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Fox's Cameron: Amended Baucus bill "will be" physically "huge, and because of that, so too could the price be huge"

September 22, 2009 12:06 pm ET

From the September 22 edition of Fox News' America's Newsroom:

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The Bush Administration's draft legislative proposal for $700 billion to buy banks' "troubled assets" is three pages long.

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    • Author by Dmacalypse (September 22, 2009 12:12 pm ET)
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      Can't believe people actually prefer getting thir "news" from a clown like this.
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    • Author by Midnight Kevin (September 22, 2009 12:20 pm ET)
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      I did not realize that each page of the legislation is accompanied by a dollar amount. I guess I got my copy of Moby Dick at a real bargain!

      Instead of all these journalists fanning through the pages saying how big it is, why don't they open it up and read it, and not just a single section, but the entire bill? They seem to be using its size to intimidate average Americans, whom I know many probably would prefer a Cliffs Notes, but instead get Fox Notes, which is much worse.
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    • Author by peace4all (September 22, 2009 12:29 pm ET)
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      ok, wow. he really isn't very bright is he? just because the bill is alot of pages does not translate in the least into it's also more expensive somehow. unless you counting the cost of the paper. some of the bill is actually tax breaks and cuts in spending. and before all you wingnuts jump on me, i also know that there are spending increses as well, i'm just saying it has nothing to do with how many pages it has.
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      • Author by mk3872 (September 22, 2009 12:56 pm ET)
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        It's actually worse than that. The physical bill "size" was used as a ploy since the first House bill came out and Fox printed it in large font single-sided.

        Now they're saying that the bill size is due to ammendments, which are only proposed and are in the 100s because of frivulous GOP ammendments.

        Hmmm ... gee, makes me wonder if FNC and the GOP are in cahoots??
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        • Author by magnolialover (September 22, 2009 2:16 pm ET)
             
          Like how Hatch offered an amendment that would give special exemptions to all states that start with the letter "U".

          I see now how these guys are "helping" with trying to reform health care now.
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          • Author by rwmacdonald2091 (September 22, 2009 2:53 pm ET)
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            Now come on, old Orin was just trying to make amendment shorter, and of course less expensive.

            Do you have any idea what it would cost to put in the "tah" in that amendmendment. We would probably have to go around and start pulling the plug on everyone's grandmother, in order to pay for it.

            Just once would you liberal, fascists, Nazi, communist people, think before blowing your mouth off.

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    • Author by magnolialover (September 22, 2009 12:42 pm ET)
         
      Why do these yahoos all of a sudden have this major hang up about how many pages a bill is when being brought into Congress? I don't understand this. Let's face it, legislation is mind numbingly complex, AND, to get all of the legal language we need into said bills, sometimes takes a lot of pages to do it. This is nothing new.

      I always cringe when I hear Betsy McGauey (or whatever her last name is) talk about how health care reform should be written on 20 pages in PLAIN English (even though, it's already written in plain English to start with) so that everyone can understand it, which is an admission that she doesn't fully understand what is in said bill already, which also makes sense considering the amount of BS she's been spouting about the proposal that was in the House.

      Anyway... It does take a lot of pages to make up a bill sometimes.
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      • Author by goesto11 (September 22, 2009 2:50 pm ET)
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        They have a major hang-up about lengthy bills because they're in favor of a simple bill that would cover the entire conservative legislative agenda in just five words:

        "It's every man for himself!"

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    • Author by shaggles (September 22, 2009 12:44 pm ET)
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      Nobody supports the Baucus bill. Why would they ammend it? Why not work on one of the other bills?
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    • Author by mk3872 (September 22, 2009 12:53 pm ET)
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      So, with that logic, all we need to do is print the bill using double-sided printing & smaller font and then we'd have a bill that costs less!
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    • Author by PurpleState (September 22, 2009 1:04 pm ET)
         
      Hazy wording there. Hard to tell if he's associating length of a bill to cost of a bill, but he's already plowing ahead with the "unaffordability meme" for the healthcare reform bill.

      Still, once again Fox is "fair and balanced"...
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      • Author by magnolialover (September 22, 2009 2:17 pm ET)
           
        He's also forgetting that the Baucus bill has been scored as being deficit neutral, as in, it won't add anything to our debt.
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    • Author by Boxer1979 (September 22, 2009 1:31 pm ET)
         
      Other countries are laughing at us over this pathethic issue! What is so simple to say: Universal Single-Payer for everyone!

      Then all this arguing would not be taking place. Then again it will because of greed and selfishness.

      Again other countries are laughing at us over healthcare!

      Inside Note: British pays nothing for health care! Only 18-64 yr olds pay 10.00 dollars for medications! Everyone under or over theose ages is free! WTF!

      France: Pays nothing for education or healthcare! Plus has a 24hr on call doctor! WTF!

      Cuba: This is a country we have shut-off since the 1950's! They have medication that cost as much as 0.05! WTF!

      We need a reality check!
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      • Author by magnolialover (September 22, 2009 2:19 pm ET)
           
        Now, I'm sure that it doesn't cost "nothing" as you say, someone in the country has to be paying for it, and I'm sure it is paid as a tax from their wages, but that being said, I'd be all for that here.

        I already pay a lot of money per month for the coverage I get now, why not turn that money into a single payer system? I'd love it if we had that, that would mean, health care for all, and I'm definitely for that.

        Although, somehow that would be "SOCIALISM!!!" and it would destroy us as a country to try and let everyone have accessible health care and all. Sort of like how gays getting married in Massachusetts was going to DESTROY the entire sanctity of marriage within the US. Well, that hasn't happened yet, and I'm pretty sure if we had single payer coverage, we'd not turn into some socialist utopia.
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        • Author by goesto11 (September 22, 2009 2:52 pm ET)
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          A single-payer system in the US is inevitable.

          We may not see it in our lifetimes, but it's inevitable.

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          • Author by magnolialover (September 22, 2009 3:19 pm ET)
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            I'd like to see it now, or in the next 5-10 years. That would be pretty nice. And something worthy of doing.

            We keep hearing about how Canada's and the UK's system "doesn't work" or is just horrible. Funny, the folks almost always saying that are Americans speaking for those folks. Last time I checked, both Canadian and British citizens were both pretty well satisfied with their health care systems.

            If you look at the examples most often cited (UK, Canada, and France) as universal health care systems that are not functioning well, or operating well, we see that the following is true:

            1. UK rate of approval for national healthcare: 73%
            2. Canadian rate of approval: 73%
            3. France rate of approval: 83%

            Gallup poll

            And in the linked poll above, we see that with countries that have universal health care, the only ones that rank below 50% in approval ratings are Ireland and Greece, and that's it. Most of the other countries with national health care systems love it, or highly approve of it (like the many countries on this polling list having approval ratings over 80%, and Luxembourg even has a 90% approval rating).

            So, don't believe the "hype" that these mouth breathers tell you about people who have single payer systems that they don't like them, because that just isn't true.
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            • Author by goesto11 (September 22, 2009 3:36 pm ET)
                 
              All excellent points. I think eventually the weight of the numbers will force us toward single payer. The system just can't be sustained with tinkering.

              I've got an idea for some Dem messaging on health care:

              "If we don't reform health care, the terrorists win."

              Hey, it worked before.
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        • Author by LittleFuzzy (September 22, 2009 4:21 pm ET)
             
          Speaking as a proud Canadian: I pay for my health care through my taxes. I am taxed at about the same rate as a comparable US citizen (maybe even slightly less).
          I also pay group insurance through my employer to cover/assist with dental, optical and medication costs.
          I get my car insured by a government agency, at less than half the cost of private insurance.
          My electricity, telephone and natural gas are provided by provincially owned corporations. At least one city in the province has its own electrical company.

          Socialism? Probably. Evil? No.
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    • Author by pros2pros2940 (September 22, 2009 1:59 pm ET)
         
      Sure, Mr Cameron, we'll just go with the 4 page "plan" that republicans have as "solution"

      Something as varied as health care should have many, many pages.

      Shocking
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    • Author by Barry Bonds (September 22, 2009 3:47 pm ET)
         
      It isn't beyond reason to think that a physically huge bill will have an equally huge price tag. Studies have shown that their is a clear and direct correlation between number of pages in a bill and cost to the tax payers. 1018 divided into 900,000,000,000 equals a lot of money per page. This bill needs to be 100 pages long. America wants this bill to be 100 pages long.
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    • Author by papa bear3 (September 22, 2009 4:02 pm ET)
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      I was actually watching FOX when he said this, now I have to get a new remote, they break so easily when your mad.

      This reminds me of the Peanuts cartoon where Lucy was showing Linus all the the different types of trees in the neighborhood when they came upon a slender tree and she says with all authority she could muster, "Linus, this is a palm tree. It is called that because you can put the palm of your hand completely around it."

      Linus said his stomach hurt and he had to go home . . .

      my stomach hurts
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    • Author by justjoe628 (September 23, 2009 12:15 am ET)
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      "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
      -Thomas Jefferson

      Man, Thomas was a smart man. If he could have only seen this future.
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