ACORN videographer O'Keefe out to "really destroy them"; not sure whether he broke the law
September 27, 2009 10:43 am ET
From the September 27 edition of Fox Broadcasting Co.'s Fox News Sunday:
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Reagan said something similar in regards to Iran/Contra.
In all the couple tried their stuff at 24 offices, were reported by several and ignored as kooks by most, but even in the worst cases never even filled out paperwork for any actual help, only talking pie-in-the-sky in a preliminary interview.
If Acorn can get proof that there was deliberate misrepresentation (like original video showing reality very different than edited version) then Acorn would not need any other funding. That would indeed be the most justice I have seen in quite a while.
OTOH... if they are shown to have a history of fraud, abuse and lawlessness, well... even the urban liberals would abandon them. And rightly so. Is the benefit of the doubt well placed here? IDK. If it is, then they have nothing to lose and everything to (re)gain. If it's not... well, they're dead anyway.
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Just my idealistic take
If you don't believe me GO HERE and look up "Acorn Nuttiness," where I've explained this in more detail.
If you think there's any room to argue, fell free to press your case, either there or here. IMHO, where's there smoke, there some ignorant conservative blowing smoke, and little more.
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Or, as is the case here, a smoke making machine.
That's the line used by people with no facts but tons of accusations.
As Nice Guy Eddie points out, the claims of "voter fraud" are just not real. In many states people registering voters must submit, by law, all signed cards. Even when they themselves realize the registrations are fake.
So ACORN turned them in, in many cases clearly noting the fact they were false. That's following the law, not breaking it.
Why isn't the GOP still upset about the pension fraud in OHIO? Republicans investing state funds in rare coin funds? Now that's something worth looking in to. But they never mention actual fraud - just sweep it under the rug.
There are - to date - ZERO - credible or otherwise.
Unless you have information that is not public?
Wiretap laws are well-litigated by now. There aren't many gray areas left.
To suggest anyone doesn't have a reasonable expectation of privacy in a private office is just being silly - stretching to attempt to defend something that can't be defended.
Just because Linda Tripp got away with it doesn't mean others will be able to!
PS: Discovery cuts both ways. These film-makers (I will not call them journalists) have serious issues they don't want made public. Start with outtakes, original tapes that were dubbed or otherwise edited, and their sources of funding.
I hope i would have the guts to turn myself in, even if i thought i was in the Right.
Only a Coward would try to hide behind Fox News.
To be a Man means you have to stand up and Pay your own Dues.
Speak truth to power.
Mr. News
"If you want to equate the concealment of the prostitution of children with videotaping someone without their consent? That's your moral prerogative, that's your moral choice. But that's just, that's just not right."
There were no child prostitutes, remember? They were all in your mind. But you actually did break the law. Enjoy the view from up there on your high horse, because it's the last thing that comes right before a fall. This kind of false equivalence is typical of right wing thinking. No one equated child prostitution with taping without consent, you simpleton.
Save your moral outrage, and, if you want to be an investigative journalist, then appear on actual news networks, and release all the video that you shot, as opposed to just edited clips.
Kid, you are a dupe for the Cons...they will want to raise money for you but if you once say something bad about them, you will be on an island.
Again, WHAT PROSTITUTES?
I got it, I have just found the missing link....
These prostitutes are concealing the Weapon of Mass Destruction.
I can't wait until Hannity actually has some written proof from the prostitutes themselves that the ACORN people didn't care about them.
C'mon guys, we all had "imaginery prostitutes" when we were young, didn't we?
Just because he received tax advice on our to conceal prostitution does NOT mean that prostitution was actually going on. If he had found evidence that a pimp/prostitute was working there and was giving out this kind of information then I would give him credit for it. But all he got was advice on our to conceal it.
The worker there was just a complete idiot and deserved to be fired. And O'Keefe is a bigger idiot trying to equate the two. See you in court!
And, Mr. O'Keefe, speaking of hypocricy, you seem to be concerned about ACORN's alleged violation of the law yet you rationalize any illegal acts you may have committed as morally justified. Would murdering Barack Obama be morally justified?
This is a long article, but it's worth reading. I'll excerpt if briefly:
The Republican War Against ACORN
http://www.truthout.org/092709A?n Jason Leopold, Truthout: "In recent days, The Washington Post, The New York Times and other major news outlets have recounted the 'troubled' history of the poor people's advocacy group ACORN, but left out the five-year anti-ACORN campaign led by White House adviser Karl Rove and other Republican operatives. Dropped down the memory hole is the fact that ACORN was at the center of the so-called 'prosecutor-gate' scandal, when the Bush administration pressured US attorneys to bring indictments over the grassroots group's voter-registration drives, then fired some prosecutors who resisted what they viewed as a partisan strategy not supported by solid evidence."
Another excerpt I liked: "The attacks on ACORN for allegedly signing up phony voters served as a cover for Republican efforts to purge real voters from the voting roles, a tactic that became infamous in the battleground states of Florida and Ohio..."
I also love the line from Issa about delegitimizing the president. Californians should be so proud of that guy, a real patriot, I say.
Rep. Issa Introduces a Motion to Strip ALL FEDERAL FUNDING for the Criminal Group ACORN
He reps the district south and east of me, San Diego (between me and Mexico) and Riverside County (the "909", a little bit of Kentucky in SoCal, meth, mullet and monster tuck capital of the Golden State).
He's as bad as my rep, terrorist-friendly Dana Rohrabacher, who has a Glenn Beck video on his home page.wtf?
Oh, but he's handsome. That's about his only redeeming quality. Well, if you like that type.
My rep, Michael Burgess is as bad as yours, but at least he's not stupid enough to have a Glenn Beck video on his web site. WTF indeed!
http://www.onepeoplesproject.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=201:james-okeefe&catid=15:o&Itemid=3
Did I get that right?
Randy
He is a radical conservative out to destroy organizations that do not benefit his political party or personal beliefs...
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Like for example, to interview some people who were actually suspected of being involved in child prostitution.
Of course, the twitchy little nerd may have found himself in the same room as real-life pimps, people connected to organized crime, people who carry guns and make real journalists and cops disappear.
He chose to go where there were low wage, mostly female , employees who were most likely trained to give tax advice, and not to confront crazy clients.
O'Keefe is a phony and a coward. I think the GOP may have some serious regrets about hitching their wagon to this loser, even if they think de-funding ACORN is a juicy bit of red meat for the most paranoid chumps in their Fox "news" audience.
Hear, hear!
Maryland Code, ยง 10-402(a)(1) of the Court's and Judicial Proceedings Article makes it unlawful for any person to "(w)illfully intercept, endeavor to intercept, or procure
any other person to intercept or endeavor to intercept, any wire, oral, or electronic communication
[,]" unless all parties to the communication consent. Violation of the Maryland Wiretap Law
constitutes a felony, subject to 5 years imprisonment and/or a fine up to $10,000. In 2001, the
Maryland Court of Appeals in Deibler v. State, 365 Md. 185 (2001) held that, "willfulness" for
purposes of the Wiretap Law, did not require knowledge on the part of the defendant that his actions
were unlawful, thus abrogating prior Maryland law. Therefore, an interception that is not otherwise
specifically authorized is done "willfully" if it is done intentionally or purposefully.
O'Keefe should be indicted