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Stewart mocks conservatives' reaction to Chicago's failed Olympics bid: "Yeah, F*** America!"

October 06, 2009 8:55 am ET

From the October 5 edition of Comedy Central's The Daily Show:

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Previously: Rooting against America: Beck, other conservatives cheer elimination of Chicago's Olympic bid

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    • Author by NiceguyEddie (October 06, 2009 9:03 am ET)
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      And I don't find that the least bit depressing.
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    • Author by IRONY 101 (October 06, 2009 9:23 am ET)
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      But at the next winter Olympic games they'll all be chanting USA! USA! USA!... for the hockey team. I think Republicans prefer the winter Olympics over the summer Olympics because there are more white competitors in the winter games...skiing and hockey not exactly being popular African American sports. In the summer games the Republicans are forced to watch all those black U.S. sprinters and, who knows, one of them may raise a radical gloved-fist from the winner's platform in protest of something or other. Yea...Republicans are definitely the party of the WINTER Olympics... ;>)
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      • Author by IRONY 101 (October 06, 2009 9:29 am ET)
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        Hmmm...it just occurred to me that the last Olympic SUMMER games hosted by a U.S. city were in Atlanta, a predominantly black city, in 1996.

        The last Olympic WINTER games in the U.S. were in Salt Lake City, Utah, in 2002...and Mitt Romney was the head of the U.S. Olympic committee which ran the games.
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        • Author by pilotshark (October 06, 2009 9:36 am ET)
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          not to mention a bombing at the Atlanta games.
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          • Author by IRONY 101 (October 06, 2009 9:47 am ET)
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            ...by a right wing anti-abortion nut.
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            • Author by princeofwheels (October 06, 2009 10:02 am ET)
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              Ouch, the pilotshark goes down in flames.
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            • Author by pilotshark (October 06, 2009 10:28 am ET)
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              Well you are right about that.

              the operative words are right-wing and nut, the push against the Olympics are right-wing and nuts.

              thats all i was pointing out.
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        • Author by princeofwheels (October 06, 2009 10:10 am ET)
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          If I recall, weren't those Winter Snow White Olympic Games in Salt Lake tarnished with some sort of scandal concerning bribery of the Olympic officals by some white guys.

          I guess the gays, the blacks, the crooked politicians, the crooked nose guys and all those other people living in Chicago just didn't offer enough of a bribe. Damn, they should've had better sense than to try to secure the games by the rules. ACORN should have been involved.<>
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          • Author by SAR (October 06, 2009 11:50 am ET)
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            What Chicago had was f***ing golden. They wouldn't have let it go for f***ing nothing.
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          • Author by themidnightreview.com (October 06, 2009 12:19 pm ET)
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            That was the thing that Beck used to attack Chicago...

            If Salt Lake City of all places would have corruption surrounding the Olympic games, just imagine what would take place in Chicago, home to famous people such as Barack Obama and notorious gangster Al Capone...

            Chicago is such a cesspool that nothing good would have come out of hosting the Olympics there...

            this was also a Conservative savior moment, with Mitt Romney playing the hero, riding in on his white horse, saving the Utah Olympics.

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            • Author by princeofwheels (October 06, 2009 12:24 pm ET)
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              Funny that the Mormons called on one of their own to fix it.
              Maybe Chicago calling one of their own to help was just a wise thing to do....nah, it would call for common sense to think that way.

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            • Author by IRONY 101 (October 06, 2009 1:06 pm ET)
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              You are aware that Al Capone has been dead for many years...?
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              • Author by themidnightreview.com (October 06, 2009 3:35 pm ET)
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                I am aware that he has been dead, but his corpse still resides in Chicago... is Glenn Beck aware that he is dead?

                Maybe we'll see conspiracies linking the Genna Brothers to Obama as well...

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        • Author by puppienrainbows (October 06, 2009 11:41 am ET)
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          Good call, Irony. If you try hard enough, you can fabricate racism in ALL circumstances.
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          • Author by IRONY 101 (October 06, 2009 11:54 am ET)
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            It's easy when racism is there...even when it had previously only been present in a latent form. Racism is easy to spot...and easier to deny.
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          • Author by princeofwheels (October 06, 2009 12:20 pm ET)
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            How about the Conservatives cheering the defeat of America in trying to get the Olympics?..did you see it? Wasn't it orgasmic for the Cons?

            Now were the happy America lost out or Obama tried and did not succeed and we still didn't get the Games? Which one?
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      • Author by jeter2 (October 06, 2009 11:21 am ET)
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        Good grief!

        Is it always about race for you guys? It gets redundant after awhile.

        Here let me clue you in: They were cheering against Obama. Just like they would have cheered against Bill Clinton, a big ole White boy last I checked. They would have cheered against Carter. Another White guy. Are ya picking up a pattern here? If you guessed they are cheering against Democratic Presidents...you win a prize...to be named later ;-)

        Come on, the Right hated Clinton as much if not more than they do Obama. Have you all forgotten? Or do ya just have selective memories when it's convenient & more fun to yell..It's cause Obama is Black!!

        Now these right-wing idiots in cheering against Obama ended up actually cheering against the USA. But I guess seeing a Dem/Lib fail is more important to them because they are basically idiots.

        But every time you bring race into it...you all sound just as clueless.
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        • Author by puppienrainbows (October 06, 2009 11:54 am ET)
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          It's Obama we want to see fail, not America. It's the radical policies Obama is pushing, not the color of his skin. His trip to Copenhagen BEHIND Michelle and the Oprah had the appearance of pandoring for Chicago rather than America. It is that 'lobbying' for Chicago and all that is Michelle and the Oprah that gave the impression that this was a personal objective, to 'pay back' Chicago for their 'support' and CONTINUED support IF the IOC bends to cronyism. Obama's trip to Copenhagen was NOT a cheer for America, it was a cheer for Obama, Michelle and the Oprah and Chicago, not America and Americans.
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          • Author by Victor Colorado (October 06, 2009 12:09 pm ET)
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            Please offer what you consider to be the "radical policies Obama is pushing".
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            • Author by princeofwheels (October 06, 2009 12:25 pm ET)
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              You beat me to it..
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              • Author by Victor Colorado (October 06, 2009 12:34 pm ET)
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                We'll soon find out if puppienrainbows can articulate 2 or 3 of President Obama's "radical policies"...
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            • Author by puppienrainbows (October 06, 2009 12:59 pm ET)
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              A) Putting my children and grandchildren in debt by tripling the national debt.(overnight)
              B) Pushing a national healthcare system, run by the government, that will drive many doctors out of the field. A healthcare system that will provide mediocre care for all and cost twice as much as present healthcare.
              C) Pushing a worldwide 'diplomatic' effort that insults our allies and rewards dictators.(one on one 'talks' with the president of Iran while condemning Israeli settlements. Scrapping a European defense shield already in place, protecting Eastern Europe while opting for a scaled down, mobile defense which won't be ready until 2013, rewarding Putin and abandoning Czecoslovakia).
              D) Constant rhetoric from the Whitehouse that wants to "reshape America"--- WTF does that mean? Reshape America. In Obama's utopian vision of America, the freedom to inovate will be lost to regulations and tax burdens. The desire to excel will be lost to "redistribution" of assets. The sense that America is the greatest nation on earth will be lost to a genuflecting Obama, more interested in being 'liked' rather than respected.
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              • Author by IRONY 101 (October 06, 2009 1:08 pm ET)
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                Those are just Republican talking points...right wing spin.
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              • Author by princeofwheels (October 06, 2009 1:12 pm ET)
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                A. They were in debt before the D's took over. And going down hill fast. Thank God the D's rescued the economy so your kids may be in debt.

                B.Where did you get these facts? Betsy McCoughy(sic)...she was dispelled on the Morning Meeting MSNC show this morning for refusing to answer questions.

                C."Pushing a worldwide 'diplomatic' effort that insults our allies and rewards dictators" as opposed to what? Blowing them up. Part C. is just ChickenHawk verbage customized to fit anything...no real facts

                D. "Redistribution of wealth"..."Obamas' Utopian vision", "the freedom to innovate" all nice phony phrases which mean nothing unless you drink the tea and think inside a teacup. These are mythical talking points of the Right without substance.

                If I was computer savvy enough, I would post the definition of a Republican/Consevative Think Tank

                A Picture of that Magic-8 Ball witht he answer being showing through the window....NO.....

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              • Author by mjh (October 06, 2009 1:15 pm ET)
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                Putting my children and grandchildren in debt by tripling the national debt.(overnight)


                Hm, sounds like somebody was asleep when Dubya started a war costing $12 BILLION/month and tried to fund it with tax cuts for the rich . . .


                "Pushing a worldwide 'diplomatic' effort that insults our allies and rewards dictators."


                Yes, how terrible:

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                • Author by fairliberal (October 06, 2009 9:10 pm ET)
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                  None of those people are bowing like our current apologist.
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                  • Author by mjh (October 07, 2009 12:46 am ET)
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                    "None of those people are bowing like our current apologist." - puppychasingitstail


                    Our "current apologist" isn't apologizing for America, he's apologizing for his predecessor.

                    And his predecessor did a few other things besides bowing:

                    [http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_9ks36c549BI/RhVf7cnxmVI/AAAAAAAAADg/mI5PtevHg08/s400/bush-abdulah.jpg]
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                    • Author by jmille426471 (October 07, 2009 4:57 am ET)
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                      [http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/00661/news-graphics-2008-_661441a.jpg]
                      [http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_sW65ilskOC8/RuILhZ-c3RI/AAAAAAAAGEE/ifV7IdmEiiI/s400/GeorgeBushVladimirPutinButtoningCoats.jpg]
                      [http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_i-gczUraU10/R0tbNfTWqnI/AAAAAAAAAIg/v1NyBvfhN7U/s400/20070609-bush_putin.jpg]
                      [http://www.sochi-travel.info/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/bush_sochi_00.jpg]

                      "I looked the man in the eye...I was able to get a sense of his soul..that's the beginning of a very constructive relationship"
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                • Author by Martin of Dair (October 07, 2009 12:45 am ET)
                     
                  Agreed, the younger Mr Bush led a government that grossly accelerated a preexisting state of fiscal mismanagement. Funds where needlessly spent on delusional issues, the ticket to such spending being unchecked hysteria over single major terrorist attack and arrogant dismissal of prior inteligence. There where witch hunts, blind vengefullness and faile policies.

                  His successor continues to spend funds that must come either from thin air or out of our pockets. Any change that has actually taken place is a shift of ideology, based on a longer extant hysteria over different illusory issues.

                  The insanity of the far right, be they "Fundamentalist Christians" (that cannot seem to read the words of (Christ/Yeshua/that nice man(?) whose name they appropriate) or the everpresent jingoist (Dr Samuel Johnson had a few things to say about false patriotism, around three centuries ago), or the latent racist riding genuine issues to deride the purely incidental fact that Mr Obama has a different skin colour than they do.

                  Word from the historian. There's only just been a government facilitated bailout of two of three remaining major US auto companys. This was immediately followed by a sudden and extreme increase in the Corporate Average Fuel Economy standard - when those firms had not yet recovered from those imposed after the false gas crisis of 1972/3. Yes, false. The price raise demanded by OPEC, backed by an embargo, trigerred all the then radical notions of environmentalism into widespread hysteria.

                  The right wing Republicans have their pet issues, the left wing Democrats have theirs. The only dishonour we're jumping on at the moment is the venom implied or directly vomited by the false patriot - the usual rhetoric devoid of any factual basis.

                  So, all we know is that neither of the very vocal tails (fringes) or the opinion distribution (a statistical map of congregate notions derived by subcultural behaviour) know very much about the things they ask for in a very loud voice.

                  Thank you.
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              • Author by New Frontier (October 06, 2009 1:38 pm ET)
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                C) Pushing a worldwide 'diplomatic' effort


                OMG! Wow, that certainly is a radical policy compared to bombing, shocking and awe-ing, which really worked out well for us during 2001-2008.
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                • Author by puppienrainbows (October 06, 2009 5:46 pm ET)
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                  You posted only half of the sentence I posted! Classic!
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                  • Author by New Frontier (October 06, 2009 7:09 pm ET)
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                    You posted only half of the sentence I posted! Classic!

                    You avoid addressing responses. Classic!
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              • Author by pilotshark (October 06, 2009 1:51 pm ET)
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                you do realize there is no such country as Czechoslovakia right?
                you do also realize that your children and grand kids were all ready in debt thanks to the last admin right?

                went did he insult one of our allies?

                and whats wrong with freedom?
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              • Author by jmille426471 (October 06, 2009 1:59 pm ET)
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                The only people pushing a radical agenda are the repukes with their psycotic foreign policy, their dismantling of the regulatory system, their anti-tax zealotry, their aversion to human rights and their attempts to unite religion and the state.

                Gosh, republicans are like the people in the mental institution who think everyone else is insane for not recognizing the alien conspiracy.
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                • Author by puppienrainbows (October 06, 2009 5:28 pm ET)
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                  "Aversion to human rights"? Nancy Pelosi was in China and completely disregarded China's track record of violating human rights and you have the audacity to suggest 'repukes', as you put it, have an aversion to human rights? "Anti-tax zealotry"? I'll go along with that one. Like the old saying goes, democrats never met a tax they didn't like!
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                  • Author by bintx (October 06, 2009 5:34 pm ET)
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                    Who sold this country to China, puppies? The phony conservatives in the Republican party. As for taxes, taxes are the price for living in a civilized society. Without taxes, you have no police, no firefighters, no military, no highway system . . . do you want to get up all those things?
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                    • Author by puppienrainbows (October 06, 2009 5:41 pm ET)
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                      Bill Clinton sold this country to China. As for taxes, there's a fine line between proper taxation and excess taxation. Ask the folks in California and New York how they like the way their state's representatives have expanded the tax base. AND, as taxes go up, businesses fail or move out of that state.
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                  • Author by jmille426471 (October 07, 2009 4:27 am ET)
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                    Pup, didn't you defend the same technique (waterboarding) that got several American officers court-martialled during the Phillipine insurrection, and that was called torture when when it was done to our soldiers in WWII and Vietnam? I believe you compared it to "splashing water on my face and calling me names". And aren't you a supporter of efforts to bury the 100+ deaths and thousands of torture victims in our secret prisons? "Look forward not backward" as they say. While the dems have been models of cowardice on this issue, and I give most of them no credit whatsoever, republicans, as always, have been models of depravity.

                    That's what I mean when I say "aversion to human rights". Furthermore, how many republicans have taken a brave stand against China's human rights abuses? I know of noone in the last administration who did. Mr. Murdoch, who has major business ties with China, seems to have by and large muzzled criticism of China on the right. And if you recall, the last adminsistration was not particularly keen on attacking Uncle Vlad's numerous abuses.

                    It's one thing to lecture other countries about their shoddy human rights records. Its another thing entirely to not look over the human rights abuses of our "buddies", such as Ethiopia, Georgia, Columbia etc. And it is still another to take an honest look at our own abuses. This is where Repubs fall short, I'm afraid.
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              • Author by bintx (October 06, 2009 2:17 pm ET)
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                Talking points, puppies. That's all you have?

                No radical agenda there and virtually no truth . . . you are just parroting what the folks who are being PAID to trash the president are saying.
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              • Author by bintx (October 06, 2009 2:17 pm ET)
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                Talking points, puppies. That's all you have?

                No radical agenda there and virtually no truth . . . you are just parroting what the folks who are being PAID to trash the president are saying.
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                • Author by puppienrainbows (October 06, 2009 5:35 pm ET)
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                  I've noticed the new, lackluster retort from liberals is "those are just talking points, man, can't you think for yourself". Or "you're just parroting (insert name of right-wing talk-show host here)". Or "you're just a bigot who hates black people". Nothing new for months now. Liberals don't have to argue or present a point. Take the lead from mmfa and when someone posts something 'unthinkable', it's A) talking points B) parroting C) hates black people
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                  • Author by foghornleghorn (October 06, 2009 6:16 pm ET)
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                    I've noticed how you failed to rebut princeofwheels rebuttal.

                    And please stop whining about being called out on forwarding talking points and parrotting nutjob lies disguised as arguments.

                    And about bigotry - not all Republicans are racists, but most racists are Republicans.
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                    • Author by srichardson (October 06, 2009 7:05 pm ET)
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                      I like that Foghorn! If you are a racist, you probably are a Republican. Believe me, where I'm from that statement fits to a T! I work with repubs who honestly believe we should put all Middle Eastern people (American's or not) into concentration camps until the war on terror ends. These same people claim to be christians as well. I just told them they need to read their bibles a little more closely! They are definitely missing something and I think it's a heart.
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                      • Author by fairliberal (October 06, 2009 9:38 pm ET)
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                        And what percentage of the people you know are like that? It is a significant % or just a few jerks?

                        But when someone makes a mistake like including O'Reilly as one who opposed the efforts to get the olympics for Chicago, they say nothing. Very typical.
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                        • Author by foghornleghorn (October 07, 2009 6:35 pm ET)
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                          A sizable percentage of Republicans don't believe Obama is a US citizen.

                          'Nuff said. Republicans are the party of racists. Polling proves it time after time.
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              • Author by bintx (October 06, 2009 2:20 pm ET)
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                Czechoslovakia has not been a country since 1992. Where are you getting your "facts"? Posting phony talking points without researching them properly just makes you look foolish.
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                • Author by puppienrainbows (October 06, 2009 6:00 pm ET)
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                  Is it the Czech Republic, blinx? What an awful mistake I made. So Sorry.
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              • Author by NiceguyEddie (October 06, 2009 4:04 pm ET)
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                And WHAT do ANY of those have to do with RACE?

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              • Author by mikehuck1976 (October 06, 2009 4:24 pm ET)
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                Wow, puffinrainbows, you have really outdone yourself this time.

                A - Nothing radical about the debt. Unless you consider Reagan radical. Is he a radical to you? Then this one is nonsense.

                B - This is important. You believe we should deny care to those who cannot afford it? Have the courage of your convictions and at least say it. Either we socialize costs (which we already do, just at the highest rate possible) or we deny care. Which idea do you believe is radical, healthcare for all or denying healthcare to your fellow citizens?

                C - This is also important, the Republican party is now offically against diplomacy. I find it remarkable. It also an example of the anti-intellectualism on the right today. Diplomacy is bad and tough talk is good. We should be the bullies of the world. Great plan. How did that work out for G-Dub? And Czechoslovakia? WHAT?

                D - What in the world are you even talking about here? What are we re-shaping? Is this a shot at Palin and Joe the Plumber's "redistribution of wealth" nonsense? If it is, then I can only assume you are against a progressive tax system. If you need a lesson to explain to you the importance of a progressive tax system, I suggest you read a little Teddy Roosevelt.

                And, finally, Czechoslovakia? Are you f-ing kidding me?!
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            • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (October 06, 2009 4:43 pm ET)
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              I always enjoy it when people here are discussing the BS propaganda that the right wing is promoting, and one of the zombies like puppy pops in to explain the propaganda, as if the people who understand it need to catch up. It's precious.
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              • Author by mjh (October 06, 2009 7:41 pm ET)
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                "I always enjoy it when people here are discussing the BS propaganda that the right wing is promoting, and one of the zombies like puppy pops in to explain the propaganda, as if the people who understand it need to catch up. It's precious.


                . . . and hilarious.

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          • Author by Renesme (October 06, 2009 12:17 pm ET)
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            All the other nations bidding for their country to host the Olympics had their Leaders in Coppenhagen as well. Wasn't just Obama. Last year Bush was singing the praises of Chicago, and the importance of our country hosting the Olympics. When Bush was at a press conference with those from Chicago pushing for the 2016 gig where was the partisan divide? The Olympic bid was an American thing, not a Democratic or Repulican thing. What's wrong with you that you can't see that?
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            • Author by puppienrainbows (October 06, 2009 5:44 pm ET)
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              When was G.W. in Copenhagen?
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              • Author by Renesme (October 06, 2009 6:10 pm ET)
                   
                My point wasn't to say that Bush went to Coppenhagen and I didn't make that declaration. Last year when those in charge of bringing the olympics to Chicago and the Olympics Committee held their press conference, Bush was there. He extold the fortunance hosting the olympics would bring to not just Chicago but also the Nation. What I did say about Coppenhagen was that all the other nations hoping to be picked to host the games sent their leaders to champion their cause as well.

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_pYLKHNReU
                You can forward the video 1:48
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          • Author by princeofwheels (October 06, 2009 12:18 pm ET)
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            And who told you this.

            And why do you want Obama to fail? Because you disagree with the policies accepted by over 69 million Americans.

            Just because you have tagged them "radical policies", sorry, just because the Cons, the losers, have called them radical don't necessarily make them wrong.
            If you can't accept CHANGE, then just hustle and get the vote out. Do not try to create a ConWorld where everything your President does it wrong.

            By reading your post, you show what the losers of the last election have become good at doing..being able to read the future without any insight. And their logic is as well developed as the answers you get from a Magic-8 Ball.
            The Republicans and their leeches, the NeoCons, keep insisting that Obama owes the Chicago connection something. That would be like me saying that Bush owed big business the opportunity to drain America of its riches and give it to the wealthy. Now you could possible disagree with that, couldn't you?

            Escape the cold dark world of the Cons and open your eyes, everything isn't a conspiracy. Not even the people following you or your phone being tapped or the posters here just out to get Republicons. This is the REAL world and the Dems are running the show. Don't worry, this country survived Carter, Reagan, 2 Bushes and a Clinton. It'll survive again so quit being AFRAID. You'll mess yourself my fine puppity-friend.
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          • Author by dseann (October 06, 2009 12:27 pm ET)
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            You realize Obama didn't choose Chicago for the olympic bid, right? George W. Bush was responsible for selecting Chicago as the location for a possible 2016 Olympics near the end of his second term.
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          • Author by bintx (October 06, 2009 12:34 pm ET)
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            Obama has not proposed ANY radical policies, puppies. Whose made up crap are you parroting today? You do realize, right, that Obama was ASKED to go to Copenhagen by the mayor of Chicago, right? He was asked ONLY when it appeared that Chicago was going to be a tougher sell than originally thought. Every other country in the final four had a head of state in appearance. It was believed by the MAYOR that Obama should be there. Also, if you saw Dick Ebersol on television this morning, you would know that it was pretty much an effort in futility from the get go. There were many reasons why the bid failed, but Obama's appearance there wasn't one of them.

            BTW, if Obama fails . . . the country fails. Is that what you and the rest of the idiots who are listening to the crap on Fox and hate talk radio want?
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            • Author by puppienrainbows (October 06, 2009 1:09 pm ET)
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              Carter failed miserably and the country survived. Most Americans despised Carter, especially the people who worked with him and the country survived. So, saying "if Obama fails, the country fails" doesn't hold water. If Obama fails, which I hope he does, the country will survive and learn a difficult lesson. The lesson is: DON'T ELECT AN INEXPERIENCED PRESIDENT BECAUSE OF AN OVERZEALOUS HATRED FOR THE PREVIOUS PRESIDENT! We have an abundance of underachieving democrats in congress because of an 'overcorrection' by American voters. We have an 'experiment' in the whitehouse because of this same overcorrection.
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              • Author by princeofwheels (October 06, 2009 1:18 pm ET)
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                "DON'T ELECT AN INEXPERIENCED PRESIDENT BECAUSE OF AN OVERZEALOUS HATRED FOR THE PREVIOUS PRESIDENT!"

                Not the previous President, it was the 2006-2008 class of Republicans that did nothing..don't just blame Bush, which is the newest fad for the Cons..

                If you want to win the election.."DON'T NOMINATE AN OLD CLUNKER AND AN IDIOT FROM ALASKA TO CARRY YOUR WATER". Of course, no Republican or Cons will admit they did this..it was by sheer magic that McCain and Death Palin were nominated.
                An underachieving democrat is light years ahead of an advanced Republican. When you can only vote NO why do you need any brains?
                Give the Dems credit..they don't all agree with everything their own puts out. Name me 4 Republicans willing to vote outside they teacup.
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              • Author by mjh (October 06, 2009 1:18 pm ET)
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                "Carter failed miserably and the country survived. Most Americans despised Carter, especially the people who worked with him and the country survived."


                According to WHO, puppy? The voices in your head talking to you again?

                "The lesson is: DON'T ELECT AN INEXPERIENCED PRESIDENT BECAUSE OF AN OVERZEALOUS HATRED FOR THE PREVIOUS PRESIDENT!"


                Soo -- just WHY did the GOP push Sarah Palin, again?

                FAIL again, pup . . .
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                • Author by puppienrainbows (October 06, 2009 1:30 pm ET)
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                  It's common knowledge Carter was a miserable SOB.
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                  • Author by jmille426471 (October 06, 2009 1:51 pm ET)
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                    You can't "know" something that is completely a matter of opinion. Anyways, do you think your unsupported assertions are persuading anyone?
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                  • Author by bintx (October 06, 2009 2:29 pm ET)
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                    Actually, you are incorrect. Were you alive when Carter was President? I was. You're wrong.

                    You LOST, puppies, that's all. There is no "radical agenda." You just LOST and the reason is because people were sick of the status quo. That's what elections are FOR . . . . YOU LOST. Accept it and let go of the unreasonable and totally illogical hatred.
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                    • Author by puppienrainbows (October 06, 2009 6:10 pm ET)
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                      Yep, I voted for Reagan in '80 after 4 years of misery with Jimmy and Billy and their mom. AND, how are those promises from Obama working out for you? Not too good would be my guess. 125,000 troops still in Iraq. Unemployment rate STILL going up. American casualties in Afghanistan skyrocketing. Iran thumbing it's nose at Obama and testing long range missiles. Healthcare bill to be signed before the end of August. Promises NOT kept, NO hope and NO change. I wish Hillary were POTUS!('cuz she's white)
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                      • Author by foghornleghorn (October 06, 2009 6:18 pm ET)
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                        Yeah, because Obama is the messiah and can get everything done all by his lonesome.

                        Grow up. Read more. Learn.
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                      • Author by blk-in-alabam (October 07, 2009 3:05 am ET)
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                        People were working when Carter was in office.Millions of people were put out of work,because of Reagan Adminstration policies,and their encouraging companies to take millions of jobs out of the USA
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                      • Author by mizani7 (October 07, 2009 10:26 am ET)
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                        It's absolutely HILARIOUS when people rail against all the radical changes that President Obama is bringing to the country in one breath, then claim he hasn't changed ANYTHING in the next.

                        I wonder how you handle that level of cognitave dissonance. How can you hold these two beliefs in your head at once? Do you get a lot of headaches?
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                  • Author by mjh (October 06, 2009 2:45 pm ET)
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                    "It's common knowledge Carter was a miserable SOB."


                    The above sounds like OPINION -- OPINION is NOT "common knowledge" . . . no matter HOW many voices in your head tell you that, pup . . .

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                    • Author by foghornleghorn (October 06, 2009 3:06 pm ET)
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                      Miserable SOB? You need to read up on President Carter. He was probably the MOST moral and least corrupt president this country has ever had.
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                      • Author by jeter2 (October 06, 2009 3:21 pm ET)
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                        I don't think he was the most effective Prez, but I gotta agree he was indeed one of the most moral and least corrupt presidents this country ever had.
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                      • Author by puppienrainbows (October 06, 2009 5:53 pm ET)
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                        I never said Carter was immoral or corrupt. Where the heck did you get that? I said Carter was a miserable (look it up) SOB. Its common knowledge(ask Chris Mathews) he was impossible to work with and never happy(hence the term miserable). He berated people in public and rarely complimented others(hence SOB).
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                        • Author by foghornleghorn (October 06, 2009 6:21 pm ET)
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                          As usualy, no links to your "common knowledge". It may be common in the nutjob universe, but not here in reality.

                          You have no idea what you're talking about. Carter is a man of faith. A navy veteran. A man of peace.

                          Dismissed.
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                  • Author by mikehuck1976 (October 06, 2009 4:27 pm ET)
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                    Is that what you were told by Czechoslavakia?
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              • Author by srichardson (October 06, 2009 2:02 pm ET)
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                This is ridiculous. You guys lost the election and you can't handle it so you make up this asinine argument that the country made a mistake. This president is still popular despite what you people want the world to believe. Healthcare is not going to be socialized but you choose to listen to the right wing talking heads rather than finding information for yourself. Eighty percent of American's want healthcare reform. WE DIDN'T MAKE A MISTAKE! WE STILL SUPPORT OBAMA. GET A CLUE. YOU LOST THE ELECTION and it's time you people started supporting your country instead of rooting for failure. That's so ignorant to say you want our President to fail. Grow up!
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              • Author by bintx (October 06, 2009 2:27 pm ET)
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                Did you vote for GWB? If so, you voted for an INEXPERIENCED [and INCOMPETENT] PRESIDENT BECAUSE OF AN OVERZEALOUS HATRED FOR THE PREVIOUS PRESIDENT!

                Personally, I voted for Obama because I refused to vote for John McCain after he chose and INEXPERIENCED AND INCOMPETENT loon for his vice president . . . I would have possibly voted for McCain, but once he chose Caribou Barbie . . . no chance. I was a McCain supporter in 2000, puppies . . . guess why? Because I didn't want to vote for an INEXPERIENCED AND INCOMPETENT candidate for President.

                You have NO idea what you are talking about, puppies. Just parroting something you heard on Fox or on hate talk radio doesn't mean you are informed, in fact, it's more likely that you are extremely UNINFORMED.

                BTW, you are aware that Obama's PROPOSED budget is, in reality, less than Bush's 2008 budget when you add in the cost of Iraq and Afghanistan. See, Bush paid for those little expenditures OFF budget so that his already outrageous budget wouldn't look so big. Inform yourself, puppies, before you start hating.

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              • Author by DellDolly (October 06, 2009 2:53 pm ET)
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                The country will fail if Obama fails - that doesn't mean that the country will go under. What an ignorant thing to say. When you failed classes in school, did you stop existing as a person? Of course not.

                WHen you say that you want Obama's policies to fail, that's equivalent to saying that you want America to fail. There's no argument you can make that refutes that.
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              • Author by Boxer1979 (October 06, 2009 5:19 pm ET)
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                The last administration was led also by an inexperienced President. Look what this country is in right now. Could go further and say that after Carter that the country elected out of hatred and look at the policies that he and his administration passed. Those policies is still hurting this country! Man puppy do so research!
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          • Author by New Frontier (October 06, 2009 12:54 pm ET)
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            It's Obama we want to see fail, not America

            Cutting off your nose to spite your face. The old expression fits.
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            • Author by puppienrainbows (October 06, 2009 1:14 pm ET)
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              That doesn't make sense. When Obama fails, we elect a new president who might just listen to the American people and use his/her presidency to do the will of the people instead of a 'personal world view'.
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              • Author by PurpleState (October 06, 2009 1:24 pm ET)
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                Such as...?
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                • Author by Victor Colorado (October 06, 2009 1:31 pm ET)
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                  Exactly. The GOP has NOTHING to offer. Puppien has the audacity to pretend the American voters made a mistake in not voting for the GOP. Just plain laughable.
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                  • Author by puppienrainbows (October 06, 2009 1:38 pm ET)
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                    I never said McCain/Palin was a better pick than Obama. I just said Obama was a poor choice for POTUS. I can't speak for anyone but myself but I honostly believe Hillary would have been a much better POTUS than Obama or McCain.(that hurt)
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                    • Author by Victor Colorado (October 06, 2009 1:47 pm ET)
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                      You call President Obama an "experiment" and the result of an "overcorrection" on the part of American voters. And you do this without a candidate of your own. Do you mind me asking who you voted for?
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                      • Author by Victor Colorado (October 06, 2009 1:57 pm ET)
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                        PS:

                        Hillary would have been a much better POTUS than Obama or McCain.(that hurt)


                        That should hurt, Puppien. Those "radical policies" that you pretend to see in Obama just got BLOWN OUT OF THE WATER.
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              • Author by New Frontier (October 06, 2009 1:34 pm ET)
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                When Obama fails, we elect a new president who might just listen to the American people and use his/her presidency to do the will of the people


                Silly me, I thought that's what the President was doing by trying to bring the Olympics to America.
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                • Author by princeofwheels (October 06, 2009 2:50 pm ET)
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                  NEW Frontier, only in the world of reality. Silly you.

                  The ConWorld is a dark, cold, angry place. In this place, one cannot see, hear or express anything without the guiding light....the Fox Channel..they just follow the small dim light called Fox.
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              • Author by bintx (October 06, 2009 2:35 pm ET)
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                Puppies, the "will of the people" was shown in November 2008. The "will of the people" [a rather substantial majority] was that they wanted Obama to be president instead of McCain. What you are proposing is anarchy.

                You LOST, puppies, that's all. You LOST. Actually, if Obama fails, our country fails. We lost serious financial ground and diplomatic ground under GWB. Our standing in the world took a HUGE hit. It's going to take serious diplomatic efforts to get us back on track.

                Research what you post.

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                • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (October 06, 2009 5:02 pm ET)
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                  You LOST, puppies, that's all. You LOST


                  To be fair,bintx, puppy only lost in the sense that his paranoia and blood pressure will increase in the short term.

                  While he was busy falling in love with Sarah Palin's coquettish winking and folksy charms, the Americans who were paying attention elected a president who is most likely going to be better for Puppy than the continued GOP occupation of the White House that he wanted.

                  Republicans seem to be gluttons for punishment,but it's good to put them on a diet once in a while, no matter how cranky it makes them.
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          • Author by pete592 (October 06, 2009 12:54 pm ET)
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            "It is that 'lobbying' for Chicago and all that is Michelle and the Oprah that gave the impression that this was a personal objective,"

            But it wasn't personal for Bush...

            "They say that the Olympics will come to Chicago if we're fortunate enough to be selected, but really it's coming to America, and I can't think of a better city to represent the United States than Chicago. "
            [http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2008/01/images/20080107-3_p010708jb-0471-515h.jpg]

            Wow, pictured next to no less than two of Obama's "cronies".

            Next time, try giving us a plausible reason for rooting against Obama.
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          • Author by mjh (October 06, 2009 1:02 pm ET)
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            "It's Obama we want to see fail, not America. It's the radical policies Obama is pushing, not the color of his skin. His trip to Copenhagen BEHIND Michelle and the Oprah had the appearance of pandoring for Chicago rather than America . . . Obama's trip to Copenhagen was NOT a cheer for America, it was a cheer for Obama, Michelle and the Oprah and Chicago, not America and Americans." - puppychasingitstail


            Hm -- "the appearance of pandoring for Chicago rather than America" . . . well, last time I checked, Chicago was part of America.

            " . . . it was a cheer for Obama, Michelle and the Oprah and Chicago, not America and Americans" . . . and, the last time I checked, Oprah, Michelle, and Obama {despite the afterBrithers' claims to the contrary} were Americans.

            And pup, I guess that can only mean that Dumbya's support of that SAME olympic bid wasn't a "cheer for America," either . . .



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            • Author by puppienrainbows (October 06, 2009 1:27 pm ET)
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              I guess I'll try to be a little more clear, just for you. The speech Michelle Obama gave to the IOC was a speech about her dead father and he would have loved to see the Olympics come to Chicago(little or no mention of America). Obama's speech to the IOC was more of the same. It began with rhetoric of Obama being elected POTUS the previous year and how he had 'adopted' the city of Chicago after marrying Michelle(little or no mention of America). The city of Chicago is renowned for governmental corruption, probably more so than any city in America. Kickbacks to city, county and state officials is a way of life in Illinois, so when the mention of 'payback' to the city of Chicago is brought up, is there any wonder that Obama is or was using his presidency to 'reward' his 'adopted' city and the Oprah for her undying support? There shouldn't be!
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              • Author by pete592 (October 06, 2009 1:32 pm ET)
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                Too bad Bush couldn't think of a better city than Chicago.

                Maybe he should have thrown his weight behind another U.S. City.
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              • Author by political_left-religious_right (October 06, 2009 2:12 pm ET)
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                Chicago(little or no mention of America)

                Goodness, Puppy, do you think that the Obamas were talking about some other Chicago (the one in France, perhaps)?

                If someone is from Chicago, his home address finishes with the city, state, and ZIP. There's no need to tack "USA" or "America" on the end, any more than you have to add "North America," "Western Hemisphere," "Earth" (or wherever wingnuts come from), "Solar System," "Milky Way," etc.

                In other words, talking about Chicago is enough. Your point is weaker than watery skim milk.
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                • Author by princeofwheels (October 06, 2009 2:54 pm ET)
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                  Don't give htese wackos' any ideas..Hannity will probably expect all of this information to verify medical status..Remember, there is no mention of those Men from Mars not being entitled to HealthCare. It is not in the bill..so if they come to America, they get health care.
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              • Author by bintx (October 06, 2009 2:37 pm ET)
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                Wow, you really do need to turn off hate talk radio and Fox. You are a very sad individual.
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              • Author by mjh (October 06, 2009 2:53 pm ET)
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                "I guess I'll try to be a little more clear, just for you. The speech Michelle Obama gave to the IOC was a speech about her dead father and he would have loved to see the Olympics come to Chicago(little or no mention of America). Obama's speech to the IOC was more of the same. It began with rhetoric of Obama being elected POTUS the previous year and how he had 'adopted' the city of Chicago after marrying Michelle(little or no mention of America)."


                Well, let me try and be a little more clear, just for you, pup.

                Chicago is a city in ILLINOIS.

                Illinois is a STATE in the UNITED STATES.

                Thus, by mentioning the city of Chicago, which was the ONLY US city in the running, they were by extension mentioning AMERICA.


                Apparently, geography isn't a strong suit of wingnuts any more than basic mathematics is . . .



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              • Author by New Frontier (October 06, 2009 2:53 pm ET)
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                little or no mention of America.... Obama's speech to the IOC was more of the same.


                Excerpts of the speeches from the President and First Lady in which there were "little or no" mentions of "America":

                That's why I'm here today. I'm asking you to choose Chicago. I'm asking you to choose America. ... I am dreaming of an Olympic and Paralympic Games in Chicago that will light up lives in neighborhoods all across America. ... It's about our responsibility as Americans not just to put on great Games. ... That's not just the American Dream. That is the Olympic spirit. That's not just the American Dream. That is the Olympic spirit. ... That's why we see so much of ourselves in these Games. That's why we want them in Chicago. That's why we want them in America. ... And so I urge you to choose Chicago. I urge you to choose America. And if you do, if we walk this path together, then I promise you this: The city of Chicago and the United States of America will make the world proud.
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                • Author by bintx (October 06, 2009 3:48 pm ET)
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                  Every do word clouds of Obama's speeches? Pretty fascinating which words are said more often by Mr. Obama.
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                • Author by political_left-religious_right (October 07, 2009 9:19 am ET)
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                  Thanks, NF!

                  My response to Puppy was based on the assumption that his statement was actually correct. You have proven that not only was his logic poor, so were his facts.

                  Any neocons out there willing to take up Puppy's banner now? Or will you agree that his is a lost cause?
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              • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (October 06, 2009 5:16 pm ET)
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                puppy, check out the crime rate in RIO, It's worse than CHICAGO.
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          • Author by DellDolly (October 06, 2009 2:48 pm ET)
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            If Obama's policies fail, then America will fail, since he's our President.

            It's not our fault that you're so blind that you can't see/admit that wanting Obama to fail is equivalent to wanting America to fail.
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          • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (October 06, 2009 5:04 pm ET)
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            puppinrainbows, you dont know what your talking about. all you are doing is throwig out the same old , tired, FAR RIGHT WING talking points that RUSH and company spew out. Do some rescearch, check your facts,and grow up.
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        • Author by papa bear3 (October 06, 2009 12:09 pm ET)
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          remember black is the "handle" for them to gain leverage, just as
          Jew was for the Nazis in the 1930's. They are feeding off a sentiment that exists whether we want to believe it or not.

          all the power comes from the suggestion and how "suggestible" the listener is...
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        • Author by pete592 (October 06, 2009 12:58 pm ET)
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          "They were cheering against Obama. Just like they would have cheered against Bill Clinton, a big ole White boy last I checked. They would have cheered against Carter."


          Did they cheer against Bush? He's a big ole white boy last I checked...

          President Bush Meets with Chicago 2016 Bid Committee and United States Olympic Committee Members
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          • Author by jeter2 (October 06, 2009 1:03 pm ET)
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            Why would Republicans cheer against Bush?

            I pointed out Republicans cheer against Democratic Presidents. No matter their color.

            Seems like you missed my point there Pete.

            Should I give ya a big "Duh!" or would you prefer to give that to yourself?
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            • Author by pete592 (October 06, 2009 1:24 pm ET)
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              I didn't miss your point, I was making my own.

              Right wingers are hypocrites, every one of them.
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              • Author by jeter2 (October 06, 2009 1:56 pm ET)
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                And your point was?

                Sorry Pete you had no point you just made no sense.

                I wrote the Right cheered against Obama just as they would any Democratic President. Race had nada to do with it. I used Bill Clinton as an example. The Right was harder on him than Obama. Clinton is White.

                You're just doing what typical Left-wing moonbats do. Trying to change the subject when you can't refute a point.
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                • Author by srichardson (October 06, 2009 2:10 pm ET)
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                  I agree that it wouldn't matter who the President is, if he's a democrat they would boo him. But just think a second, do you honestly believe there is no racism whatsoever involved? I live in the south and I know that people here HATE having a black president. They voted against him simply because he was black. I know democrats who voted republican or who didn't vote at all rather than vote for the first black president. There is still a heavy dose of racism in these arguments. Not all of it, I know the more "intelligent" of the right wing probably honestly disagree with his policies. But the deep south, yeah, there's a little racism there.
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                  • Author by jeter2 (October 06, 2009 3:35 pm ET)
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                    In this particular case involving the Olympics, & the Right cheering against Obama, I would be more inclined to believe it's politics. And that they [the Right] would have cheered against Clinton as well.

                    There were several posts at the top of this thread that blamed it on purely racism. I was simply pointing out that they would have cheered against Clinton, a White man.

                    Of course racism still exists in this country, & not just in the South. But always assuming that anyone who disagrees with Obama, or even cheers against him is doing so based solely on race is, IMO, a tad ridiculous.
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                    • Author by srichardson (October 06, 2009 7:21 pm ET)
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                      I have to disagree. The whole Olympic fiasco is a ridiculous argument. I'm not saying that it's racist, I'm just saying it's stupid. I don't think anyone would of said anything if it were Clinton. Racism or no racism, the radical right is INTENT on bringing Obama down at any cost, even if what they say and do is detrimental to our country. And I honestly think that the right has grabbed on to the calls of racism from some of those on the left and is beating it into the dirt to make it look like we think ANYTIME someone disagrees with Obama they are racist. I seriously doubt ANYONE on this blog or ANYONE on the left believes that racism is an issue every time someone disagrees with the prez. The issue, unfortunately for our great country, is pure HATRED.
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                  • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (October 06, 2009 5:24 pm ET)
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                    SIRRICHARD,I live in the south and agree with you .There is a good deal of hatred for OBAMA here because of his race.
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                • Author by pete592 (October 06, 2009 2:18 pm ET)
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                  Bush took a plane ride to Chicago to push the Chicago bid.
                  Obama took a plane ride to Denmark to push the Chicago bid.

                  Bush hobnobbed with the committee members.
                  Obama hobnobbed with the committee members, but now they are "cronies".

                  When Bush pushed the Chicago bid, Chicago was an American city.
                  When Obama pushed the Chicago bid, Chicago was Chicago.

                  Right wingers are hypocrites, every one of them.
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                  • Author by jeter2 (October 06, 2009 3:03 pm ET)
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                    Huh?

                    Once again Pete what does this have to do with my original post? Or with the point I'm making that the Right cheering against Obama, or attacking him doesn't mean it has to do with his race. The Right also cheered against & attacked Clinton. A White man. This has to do with politics. Pure & simple.

                    Now if you wanna continue to try & change the subject, talk to yourself. I'm not interested in playing moonbat circle games with ya.
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                    • Author by pete592 (October 06, 2009 3:59 pm ET)
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                      And what was the subject again? Oh yeah, that's right, mocking the conservatives' reaction to Chicago's failed Olympics bid.
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                • Author by Victor Colorado (October 06, 2009 2:37 pm ET)
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                  You're just doing what typical Left-wing moonbats do. Trying to change the subject when you can't refute a point.


                  He's pointing out the rank hypocrisy of your political party and he's doing it without mentioning race. Seems ok to bring it back to race if you're the one bringing it back to race. Why is that?
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                  • Author by jeter2 (October 06, 2009 3:08 pm ET)
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                    Look at your comrade's posts at the start of this thread little guy. They brought up race. I was merely responding to it.

                    Ok Gov aka Victor? Was that easy enough for ya?
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                    • Author by Victor Colorado (October 06, 2009 3:15 pm ET)
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                      And when Pete spoke of rank hypocrisy and made no mention of race, you insisted upon injecting race back into your discussion with Pete - but it's OK when you do it, right?
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                      • Author by jeter2 (October 06, 2009 3:25 pm ET)
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                        Pete had no point. Nor would he address mine. He replied to my post, so you might think he'd stay on topic? I tried to bring him back to the original subject matter.

                        So simple even you should understand. But you won't.

                        Go take a nap.
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                        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (October 06, 2009 6:04 pm ET)
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                          Pete had no point.
                          Actually, he did. Admitting that it sailed right over your head doesn't make you look insightful, it just makes you look foolish.
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                        • Author by mjh (October 07, 2009 12:20 am ET)
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                          "Pete had no point. Nor would he address mine. He replied to my post, so you might think he'd stay on topic? I tried to bring him back to the original subject matter."


                          Um Jeter, he DID -- when he posted the following at 2:18 pm:

                          Bush took a plane ride to Chicago to push the Chicago bid.
                          Obama took a plane ride to Denmark to push the Chicago bid.

                          Bush hobnobbed with the committee members.
                          Obama hobnobbed with the committee members, but now they are "cronies".

                          When Bush pushed the Chicago bid, Chicago was an American city.
                          When Obama pushed the Chicago bid, Chicago was Chicago.

                          Right wingers are hypocrites, every one of them.


                          See? No mention of race.



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                • Author by pete592 (October 06, 2009 4:01 pm ET)
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                  Obama's political party is not the reason being given by those cheering the loss of the bid, which makes citing the fact that Obama's a Democrat every bit as speculative as citing the fact that he's black.
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            • Author by pete592 (October 06, 2009 2:33 pm ET)
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              Why would Republicans cheer against Bush?


              Because it's not about Obama's race, remember?

              They're not telling us that they're against the bid because Obama's a Democrat.

              They're telling us they're against the bid because of Obama's cronies, the same cronies that Bush stood along side when he pushed the Chicago bid. Funny how the cronies weren't worth the outrage back then.

              They're telling us they're against the bid because Chicago is riddle with crime. The same crime that Chicago had when Bush pushed the Chicago bid. Funny how the crime wasn't worth the outrage back then.

              For these reasons, I don't buy the political party excuse.
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              • Author by DellDolly (October 06, 2009 3:04 pm ET)
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                You nailed it, Pete.

                When we watched the Tea Parties, they claimed it wasn't about racism, but they didn't object with rallies across the nation when Bush waged a voluntary war with Iraq. They didn't rally against the tax cuts for the richest of the rich, or against the huge deficits that Bush was running up. They didn't rally against his keeping the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan off the books!

                And when Bush was pushing the Olympics in Chicago, they didn't raise the same objections they are now trying to claim as righteous objections.
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              • Author by jeter2 (October 06, 2009 3:17 pm ET)
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                Pete, the Right hated Clinton & tried to destroy his Presidency. They hate Obama & would love to destroy his Presidency.

                They can give a thousand reasons...but it comes down to partisan politics. It always does. No matter what excuses they might voice publicly.

                My point once again & for the final time to you....was that several posts at the start of this thread placed racism as the reason the Right cheered against Obama concerning the Olympics. I said that was BS. That they would have likely cheered against Clinton, a White man. I based this opinion on the Right's hatred Of Bill Clinton.
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                • Author by pete592 (October 06, 2009 4:06 pm ET)
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                  Your simply placing his political party as the reason, yet those who are cheering the loss of the bid in the media are not. They're substituting their reasons with "crime" and "cronyism", so the citing of his political party and his race are both speculation. My opinion is the latter, yours the former.
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          • Author by pete592 (October 06, 2009 1:30 pm ET)
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            Hillary Clinton went to Singapore to push New York's 2012 bid.

            She's a big ole white girl last I checked. Where was the outrage back then?
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            • Author by puppienrainbows (October 06, 2009 1:33 pm ET)
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              I guess I blacked out those four years Hillary was POTUS. <sarcasm>
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              • Author by Victor Colorado (October 06, 2009 1:36 pm ET)
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                We've already established that your blackout lasted 8 years.
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                • Author by puppienrainbows (October 06, 2009 1:40 pm ET)
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                  When did you establish that, Chris?
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                  • Author by Victor Colorado (October 06, 2009 2:33 pm ET)
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                    Since well before you accused Obama of "abandoning Czecoslovakia". [sic]
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                    • Author by bintx (October 06, 2009 4:45 pm ET)
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                      I think the blackout has lasted for about 17 years because there has been no country called "Czecoslovakia" or even Czechoslovakia since 1992.
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                  • Author by mikehuck1976 (October 06, 2009 4:52 pm ET)
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                    "When did you establish that, Chris?" - puffinrainbows

                    When did we establish that you blacked out for 8 years? How about when you wrote this:

                    "The lesson is: DON'T ELECT AN INEXPERIENCED PRESIDENT BECAUSE OF AN OVERZEALOUS HATRED FOR THE PREVIOUS PRESIDENT!" - puffinrainbows

                    And bintx had to explain this to you:

                    "Did you vote for GWB? If so, you voted for an INEXPERIENCED [and INCOMPETENT] PRESIDENT BECAUSE OF AN OVERZEALOUS HATRED FOR THE PREVIOUS PRESIDENT!

                    Personally, I voted for Obama because I refused to vote for John McCain after he chose an INEXPERIENCED AND INCOMPETENT loon for his vice president . . . I would have possibly voted for McCain, but once he chose Caribou Barbie . . . no chance. I was a McCain supporter in 2000, puppies . . . guess why? Because I didn't want to vote for an INEXPERIENCED AND INCOMPETENT candidate for President." - bintx
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              • Author by pete592 (October 06, 2009 2:07 pm ET)
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                So now being president is also a qualifier. I thought it was just being Democrat.
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        • Author by jmille426471 (October 06, 2009 1:47 pm ET)
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          Jeter, what do you think is behind the birth certificate rumours, which almost half the republicans believe? Do feel free to explain why the vast majority of birthers are concentrated in the deep south.

          While the right has indeed been unhinged for a long time, the attacks on Clinton and Carter were not at all focused on their backrounds. There is a reason for that. Do you even know who Clinton's parents and grandparents were? Why do you think that is? Was the paranoia Clinton ever channeled into theories that he was raised from birth as a secret Muslim?

          I'm not saying that all of the Obama derangement syndrome is race related, but it's clear enough to me that some of it is.
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          • Author by jeter2 (October 06, 2009 3:48 pm ET)
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            Hey Jmille, sorry I didn't notice your post till just now.

            The Right always looks for an opponents weakness [hell the Left does this too]. With Bill Clinton, it was his womanizing, draft dodging & a number of other things my almost 54 yr old mind can't think of this second ;-) And then they attack it.

            Now with Obama, they went looking for some weakness to go after. What they came up with was a bunch of nonsense. Like the questioning about his birth certificate & US citizenship. And Obama's "radical" acquaintances/friends. But they went with it anyway.

            Are there folks out there that only hate him cause he's Black? No doubt in my mind there is. But every time someone attacks Obama it isn't always about race. Sometimes it's just politics.
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            • Author by pilotshark (October 06, 2009 5:58 pm ET)
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              draft dodging

              Sorry no more a draft dodger then your ex VP right?


              there were call deferments while attending collage.


              but i bet you know this any ways.
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            • Author by jmille426471 (October 07, 2009 5:29 am ET)
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              Jeter, you have a point when you note that at times liberals have gone too far in attributing all criticism of Obama to racism. That said, the part of your original post that I had a problem with was the idea that because the hatred on the right of Clinton was similar in it's intensity, that the hatred must have the same roots. There are some key differences with the invective being thrown at Obama.

              I think you said it best, repubs are hitting Obama's weak spot, one of which is the exotic "otherness" of his backround, just like they used to attack Clinton for being fast with the ladies.
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        • Author by mjh (October 07, 2009 12:38 am ET)
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          "Come on, the Right hated Clinton as much if not more than they do Obama. Have you all forgotten? Or do ya just have selective memories when it's convenient & more fun to yell..It's cause Obama is Black!!"



          Well, Jeet -- the rightwingnuts may indeed have hated Clinton as much as they do Obama . . .

          . . . but, AFAIK, they never came with such inventive products for Clinton as these:


          [http://www.artofobama.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/obama-chimp-550x329.jpg]

          [http://dark-wraith.com/images/ObamaWaffles1.png]

          [http://binside.typepad.com/binside_tv/images/2008/05/14/obama_monkey_tshirt.jpg]

          [http://hisvorpal.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/obamamonkeee.jpg]




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    • Author by epkklk851 (October 06, 2009 9:24 am ET)
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      Yes, thank you for pointing that out Jon. I was in elementary school the first time I heard the phrase "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel." I always preferred the Ambrose Beirce version, he disagreed with Dr. Johnson and said it was the first refuge of the scoundrel. And then there is the quote attributed to Oscar Wilde in "The Rock," "Patriotism is a virtue of the vicious." I actually admire a great deal about my country, but I will admit to the flaws and mistakes, for that, I am frequently told (by Conservatives) that I hate America. Is it any wonder that I think of patriotism, scoundrels, and the vicious in the same sentence?
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      • Author by NiceguyEddie (October 06, 2009 10:30 am ET)
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        I THINK is was Lewis Black who said, and I'm paraphrasing...

        "Conservatives love their country the way a four-year old loves their mother. And anyone who says anything bad about 'Mommy' is therefore BAD. Liberals love their conuntry the way adults love each other: We recognize and accpet the flaws in one another, and work to make the relationship better, despite our mutual imperfrections."

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        Where is this wisdom from the right, huh Cons?
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        • Author by mercator (October 06, 2009 10:50 am ET)
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          It was Al Franken that said it, in "Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them".
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        • Author by epkklk851 (October 06, 2009 11:21 am ET)
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          Thanks, I really like that quote and it makes a lot of sense, too.
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        • Author by professor frink (October 06, 2009 11:21 am ET)
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          I'm pretty sure Al Franken wrote that. And I think it was in Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them.

          Though Franken wouldn't be the only person to make such an observation.
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        • Author by Handsome Pete (October 06, 2009 1:09 pm ET)
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          Actually, it was Al Franken.

          Excuse me, Senator Al Franken.
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        • Author by NiceguyEddie (October 06, 2009 4:02 pm ET)
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          YES! Franken! Thanks guys!

          (That explains why I couldn't find it in Wikiquote, anyway!)

          Here's the actual quotes:

          "If you listen to a lot of conservatives, they'll tell you that the difference between them and us is that conservatives love America and liberals hate America.... They don't get it. We love America just as much as they do. But in a different way. You see, they love America the way a 4-year-old loves her Mommy. Liberals love America like grown-ups. To a 4-year-old, everything Mommy does is wonderful and anyone who criticizes Mommy is bad. Grown-up love means actually understanding what you love, taking the good with the bad, and helping your loved one grow. Love takes attention and work and is the best thing in the world."

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          Thanks for the correction!
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          • Author by epkklk851 (October 06, 2009 4:45 pm ET)
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            I like the quote even better now. "Love takes attention and work and is the best thing in the world." It reminds me of that other saying-"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." Jefferson.
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    • Author by nerzog (October 06, 2009 9:25 am ET)
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      The irony here, or maybe the hypocrisy, is that, just a couple of years ago, Troglodytes like Limbaugh and Hanniterd were accusing the Democrats of wanting America to fail in Iraq just to embarrass Puddinhead George.

      I guess elections have a tendency to induce selective amnesia in the weak minded.
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    • Author by Victor Colorado (October 06, 2009 9:48 am ET)
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      Conservative's "Country First" mantra leaps into the misinformation column. I figured they'd at least hold on to the appearance of that one for a while.
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    • Author by blk-in-alabam (October 06, 2009 10:03 am ET)
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      Republican party campainge slogan,for 2010 "Yea f--k America"
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      • Author by princeofwheels (October 06, 2009 10:12 am ET)
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        "Yea f--k America, just like we did last time we won".
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      • Author by goesto11 (October 06, 2009 10:48 am ET)
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        Not quite.

        They wouldn't say "F*** America," they'd say "F*** Americans."

        There's a difference. They have all kinds of love for this vision of the Land of Liberty they cling to, but they're not particularly fond of the people who live here.

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        • Author by mary59 (October 06, 2009 10:57 am ET)
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          It's hard to know what the Hannity/Beck-like nutjobs like about America. Certainly not the Bill of Rights, except for the 2nd amendment.
          Not the rocks, trees, wildflowers, lovely valleys and rivers, except what they can mine, log, trample and pollute...
          Certainly not the working class folk they claim to represent, since they work for the oligarchs in all policy.

          Not for the poor, because they demonize them at every turn.

          What DO they like about America???
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    • Author by Don Quixote (October 06, 2009 11:03 am ET)
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      These hypocrites hate our first Black president more than they love their country.

      They'd rather see us disintegrate as a nation than see this man succeed. That's how blind their intense hatred has made them. They actually seem to want to see our country go down in flames.

      Maybe they see a "scorched earth" strategy as the only last resort to preserve their rapidly waning power. How else would you explain this self-destructive behavior?
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      • Author by goesto11 (October 06, 2009 12:22 pm ET)
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        I've been making this point since last November.

        What we're seeing from the Right is 10% politics and 90% racism.

        Clearly, many Americans were just not ready for a black president.
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    • Author by blueline99 (October 06, 2009 12:37 pm ET)
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      The big lie that the republicans and the right are saying now is that they don't dislike President Obama, they dislike his policies.

      The big lie is that they don't attack his policies, they attack him. And the Olympics was the latest attack, because bringing the Olympics to the US wasn't a Presient Obama policy... this process started years ago and we were fortunate to be among the 4 finalist.

      Yet, because President Obama supported it (something I believe any American President supports) the right created a campaign against and were openly rooting for him to fail.

      This wasn't a policy failure, this was a failure of the US getting the Olympics, yet they cheer because they can try to brand it as his failure.

      It's truly a sad state.
      Where does this end?

      Pretty soon they will openly celebrate and cheer everytime a company has a layoff or the DOW drops 100 points.

      I never supported the war, but I didn't cheer everytime an American soldier was killed, it made me sad. How sick have we become as a nation when the other side cheers.


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      • Author by Candy11 (October 06, 2009 1:45 pm ET)
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        I've been reading all the back and forth remarks and it makes me proud to be a Democratic because I believe we, Democrats, would never want to see America fail, no matter who is President. At the same time it makes me sad to see how much hatred there is for President Obama. In retrospect, those who cheered because we failed to get the Olympics here in Chicago actually cheered for the failure of the U.S.A. How unpatriotic and un-american is that?
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    • Author by jmariemo (October 06, 2009 2:12 pm ET)
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      "Conservatives hate Obama more than they love America." Great point as always, John.
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      • Author by srichardson (October 06, 2009 7:32 pm ET)
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        jmariemo - It is true, huh? Democrats love their country no matter who's in charge! I am a teacher and a mother and I always tried my best to show respect for Bush because he was our President. I disagreed with his politics and often debated with my students, parents, etc. but I always told them we have a moral obligation to be respectful to our President. It's even biblical to show the pres respect. The bible tells us that God chooses to place those who are in charge in the offices they are in and we should respect those people. Republicans REALLY need to do more than read the bible if they choose to label themselves Christians, they need to do what it says as well.
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    • Author by ny2nc (October 06, 2009 4:42 pm ET)
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      Would we all feel better if someone on the IOC had thrown their shoes at President Obama?

      OW! OW! Hey, you guys! Quit it out! Uncle!!!
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