)
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      Will he then count all observant Jews as his supporters?
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    • Author by flourishes (September 21, 2009 4:02 pm ET)
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      Glenn Beck is a college dropout, alcoholic, drug-addicted know-it-all and his viewers are, at once, socialist obsessed and clinging to their Social Security checks and Medicare cards. How do I know? I connected the dots.
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    • Author by Sharpe3884 (September 21, 2009 4:33 pm ET)
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      Im Jewish and I have to say that Yom Kippur is the worst holiday ever - you cant eat, you have to be in temple for the overwhelming majority of the day and when you are not at temple, guess what you are doing? Either watching or helping cook food. I feel like us jews have decided that we have such a long history of being persecuted that when no one else will do it, we have to do it to ourselves. I dont get the holiday at all. Never did. If a non-Jew or even someone like beck wanted to join in the day of atonement be my guest. But after doing it for just one day, I can guarantee you will never make that mistake again.
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    • Author by overmars jr. (September 21, 2009 5:40 pm ET)
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      What the hell? Now he wants to re-appropriate religious holidays for his drivel? Does he not at all realize what Yom Kippur is?

      Hey Becky, it's the DAY OF ATONEMENT.

      Douche.
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    • Author by canaanxing9025 (September 21, 2009 8:10 pm ET)
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      I shudder to think Beck would have all of us try to do on Good Friday thru Easter Sunday.
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    • Author by LR74289 (September 21, 2009 10:28 pm ET)
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      Silly Rabbits, he's doing this to create another hailstorm of controversy. He knows precisely what he's doing. The more people he pi$$e$ off the more will watch him/listen to his nonsense. Ignore him, and everything about him. He offers nothing more to the public than fear and panic. He is irrelevant and will fade from the landscape in due course.
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    • Author by Whiterim@yahoo.com (September 21, 2009 11:01 pm ET)
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      I guess Mr. Beck will take time to fast and reflect after he has finished celebrating the month anniversary of the Mountain Meadows Massacre by his Mormon predecessors.
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