Judith Miller declares insurance companies have the "right" to lie about health care reform
September 23, 2009 8:20 am ET
From the September 23 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends:
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That explains why to this day the GOP proposal to health care reform is nothing more than four pages of bullet points. Who needs a plan when you can just lie?
Must be a fundamentalist reichy thing...
I wonder how many of the sheeples will defend Judith Miller and Fox Noise's premise?? I wonder aloud.
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Where is Barney anyway?
Another American
Fishergirl
Proud Conservative
RightOn (when he's off his meds)
Wesley...
I think I need a freakin' life.
POV
Starky
Tboneslickens
Fairliberal
Another American
Fishergirl
Proud Conservative
RightOn (when he's off his meds)
Wesley
Puppienrainbows
Judith Miller -- isn't she the one who defended the Iraq invasion in that librul rag, the NYT?
Color me surprised.
But it makes sense now... these idiots are equating the right to lie outright about something to the first amendment right to free speech! Not the same thing, by a long shot!
WTF?? These people are nuts!! and so would be anyone who falls for this illogical lunacy!
Did they have a panel on lying at that so-cslled Values Voter Summit last week, or did it all come naturally?
Rinse, and repeat.
The issue here is not sinfulness, it's hypocracy, a sin in of itself.
These people wilfully lie to further their position, which is usually a lie, too. Most of these people don't care about abortions, they care about red meat for their supporters and voters. These are the simple-minded people that have no cumpunction about opposing a women's control of her own body (their paternalistic thinking is that women must be protected, even from themselves) and promoting easy access to guns, denying health coverage to those in need and putting felons to death whenever possible. The calling themsleves "pro-life". As if their position has anything to do with preserving life.
I hate abortions. Mu son is adopted and I thank God that his underage mother made the tough decision to go to high school pregnant and endure the mindless judgment of her peers to give life to my son. But it is not for me to make her have that baby or deny her the appropriate information to make an informed decision, that is between her, her parents and her doctors. A fetus is a glob of cells until it breaths and cries. If potential were the test, then all contraception, vasectomies and tubal ligations and, even, masterbation must be outlawed.
When are liberals going to wake up and see that abortion is a canard to distract from real issues. The right never wants abortion outlawed, it wants the issue to thrive because it makes the simple people vote against their own best interets.
Brab, nicely done!
By the way, if they do decide that masturbation is illegal, I am going to need my own special prosecutor. I will never forget the day a nun explained to me that nocturnal emissions (wet dreams) were a sin. I knew from that point on, I was never meant to be a lifelong Catholic.
I asked God for a bicycle for my birthday and I got some blocks to play with.
I asked God for a bicycle for Christmas and I got some new clothes.
Finnaly, I stole a bicycle and asked God for his forgiveness.
Ah... gotta love that organized religion.
I get the feeling that if God truly exists, he may be more upset with those who believe they can speak for him and spread forgiveness in his name than someone like me who questions whether he is real or not.
Not that many of the leaders of this brand of Christianity is actually religious or God fearing... but to claim to be so and then advocate that which would be fully against God, like lying to people in the name of profit. (Is it me or is that breaking two Commandments at once?)
Man made hypocrisy if ever there was any!
The letter that (in)Humana was passing out alleges that... Since this letter could potentially violate FEDERAL REGULATIONS, CMS had to act.
A copy of the letter can be found here.
Look, all your typical housewife who's home to watch this show needs to know is that the Marxist Obama government is taking away the right to free speech from a poor defenseless health care insurer because the Marxist Obama government doesn't like what they're saying. And the typical housewife will probably be next, all in due course of turning the country over to the fascist commies.
Fox News or any other non-goverment subsidized organization/corporation can put out anything they want whether it is true or not, this is not a "free speech" issue, it is a government sponsored rules issue pure and simple. The fact that Fox News doesn't understand that is typical and expected.
Ugh... so much wasted time and energy. Why don't the opponents of health care reform pick apart the actual weaknesses in the proposals instead of making stuff up?
If they can't understand the bill(s), then why are they a credible news source?
What?
This isn't free speech, this may be harmful information coming from a large company.
By the way, I really hate the random apostrophes when they aren't required. Urgh.
"I don't know how anybody could say what's factual or not;" said Gretchen Carlson. Will Ms.Carlson yell fire in a crowed theater, and suffer no consequences? The Giggle-Squad (Fox & Friends) strike me as high-school stuck-ups, with platinum cards, and chauffeurs. Fixated on bliss, (paycheck), they act accordingly. The Stockholm Syndrome applies. They are in a very deep (fox)hole, looking at the sky, with a very narrow view of the horizon, and continue digging!
'Fair and Balanced,' does not apply to veterans of Fox News, implied Mr. Sammon, by exclusion...factual or not? They mix lay speech with legalese. The accusation of lie is spoken in court, as liable or slander. ex: a surgeon in an operating room asking or a knife, instead of scalpel. What-cha-ma-call-it, do-hicky, thing-a-ma-jig.
Someone said ignorance is bliss, but consciousness dictates responsibility.
It be it,
Ronin Kannushi.
"I don't know how anybody could say what's factual or not;" said Gretchen Carlson. Will Ms.Carlson yell fire in a crowed theater, and suffer no consequences? The Giggle-Squad (Fox & Friends) strike me as high-school stuck-ups, with platinum cards, and chauffeurs. Fixated on bliss, (paycheck), they act accordingly. The Stockholm Syndrome applies. They are in a very deep (fox)hole, looking at the sky, with a very narrow view of the horizon, and continue digging!
'Fair and Balanced,' does not apply to veterans of Fox News, implied Mr. Sammon, by exclusion...factual or not? They mix lay speech with legalese. The accusation of lie is spoken in court, as liable or slander. ex: a surgeon in an operating room asking or a knife, instead of scalpel. What-cha-ma-call-it, do-hicky, thing-a-ma-jig.
Someone said ignorance is bliss, but consciousness dictates responsibility.
It be it,
Ronin Kannushi.
Individuals have a right to spread disinformation and/or misinformation as a part of the basic freedom of expression, IMO.
We do? Since when? Or am I missing something and you are being facetious?
I know there are laws that allow each of us to sue another for lying, but I just don't remember being told that I had a 'right' to purposely spread misinformation or lies about something.
I gave you a thumbs down for the moment and will happily change it to thumbs up... but only if you are joking as I see IMO but can't exactly tell.
Many people spread bad information unconsciously, unintentionally and often they believe what they are saying is the truth. It would be very problematic to regulate such speech.
The only real way to fight misinformation is to get down in the trenches and correct it. That is the responsibility of all good citizens. Sometimes we may even find out that we were the ones with the bad information. The only way to find out is to go through the process.
Twice in this clip Gretchen Carlson says that the insurance companies and the people in general can't know what is in these bills. In fact at one point she says until Obama comes out with a "one page primer" we will never know. To her, I'd like to say, "Well, honey, I'm a little old housewife in Ohio who babysits for a living and *I* know what is in those bills because I've read them. I should think that a 'news' reporter like yourself would have even more of an imperative to read them than I do as a private citizens."
I'm pretty sure that companies do not have the right to outright lie about their own company or their products that they sell. If they could, then the cigarette companies could say that their cigarettes are safe for kids whenever everyone knows that they are not. Its called being liable.
If I'm not mistaken, didn't the right tell war protester's to shut up?
I remember on letter to the editor after the 2004 campaign. The writers advice to libwrals was to, "Sit down, shut up, and enjoy the ride." I wonder what his thoughts about the following four years were.