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Carlson concerned about "ramifications" on "small businesses" if kids had longer school days

September 29, 2009 12:03 pm ET

From the September 28 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends:

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    • Author by shaggles (September 29, 2009 12:06 pm ET)
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      What?
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      • Author by mk3872 (September 29, 2009 12:50 pm ET)
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        it's called "making $$ off opposing EVERYTHING the president proposes"
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      • Author by rkcomments (September 29, 2009 3:19 pm ET)
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        Mentally challenged individuals with an agenda...that's Fox News.
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        • Author by patrioticKate (September 29, 2009 5:16 pm ET)
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          Every new station has an agenda! You are lucky to be saying this- you should thank a soldier for your freedom.
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    • Author by marco21 (September 29, 2009 12:12 pm ET)
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      Anything to diss the President and of course those dreaded unions.

      Anything at all.

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      • Author by NiceguyEddie (September 29, 2009 12:29 pm ET)
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        I know! Especially when kids being in school longer would mean that parents would have MORE TIME to attend to WORK.

        These people and their listeners are sofa king stupid.

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        No principles at all. Not one.
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        • Author by scubcap647 (September 29, 2009 3:10 pm ET)
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          This is so true. I cannot tell you how crazy coordinating a schedule around school drop offs and pick ups is. I go to work from 8am-5pm. I have to figure out ways to get my kid to school at 8:30am and pick her up at 4:00pm. I thank God for my wife being able to do that. But that's only because she was laid off. If she had a regular day shift job then we couldn't do that. She's trying to find something at night (I pray for her in this economy) so we don't have to change our schedules too much when she starts working again. A longer school day would definitely be a plus. I don't see a downside. The kids have more time to learn and grow both acedemically and socially. I am able to remain at work and not have to pay extra money for any kind of after school programs unless my schedule gets pushed back to a 6pm leave time. I could care less about how small businesses think they're going to make money off of when my kids leave school. I'm sure they would make the needed changes to still get our money.
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          • Author by patrioticKate (September 29, 2009 5:08 pm ET)
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            Sounds like you want the government to raise your kids. Did you sign up to be a Dad or have you decided you don't like the job anymore so you going to turf your responsibilities to the government. Live within your means and become a Father again!!!! Your kids will appreciate it!!!!
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            • Author by vysotsky (September 30, 2009 11:18 am ET)
                 
              And how did you come to that conclusion about the previous author of the previous comment? Education is a legitimate state function, wouldn't you agree?
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          • Author by Tbone Slickens (September 30, 2009 9:11 am ET)
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            I think you're missing the point. By extending the school year there are many small businesses that rely on the high school age kids around our town (beach community) and if the school year is extended the labor pool that they have built their livelihoods on for years (since the 20's in some cases) will dry up.

            I see your point on longer days (half hour to hour more) but we shouldn't turn our schools into day care centers which is what it would inevitably lead to.
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            • Author by vysotsky (September 30, 2009 10:00 am ET)
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              If your community's economic health is so dependent on seasonal high school labor that you don't think it's capable of adapting to any change in that labor pool, then don't you think a proposed change to the school schedule is the least of your worries?
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    • Author by raine315 (September 29, 2009 12:14 pm ET)
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      There goes that "Stepford" induced stare again....
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    • Author by MickD (September 29, 2009 12:14 pm ET)
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      How about HMOs and health care insurance providers? How will they feel? MAROONS!
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    • Author by AB-001 (September 29, 2009 12:14 pm ET)
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      Obama came out in favor of Earth rotation remaining consistent with that of previous years. Fox & Friends is questioning his real motivations
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      • Author by vysotsky (September 29, 2009 2:04 pm ET)
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        Well now let's consider the ramifications of the Earth's continued consistent rotation on small businesses and the free market. After all, if the government were to allow the planet's rotational speed to respond to free market forces, we might see tremendous new opportunities for the energy sector. We could double or triple productivity if we just allowed for the doubling or tripling of the duration of each day. Obviously we would have fewer days, but that could provide opportunities for profit as well. For example, this would cut the number of days that students are in school, which -- as explained in the video clip above -- would benefit small businesses. This is just one more way Obama is trying to socialize the country, the planet, and indeed our solar system.
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    • Author by epkklk851 (September 29, 2009 12:15 pm ET)
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      I lived in Korea for 10 years. I spent most of that living in a Korean neighborhoods, in fact, I lived right next door to a school. Asian children go to school more than American children do. They have year round schools, with a longer break in the winter than we do (their school halls are not heated), they go five days a week for the same amount of time as Americans, but they also put in a half day on Saturday, and then, after school, they go to their crash academies for supplimentary lessons. It is not unusual to see Korean school children at bus stops in their school uniform at 11:00 PM, on their way home from the extra activities. I am also sure if such things as year round schools became common in the U.S., the small businesses would make adjustments. In Virginia, the Tae-Kwon Do Academy near me has a bus for its students.
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      • Author by Tbone Slickens (September 30, 2009 9:19 am ET)
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        So they're going year round out of necessity (no heat) not because of academic achievement. I spent some time in Korea and also remember school children in uniform coming home at a late hour. I'm not sure we want to go to THAT extreme or going on the weekends.

        Here is a thought. Why dont we do it like we used to and get the most out of our five day, six hour, nine month regimen?

        Any comments from the teachers union?
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    • Author by The_Cat (September 29, 2009 12:16 pm ET)
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      First, I proposed a school year of three sixteen week semesters, with a week off in spring and fall, and a two week break over the New Year. The summer off dates from back when 25% of school kids lived on the farm, and had to help out in summer. The two semesters on either side of New Year's would be normal school semesters. The summer semester would be for elective work, and remedial education. That means if you want your summer off, you'd better get good grades or you will spend it re-taking classes.

      Second, it's not how long you spend in class, but rather the quality of instruction you receive. Smaller class sizes would be a big step in this direction.

      Lastly, most school aged children are not eligible for full time work due to child labor laws. Of course, FOX is no doubt in favor of rescinding those laws, since you can pay kids a lot less than even illegal immigrants for the same basic job. Gotta protect the bottom line, right? And it's not like we'll be taking advantage of kids who matter: wealth, white, and privileged.
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    • Author by spittinghotfireonrepukes (September 29, 2009 12:16 pm ET)
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      Yeah, other countries are conspiring to better educate their children. This group lacks in common sense and are morally inept.
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      • Author by John Paradox (September 29, 2009 4:33 pm ET)
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        See, if other countries (not America) support education, it must be Un-American!
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    • Author by snoopy (September 29, 2009 12:21 pm ET)
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      All the small businesses I see around schools in texas are taco bells, mcdonalds and various other fast food joints. They usually see a drop in business during the summer recess. Perhaps wretchin' gretchin is worried about the malls?
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    • Author by DAWUSS (September 29, 2009 12:22 pm ET)
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      Schools in the US aren't designed to educate. They're designed to produce useful idiots.
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    • Author by Oklad (September 29, 2009 12:24 pm ET)
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      Nice fact checking there Doucy..


      Country
      Days of School

      Japan
      243

      South Korea
      220

      Israel
      216

      Luxembourg
      216

      The Netherlands
      200

      Scotland
      200

      Thailand
      200

      Hong Kong
      195

      England
      192

      Hungary
      192

      Swaziland
      191

      Finland
      190

      New Zealand
      190

      Nigeria
      190

      France
      185

      United States
      180
      .


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      • Author by The_Cat (September 29, 2009 1:05 pm ET)
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        You can't just bring facts to an argument with conservatives! What were you thinking?! Oh, right, you were thinking. See, that's where you lost 'em. :) Well posted, Oklad.
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (September 29, 2009 1:14 pm ET)
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        WOO HOO!

        WE'RE NUMBER SIXTEEN!

        WE'RE NUMBER SIXTEEN!

        WE'RE NUMBER SIXTEEN!

        WE'RE NUMBER SIXTEEN!

        Maybe this will replace the current choice chant of the ignorati: "USA! USA! USA!"
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    • Author by WorldViewer (September 29, 2009 12:24 pm ET)
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      Yes, schoolchildren in other nations spend less hours in terms of total instruction... but they spend their hours MORE OFTEN. They don't have the 2 month summer brain drain.
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    • Author by manofmystique (September 29, 2009 12:36 pm ET)
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      These idiots are a prime example why kids should go to school longer. How do you spell s t u p i d i t y ?
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    • Author by kfraz43 (September 29, 2009 12:56 pm ET)
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      Conservative kids don't need no more education. They need to get their asses home in time to wash my truck and then watch Hannity - THAT's where the education is, goldernit!
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    • Author by neon desert (September 29, 2009 12:56 pm ET)
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      Here's the AP article where Doocy (it seems pretty apparent) gets his figures:

      http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_MORE_SCHOOL?SITE=NCAGW&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

      And here's a part of the article that he left out:
      "Charter schools are known for having longer school days or weeks or years. For example, kids in the KIPP network of 82 charter schools across the country go to school from 7:30 a.m. to 5 p.m., more than three hours longer than the typical day. They go to school every other Saturday and for three weeks in the summer. KIPP eighth-grade classes exceed their school district averages on state tests."

      Gee, now why would Fox and Fiends not bother with THAT part of the article? Could it be because they have an agenda to Bash Obama EVERY SINGLE TIME THEY OPEN THEIR WORTHLESS GOP-SUCKING MOUTHS?

      And by the way, Doocy - the numbers you quoted were only from Asian countries, you stoopid pile of reconsituted dog vomit.

      (I hope I'm not seeming to lose control here. Does it seem like I've lost control? I want to give the impression of being reasonable and not overly emotional when referring to this panel of vapid rat-droppings)
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    • Author by jeter2 (September 29, 2009 1:07 pm ET)
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      Obviously quality time spent in classrooms is better than just quantity time. Keeping kids in school longer without a guarantee/plan on providing a better education will accomplish very little, other than tired kids who in many parts of the country won't be able to concentrate without air conditioning...another expense not thought out before offering up this idea.

      I'm not sure about small businesses suffering, but certainly those that count on high school kids for summer employment might feel the pinch.
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      • Author by juliajayne1 (September 29, 2009 1:48 pm ET)
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        J2. Hi darlin'. ;-)

        The A/C is very much an issue here in Texas. Add to that the extra carbon dioxide that would be put into the atmosphere, as well.

        But it could be mitigated by putting the little rodents into summer work camps as God intended. ;-) Have them paint the roof of the school white, and afterwards start painting the roads white to deflect the sun and help reverse climate change.

        Ah, J/K That work should go to illegal immigrants! J/K again....;-)
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        • Author by jeter2 (September 29, 2009 2:23 pm ET)
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          Well Miz Julia darlin, we up here in New England have to heat our schools for a good portion of late Autumn, all Winter, & even into early Spring, so air conditioning during the Summer months would be a big added expense.

          But it could be mitigated by putting the little rodents into summer work camps as God intended. ;-)

          Mmmmmm....sounds like a great moonbat plan. But I doubt God is with ya on this one ;-)
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          • Author by snoopy (September 29, 2009 2:40 pm ET)
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            You're right, Jeter! We've been told for years now that god is on your side! Reichwingers tell us we're just a bunch of godless commie fascist racist white hatin' idiots, remember?
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            • Author by jeter2 (September 29, 2009 3:11 pm ET)
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              Don't worry Snoop, I'll put in a good word to God about ya ;-)

              P.S. You forgot "pinkio". Ha!
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              • Author by jeter2 (September 29, 2009 3:12 pm ET)
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                Make that "pinko"

                I'm typing this without my glasses!!! Gotta go find them!!
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              • Author by juliajayne1 (September 29, 2009 3:35 pm ET)
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                I'm pretty sure I utter God's name way more than you, mister man! And he speaks to me in tongues......;-0) Or was that you speaking to me in tongue?...;-)
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                • Author by jeter2 (September 29, 2009 3:52 pm ET)
                     
                  I'm pretty sure I utter God's name way more than you, mister man!

                  Aw darlin, is that when you're calling out "God Jeter!!..Oh God Jeter!! You are a God Jeter!!" :-)

                  Or was that you speaking to me in tongue?...;-)

                  That's just my tongue hon...just where you...I'm not gonna finish this thought, there might be children reading this ;-)
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                  • Author by juliajayne1 (September 29, 2009 4:50 pm ET)
                       
                    Aw darlin, is that when you're calling out "God Jeter!!..Oh God Jeter!! You are a God Jeter!!" :-)

                    That's just the PG version!
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                    • Author by kfraz43 (September 29, 2009 5:06 pm ET)
                         
                      What is the Interweb version of "Get a Room"?

                      Don't want Jete to get a case of the sticky keyboard...

                      ;-)
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                      • Author by jeter2 (September 29, 2009 5:25 pm ET)
                           
                        Hey Kfraz, I think it's still just "Get a room", or maybe "Get a cyber room"? ;-)

                        Me & Miz Julia have been told to "get a room" on numerous occasions during the past 2yrs :-)

                        And yeah a sticky keyboard would not be too cool. Ha!
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                    • Author by jeter2 (September 29, 2009 5:27 pm ET)
                         
                      That's just the PG version!

                      I know darlin :-)One of these days we'll have to give the folks here the XXX version ;-)
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                      • Author by jeter2 (September 29, 2009 5:43 pm ET)
                           
                        Important MMFA news...

                        Tomorrow is Miz Julia's Birthday...so let's throw her a cyber bash!!! :-)

                        Snoop, I'm counting on you to find the perfect thread!!!

                        And Pearlene if you're reading this, I won't forget your box of wine ;-)
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      • Author by pete592 (September 29, 2009 1:54 pm ET)
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        "another expense not thought out before offering up this idea."

        No kidding.
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        • Author by pete592 (September 29, 2009 2:05 pm ET)
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          I wish Fock Snooze and the rest of the right-wing professional liars would have been there to help us "think this out."
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        • Author by jeter2 (September 29, 2009 2:20 pm ET)
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          Well Pete since it's well established here that I was against the war & the unplanned expense, I'm not sure why you're pointing this out to me. But see I'm against all unplanned expenses, not just what my side is doing. How about you?

          And of course didn't carp & moan over the war & the unplanned expenses. That's FOX for ya. And since I also have knocked this network when I felt they deserved it...you are complaining to someone that agrees with you.

          But nice chatting with you again Pete ;-)
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    • Author by canaanxing9025 (September 29, 2009 1:16 pm ET)
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      neon desert:

      I thought your comments about Doocey were pretty much on target.
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      • Author by canaanxing9025 (September 29, 2009 1:29 pm ET)
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        neon:

        I liked vapid rat droppings too. It sounds about right for these three.
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    • Author by IRONY 101 (September 29, 2009 1:26 pm ET)
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      Three idiots trying to sound authoratative about education. How ironic...

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    • Author by rwmacdonald2091 (September 29, 2009 1:27 pm ET)
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      Carlson concerned about "ramifications" on "small businesses" if kids had longer school days

      The Three Stooges strike again! Where on earth do these people come from?

      My wife was a elementary school teacher for years. Just for yucks we sat down and counted all the time she spent administering and preparing kids for standardized tests. State, federal, and local tests. We counted up 32 instructional days. Almost 15% of her time was wasted on testing. Her time would have been far better spent on teaching!

      We need to add a month to the calender just to make up the lost time doing all this crazy testing. We're going to turn out kids who know how to take a test, but won't be able find the United States on a map.

      No wonder Fox Noise doesn't want better education, they won't be able to bamboozle a lot of people in this country anymore




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      • Author by kfraz43 (September 29, 2009 5:09 pm ET)
           
        Hear, hear! My wife's biggest complaint is the feeling that a huge chunk of her year is "teaching the test". And she teaches hand-picked kids who meet a specific academic criteria - I can imagine how much worse it is for a typical classroom...
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    • Author by PurpleState (September 29, 2009 1:49 pm ET)
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      You know, there is one very telling thing about F&F in comparison to the other morning network programs.

      Who needs to look into the camera when discussing these things?

      Good Morning America, Today, The Early Show...they all look at each other and speak from their mind when conversing and discussing these topics. Carlson, Doocey...the other guy--they all have to stare in the camera to read their lines.

      Gee, and Obama was criticized for telepromptering?

      And as far as the "later hours of the day" thing? Japan already has their students getting home in the evenings after their school club activities. They have the US BEAT to death in total hours at school.
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    • Author by themidnightreview.com (September 29, 2009 2:09 pm ET)
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      Focus on standardized testing hasn't worked... maybe its time teachers can actually teach the material rather then what will be on the official tests...
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      • Author by juliajayne1 (September 29, 2009 3:43 pm ET)
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        It would also be nice if the teachers would help students think conceptually, instead of by rote/memorization. I think that would help them develop much better critical thinking skills, and create a much bigger proportion of liberals! ;-0) Okay, J/K about that last part.

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    • Author by jbrantow (September 29, 2009 4:04 pm ET)
         
      It's apparent that this misinformed ignorant "beauty" queen didn't spend more time in school. Maybe then she might have actually been qualified for the real news channels like msnbc, cnn, abc or anything other than faux and zealot wingnut radio. What a pathetic hag.
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    • Author by wilfredroczkos (September 29, 2009 4:06 pm ET)
         
      Number one in instructional hours ? Maybe because they reclassified all the extra hours spent by students who are members of the sports team, band, cheerleading, etc. as instructional hours, and then added them to the actual hour count to achieve a higher average. Of course that does not really translate into higher, better learning ! As of the small businesses, I am pretty sure that whatever little pocket money students do spend at stores, will still reach these very businesses. There is just going to be a two hour delay ! Longer school days therefore sound like a win, win situation to me.
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    • Author by 4EverOutKasted (September 29, 2009 5:31 pm ET)
         
      She said "It'll work for poorer kids because they don't get they don't have parental inluence". What does she know.
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    • Author by roninkannushi1711 (September 29, 2009 6:52 pm ET)
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      Fellow Matterers,

      I could not pass up this embarrassing segment. (give me a minute...or two...make it five) With my elbow on an arm-rail of my chair, thumb on my cheekbone, and two fingers on my forehead, cradling my head, the stunning feelings are overwhelming, and indescribable. Enough about me.

      Our educational system has a combination of factors, preventing America from being he smartest in the world. Originally, from what I remember, vacation was to help our agrarian culture with harvest time. Since, we have industrialized without adjusting for the reduction of needed labor.

      The brain, a muscle, when not exercised will lose tone, much like an athlete taking a long break from training. In the fall semester, children have to redevelop their educational mind-set. Year round school, like other countries, would hold focus,(tone), at a ready level. The economy would benefit from steady business vs. shock shopping that has a start-stop affect. The boom-bust interim will be held to a minimum, prompting a smoother business flow. Promoting economic viscosity will contribute positively to our GNP,(gross national product).

      Mr. Doocy does not quote his statistical sources. Who are they? We are playing catchup, by not having our students maintain academic health. Pres. Obama has a good idea, basically. The fact remains: reenforcement of academic standards will produce higher test scores, if studies are metered throughout the year, that include small breaks and holidays.

      Ms. Carlson, in spite of her saying, "...I think poorer kids would do well, to go to school throughout the year...," implies those thieving minorities can be watched; year-round would be of great benefit, to minority children. I would like that to happen: talk about the backlash when minorities test higher. If you think racism is subsurface now, wait until minorities become the boss. Ouch!

      Mr. Kilmeade insinuates that other countries are giving kids they(sic) answers,(his word not mine). Is keeping them stupid what the Republicans and Democrats agree to? I do not trust what Mr. Kilmeade said, about that. I want to know the name of the independent study.

      Pride and ignorance will be the ruin of our sub-educated populace, and render America academically impotent.

      Pass it along.

      It be it,
      Ronin Kannushi.
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    • Author by Boxer1979 (September 29, 2009 8:32 pm ET)
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      These three are retards! Small businesses would not lose customers or money due to kids staying in school longer. Education should be a value and every parent should be behind the fact that their kids are attending school longer. Most businesses that attract kids stay open till 8 or 9pm. Plus there is always weekends and holidays for kids to attend programs. These dummies thing that kids will be in school 365! Of course there will be breaks. Let the layouts be submitted before making your judgement!
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